ow when you say shorting time, is this after you've shown up on time or were shorted due to lateness? Have you ever been shorted for lateness? If so, how did you handle it.
What does it take for you to block/ stop dealing with friends and prospective friends? How do you go about cutting off the relationship? Ever had a problem in doing so?
For me, its a few things such as excessive lateness, disregard for hours of operation, red flags, poor attitudes, rate negotiatiors and signs of poor health. I often use my blocking app and say nothing, or if the relationship is deep enough I have been known to give them a reason
Lately, it's been more a shortage of moolah, but beyond that, assuming I could see anyone I wanted...
Starting from low level to higher misdemeanors:
1. Indifferent service
2. Shorting time
3. BSC-ness
4, NCNS
5. Insulting friends of mine
6. Putting up such a loud ruckus that police were called
7. Blackmail
Of course there are other things like they moved away or retired, but those are different
ow when you say shorting time, is this after you've shown up on time or were shorted due to lateness? Have you ever been shorted for lateness? If so, how did you handle it.
I had to drive to NYC from Massachusetts, and the traffic was bad, so i was 15 minutes late, though I called ahead and warned her, I lost 15 minutes due to that, which is her privilege to enforce as for all I knew, she had another appointment scheduled after me.
But, when I left her place, I checked my watch and saw that I had been had by the old "set the clock ahead" fifteen minute trick. That stuck in my craw
You've become a provider now?
just a very poor reader
The clue was in the headline, don't you think?
People ask for "only" the guys opinions all the time, that doesn't seem to stop the ladies from responding, nor should it.
Now quit being a BSU, the fact that BPJ is the one guy backing you up on this should be proof enough you've got this one wrong.
Funny but I don't recall asking your opinion or advice.
Go find something to do, might help you man up a bit, sport
I don't recall fishbro asking for your opinion or advice either.
It's a fucking discussion board, if you don't like what he (or I) has to say, please feel free to fuck off. "Man up" that's rich coming from a pussy like you.
Listen shit for brains, you might have enough time to troll these boards and reign supreme in this little microcosm but on your very best day you're not half the man I am.
Nor will you ever b
I am literally shaking in my boots as I type this.
By not "half the man" do you mean that at 170 lbs I am less than half your fat ass 350??? lmao
You're a fucking riot, please keep it up.
Naw, more like your drunken ass isn't man enough or smart enough to get out of your own way.
So just keep throwing down the booze and remain a legend in your own mind.
It's all you've got, sport.
It would still be a LOT more than you have going for you.
Okay, as fun as this is allowing you to look stupid, I will give you the last word before admin takes the decision out of our hands, but thanks for playing. After all without a piñata, what good is it having a stick?
Now please dazzle me with your final words on the subject.
Dude, funny you'd understand the piñata analogy but then again I'm not surprised.
You've kind of gone thru life as one, haven't you?
I came to a gun fight of minds but you've only got a knife so I'll spare you and move on to something interesting.
You can continue to waste your life, I've got better things to do with mine.
It's bright, sunny, high surf here in Newport Beach today.
Going to enjoy it
Adios, señor piñata.
When I get to perfect I'll give you a heads up.
And it came across as harsh but that wasn't the intent
i hope y ou know i was laughing with you, not at you. we all make mistakes and i was just bustin' yer chops.
still friends imo.
Blackmail is a felony and I would completely destroy the person that attempted it.
I'm not sure it would have legally counted. The gal was threatening to come down to my office and embarrass me.
I didn't think they'd have the cajones, and I was right
>Wife/gf sniffing around. I've had two instances of being contacted.
>Gossiping constantly about other girls and divulging secrets about them or trashing them while fishing for gossip (they are likely doing the same to me behind my back)
>Guilting me/berating me for not giving things I never promised (real name, pics, etc). Make me feel they will start hunting.
In these cases, I did give reasons for no longer seeing them, but the very most congenial version lol. It boils down to "We are not what each other needs right now."
I can totally wrap my head around those reasons. The gf/wife contact is a definite deal breaker. Also once I feel they start to cling or become too needy, I break contact. That can be scary
Beyoncé's "Sorry" perfectly sums up how I feel about cutting off shady clients who don't care about my dignity. It is very gracious of you to offer an explanation. Once it gets to that point for me, I have no cares about cutting someone off and I don't feel compelled to explain why as I have no free lessons to give and I feel they almost certainly know why deep down. At the top of my list is sexual coerciveness and disregard for my consent during a date. It's only come up here and there over the course of two years. In one case, I eventually found out that the individual is a serial assaulter, but his several dozen okays on a well respected verification site obscured that reality. As for folks that I haven't met who don't come correct and try to haggle with me, solicit explicit erotic content, etc. I just press ignore/delete and carry on.
I respect and agree with everything you've said.
I offer an excuse out of fear of internet retaliation, stalking and physical harm, not out of graciousness. As you know, rejection isn't an easy pill to swallow and can incur serious damage to a providers image if it's not received well.
Wow.
That's a really, really bad thing.
but showing up to an incall is just as creepy, just not quite as dangerous.
I know some ladies still believe working "from home" is a viable option. Ladies PLEASE reconsider, the dangers to doing so are just so great, it's just not worth risking life and limb, not to mention your sanity if you pick up the inevitable stalker, just to save a few bucks a month.
There is some real dangerous and fucked up people out there that screen well. It is best they never learn where you live. Please ladies It is not worth the risk to work at home. Bad things can happen.
Very bad idea for a provider to work out of her home. Now I have visited providers who work out of their homes, but I would never do it if I was a provider, and would never recommend it. If she can't afford an Incall location or hotel room then it's better to do outcall only (although that does come with a different set of risks).
1. When they email or text more than they book...there's absolutely NO reason to email me multiple times a week if you only see me once a month. I also don't need emails saying you're going to see me soon, and blah blah...it never happens. NEVER. Timewasting. Bye
2. If they get "comfortable" and expect me to bend my rules or lower my rates for them. Nope! Bye!
3. They try to put a "friend" label on it, become very nosey and want to hear all about my personal life or go out with me for free. No, my personal life is none of your business. I was hired, we are not friends.
4. They label my rates as "help"..."glad I could help." Hell no, you didn't help, I worked for it. I'm not some kind of charity. If you want to say you "helped" then you better leave a huge tip!
5. Drama. Talking about me to other providers or clients. You asked for discretion and I expect it right back in return.
6. Overstaying their welcome without proper funds. If you booked an hour when you know you should have booked 90 minutes, and you try to get me to stay 20 more minutes, then you better have the funds for it or I'm leaving. You had the hour to do what you needed to do, and if you didn't, that's not my problem...should have booked more time.
7. Asking me on a date. No. I am not interested in dating clients. Business is business. I provide the girlfriend experience. This industry is not the place to be looking for dates!!!
8. Disregarding my cancellation policy. This is the #1 deal breaker for me. If you cancel and choose to not pay the fee, it's done. I don't care if I've seen you 50 times. Ignoring the cancellation fee just says your money is worth more to you than my time. I could have been with my family or friends, and because I'm low volume, if you cancel, you can pretty much guarantee you fcked up my whole day. That's very disrespectful and I don't take that lightly. Shouldn't have booked at all if you didn't agree to it, and if you think you're above that, then I'm above seeing you. Don't bother trying to "re-book."
If someone does any of that, I will immediately stop seeing them and cut all ties. I'm not desperate, so I don't need to tolerate anyone that chooses to treat me like some fool that isn't human or doesn't have a life. I don't feel bad. They know what the rules are and how they should act.
At 24 you've got more leeway than some.
At 34 or 44 not as much.
And there's a saying in business that it's much easier to keep a customer than find a new one.
While your rules make sense I'd also suggest you jerk the chain on some guy before you cut him loose. Stand square and tell him he's screwing up and fix it or else.
And I'd also suggest you get lots of advice from some of the senior girls who make maturity look incredibly enticing.
Example? Here's one: when a guy says he's helping you out etc that usually means he's been seeing someone in the past who has used the "rent, car etc is due and I need some help" to get him to visit more often or just sucker him out of $$$
Thank you, makes sense. I haven't thought about the last part and now I will.
I appreciate you not jumping on the bullying bandwagon here. If more people conversed this way instead of going for low blows, this industry would run a lot more smoothly, and my site would look a lot different. lol.
At 34 or 44 not as much.
And there's a saying in business that it's much easier to keep a customer than find a new one.
While your rules make sense I'd also suggest you jerk the chain on some guy before you cut him loose. Stand square and tell him he's screwing up and fix it or else.
And I'd also suggest you get lots of advice from some of the senior girls who make maturity look incredibly enticing.
Example? Here's one: when a guy says he's helping you out etc that usually means he's been seeing someone in the past who has used the "rent, car etc is due and I need some help" to get him to visit more often or just sucker him out of $$$.
And he books an appointment but has to cancel for good reason, and with advance notice, you expect him to pay 100% of your fee as a cancellation fee, or you blacklist him? Gotta say that is the harshest cancellation fee I have ever seen. May I ask if you pay out a fee of 100% of your rate if you have to cancel?
I don't for the life of me remember if she if fat, thin, old, young, hot or homely. All I remember is reading off her lengthy list of rules, regulations and downright demands and thinking to myself "what a bitch"
Now it may or not be true that IRL or even her provider persona that she is actually a bitch, but I will admit that was the impression I came away with. An ad/website is suppose to show a woman in her best light in order to make us horny guys want to book with her, Her ads had the exact opposite effect on me.
But I guaranty she put herself on a lot of DNS lists with this post. Can you say Prima Donna?
Like you, I was turned off much higher in her list of demands, but I still read all the way down and when I reached the cancellation part, out of curiosity I decided to check her website to see what this cancellation policy actually was. Yikes!
Plus you'd need to send some cash so she can run a thorough credit report on you.
Not to mention you'll need to set her up on a letter of credit in the event you have to actually pay a cancellation fee.
I'm sure she has a checking account. Maybe.
Like you, I was turned off much higher in her list of demands, but I still read all the way down and when I reached the cancellation part, out of curiosity I decided to check her website to see what this cancellation policy actually was. Yikes!
Given how many guys here think that this is a dating service, and that the gals really are having no less than 10 Big O's during the first 30 minutes, I guess Miss Violet just crushed a few ego's here.
At least she didn't put out the bulletin of not cumming in her mouth unless they own a pineapple grove.
Now it may or not be true that IRL or even her provider persona that she is actually a bitch, but I will admit that was the impression I came away with. An ad/website is suppose to show a woman in her best light in order to make us horny guys want to book with her, Her ads had the exact opposite effect on me.
I'm glad I seem like a bitch. Means less bs, stealing, flakes,etc. Ever since I updated everything, I've had AMAZING business with guys who want the real deal...a provider that looks just like her pics, won't text you and beg you to see me because I need money, won't show up late, lie to you and work through my period(guess that happens a lot to you guys?) No, I'm real, honest, and professional. You guys have no idea the types of people that contact us, much less young blonde girls...so I had to "toughen up"...it was just getting to be too much. If people get offended by my site, then I'm glad I'm weeding through guys I wouldn't want to see. I'm an amazing provider and I love my job. My ads and my site are a reflection of the shit I dealt with and choose to no longer deal with. If guys treat me nicely, they get treated amazingly. I'm not a bitch,though, I just refuse to be taken advantage of, and learned from my mistakes.
Now it may or not be true that IRL or even her provider persona that she is actually a bitch, but I will admit that was the impression I came away with. An ad/website is suppose to show a woman in her best light in order to make us horny guys want to book with her, Her ads had the exact opposite effect on me.
Sorry, I wasn't being literal. I haven't heard of guys seeing the same escort 50 times. Just threw that number out there. With advance notice and good reason, sure. But I can honestly say that nobody has done that. NOBODY. It's all last minute cancelations, lies and double bookings or NCNS... And without the cancellation policy I have in place, I was being canceled on at LEAST 5-7 times a month. I'd rather be considered a bitch than have my time wasted.
There's a gal that I've been seeing since 2010. I haven't kept count of how many times I've seen her, but I can assure you it's closer to 200 than it is to 50.
You're certainly entitled to post whatever cancellation fee you want. But I'd be willing to place money on it that you'd never ever collect on one (unless it was mrfissure who'd feel compelled to pay it...maybe one or two others as well LOL). @Violet...how would you collect this cancellation fee? I'd love to know LOLOLOL
@GaG...can you post the odds for me?
Sorry, I wasn't being literal. I haven't heard of guys seeing the same escort 50 times. Just threw that number out there. With advance notice and good reason, sure. But I can honestly say that nobody has done that. NOBODY. It's all last minute cancelations, lies and double bookings or NCNS... And without the cancellation policy I have in place, I was being canceled on at LEAST 5-7 times a month. I'd rather be considered a bitch than have my time wasted.
I think it's sad that guys double or triple my age find it fun to bully girls on here. It's my business and I was replying to the OP. If people think I'm such a bitch with crazy "demands" then don't book me. There's thousands of beautiful girls and Im not begging anyone to see me...and still my business is better than its ever been. There are apps for that, and yes I have had people pay the fee, and usually when they are back in town I provide 2 hours instead of one so the fee cancels out. My policy is basically to get rid of timewasters...and it worked! So, I'm happy.
You're certainly entitled to post whatever cancellation fee you want. But I'd be willing to place money on it that you'd never ever collect on one (unless it was mrfissure who'd feel compelled to pay it...maybe one or two others as well LOL). @Violet...how would you collect this cancellation fee? I'd love to know LOLOLOL
@GaG...can you post the odds for me?
Sorry, I wasn't being literal. I haven't heard of guys seeing the same escort 50 times. Just threw that number out there. With advance notice and good reason, sure. But I can honestly say that nobody has done that. NOBODY. It's all last minute cancelations, lies and double bookings or NCNS... And without the cancellation policy I have in place, I was being canceled on at LEAST 5-7 times a month. I'd rather be considered a bitch than have my time wasted.
"Hahaha you dumb hooker, just try to collect a dime on a no call no show, a last minute bs cancellation, etc. You can't because you're involved in a legally murky business and as a female provider you have shockingly little recourse! Lol clients have all the money and you should sit back, smile, and be grateful we even glanced your way because you would be destitute if you lost us as customers!"
This actually isn't meant to be addressed to a specific poster on this thread, but more towards a general attitude. I get super, almost irrationally angry when I see (what I perceive as) people making light of the reality that providers have remarkably little recourse in most areas of their work. It's a shame and leaves providers vulnerable to many bad things, ranging from time wasting (takes its toll emotionally as its hardening) to physical harm.
While I have no doubt clients have dealt with their fair share of bs with providers, the sheer amount and level of bs providers deal with is astounding. I recently had a guy message me from bp saying he wanted me to meet him at his friends house. I responded (out of boredom I think) saying no thanks, my rape alarms are going off. You know what his response was? "Lol you're worrying about getting raped but you'll have sex for money? That's funny". Imagine hearing that kind of nonsense *all the time* and trying not to develop an attitude about it. Bet you can't.
Okay, rant/tangent/unleashing of my fury over. Thanks for reading.
And I honor my contacts I enter. But I can't see myself ever booking even if she was local. Her site makes her look bitter and angry, and I really don't want to pay to be with someone who is bitter and angry. There is nothing other than attractive photos on her sitem that would make me want to see her. She has two whole pages of rules and complaints. Two whole pages.
and I most certainly agree she comes off VERY angry and bitter, and most definitely NOT a person I would pay to spend time with, but I have to concede, a deal is a deal and I suppose I too would feel obligated to pay up. if I went into a session with her with my eyes wide open. At that point I would be my fault not hers if were unhappy once I got there.
That said I am completely unambiguous about her, I wouldn't see her on a bet with an attitude like the one she gives off.
Rules, yes. Complaints, no. I have a cancellation policy and I refuse to deal with drunks, guys offering me cocaine, or guys trying to get more time for nothing...Yeah, what a damn whiner I am! How dare I have any boundaries or expectations! Because no other provider has that, right? Wrong. I have to put things in bold and state them over and over and over again like a broken record. After years of dealing with flakes and "you avail" texts at 2 a.m. my site looks like it does for a reason. I have rules and I have standards. Hell, I can't even list my phone number anymore. You think anyone wants to write all that and hide their phone number as well because so many idiots can't read or control theirselves? Of course not. I'm not the only provider that does any of this, take a look at girls twitter. Guys need to be told to take a shower on our sites as well...You think anyone really wants this crap on their site? NO. But, it's necessary. I just don't sugarcoat anything and MOST men appreciate that. The last thing I am is bitter. I'm real.
but she had the good sense to post from behind an alias, and she at least was funny and fun to talk to. That is until she gave into the anger and bitterness too and all that was left of her was the MHB
I don't need to hide behind anything. A handful of guys on TER hate me. Big deal. Its not costing me any business, although you seem to think so. My site has looked this way for months and I'm doing great. My clients love me and I love making them happy. I love my job, I just expect to be treated right. If that's bitter, then yep, I am a bitter bitch. Funny how many messages I received from guys today telling me how so many girls have left this board because of bullies and to just ignore you all because I've done nothing wrong and my site isn't offensive. I agree. You don't know me, and with your reputation on here I couldn't care less what you or people like you think of me. I'm not reading anymore of this crap and will take their advice. Think what you want. Goodbye.
First off I don't hate you, I don't even know you.
I get there is tons of crap you ladies put up with. I have not been kind to those that mistreat you ladies. I totally get having rules. And your right many ladies have them on their site. I have seen ladies with cancelation policies. My issue is not in having rules but in tone and percentage of content. It is the lion's share of the content. It makes you seem angry and bitter. As that is all you present what else am I too judge?
Second do you really need rules like a no steak house rule? I am in business and sometimes it involves taking clients out for a meal. I take them wherever they prefer as they are paying me. I am on a diet and will be for life as I am controlling my diabetes through diet, and I lost 200 LB and wishe to keep it off. Eating out is not good for ether goal of my diet. I still go our and eat where ever. I realize it is to my gain to please my clients and most places will serve you a tossed salad with vinegar.
It is things like that that make you seem bitter. Well that and your comments about "help". I too work hard for my money. And in spite of my efforts without my costumers support I would be broke. Their patronage is definitely a "help". In fact it is more than that it is the life blood of my many businesses. I can't see why any business owner would be upset about "I hope this helps" when truly their patronage and others like him it keeping you afloat.
This is in no way saying you don't earn every penny, you ladies do. My wife is a sex worker and I know what you as a group go through.
Now I offer this as advice as in to help. I don't hate you. I don't even dislike you. I don't know you. I do know advertising at least a bit. I am telling you as both a fellow business person and as a client who sees adult entertainers that the way you present yourself isn't attractive. Rules are fine as long as they address only serous needs and aren't the only content. I read your whole site and it felt like I was getting nagged at. That is not the GFE most guys are looking for. Trust me it is costing you business.
Take it for what you paid for it. You should do what you feel is best.
I have a DNS list, but the gals on there only have a 1% chance of getting off it, if some miracle occurred, but you are the very FIRST chick on my FOREVER do not see list.
And the anger management/male hatred bureau is the third door on the left, just past the elevators.
Good grief...
Men's Rights! Yesssss!
ooooh!!!! misandry! misandry! boo hoo boo hoo!!!!
Good. I attract clients that intend to treat ladies nicely, actually read their site, and have no problem with a simple cancellation policy. Those guys look at all these bullying posts in disgust and agree with me. My post was not bad at ALL. People just seem to have a problem with my cancellation policy. I don't hate men, I hate little boys that try to bullshit me. Too bad for them that I see right through all the games at this point and end it quick. The only people offended by my post, or calling me a bitch, are guys that agree with that kind of behavior I talked about in my post... Guys I wouldn't see anyways. So, thank you.
And the anger management/male hatred bureau is the third door on the left, just past the elevators.
Good grief...
I love poor attitudes. Right up my alley as we always have plenty in common and would make for great pillow talk after the saucy stuff. Health concerns, no problem! I feel it was right down my provider alley to hobnob with those knocking on death's door. I find them to be the most generous...(cha Ching)! AND least demanding in bed.
When it's time to say goodbye for whatever reason you deem appropriate, tell them to fuck off and lose your number. In the hobby world you can do whatever the fuck you want....There's plenty more ass to go around when yours disappears