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I have never walked out of an appt although theres been times where I wish i did. The most scary situati8on ive been in was in north jersey with a person who was definitely high on something. Luckily for me, he was mostly nice. I had two people walking out on me because they thought they had the right to quote my donation instead of me. besides that I have had a good run. Screening has always helped.
I ran as fast as I could a few times, but never walked. LOL
U loved me admit it.
We had done one session, but the gal suddenly got very irritated for some reason. I asked her if she wanted me to leave, and she said "fine", so I did. We made up however. Just one of those things.
There is another time that I should have walked out. I had had one session with a certain provider and it was just awful. I later called a different ad (This was pre-internet days.) and when I showed up, it was the very same gal. I said something like: "not you again", and started to leave, but she said c'mon, give me another chance, so like a fool, I did. It was just as bad if not worse
Yes I've walked out! It was a couple of years ago down in CT. A friend recommended her and her reviews ( another site) were pretty good. I checked everything out about her. Her pics were real and recent and part of her screening was a phone call or two to get a better feel.
My friend had mentioned that she may or may not be high volume but I went ahead anyway. When I got to her incall she met me outside and walked me up to her room. She was really cute. Tall, slender nice rack, very cute tight a$$. Pleasant face and beautiful blue eyes.
My horniness changed once I got into her place, almost stumbling over a dirty cat box. I could also smell vomit and when I went to bathroom to freshen up there was a full trash basket of seemingly the last few days' worth of "house guests."
I went ahead reluctantly, placed donation on table and we began kissing. This is when it happened ...I was running my hands through her hair and I noticed cum. I stopped and told her. She said she didn't know any went in her hair.... Geez, girl, that's why you shower. Or at least clean up between clients.
Needless to say I bailed. She did apologize and actually gave donation back to me. I am pretty sure she was being sincere when she apologized too.
D.
Twice as an independent... a few times w/agency.
That's over a period of nearly 6 years.
The first time I walked out was a few years ago. The guy had, like, 8 highly recommended's on Date-Check, but when I arrived, I got a major druggie vibe. He was asking me paranoid questions and just didn't seem right... Had it only been a 1- or 2-hour date, I might have stuck it out, but we were scheduled for 4 hours... I decided that I just couldn't bring myself to spend that much time with him, and left.
The second time was last week. I'd work-verified the guy, and he seemed nice over email. The one hint I got, was that he asked me for advice on local eating establishments... I gave him a rather detailed reply, and he never thanked me... most people would say, 'Hey thanks, that was helpful! XX sounds awesome! We decided on XXX place.' He said nothing.
I get there, and we had a drink beforehand. I remember thinking right before we went upstairs to his hotel room, 'Wow, I really don't like this person.' That's not a common thought for me to have. Most guys I see are nice. This guy wasn't unpleasant or rude, but I just got a bad vibe.
When we got upstairs, there was no envelope in sight. I asked to use his bathroom. Nothing was left out for me. I usually don't ask for the donation upfront, but I decided I didn't want to risk it (due to the bad vibe I'd gotten). I asked him if he had anything for me. He assured me, 'We're fine.' Then tried to kiss me and pull off my dress. I told him I wouldn't feel comfortable proceeding until we'd taken care of business. He continued to tell me 'We are fine, ' and tried to basically force play. I left. He never produced an envelope
Australian men are damned hard work honestly.
This guy was a hot shot lawyer - so he boasted for 10 minutes on arrival, you'd think the entire Australian Government wouldn't function without him so he thought.
He then proceeded to want every rough PSE trick in the book, despite paying my lower GFE rate. He's yanking the hair, trying to force my head down onto his dick, dirty talk, just generally being rough and unpleasant. By now I just want it over with so I soldiered on but I should have thrown him out. I like the PSE stuff if it's been booked and paid for and the guy is respectful and upfront about what he's looking for. Tight guys who don't want to pay more but want to exert their control in a session that clearly isn't GFE in anyone's book just make me angry though.
Rant over 
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I have never walked out of an appt although theres been times where I wish i did. The most scary situati8on ive been in was in north jersey with a person who was definitely high on something. Luckily for me, he was mostly nice. I had two people walking out on me because they thought they had the right to quote my donation instead of me. besides that I have had a good run. Screening has always helped.
Sorry my countryman gave you such a difficult time. We are not all "damned hard work". Unfortunately, you have come across the classic arsehole who gives the rest of us a bad reputation.
Some of us are kind, respectful and not cheap
The young lady I was seeing was refered to me by another provider, and she made a comment about a condom early in our meeting. I said we wont need one, since I was only interested in oral. She said that she did not do BBBJ and I said that was a deal breaker, picked up the donation and left. It all took only a couple of minutes.
I have never walked out of an appt although theres been times where I wish i did. The most scary situati8on ive been in was in north jersey with a person who was definitely high on something. Luckily for me, he was mostly nice. I had two people walking out on me because they thought they had the right to quote my donation instead of me. besides that I have had a good run. Screening has always helped.
Yup!. I have.
Way back in the 1980's.
Made an appointment with an agency I've seen girls from on this night. The lady on the phone assured me this girl was nice and very attractive. I get to the location.The girl was nothing like what the lady described. I told her this isn't going to work so I'm leaving. She demanded I give her 50 dollars for her getting to this location. I told her no and I'm leaving. She had the gall to block the door. I told her if she doesn't get out of my way I'm going to knock you down like a NFL Defensive Linebacker. She wised up and let me leave.
In the 1990's.
Went to a house of a former provider I used to see. But now she was running her own place with girls working for her. On this day there was only one girl working. She was Asian. I wasn't crazy about seeing an Asian Girl. But I said What the Hel why not. I get to the bedroom and wait for her. She walks in and says I have to pay her first before we do anything. I told her I pay the lady before I leave. She insisted I pay her. So I walk out and explain to the lady that you know me and I always pay before I leave. The lady said I know you do. But she wants the money first. So I told the lady I'll wait until the other girls get here another time. I walked out without paying anything. On my other visits the Asian Girl was there. But you can guess I never picked her to play with
but it was outcall and I couldn't leave my own home LOL. I did start to just give her the money and ask her to leave, but I went through with it.....
I have never walked out of an appt although theres been times where I wish i did. The most scary situati8on ive been in was in north jersey with a person who was definitely high on something. Luckily for me, he was mostly nice. I had two people walking out on me because they thought they had the right to quote my donation instead of me. besides that I have had a good run. Screening has always helped.
I left a session 10 minutes early once, and I was happy to do so.
I asked an outcall girl to leave just after she arrived. It was a bait and switch, and it was my last of 3 BP experiences, all of which were negative
Was with a provider who was so hungover from a previous night out on the town should could barley function. I lasted for about 20 minutes of an hour session. We are on the bed just getting ready to rock n roll when I realized that is wasn't going to work. I got out of the bed grabbed my stuff got dressed and walked out.
I went to a couple of AMP's that were known to offer FS, but upon entering, I encountered the telltale signs of human trafficking, so turned around and walked back out. Other times, I have ended a session early and just left, sometimes because the provider was hung over, high on something, or had a bad attitude, but I still left the donation because I didn't want to get blacklisted. However, no tip!
but it's just simply not always true. One of my first AMP GFs, of the modern twenty first century version at least, worked in a place very much like you described. Seven or eight girls working in a place with four massage rooms, lived in the AMP with several other girls, worked long hours seven days a week, everything that would spell "human trafficking" to someone like you.
The truth of the matter was, she had a VERY nice apartment of her own, she chose to stay at the parlor most nights, just like a busy executive will often sleep at the office after a 14 hour day, she made just as much money as most busy executives, she simply preferred to get an extra hour of two of sleep each night over sleeping in her own bed, actually until she started dating me she never owned a bed preferring to sleep on a nice little mat in the living room, she only got the bed for my comfort, not hers and we never did get a couch. lol
I absolutely hate it when people start talking human trafficking when it's just a cultural difference they don't understand, and coming from someone like you makes it even more exasperating, you of all people should know better. I used to date a Vietnamese girl, non hooker. She would often go to the casino with her friends, they would cram a dozen of them into a room with two beds like they were FOB with no money, but every one of them would bring at least twenty grand each to gamble with. If they were American they would have each gotten a room on the house, but it was just natural for them to all pile in a room like that, so that's what they did.
let me as you a serious question, Whether our instincts are right or wrong, if there's a feeling that it's HT isn't it a better choice to leave? Consider me completely ignorant and naive on the subject, what would be a tell tale sign and at what point should I no longer go through with the session? I get it that there are cultural difference, but if certain conditions are, as you describe it, "everything that would spell human trafficking to someone like you" how are we to know the difference?
Not trying to be a smart ass here, looking for some advice and you seem to be knowledgable on the subject.
...there is a reasonable chance it isn't 100 percent consensual it is best to walk. Regardless of what anyone else has to say. Trust your gut. Trafficking isn't as common as the media makes appear, but it does happen. Only you are there. So only you can make the call. It is far better to be wrong and walk out of a fully consensual situation then to see a victim of trafficking and be party to rape. If in doubt walk.
I made no such suggestion that all AMP's are involved in human trafficking. I clearly said, "a few times I went to a couple". I also said when I see the "telltale signs" of human trafficking. It has nothing to do with cultural differences. There are certain identifiers that most trafficking operations have in common. If I encounter those, I leave. If I don't, I will stay.
I have seen over 300 Kgirls in eight years. It would have been more but I tend to get involved in outside relationships with several of these girls along the way, where I learned many of the things you have accused me of not knowing. I have been to several apartments of girls that work 12 hours a day, six or seven days a week. I KNOW they are not trafficked. I have been to Korea three times at the invitation of Kgirls I met here when they were working. I have also dated a Viet girl, live in OC which has "Little Saigon", the largest Viet community in the US, so I don't need you lecturing me on cultural differences. I probably know more about Viets than you do.
I fully agree with you that most AMP's are not involved in human trafficking. If you search my posts on other boards where this topic has been discussed here, you will find yours and my perspectives are aligned. But if you are saying there are NO AMP's that are involved in human trafficking, you are dead wrong.
I am no experience with the Asian communities. But I am close to a few ladies that were trafficked. While most ladies in this game (massage parlor, agency, and/or appearing independent) are here willingly some small percentage aren't in eachieving group. If you are in doubt you have a moral obligation to walk 100% of the time. You clearly did the right thing.
I could on few appointments due to hygiene issues.. But then again they were incalls at my place so I couldn't walk out!!
I've had one really bad incident when I first started the guy robbed me after the session but since learning the ropes of providing, I haven't had any issues..
A number of years ago I saw a young provider who worked for an agency, who was "saving herself for her boyfriend." No kissing - saving for her boyfriend. No oral sex accepted from me - saving for her boyfriend. She really never got comfortable, so I asked her to leave after about 20 minutes. I did not ask her to return the donation.
Many, many years ago I walked out on a stripper after going to her hotel room with her. I was really having a great time, she was giving me great oral sex, and she was quite attractive. I tried to move to a 69 position and she said that would be another donation. She had been kind of upselling me all night, and that was the final straw, so to speak. Stupid me, I got pissed at her and started arguing, and of course left her place unsatisfied. All I had to do is shut up and let her do things her way!
I saw a new provider's add that interested me and watched it carefully for awhile. She only had one review and it looked suspicious. Contacted her. She confessed to being very new in the business but she wanted to meet me. I was convinced to give it a try. Got to the nice hotel. It was clear she was nervous when she gave me the instructions to the room. Got to the room and her anxiety was palpable. I entered and sat her down to chat. She was truly beautiful but she looked even younger than her advertised 18 years. She was honest about being nervous but she wanted me to stay and have "fun". I wasn't convinced and it just didn't feel right. I told her that I didn't want to go through with it since she was so anxious. O also told her and would be honest in my review and didn't think she wanted to risk a bad review at this stage in her career. Her facial expression betrayed surprise and relief. But I could sense she was nervous about not collecting her fee. A handler or her bill, I'm not sure. I gave her half her rate, wished her the best, gave her a hug and walked out the door.
I learned a valuable lesson to stay true to my preferences and my gut. Haven't made that mistake again
Both times were for an incall appointment.
First one was at a low rent apartment complex. She opened the door and I saw that it was obviously not the girl in the photos in the ad. Total bait and switch. Needless to say, the girl that answered the door was not attractive in the least. I said "you're not the girl I was expecting" and turned around and walked away. (Note: this was before I knew about TER.) Later that evening, and for a couple of evenings after that, I got calls from some pimp (I didn't answer the phone, but voice mail messages were left) saying things like: "hey, faggot, all the boys at the gay bar are missing you, come suck our dicks and get fucked in the ass." Fortunately, that pimp got bored of making those calls.
The second one was at a low budget motel. This was a well reviewed lady traveling to Las Vegas. (I should have sensed problems when she wasn't staying at a hotel on the Strip.) She tells me where she is staying and says to phone her when I get there and she'll give me the room number then. So, I drive to the low budget motel and park the car. I'm a little early, so I wait a few minutes before calling her. As I'm waiting I see a guy open the door and exit a room that I'm parked in front of. This guy had "pimp" written all over him. He went to a car, opened the door on the passenger side of the car, then sat down with the car door still open. He just sat there and made no attempt to start the car or even look for anything in the car. He kept his attention on the motel room he exited. Well, I then called the lady and told her I was there. She told me the room number, and sure enough, it was the exact same room I was parked in front of, the exact same room that Mr. Pimp exited from just a minutes before! While still talking to her on the phone, I start my car and drive away. When I was clear of the parking lot and well on my way, I said I had changed my mind won't be there because I didn't see girls with pimps!
Hey, there's a pattern here. Both times involved pimps! Coincidence? I think not.
I know most of you ladies think us guys as being dense when it comes to intuition. Especially when it comes to thinking with our cocks. For the most part you have a point. But there are a few of us knuckleheads who actually listen.
My intuition was giving me a bad vibe about this particular new lady a few years ago. She had good reviews, so I didn't understand why the bad vibe. I had driven to her incall, and was a little early. Too much time to let my throbbing cock take over my feelings of foreboding. But I resisted the temptation, and called to tell her I wasn't coming up. Of course I got a few fuck yous, fuck your mom, fuck your sister, and fuck your dog. But a few days later two new reviews of her appeared stating that there was a gentleman waiting in the bathroom of her incall to rob them. After those reviews, she disappeared forever. Usually the only time you get to find out if your intuition is correct is when you don't listen. This was a rarity. Thank you God, or Jesus, or Mary, or my good dog sense.
Right after I've shot my wad.
Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.
Both times were with agency girls. Both were cases of terrible service. They ended on very different terms.
The first was a disaster from the start. I should have left when she told me to "wait by the elevator for 5 minutes" after knocking on the door three times. She finally let me in and things only went downhill from there. Tried to work things out with the agency afterwards but the agency blamed me. Long story short: wrote a bad review. Never called that agency again. Full details in my review.
The second was also bad service from the start. I never thought there could be such a thing as a "bad" BJ, but this girl wrote the book on bad BJ's. After about 5 min I grabbed my phone, called the agency and left as fast as I could. The agency believed in customer service and said I could have another girl if I wanted. About 30 min later I was back in the same room. Apparently they fired the first girl. Had a great time with the second girl. The creepy thing is after the second I go out to my car and some woman comes up to me and starts talking. It was the first girl. I did not recognize her at first but freaked out when I did. This was more frightening that being questioned by LE, which I have also experienced twice. But those are totally different stories. Wrote a good review on the second girl. Did not have to pay for the first. Ha!
A Fav I'd been seeing... we were getting nekid & answered her personal phone... proceeded to have a fight with her sister who was subletting her previous apt & neglecting to pay the rent. I got up & she demands loudly 'where are you going'. I lied & said the bathroom but really I wanted to give hersome privacy as she was getting upset. I really wated to bail... but my clothes were in her room. She concluded the call & a half hour later She'd calmed enough to pick up where we'd left off.
I saw her a couple more times over the next year...
She blows up my phone while I'm an hour into the drive to see her. I assure her I'm really on the road. When I arrive, I find she's stressed over a family event & pressed for time. I'd have rescheduled if she'd told me when I called. It took an hour to calm her down. If I hadn't PROMISED I would have walked.
I don't see her anymore...
This was a well-screened individual who had developed a bad habit since his last appointment with the agency I worked with at the time.
I showed up and he was weird from the get-go. It became clear that he was "on" something when he tried to get me to partake..... but by that time, I was already far inside his loft and undressed.
Since I was worried he might become violent, I decided to bide my time and not do anything to provoke him.
I was in nothing but a thong, but had the rest of my clothing bundled up with my purse, ready to bolt at the first opportunity. He finally left the room for a moment and I was out of there in a flash! I scooped up my purse/clothes/shoes bundle, ran out the door and down 3 flights of stairs before pausing to pull on my shoes & dress. I could already hear him yelling for me, but thankfully he was not pursuing me down the steps.
As I exited the building, he was loudly yelling out his window.... it wasn't until I was a 1/2 block away, climbing into my car, that I looked up to see him standing naked on his balcony with his phone in hand, alternately yelling at the person on the other end (agency phone girl) and screaming for me to come back. LMAO.
Just say no, people. Just say no. 
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Debra Hollander (formerly DebbieNoonerGirl)
..When I arrived she was preoccupied with her cell phone. More of the same after the shower. She finally undresses. No kissing. Not even LFK. No FIV. When it came time for oral she puts on a condom for the BJ. None of this was in her profile otherwise I would never have seen her. After the bj she tells me to go take another shower. Huh? She actually said "I have to kiss you again". I took my shower and while I was in there decided to walk out. Money down the drain but no need to prolong a horrible time. We had a brief discussion while I dressed. She was pissed. I was more pissed but I kept it civil. I just wanted out with the least amount of drama
She was obviously high. There was visible signs of drug use. I told her I was walking and she slapped me. I left. Drugs and prostitution don't mix well. Nothing else to say. After all she put me at additional risk without consent and was unfit to work as there was doubts in my mind if she was in a condition to give consent. I am not paying a dime for that.
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I went to the location, and there were two unmarked police cars there (one car, and one van) in the parking lot. I was not about to have any part in that. I did call the provider and warned her too because I had seen her before so I knew it wasn't her fault. I compensated her for her time too. Some may say "why?" but for me, to avoid LE was well worth it!
mall hotel, very nosy staff. Shortly after session start my gut told me to leave.
Left donation and left hotel. Probably nothing to worry about; but figured it
was cheap at the price to pay and leave rather the face the dreaded LE if the staff
had called them
Early in the hobby I made an massage appt from an ad in a local alternative newspaper (pre-internet era). The ad had a cute face pic and tempting description of her and her skills. Made a call & booked appt. Arrived mid-afternoon to her incall (house) in an average neighborhood. Rang the bell and this sexy, petite little blond from the ad answers the door & invites me in. Then leads me to a bedroom at the end of the house. Along the way we passed the living room with TV on & five, maybe six guys (age mid-twenties) lounging, in a cloud of weed smoke, who all turn to observe me as we pass. I wanted to turn & bolt right outa there. Instead I continued the walk to her room. Had just a bed with a sheet. She told me to get comfortable. I told her I'd forgotten the donation in the car & I'd be right back. Got out the door & jogged to my car & left.
I know in my early days before I realized what screening was I definitely had a few sketchy encounters that I should of walked away from. But with time and experience under my belt now if it happened again I'd have no issue just leaving.
xoxo
-Eve
With civilian Gals in my younger years, when I had little patience, I walked too many times when she didn't pass the sniff test.
I say too many times because a few were gorgeous in the looks and congeniality department, all they needed to be much more than adequate was a soaking bath.
I'm not knocking any of them for not being prepared, when we had just met, and it wasn't a planned sexual event.
The big difference I've seen between a provider and some civilian Gals I just met, the providers I've seen are always prepped and clean for fucking on her schedule.
My only walk out with pay4play..........
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