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Celebs without makeup
souls_harbor 234 reads
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Have you ever seen those pictorials, celebs without makeup, or porn stars without makeup?

Just because someone shows their face in a boudoir photo doesn't mean they look like that in everyday life.  So even high definition face shots can lead to incorrect expectations.  A simple hair style or hair color change can redefine our categorization of the face.

In short there is nothing to be done about expectations.

First: I do not show my face in photos.  My relevant pics are all cropped and/or blurred.    

I've had incidents over the years where someone had conjured an image in his mind of what he thought, and expected, me to look like; which then turned out to be very different from reality.  And a few people have then felt let down.  

This happened to me quite recently, and in this case the person felt compelled to contact me afterwards, expressing his disappointment and suspicion that I "hide" my face in order to mislead & deceive potential clients.  (Totally untrue.)

 
So, getting to my point: I'm always looking to not only learn from my experiences, but also to portray myself as accurately as possible.  

For those who see providers who don't show full face pics, how do you prevent yourself from conceiving a mental image that may not match the real person?    

Is there something that the lady should be doing, in terms of accurately describing her facial features, to lessen the possibility of disappointment?    

Do you read the lady's description of herself?  

Where, on the lady's website, should she put her description? About Me page?  On the Photos page?  Both?  

TIA

I don't think you can do anything about that. I have seen a provider that had a banging body only to be let down with her face. Stuff happens IMHO

and given that a client is free not to see gals who don't show their face, they have no argument against you if they end up disappointed.

On a few occasions I saw gals without having seen their faces first.  Most times I was happy with the results, maybe once or twice I was a bit let down, but I can't blame them for that.  Even then, I had a very lovely time with the person.

What I do see of your photos does look very nice, by the way

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Just stick to what you are doing, you'll be fine. Don't let one jerk drag you down.

Posted By: Debra_Hollander
Is there something that the lady should be doing, in terms of accurately describing her facial features, to lessen the possibility of disappointment?
"Although I do not show my face for privacy reasons, people have said that I look very much like [fill in the blank]."

Better include a year or specific reference, to avoid complaints. "I look just like Lauren Bacall in 1955." vs "I look just like Lauren Bacall in 2005." or "I look just like Bette Davis in "Jezebel."" and not "I look just like Bette Davis in "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?""  

Edit: You can get even more specific and create your own Picasso!!  
You can say that you have:  
Bette Davis eyes
Rosie O'Donnel's cheeks.
Halle Berry's nose.
Liz Taylor's upper lip.
Beyonce's lower lip.
Kirk Douglas's chin.
Left ear is sort of Jennifer Aniston.
Right ear is sort of Miley Cyrus.

I left out eyebrows, eyelashes, forehead, hairline, etc. I leave it to you to COMPLETE THE PICTURE.

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ThePeopleRule381 reads

In youth, males look at female faces since that is what they can see but most of us did not pay much attention to girls until their breasts start to grow.  

I have found that when renting by the hour I am much less concerned about a lady's face than the rest of her body, her menu, and her performance.  If I lived with a gal then the appearance of her face would be more important .

Other than makeup I figure that there is little a lady can do with the face she has been given.

I would be willing to bet that the recent guy to whom you refer is under age 40.  For younger guys, a lady's face may be more important in causing sexual arousal.

I don't see guys under the age of 40, and he was definitely older than that.  

No, it wasn't about my age.  He was specifically unhappy with my features, even called them "disconcerting".  ;-)

complete jerk.  You should ignore such comments.  He has no class to put it in those terms.

While I haven't had the pleasure of seeing Ms. Hollander in person, I have seen enough of her pictures and read enough of her reviews to convince me that she has a very pretty fact and nothing that could, rationally, be remotely called "disconcerting."  I would book her anytime we're in proximity to each other, without hesitation.

OM.

Posted By: Debra_Hollander
I don't see guys under the age of 40, and he was definitely older than that.    
   
 No, it wasn't about my age.  He was specifically unhappy with my features, even called them "disconcerting".  ;-)

souls_harbor232 reads

I burst out laughing when I read that.  Come on Debra, this guy was a complete jerk. They are out there.  Why worry about it?

Posted By: Debra_Hollander
He was specifically unhappy with my features, even called them "disconcerting".  ;-)

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Posted By: ThePeopleRule
In youth, males look at female faces since that is what they can see but most of us did not pay much attention to girls until their breasts start to grow.   For younger guys, a lady's face may be more important in causing sexual arousal.
WTF? Am I missing something? Are you talking about a bunch of 10 year old boys?

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In response to your question, it is impossible to keep us very predictably "visual" males from conjuring up an image of what you beautiful ladies look like.  In fact, I think that is part of the excitement, the slightly unknown, that adds to the allure of a first visit.  I do not think it is your obligation to try to convey your looks beyond posting fairly recent and accurate photos.  The blurred/cropped pictures are, by definition, NOT misleading.  They are simply an attempt to maintain privacy.  In fact, as I write this and clarify my thoughts, I think a written description of your looks, trying to "fill in the blanks" left by a blurred photo, has the potential for causing more of an issue for both client and provider.  In this hobby, there is a certain amount of risk that we clients have to take on our end of the equation....getting a guarantee that the lady will meet some arbitrary definition of "attractive" is just not what we should expect.  If most guys are honest with themselves, they will admit that you ladies take on a much higher degree of risk than we do.  So, short of blatant misrepresentation, no guy should feel like they are entitled to anything more than a fair representation of your looks.  My .02

...and that is part of the game. You aren't doing anything wrong and you cant be expected to manage monger fantasies. IF mongers have a problem they can see only escorts with face pics. Pretty simple. Don't worry about them/it.

no expectations about what a provider looks like, and I think those that do are naive.  Its to be expected that she has a private life and doesn't want to be recognized during her daily activities that are separate from her work.

Posted By: Debra_Hollander
I've had incidents over the years where someone had conjured an image in his mind of what he thought, and expected, me to look like; which then turned out to be very different from reality.  And a few people have then felt let down.
Unfulfilled Expectations are very much a factor in the experience and can disrupt it or, in bad cases, ruin it. Even changing hair color or hair length can upset a fantasy that has been marinating for a week or more. And it is often our (the guys) own fault! "I want her to look like THIS."

I met someone who is an absolute incredible 10 in her pics but sports a blurred face. Well, she IS a 10! However, I had completed the facial pic the way I wanted her to look. When I got there, as pretty as she truly is, her face was NOT the face that I had put on that body! I was briefly disoriented but things went well after that. I still would prefer Face-A on Her-Body instead of Her-Face on Her-Body but I'm willing to accept her as she is :-) because I'm such a generous and forgiving guy.  (What I need to do is get Face-A out of my head!)

Yes: Expectations, fulfilled or unfulfilled, are very important to the success of the date.

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I've noticed that there are too many guys assuming that when they book a provider they are getting total perfection.
They may be in terms of performance but we are all human and all have imperfections.  
I see no need for a girl to show her face in her pics and ads.  
It's not the face they're coming for...or in!
We all want to see beauty but that's in the eyes of the beholder and its evidenced every day in review ratings.

As for you personally, Debbie, as straightforward and direct, kind and accommodating as you are anyone accusing you of being unauthentic is too stupid to breathe on his own.

I gather you've been a provider for many years and have had many satisfied clients.  If you were to add up all of your happy clients and then figure out what percentage of clients had issues like what you have described, it sounds like it would be well south of 1%.  I understand every client is important, but sometimes you just have to discount the outlier.  That's the way I would look at it.

Posted By: Debra_Hollander
First: I do not show my face in photos.  My relevant pics are all cropped and/or blurred.    
   
 I've had incidents over the years where someone had conjured an image in his mind of what he thought, and expected, me to look like; which then turned out to be very different from reality.  And a few people have then felt let down.  
   
 This happened to me quite recently, and in this case the person felt compelled to contact me afterwards, expressing his disappointment and suspicion that I "hide" my face in order to mislead & deceive potential clients.  (Totally untrue.)  
   
   
 So, getting to my point: I'm always looking to not only learn from my experiences, but also to portray myself as accurately as possible.    
   
 For those who see providers who don't show full face pics, how do you prevent yourself from conceiving a mental image that may not match the real person?    
   
 Is there something that the lady should be doing, in terms of accurately describing her facial features, to lessen the possibility of disappointment?    
   
 Do you read the lady's description of herself?    
   
 Where, on the lady's website, should she put her description? About Me page?  On the Photos page?  Both?  
   
 TIA!  
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 

for example, blur it enough so that I can't really recognize you on the street,

but leave enough detail so that I can see the proportions of your face, like how big your nose is, or the distance between your nose and your lips, etc. We all have different standards of beauty.

My preference is to see lips unblurred.

Like the photo attached here, I have a good idea how her nose is in the blurred photo-

The point of my blurring is so that no one recognizes. No one that I know in my daily life and no one out and about who may have seen my photos. That blurring in the picture defeats the purpose of blurring. Anyone who knows her would recognize her and she's that much more recognizable to hotel staff or anyone creeping.

I understand the plight of meeting people who blur, but there are options and choose the options that don't blur if it's that important to you and you can't read between the lines to figure out whether you'd find them attractive.

For the OP, it's tricky to say but we all have an idea of where we fit in on the scale of attractiveness in the world. If you are a stunner then talk about it, if you're more of the cute-ish soccer mom, make that known, if you're not the type to turn heads but look good dolled up make it clear. If your body is your best asset, play that up and say your body won't disappoint. Don't show face because of squeaky wheels, but be as accurate as possible.

your "NEWER" blurred pics still give me an idea of the proportions of your facial features, and I would rather see pics like yours than a hair covered face like the OP's.  

excessive blurring like below and your "NEW" photos, however, is really not needed.
 

Posted By: NorahLucille
The point of my blurring is so that no one recognizes. No one that I know in my daily life and no one out and about who may have seen my photos. That blurring in the picture defeats the purpose of blurring. Anyone who knows her would recognize her and she's that much more recognizable to hotel staff or anyone creeping.  
   
 I understand the plight of meeting people who blur, but there are options and choose the options that don't blur if it's that important to you and you can't read between the lines to figure out whether you'd find them attractive.  
   
 For the OP, it's tricky to say but we all have an idea of where we fit in on the scale of attractiveness in the world. If you are a stunner then talk about it, if you're more of the cute-ish soccer mom, make that known, if you're not the type to turn heads but look good dolled up make it clear. If your body is your best asset, play that up and say your body won't disappoint. Don't show face because of squeaky wheels, but be as accurate as possible.

I want to screenshot your posts bingbongwhatever, they are a crystal clear example of mansplaining at its best.  

I choose to show my face, but I'm also choosing to take on the risk and have had subsequent consequences (lost job, gained stalker, etc).  

So if a lady isn't willing to face those kinds of consequences, guess what? You not being pleased with her photo choice doesn't really matter. Because as important as you may view yourself, a single client is not going to make or break her business. Even if she has had several people say something, it's several people out of how many?  

I doubt the op posted out of her business being hurt as much as feelings being hurt (people can be jerks). And I bet she's doing just fine without your (or anyone who insists on less blurring) business.  

Oh yeah! And if you're going to post blurring examples, why not use your own picture as an example? I mean, you're on TER, what's there to fear? If your version of blurring is so effective/not misleading, let's see it!

For obvious reasons already stated such as so hotel staff won't recognize, or family or friends won't know it is also wise to crop or blur faces due to the ease of use of facial recognition software. All any girl needs is for some obsessed client to run it and a possible hit come up from a social media site with our personal information. It's why going beyond just blurring and actual cropping is more desirable.  

Posted By: bingbingbongbongbing
your "NEWER" blurred pics still give me an idea of the proportions of your facial features, and I would rather see pics like yours than a hair covered face like the OP's.  
   
 excessive blurring like below and your "NEW" photos, however, is really not needed.  
   
   
Posted By: NorahLucille
The point of my blurring is so that no one recognizes. No one that I know in my daily life and no one out and about who may have seen my photos. That blurring in the picture defeats the purpose of blurring. Anyone who knows her would recognize her and she's that much more recognizable to hotel staff or anyone creeping.  
     
  I understand the plight of meeting people who blur, but there are options and choose the options that don't blur if it's that important to you and you can't read between the lines to figure out whether you'd find them attractive.  
     
  For the OP, it's tricky to say but we all have an idea of where we fit in on the scale of attractiveness in the world. If you are a stunner then talk about it, if you're more of the cute-ish soccer mom, make that known, if you're not the type to turn heads but look good dolled up make it clear. If your body is your best asset, play that up and say your body won't disappoint. Don't show face because of squeaky wheels, but be as accurate as possible.

If you do not show your face for privacy reasons, I understand.  But... you are a beautiful woman who has nothing to hide. Although beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I can't imagine anyone not finding you gorgeous.

Posted By: Debra_Hollander
First: I do not show my face in photos.  My relevant pics are all cropped and/or blurred.    
   
 I've had incidents over the years where someone had conjured an image in his mind of what he thought, and expected, me to look like; which then turned out to be very different from reality.  And a few people have then felt let down.  
   
 This happened to me quite recently, and in this case the person felt compelled to contact me afterwards, expressing his disappointment and suspicion that I "hide" my face in order to mislead & deceive potential clients.  (Totally untrue.)  
   
   
 So, getting to my point: I'm always looking to not only learn from my experiences, but also to portray myself as accurately as possible.    
   
 For those who see providers who don't show full face pics, how do you prevent yourself from conceiving a mental image that may not match the real person?    
   
 Is there something that the lady should be doing, in terms of accurately describing her facial features, to lessen the possibility of disappointment?    
   
 Do you read the lady's description of herself?    
   
 Where, on the lady's website, should she put her description? About Me page?  On the Photos page?  Both?  
   
 TIA!  
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 
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I totally understand the need to protect privacy for certain providers. Some of us make a career out of it so we decide to show face. I think that to blur face in pictures will inevitably carry some consequences such as men feeling disappointed that you didn't look the way they pictures you in their heads. It comes with the territory and the providers who blur their pic should be mentally prepared for some guys reactions. Some men are more about the physical beauty than others.  

I feel like captain obvious right now... I guess the take away from your OP is... Be ready mentally to deal with men's reactions when they are not pleased with what they see. Ure reviews depict an attractive woman so I don't seem any men being disappointed. I had men telling me they love big boobs... And I'm like... Dude what are u doing here then. It's not like I don't show my little bumps on my pics lol. Some guys are just too funny lol.

Once you screen the client, you could have an option of using snapchat to view a pic of you that is not blurred.

Posted By: Debra_Hollander
First: I do not show my face in photos.  My relevant pics are all cropped and/or blurred.    
   
 I've had incidents over the years where someone had conjured an image in his mind of what he thought, and expected, me to look like; which then turned out to be very different from reality.  And a few people have then felt let down.  
   
 This happened to me quite recently, and in this case the person felt compelled to contact me afterwards, expressing his disappointment and suspicion that I "hide" my face in order to mislead & deceive potential clients.  (Totally untrue.)  
   
   
 So, getting to my point: I'm always looking to not only learn from my experiences, but also to portray myself as accurately as possible.    
   
 For those who see providers who don't show full face pics, how do you prevent yourself from conceiving a mental image that may not match the real person?    
   
 Is there something that the lady should be doing, in terms of accurately describing her facial features, to lessen the possibility of disappointment?    
   
 Do you read the lady's description of herself?    
   
 Where, on the lady's website, should she put her description? About Me page?  On the Photos page?  Both?  
   
 TIA!  
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 
-- Modified on 6/25/2016 6:09:51 AM

souls_harbor235 reads

Have you ever seen those pictorials, celebs without makeup, or porn stars without makeup?

Just because someone shows their face in a boudoir photo doesn't mean they look like that in everyday life.  So even high definition face shots can lead to incorrect expectations.  A simple hair style or hair color change can redefine our categorization of the face.

In short there is nothing to be done about expectations.

If he was so awfully 'disconcerted' and thought you were deliberately misleading, he had the option (and some may even say the obligation) to leave. He also has the option to review you. Sounds like an ill-mannered shitstain. Pay no mind. Xo

Epicurus61249 reads

DH, you mention comparisons to Kim Bassinger, Cheryl Hines, and an older and blonder Angelina Jolie on your website. Who's fault is it if the client expected to find a classically beautiful woman and was disappointed?

On the other hand, contacting you afterword accusing you of deliberate deception probably crosses a line of decency. He does, however have every right to comment in a review that in his opinion you don't look anything like these woman and (in his opinion) your scores are exaggerated.

In reviewing your website and photos, IMHO, your discretely angled photos are adequate to give me a good idea to expect a mature woman of average build.

I must admit that I am much more likely to book a girl who does not blur and who posts selfies (un-airbrushed pics). On more than one occasion, I've met providers who took advantage of either old or touched-up body pics and were the beneficiaries of very generous reviews. So how do I prevent myself from conceiving a false image? I probably don't, probably can't. I read a review that says cute or pretty and I have an idea of cute and pretty. In some cases, a girl's great personality can help overcome, in others, I need to count on the powers of my own imagination, but that's when I wish I had stayed home.

In closing, while I respect your need for privacy, the combination of flattering camera angles, website descriptions, review scores and descriptions are all powerful marketing tools and if the end product does not live up to the client's expectation, don't blame him.

Posted By: Epicurus61
DH, you mention comparisons to Kim Bassinger, Cheryl Hines, and an older and blonder Angelina Jolie on your website. Who's fault is it if the client expected to find a classically beautiful woman and was disappointed?
Whoops! I hadn't even checked Deb's website before I posted my "Celeb look-alike" suggestion, above. I think it can still help to give someone a useful mental image ahead of time. If the resemblance is too far off, give the guys some kind of warning: "Katherine Hepburn ... in "The Madwoman of Chaillot" NOT the Katherine Hepburn in "Morning Glory.""  

Perhaps be prepared for the guys who ask: "I'm an eye-guy. Who do you resemble around the eyes?"  "I'm a lips guy. Whose lips (or mouth) do you have? Carol Channing or Girl with a Pearl Earring?"

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Contrary to the plot of the so named movie, Vermeer almost certainly used his family members (wife and children) as his painting subjects.

Posted By: impposter
Posted By: or Girl with a Pearl Earring?"

Where, on the lady's website, should she put her description? About Me page?  On the Photos page?  Both?"

Regarding your question I quoted above I say you don't put a description. I don't mean you should not describe yourself but trying to "write" a picture because your photos have blurred faces isn't necessary. No matter what someone will not agree because they filter through their experience. Keep blurring your photos. Don't be concerned about those like the reviewer who conjured in his own mind what you looked like and then was unhappy because He got it wrong.

One thing I have found about blurred face photos. The blurring rounds things off. A lady with a narrow face will look somewhat rounded. This happened to me a time or two. I had actually guessed pretty well how she would look but her face was leaner than I expected. No biggie. It was clear she was the lady in the photos

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