your SD profile, do you mention that you're a monger. She's basically doing the same thing you are, so don't be a hypocrite. If you tell her that you *know* "she's a pro", what response do you think you're going to get back. You don't have to see her. When you know too much, it's often best to say nothing. --z
Say you meet online a lady from a SB site. You stay in touch and then she appears on a provider site. You have been in contact via a SB site for awhile so do you need to let her know of your knowledge that she is a pro?
And for you ladies that do both? Would your game change.
your SD profile, do you mention that you're a monger. She's basically doing the same thing you are, so don't be a hypocrite. If you tell her that you *know* "she's a pro", what response do you think you're going to get back. You don't have to see her. When you know too much, it's often best to say nothing. --z
That a SB (a woman who takes money for sex) is a provider (a woman who takes money for sex). I honestly don't see the difference, no matter how much the SB's want there to be.
I'm new so I'm not completely sure on this one, but I thought if u had a SB then she would be exclusive to you? No? Then what's the point? Is it less money to have a SB?
Maybe someone could explain the SB rules? I get the provider rules, they're simple. 1 hour $400 then get out! See ya next time!
There's also a wide variety between providers--some providers are UTR and only see a few trusted clients. Then there are high volume providers who have multiple appts per day. You're dealing in a complex, secretive world. If you want exclusivity, then find an SO and drop off the P4P sites. --
I thinks guys who do the SB thing want the " illusion" that she is more exclusive.
If they only knew.
Sugar Rules: There are no rules. There are providers on the sugar sites. But that doesn't mean all SBs are providers. Typically an SB is more selective than a provider and sees fewer people. Most SBs want to see your photos before meeting you. Then the first date is in a public place. So there are differences. But I always assume my SB has a BF and another SD. You should assume that about your SB as well.
There's also a wide variety between providers--some providers are UTR and only see a few trusted clients. Then there are high volume providers who have multiple appts per day. You're dealing in a complex, secretive world. If you want exclusivity, then find an SO and drop off the P4P sites. --z
1) It's legal. When was the last time you heard of an SD getting busted.
2) No ticking clock. It's really nice when you don't have to worry about time. I can't imagine going back on the clock for anyone.
3) Top tier College SBs are definitely more selective. I sometimes get dropped right after a photo exchange, or after a first date. That's not illusion. That's painfully real.
4) In my town, the hottest girls are on the sugar sites. That may not be true everywhere.
5) The sex is usually way better with a wide open menu, because she's chosen you. And she wants you to stick around.
To be fair, there are also disadvantages of having an SB (versus hobby):
1) An arrangement (with a top tier SB) is usually way more expensive--regular allowance + gifts.
2) Lack of variety.
3) Dumping an SB can be tricky & messy, no such problem in the hobby. --z
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The 'illusion of exclusivity' may be true about some SDs, but I have no such illusions. But there are other benefits of having an SB:
1) It's legal. When was the last time you heard of an SD getting busted.
Prostitution is illegal.
Stop giving out stupid advice. There might be some morons here who actually believe your posts.
sugar baby=prostitute
Prostitution is illegal. Stop giving out stupid advice. There might be some morons here who actually believe your posts.
An arrangement is quite legal, unless you explicitly offer a direct exchange of cash for sex. That's solicitation. You should stop writing stupid posts. --z
Maybe get your lazy ass off of here and discuss this "arrangement" with your friends at the DA's offices. They don't agree with your answers. If you don't have any friends in LE, let me know and I'd be happy to put some in contact with you.
I'm sure you also believe that the envelope offers protection.
And that Santa Clause can fit down your chimney.
Please take some lessons in being less stupid. They are online as well. Just use Google.
An arrangement is quite legal, unless you explicitly offer a direct exchange of cash for sex. That's solicitation. You should stop writing stupid posts. --z
I'm sure that the prostitutes you call sugar babies tell you that they aren't really prostitutes. That's fine, you can believe them.
Maybe get your lazy ass off of here and discuss this "arrangement" with your friends at the DA's offices. They don't agree with your answers. If you don't have any friends in LE, let me know and I'd be happy to put some in contact with you.
I'm sure you also believe that the envelope offers protection.
And that Santa Clause can fit down your chimney.
Please take some lessons in being less stupid. They are online as well. Just use Google.
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There is no legal definition of sugar baby. Court cases have differentiated between mistresses and prostitutes. Being a mistress is the legal equivalent of being a girlfriend. You can give your girlfriend cash, tons of it. The court isn't going to delve into her head to determine if she's in it for love or money. Same with a mistress.
Prostitution is rather specific in its legal circumstances. Most LE busts are clients contacting people they've never met before (which turn out to be LE personnel) and therefore there is no evidence of a pre-existing relationship. Money for sex is plainly evident.
Providers with regular clients are almost never going to be busted by LE because both provider and client have already established that neither is LE. So even if each encounter is pay-for-sex, LE is never going to know about it.
It it is even more remote that LE would ever catch wind of a SB/SD arrangement. So even though a mistress is not considered to be engaged in prostitution, it is largely irrelevant because LE is never going to be in the position to establish any kind of case.
So yes, SB/SD are legal as long as there isn't an explicit hourly tie of money for sex.
1) It's legal. When was the last time you heard of an SD getting busted.
sugar baby=prostitute
Prostitution is illegal.
The only person with whom you do not have sex
Exactly. There are no Sugar Police. No Escort Police. No Marriage Police. No Betrothal Police.
Arrangements may follow familiar patterns, or they may not.
And for you ladies that do both? Would your game change.
The only time you need to let an SB know that you know she is actually a hooker is when she tried to get all "virginal" with you and starts trying to string you along for "gifts" etc before putting out? At that point it's perfectly acceptable to simply call her by her hooker name and cut through the bullshit.
and not sure I ever will.
My take on it is that guys think they will get the best of both worlds, i.e., low price and deep affection.
However my fear is that they could end up with the worst of both, i.e., lots of add-on costs and short shrift.
I kind of like it when the rules are more set
I get both in the sugar bowl.
I think the sugar bowl is a horrible for guys who fall in love easily, who can't say no to a woman, or who can't walk away from a bad relationship, as it's quite possible that you are exactly correct that such a guy could very easily end up with the worst of both worlds, but for a guy with his nutsack fully intact and in his own possession the Sugar World truly can offer the best of both worlds, with a definite overlap into the traditional P4P world.
I don't know if my own results are even close to the norm, but I get laid on the "first date" about half the time in the Sugar World, with no more advance booking than the average TER member puts into booking with a provider. I would say of the sugar babies that sleep with me on the first date, maybe a quarter to a third of them are simply hookers crossing over into the sugar world and the "dates" were nothing more than sessions just like with a hooker with no repeats required or even expected just like with any other hooker. The rest of them ended up with some kind of relationship coming out of it, some short term, some longer.
I think for guys who like "set" rules, TER is the place for them, not SA
I'm SURE back when I was on those sites, I've talked to some dudes here.
They were very possessive, and didn't pay out shit. Some try to pimp you out, some try to pay by "teaching you about life" - get a life. LOL.
But if any woman decides to quit escorting, and go on Million Dollar Sugar Baby, that is a more legit site, where you get the Donald Trumps, etc. The dudes are interviewed and checked out to be legit, and so are the girls.
Now - you're going to pay out more lol! But these sugar daddy sites, OMG I remember being on the phone with one dude who was making for darned sure I was going to have babies, and I was going to "spank" the kids
God, that was just the weirdest, most fucked up shit I've ever encountered. LOL. I'd rather meet them here, and interview them by seeing them pay full rate for a while, then move into arrangements plus gifts or something after I've learned they're not psychos.
IDK if being a Sugar Baby with stingy men is a good idea, because they want ALL of your time - 24/7, on call... and if you don't come over, they accuse you of moonlighting, when you have your period.
Just weird, weird people. lol
Why you seem to attract "weirdos" like a magnet. And love to rant about it. You are one strange babe.
Some guys are looking for a non-exclusive arrangements. I was doing this on the old CL long before they called it "sugar dating."
Do you really think that because a site calls itself "million dollar" means that you get the Donald Trumps? The super rich are not going to join a sugar site.
Just because a guy is well off does not mean he is going to piss it away. Back to square for the gold diggers.
They were very possessive, and didn't pay out shit. Some try to pimp you out, some try to pay by "teaching you about life" - get a life. LOL.
But if any woman decides to quit escorting, and go on Million Dollar Sugar Baby, that is a more legit site, where you get the Donald Trumps, etc. The dudes are interviewed and checked out to be legit, and so are the girls.
Now - you're going to pay out more lol! But these sugar daddy sites, OMG I remember being on the phone with one dude who was making for darned sure I was going to have babies, and I was going to "spank" the kids
God, that was just the weirdest, most fucked up shit I've ever encountered. LOL. I'd rather meet them here, and interview them by seeing them pay full rate for a while, then move into arrangements plus gifts or something after I've learned they're not psychos.
IDK if being a Sugar Baby with stingy men is a good idea, because they want ALL of your time - 24/7, on call... and if you don't come over, they accuse you of moonlighting, when you have your period.
Just weird, weird people. lol
You wouldn't think the governor of NY would patronize an escort service, or the president get oval office blow jobs from barely teen interns. Don't underestimate the stupidity of some men driven by their peckers.
We did learn, though, through Clinton's legal troubles, that being high status (gov of Arkansas) he didn't have to pay for it. Plenty of women were throwing it at him. So yeah, I think rich or famous or high status guys get a lot of unsolicited offers and don't usually have to pay for it -- until the jilted lover seeks her pound of flesh revenge and goes public on the guy.
I don't care what she does when she is not with me, and I don't want any woman 24/7. Except during that "new" phase, when the infatuation is at it's highest, once or twice a week with any woman is plenty. Sometimes in the beginning I will want to see a woman "all the time", but that wears off in a week or two at the longest.
I am finding that rotating a half dozen different Sugar Babies, replacing them as they fall off due to attrition, along with seeing a hooker once a week or so is just the right mix for someone like me, but the "would be" sugar babies who expect weeks of "wooing" along with even a penny of "allowance" and then countless thousands of monthly upkeep from the likes of me most definitely need to keep looking, I am NOT their man. lol
by how much money the SD has. If it doesn't pan out,
ho hum, let's try again.
My choice would be someone who's a sweetheart by nature and a freak in bed.
I'd like to post more threads on the sugarbowl, but not sure where those threads should go now. I was posting on the Erotic Highway board, but the monstrous "Tell Us Your Story" thread has sucked all the oxygen out of the room. They won't age that thread, it's really long, & it's really stale. Sugarbowl posts seem out of place on the GD board--I think people come here looking for hobby advice. --z
He should start his own board and quit posting such stupid and incorrect information on this one.
He may have someone who really doesn't know any better believing his nonsense.
I expect that Zangari is just an old fat dude who has never seen a prostitute, sugar baby, escort or any other woman for that matter.
He probably thinks that the Starz GFE show is an actual adaptation well. What a crock of shit.
It's about as certain as that I actually wear khakis. I hope you can do better.
If he doesn't bareback them, then he's doubly stupid for choosing a handle that implies that he does, therefore landing himself on a whole lot of DNS lists.
I doubt the person in question books with that handle. Shhhhhhhh!
if you're getting laid as her SD at a cheaper rate than her provider donation, keep it to yourself.
If you're not getting laid as her SD but she's also providing, you have to wonder why she hasn't opened that menu to you. mentioning that you know she's a provider won't change that she doesn't want to fuck you.