...it's pretty juvenile and unprofessional for her not to respond to your email. As Dr Who implies, most gals get this business and reward people who helped build there business by GF them. It's just common decency and a smart business practice.
Now, reasonable people can disagree with how long that GF period should last and what constitutes being GF to begin with, but a client who has seen a girl on several/numerous occasions and treated her with respect, it is odd for her not to GF you. But like Dr Who has pointed out, this is why a girl has competition. Move on to the next girl on your list but something tells me when the other girls hot streak ends, and they all do eventually, you'll likely hear from her again.A post below got me to thinking.
Almost every provider I've seen has a grandfathering policy. However, one provider I've seen and believed I had been a very good client with (as with all providers) -- i.e., up-front and open in communication, respectful of time and rules, clean and well groomed, no negotiation or gimmicks with the donation -- cut off contact with me when I asked to see her at the rate we had always used.
She raised her rates, fine. But I asked her to grandfather me, and she did not respond, nor has she responded to any email of mine since.
(by the way, the last apppointment I made with this provider, she cancelled on me ("sick") an hour before the date, and I complained nary a whit)
Was I incorrect that grandfathering is the standard in the industry? Do any other providers raise their rates, refuse to grandfather, and cut off contact when it is requested
I'd say 80% of the gals I know do grandfather, for at least 5 years or so. In some cases (10+ years) I have increased their fee voluntarily because otherwise it didn't seem right, and I didn't want them to feel resentful.
On the other hand, I've known some gals well over 10 years, and a few have lowered their rates on account of competition, especially in the face of their aging. In those cases, I continued to pay the same fee
Ladies have expectations of steady business and when that doesn't happen there can be some miscommunication issues over time.
Some gals get the business end of the game, while others are hit and run...grabbing the most they can as fast as they can.
Don't take it personally that your gal pal didn't offer to discount you. She likely had higher paying johns and you just weren't/aren't that important.
And her rent went up, and shoes need to be bought.
There's always another gal to suck your cock. And likely with more enthusiasm. Go and check her out.
Almost every provider I've seen has a grandfathering policy. However, one provider I've seen and believed I had been a very good client with (as with all providers) -- i.e., up-front and open in communication, respectful of time and rules, clean and well groomed, no negotiation or gimmicks with the donation -- cut off contact with me when I asked to see her at the rate we had always used.
She raised her rates, fine. But I asked her to grandfather me, and she did not respond, nor has she responded to any email of mine since.
(by the way, the last apppointment I made with this provider, she cancelled on me ("sick") an hour before the date, and I complained nary a whit)
Was I incorrect that grandfathering is the standard in the industry? Do any other providers raise their rates, refuse to grandfather, and cut off contact when it is requested?
Especially me not being that rich and important! Lol
...it's pretty juvenile and unprofessional for her not to respond to your email. As Dr Who implies, most gals get this business and reward people who helped build there business by GF them. It's just common decency and a smart business practice.
Now, reasonable people can disagree with how long that GF period should last and what constitutes being GF to begin with, but a client who has seen a girl on several/numerous occasions and treated her with respect, it is odd for her not to GF you.
But like Dr Who has pointed out, this is why a girl has competition. Move on to the next girl on your list but something tells me when the other girls hot streak ends, and they all do eventually, you'll likely hear from her again.
"Hi honey, I miss you" lol
Yeah...that never happens 
Speaking of email/PM's....are yours working?
Now, reasonable people can disagree with how long that GF period should last and what constitutes being GF to begin with, but a client who has seen a girl on several/numerous occasions and treated her with respect, it is odd for her not to GF you.
But like Dr Who has pointed out, this is why a girl has competition. Move on to the next girl on your list but something tells me when the other girls hot streak ends, and they all do eventually, you'll likely hear from her again.
It was in response to a tour announcement on her e-mailing list. But, I guess it wasn't several times. I saw her twice and the third was, as I said, cancelled. Would've seen her much more though if she lived here.
Yeah I think the point is like was said, since she's got more lucrative business elsewhere, no need to bother with me. My OP was probably more directed to whether it's an industry standard. To that end, mrfishers post is probably more on point, saying in his experience about 80% grandfather
P.S. assuming I'm telling the truth huh....well gosh thanks for the benefit of the doubt. I'll admit it's better than assuming I'm a lying steaming sack of donkey droppings
Maybe she was having a "special" and I would say no that wouldn't be grandfathered in . Or maybe you guys just dont have chemistry ... In that case I would pass on a date for 1. If it wasn't enjoyable 2. To eliminate the possibility of a negative review
For me it totally depends on the gentleman I'm seeing. If I've known him for years and he has been a good regular, I will grandfather him in. I'll also grandfather someone if we have a fantastic connection but definitely not someone I've seen just once. It is definitely NOT industry standard as each indie lady is her own entity. Maybe she just didn't connect with you?
XOXO,
TL
even if you're grandfathered it's not supposed to be forever. Some will negotiate, some won't. Plenty of Tuna in the sea.
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Some ladies will grandfather and some don't. Some do it only for certain clients. Some only do it for a certain amount of time. In any case, no response at all from her is kind of rude. Time to move on.
In my experience, grandfathering is the norm, but there are exceptions. Here's what I've experienced:
A couple of faves whom I had seen about 6x each grandfathered me indefinitely. Both raised their rates twice, bit not for me.
Another whom I had seen twice grandfathered me. She said "of course." But she cut our third date short by 10-15 minutes, making it effectively the new rate.
One provider whom I had seen once grandfathered me for exactly 6 months from the prior date. I booked her on the last possible day of the old rate.
One provider raised her rates after I booked, but before the date. Her assistant told me I had to pay the new rate. I thought that was poor form, but I liked her, the initial rate was a bargain, and the increase was modest, so I saw her a few more times.
One relative newbie grandfathered me because we had chemistry and I helped her with her website.
One highly-ranked provider grandfathered me and then went BSC over the lower donation. I don't know if she had forgotten, but I had the PMs of our convo. I also gave her a gift card from Macy's. WTH?
In ads and on websites, I often see a statement that a provider will be raising rates and guys who see her before a certain date will be grandfathered. Sometimes the grandfather period is specified and sometimes it is left open.
I've also seen ads and websites saying that anyone who has seen the provider within the last 6 months (sometimes 12 months) is grandfathered.
I've seen a few ads and websites saying that all prior clients are grandfathered at their initial rates.
I'm aware of some providers who grandfather no one ever, at least not officially.
If there is a norm or an expectation I have it's that, if you have seen someone at least 2x (or maybe as high as 6x), have seen her in the past 6-13 months, and there is reasonable chemistry, you should be grandfathered. But as noted, each provider is independent and decides for herself. It's not a right.
One downside to being grandfathered is the impact of human nature. If you are paying $400, for example, and others are paying $600, you may not get the appointment time you want or the provider may watch the clock more carefully.
From a hobbyist's perspective, I feel a little uncomfortable asking to be grandfathered or accepting it. But I will.
There are at least 2 women in NYC whom I really liked and saw at basically $500. They are now $700. I won't see them because they are beyond my budget. I don't know if I am grandfathered or not, but I don't want to ask
or not.
There's something to be said about gents who pay your current rates and don't question them. And it boils down to one word... Respect. Respect for her. Respect for her business. I can guarantee if she has guys paying her full rate and is having a great time with those who do, the guys who have a "need" for that discount aren't worth the bother to her. Put yourself in her shoes...would they to you? Don't take it personally, a choice can be made on both sides of the coin here.
There are just as many fish in the sea for the ladies here, as there are for the John's who book them. (if that came out right lol). Don't sweat it. Go fishing...
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50, so I naturally don't want the word "grandfather" to come up in any of my sessions.
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BPJ would say, "I'll be here all week. Don't forget to try the veal."
Touring incurs much higher costs than staying local, so it's understandable that touring ladies would not grandfather any clients. You aren't local for her, so you could never be a "regular" even if you wanted to be. Many ladies consider a "regular" to be at least once a month, over a period of several months or years.
Grandfathering is by no means standard. If a lady raises her rate, and is able to fill her schedule with good clients at the new rate, why would she keep taking appointments at the old, lower rate? Would you prefer to be paid less for doing your own job? Would you turn down a raise if it were available to you? Of course not.
I've semi-grandfathered (paying my most recent previous rate) very few clients over the years. They are special because they are VERY regular and/or they add to my life in ways that extend beyond the hours they book with me. None of them asked to be grandfathered
...until you see what these Wright Brothers been working on down Mayberry way. Some kind of flying contraption with all sorts of gizmos and doo hickeys on it.
When they get that watchamacallit off the ground, then johns can be regulars to providers they ain't be local to.
Good grief sweetie! LOL
He didn't say he'd like to buy her a plane ticket twice a month. He specifically stated he would be a regular *IF SHE WAS LOCAL*... but she isn't. This lady probably doesn't visit his city on her tours often enough for him to qualify as a "regular"
And yeah principle is involved too
The purpose of any tier pricing is to keep the dance card full. If a gal has a backlog of business or works as much as she wants, there is no benefit to offer discounts. On the other hand if she has a lot of empty slots and unwanted down time, then discounting is a way to turn zero income into some income.
Customer loyalty programs are a marketing gimmick. It doesn't really mean they like you. It is simply an effort to maximize net income.
This is exactly what grandfathering is. From my experience true grandfathering doesn't exist. Of all the ladies I used to see, who raised their rates, not one has grandfathered me. Yet, many of their ads say they do. Now I don't mind if a lady wants her new rate, but don't advertise grandfathering. That type of marketing ploy is a deal buster. But I did get one grandfathered rate, inadvertently.
I had a lady, who still advertises a grandfathered rate, tell me that I would be grandfathered at my old rate. Her marketing ploy with me was that she'd grandfather me if I paid her new, higher rate one time. I agreed, assuming she'd honor our agreement, and set up a session. The next session after that I brought the grandfathered rate, as per our verbal agreement. I received a scathing email about how I was a low life for short changing her. My reply was that I had only been following the terms of our agreement. She had forgotten the agreement, and apologized. Had she remembered the agreement, there would not have been a second session. The third time I emailed to ask for a session, she didn't reply. Go figure. She has no intention of honoring our agreement. The grandfathering offer that exists in her ad will not be honored for others as well. It is a marketing gimmick, as Lester has stated. If I see such a marketing gimmick now from any lady, it is a deal buster. Keep on scrollin' baby!
Asking her to GF is never something you should do. If you were aware of her rate increase, you should have acted accordingly, and met her new requirements. Unless she tells you otherwise, assume the rate increase applies. If her increase is something you can't live with, move on. Sorry, that's just the way it is
Oh bullshit.
She runs a business and one of the first rules of business is it's easier to keep a customer than it is to land a new one.
In this case with her "sick" excuse in previous encounter sounds like she wanted him gone for other reasons.
Your point is a good one. In fact, that last appointment, she HAD agreed to GF me (her words were "I can do _______ for you"). So: 1) all the more reason I waa disappointed in the subsequent events, and 2) presumably the decision to drop me for more lucrative clients had already happened then and there
Don't feel bad about it.
Happens to the best of us.
And if she were on top of things, she'd mention it when he contacted her.
But, wrong to assume it.
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This is also a viewpoint I wanted to hear. Because I take pride in respecting a provider's rates and never negotiating. So you're saying, you think just asking to pay the same rate as before is still negotiating?
Almost every provider I've seen has a grandfathering policy. However, one provider I've seen and believed I had been a very good client with (as with all providers) -- i.e., up-front and open in communication, respectful of time and rules, clean and well groomed, no negotiation or gimmicks with the donation -- cut off contact with me when I asked to see her at the rate we had always used.
She raised her rates, fine. But I asked her to grandfather me, and she did not respond, nor has she responded to any email of mine since.
(by the way, the last apppointment I made with this provider, she cancelled on me ("sick") an hour before the date, and I complained nary a whit)
Was I incorrect that grandfathering is the standard in the industry? Do any other providers raise their rates, refuse to grandfather, and cut off contact when it is requested?
especially because of the unique and highly interpersonal nature of the business. Thus each girl is different in her own way, and that difference and mystery is partly what I enjoy. Expecting to get something just because others do is never what I would desire or want. On the other hand, if you are patient and understanding, you sometimes will end up getting things that others do not.
If you have only seen her twice, and not really in a position to meet on a regular basis, then being grandfatherd in may not that big a deal anyway. But, it shouldn't hurt to ask and she really should have responded in some way. However, I would have discussed the issue in person and not by email.
I grandfather rates only for clients who see me on a consistent basis whether that is once every month or once every week.
For someone who for instance sees me only every 5 months, I would not grandfather his rate since he is only an occasional client.
you every 5 months, he is consistent and regular. Frequency seems to be your criteria, not consistency.
personally, I am a repeat customer, but rarely regular. I may see someone three weeks in a row and then go months without seeing them again.
to know whether the rate went up because you want him to keep seeing you and pay more money, or because you don't want to see him anymore?
And they weed out the guys who helped get them to where they are.
Better to be offered the opportunity, than ask.
How exactly was she, supposed to respond to your "keep me at a cheaper" rate.
How would you have reacted to "no".....
She could say something like, "Hey _____, I am not grandfathering any clients at this time. Happy to see you at my posted rate."
Even that, stiff and uncordial as it is, would be better than outright refusal to communicate