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I also don't complain to a dealer that their prices are too high.... Oh and I know about cars.
NaomiGrey See my TER Reviews 408 reads
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You're comparing providers to cars?  

What if you were a provider, and one day you catch herpes, or something.. do you think your price should have been lower? Because that guy who gave you that illness wanted a discount that day? No so why don't you stop whining and see girls you can afford. What was it? 125 an hour? Or get on tinder, I heard the girls give up the pussy for free on there at any time ;)  

 
Ok byeeee

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Ya know that I have been a hobbyist for a few decades and I guess my biggest gripe is ;

1. Prices; providers have to face reality that they are not lawyers , and did not school for 7-8 years and they only get paid $100-125 hr... Source http://work.chron.com/much-lawyer-make-hour-24397.html

2.The gang influence and because for the under aged girl factor the fbi and us marshalls and other law enforcement agencies are all over the hobby.

3.Pimps or wannabe ones, lol  

4. Violence towards providers by pimps, scumbag clients and predators .

5.Bait and switch , Say what you are, don't candy coat it. If a person wants Ice Cream don't say you're Ice Cream when you really are okra..

6.Make clients chase and wait for you because you overbook.

We all understand it is a give and take business and the average girl has a 3-4 year window of earning range.

 Most girls net 2-3 k a week... 40 weeks of work a year 80-120 k... times 3-4 years ...

Shaking my head... Ladies, all the new money like Bernie says is going to the top 1% and since the crash of '07-'08 my salary is the same, but donations are up by 30+% ...get real please...

Posted By: SeanNJ
Ya know that I have been a hobbyist for a few decades and I guess my biggest gripe is ;  
   
 1. Prices; providers have to face reality that they are not lawyers , and did not school for 7-8 years and they only get paid $100-125 hr... Source http://work.chron.com/much-lawyer-make-hour-24397.html  
   
 2.The gang influence and because for the under aged girl factor the fbi and us marshalls and other law enforcement agencies are all over the hobby.  
   
 3.Pimps or wannabe ones, lol  
   
 4. Violence towards providers by pimps, scumbag clients and predators .  
   
 5.Bait and switch , Say what you are, don't candy coat it. If a person wants Ice Cream don't say you're Ice Cream when you really are okra..  
   
 6.Make clients chase and wait for you because you overbook.  
   
 We all understand it is a give and take business and the average girl has a 3-4 year window of earning range.  
   
  Most girls net 2-3 k a week... 40 weeks of work a year 80-120 k... times 3-4 years ...  
   
 Shaking my head... Ladies, all the new money like Bernie says is going to the top 1% and since the crash of '07-'08 my salary is the same, but donations are up by 30+% ...get real please...

GaGambler510 reads

Sorry, it must suck to be you. Most of the rest of us seem to think most of the girls are compensated fairly, and since very few are getting rich or are ever going to approach the top 1% I don't think your gripe should be with them, but rather you should look at your own shortcomings.

And since you are the one that brought politics into this, I'll lay odds you were an Obama voter, so blame him, not the poor hookers trying to make a few bucks by satisfying a bunch of sweaty old men like yourself.

FWIW I have been seeing hookers for over 4 decades myself, and adjusted for inflation I don't see how rates have really increased at all but service is a thousand times better than in the "good old days" of yellow page ads and streetwalkers.

Posted By: GaGambler
Sorry, it must suck to be you. Most of the rest of us seem to think most of the girls are compensated fairly, and since very few are getting rich or are ever going to approach the top 1% I don't think your gripe should be with them, but rather you should look at your own shortcomings.  
   
 And since you are the one that brought politics into this, I'll lay odds you were an Obama voter, so blame him, not the poor hookers trying to make a few bucks by satisfying a bunch of sweaty old men like yourself.  
   
 FWIW I have been seeing hookers for over 4 decades myself, and adjusted for inflation I don't see how rates have really increased at all but service is a thousand times better than in the "good old days" of yellow page ads and streetwalkers.
 
It is what it is, it based on many prevailing issues as well as observations from all angles. The hay day when there was a plethora of agencies and tons of choices, this was til the mid 2000's,now all the awesome ladies straight in XXX porn ( videos, webcam sites, but not escorting )

As for me, I buy a new car still every year, my 401 earns a solid 6% annually but now I travel outside the country fun, The Dominican Republic, and Europe. The women are much more beautiful and plentiful .

GaGambler, I am quite fine

We can all bitch all we want about the prices
Sure it be nice to fuck for free , but get real  
if these prices scare you do what i do see girls that charge less  
Like 200 or 250 I'm not bitching .  
And if thats too much i ve heard that there are some places  
Where you can pick up a streetwalker with no teeth for 20 bucks .

And if thats too much ..... Masterbait !  

And if this is not an option i cant help you  
Write a letter to Bernie maybe he'll give a crap
Cause we don't !

I wasn't so lucky. Got the news a little over a week ago. Donations are what they are pay it or don't. I have been on a hobby vacation the last six weeks. Was saving to see someone on here. Now I am using that money to get ahead on bills. I have no doubt I will have another job within the next two weeks.  

Jobs are like ass holes everyone got one.  

I also want to point out  
Choices in NJ are great. I would reach out to Dreamy Danielle, Ally Vixen, and I hear Nina is great with her agency. never used them.

Posted By: SeanNJ
Ya know that I have been a hobbyist for a few decades and I guess my biggest gripe is ;  
   
 1. Prices; providers have to face reality that they are not lawyers , and did not school for 7-8 years and they only get paid $100-125 hr... Source http://work.chron.com/much-lawyer-make-hour-24397.html  
   
 2.The gang influence and because for the under aged girl factor the fbi and us marshalls and other law enforcement agencies are all over the hobby.  
   
 3.Pimps or wannabe ones, lol  
   
 4. Violence towards providers by pimps, scumbag clients and predators .  
   
 5.Bait and switch , Say what you are, don't candy coat it. If a person wants Ice Cream don't say you're Ice Cream when you really are okra..  
   
 6.Make clients chase and wait for you because you overbook.  
   
 We all understand it is a give and take business and the average girl has a 3-4 year window of earning range.  
   
  Most girls net 2-3 k a week... 40 weeks of work a year 80-120 k... times 3-4 years ...  
   
 Shaking my head... Ladies, all the new money like Bernie says is going to the top 1% and since the crash of '07-'08 my salary is the same, but donations are up by 30+% ...get real please...
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Naomi, have you ever bought a new car ?
Did you pay what was on the sticker ?

Question answered I believe

NoYellowEnvelope543 reads

Also, you do realize that discounting on services is a much different proposition than discounting on manufactured goods... don't you?

Then there's the matter of comparing people to manufactured goods...

I think you are missing the point and yes you might think I am comparing people to goods and yes on a P & L statement they are only a number... As are the layers of inflationary costs, advertising, product endorsements ( Tiger Woods and Nike ) which created an 60% increase in retail cost for the same product.... But hence the demands by stock holders "Cut labor cost by sending jobs overseas so the CEO get his same $100,000,000.00 incentive bonus and we get our 12-16% ROI

I can debate this but there always be people with 0 reviews who chime in..... Shill on friend....

 

Posted By: NoYellowEnvelope
Also, you do realize that discounting on services is a much different proposition than discounting on manufactured goods... don't you?  
   
 Then there's the matter of comparing people to manufactured goods...

NoYellowEnvelope326 reads

And, pray tell, whom am I shilling here?  Anyway, if I were to shill someone, it would be dumb to do it with an alias, don't you think?  ;)

I think you missed my simple point:  it's not valid to compare discounting of expensive manufactured goods like cars, which have large built-in markups and are usually commodities, to services offered by providers.  

But if you think it's a valid comparison, then you need to remember that there's some car models that are in such high demand that there's little if any discounting on them... and sometimes they go for over MSRP.    

I'll admit there is one aspect of car buying that applies here... if the prices of high-end cars turn you off, there's lower-priced alternatives available.  Leave those high-priced cars to those who can afford them, and appreciate their value relative to price.  

Fun fact:  do you know that a service that cost $60 in 1976 would cost $250 today, adjusted for inflation?

I think maybe you should unmask yourself and join the discussion with you real username, as I have ( as I don't always review and when it is a negative I tend to leave things as is... p.s my car is german and in the c class

NoYellowEnvelope616 reads

So you do understand the concept of going for low-end offerings vs high end (e.g. S Class).  

P.S.  You forgot to bitch 'n moan at the other posters in this thread who used their aliases. There's still time to do that!  ;)

Junior they obviously know who they are... You most certainly did

It will demolish your piece of shit plastic class C German car any day in crash. :) you  

still gonna ask for  a discount to save that to pay for a tow truck? Hahaha this thread makes me realize that you have no idea about providers lives and you're creating stats in your head based on what?

You're comparing providers to cars?  

What if you were a provider, and one day you catch herpes, or something.. do you think your price should have been lower? Because that guy who gave you that illness wanted a discount that day? No so why don't you stop whining and see girls you can afford. What was it? 125 an hour? Or get on tinder, I heard the girls give up the pussy for free on there at any time ;)  

 
Ok byeeee

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bigguy30396 reads

You never wanted deals, when shopping for a car, clothes, shoes, house etc?
Also I did not take his thread as complaining, but more of a reality check about how things have changed in this hobby.

Posted By: NaomiGrey

Also consider that gals spend 2-3 hours in marketing, sales, travel, and prep for every billable hour.  Other professions charge for those things.

They also have a lot of overhead expenses like hotels, driver, clothes, beauty shop, etc.

And, have you seen the price of shoes lately?  8o)

The hobby market is a shining example of the free market at its finest, enough to make Milton Friedman smile

bigguy30387 reads

It works both ways too.

Posted By: mrfisher
Also consider that gals spend 2-3 hours in marketing, sales, travel, and prep for every billable hour.  Other professions charge for those things.  
   
 They also have a lot of overhead expenses like hotels, driver, clothes, beauty shop, etc.  
   
 And, have you seen the price of shoes lately?  8o)  
   
 The hobby market is a shining example of the free market at its finest, enough to make Milton Friedman smile.  
   
 

Yes ladies I am sure that you'd like paying 28-33% FIT 15.3 % FICA and State taxes as well as Health Insurance and disability insurance.... Then you have a seat at the table to berate us consumers... til then....

After your assumption based on zero evidence, your entire thread is pointless.

None of your drabble makes any sense.  

Either way, we have a seat at the table to tell you what to pay us unless you completely blast past our barricades, stalk us and rape us. If you want consented sex, pay the rate. lol.

Stop being a little bitch. You can only change your own world. I suggest maybe go take some happy pills and get some therapy for your deep hatred for women.

Posted By: SeanNJ
Yes ladies I am sure that you'd like paying 28-33% FIT 15.3 % FICA and State taxes as well as Health Insurance and disability insurance.... Then you have a seat at the table to berate us consumers... til then....

But one day it will all come to a screeching stop, call it the global warming of the sex industry.....

I guarantee you it will not come to a screeching stop. Just look at this article I'm reading, that is at least a little bit better than the google search you provided on how much a lawyer makes lol!

 

Posted By: SeanNJ
But one day it will all come to a screeching stop, call it the global warming of the sex industry.....

The good news for providers is that illegality drives up the prices they can charge by weeding out potential competition who doesn't want to face the risks.  Illegality is supply restrictor.

Other than that, this is a perfect example of price as a feedback mechanism.  The price rises (or falls) until supply matches demand.  Fairness has nothing to do with it

(because of schedules, work, family, etc) not often enough.

Where are you getting those stats?  

If you have not lived that life, do not post statistics you find in some magazine possibly. You shouldn't even be discussing it as a hobbyist. Every single fact you listed is wrong. Try asking a provider,,, even better, ask a few before making an analytical statement about our lives. BTW, I, A PROVIDER worked for a business attorney for 10 years. I am a certified Paralegal in my state. I also own an operate  a graphic design LLC. I went to a reputable university and graduated with my masters.  I DID go to college for 7-8 years. paralegal classes at the university consist of the first two years of Law School.  

Please know what you're taking about before you post false statements about life you will NEVER know.  

Feel free to ask me or any of the other ladies what their life is like. Your perception and poor disposition regarding your "facts" about providers is due to poor judgement in your selection o ladies. Don't just look at their pictures and request for them. READ about them. STUDY them. FOLLOW them online. ASK questions about the specific lady BEFORE you make aa request. PLEASE do not gripe based upon your perception of it especially when you haven't done your research properly.  

 
 

Posted By: SeanNJ
Ya know that I have been a hobbyist for a few decades and I guess my biggest gripe is ;  
   
 1. Prices; providers have to face reality that they are not lawyers , and did not school for 7-8 years and they only get paid $100-125 hr... Source http://work.chron.com/much-lawyer-make-hour-24397.html  
   
 2.The gang influence and because for the under aged girl factor the fbi and us marshalls and other law enforcement agencies are all over the hobby.  
   
 3.Pimps or wannabe ones, lol  
   
 4. Violence towards providers by pimps, scumbag clients and predators .  
   
 5.Bait and switch , Say what you are, don't candy coat it. If a person wants Ice Cream don't say you're Ice Cream when you really are okra..  
   
 6.Make clients chase and wait for you because you overbook.  
   
 We all understand it is a give and take business and the average girl has a 3-4 year window of earning range.  
   
  Most girls net 2-3 k a week... 40 weeks of work a year 80-120 k... times 3-4 years ...  
   
 Shaking my head... Ladies, all the new money like Bernie says is going to the top 1% and since the crash of '07-'08 my salary is the same, but donations are up by 30+% ...get real please...

I'm not sure you are able to do that. I am guessing you are paid by the hour at your job, and you don't have to put any expense into the company, nor market their brand or maintain their reputation. Of course, you have to do your job well and collect your paycheck. You turn in your mileage and meal checks for reimbursement, and your medical insurance is automatically drawn out of your paycheck.

So these lawyers who have gone to school for however many years - those are the guys who have never negotiated with me. They are the #1 type of client I attract. (I blabber a lot, apparently they like yacking providers lol!)

Based on my experience, the guys who try to lowball or try to put "sense into my head" about my rates - were the guys who got paid an identical check every week, with no business expenses subtracted, taxes already withdrawn, and life/health insurance, plus disability packages and workman's comp waiting should anything go wrong. And then that second check they get for all of their fully reimbursed mileage and meals for any business related conferences, etc. (I'm talking full reimbursement, not write-offs.)

So yeah, I'm guessing you are an hourly or salary guy.

P.S. All of the problems you are listing are problems you are going to run into with very low priced providers, (hourly rates lower than a hundred bucks call for a much higher demand in the sex industry. Good luck with that.)

By the way, a good lawyer charges hella more than 100 bucks per hour in major metropolitan areas.

Keep getting those hundred dollar hookers. They may be just as great, but you're going to be sitting in line after four other dudes, because the demand is extremely high at that rate. Been there, done that, and sucked about 10 dicks a day until someone told me that's not how it has to be. LOL
 

Posted By: SeanNJ
Ya know that I have been a hobbyist for a few decades and I guess my biggest gripe is ;  
   
 1. Prices; providers have to face reality that they are not lawyers , and did not school for 7-8 years and they only get paid $100-125 hr... Source http://work.chron.com/much-lawyer-make-hour-24397.html  
   
 2.The gang influence and because for the under aged girl factor the fbi and us marshalls and other law enforcement agencies are all over the hobby.  
   
 3.Pimps or wannabe ones, lol  
   
 4. Violence towards providers by pimps, scumbag clients and predators .  
   
 5.Bait and switch , Say what you are, don't candy coat it. If a person wants Ice Cream don't say you're Ice Cream when you really are okra..  
   
 6.Make clients chase and wait for you because you overbook.  
   
 We all understand it is a give and take business and the average girl has a 3-4 year window of earning range.  
   
  Most girls net 2-3 k a week... 40 weeks of work a year 80-120 k... times 3-4 years ...  
   
 Shaking my head... Ladies, all the new money like Bernie says is going to the top 1% and since the crash of '07-'08 my salary is the same, but donations are up by 30+% ...get real please...


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Do they give you their bank statements or something?

Net 2-3K per week? Gimme some of that please! (P.S. Ask your lawyer or doctor friends how much they net per week lol!)

Every couple of pages there is a hobbyists complaining about providers' high prices. *major eye roll* dude if you can't afford her time go see someone's who's time you can afford. It's THAT simple. Or do you actually feel that entitled that you'd waste time writing this vitriolic garbage ?

JakeFromStateFarm540 reads

And most of it partly or completely wrong.
1) What does a hooker's price have to do with the years of schooling she has?  Zero.  Smart girls simply price what the market will bear, or enough to get her the income she wants.  What a lawyer makes is totally irrelevant.
2) What "gang influence?"  Generally, there's little or none, especially with independent girls.  Same with the under age girl factor and the myth that the FBI and other LE agencies is "all over the hobby."  Prove it.  Don't bother. You can't.  Most LE activity is local.  And sporadic.
3) Almost no TER girls are pimped in the traditional sense.  A few have boyfriends or husbands but they are not turning them out.  Lots of the girls here have other jobs.
4) There's always violence but what makes you think there's more these days?
5) Bait and switch is as old as this game.  What makes you think there's more now?
6) Overbooking?  Same question.
Sorry you haven't gotten a raise, but you claim you buy a new Merc every year so why should anyone shed a tear for you?  Try getting a new one every other year and get laid more.  Even more important, get a new attitude.
PS: I've been doing this a long time, too.  Prices over the past 6 years are generally flat.

As a man of average means who started the hobby because the dating game is so rigged, and as you get older your choices grow colder, I feel that at least a couple of hours with a beautiful exotic woman on occasion is well worth the investment. Yeah, I have to save my pennies up, but any hobby costs money. I would rather get fucked by an escort, than raped by a lawyer.

To be fair, the lawyer just holds you down.

Posted By: mrblond68
I would rather get fucked by an escort, than raped by a lawyer.

I was going to keep to myself but after reading all the posts I couldn't resist.

I hope all of us guys realize that providers talk to one another.  I've even been told by a regular of mine that there's even some sort of app where the girls can alert other girls about a guy...good or bad.  Keep in mind that complainining about donations here will definitely get a providers attention....in a negative way.

As for me, I don't need a brand new car every 1-3 years.  I'd rather pay cash to get a solidly built car, foreign or domestic.  It's also somewhat difficult getting a new car every year when you have two teens who just recently got their licenses, alimony, mortgage, food, utilities, misc bills, and CAR INSURANCE!  Kudos to you if you can drop the bills each year to upgrade your German made C-class vehicle.

 
In closing, the only thing left that I can say is, ahhhhh, arrogance, ya gotta love it! :-)

 
Remember guys, have fun and play safe

D.

So at an average of $250-$350 per hour in my metro area, that's a one hour date once every two or three months.  Do you see me on the boards bitching about provider's rates?  NO!!!  If I'm going to bitch about something, it will be something more bitchable, like our stupid 2-party government system that's raping the middle class.  That is the real problem, not escort rates.

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