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Not to over complicate things here, but it is rather simple.  If you have a penis, use the male bathroom, if you have a vagina, use the women's bathroom.  I don't discriminate, and I do not support discrimination against anyone whether they are straight, gay, transgender, other, black, white, purple, it doesn't matter.  There is too much PC going around and it is to the point where people cannot have their own opinion without someone calling them racist or immediately jumping down their throat.  

According to the book definition transgender is as follows: Denoting or relating to a person whose self-identity does not conform unambiguously to conventional notions of male or female gender.  

Of course there are some gray areas, those who have began, are in the process (taking hormones) of or already have transitioned (had the surgery) etc.  Then there is the other category, men who get a thrill out of crossdressing.  So if Joe Smo wanted to wear a dress that day then she would be a she and would be allowed to use the females bathroom?  Sorry I do not agree with that.  However, if Joe has transitioned into Jane and has had the surgery, then I do believes she should be allowed to use the female facilities.  

Overall I think the U.S. is entering into a dangerous time where anyone can challenge and cause an issue to become mainstream. What's next, a person who self-identifies as a murderer will be allowed to kill freely with no consequence? A klepto will be allowed to steal as long as it's under X amount of ounces?  A pedophile will be allowed to have sex with children because he/she self identifies as child, and that child would not be protected because he or she identifies as an adult

What do you personally think about these new laws about transgender people and bathrooms?

..gays have finally gained equality under the law. Transgender's day will come. Caitlyn Jenner put that on the map. So...who should SHE thank for putting HER on the map.....Annie Liebovitz. That photo made a huge fucking impact.

Bullshit
Gays make up 2-3 percent of the population, depending on which data you look at.
That means trans are probably about 1/4th of one percent.  
I'm totally against discrimination in any form whether it be race, religion or sexual preference  
But imposing stupid laws that 95% of the population don't even understand creates more resentment and discrimination.  
Until the LGBT community understands that their sexual preference and personal lives should stay personal there'll always be haters
Example? When was the last time you were standing in the office and said" you know, last night, Fred made me drink all of his cum"
What goes on behind closed doors...something we are all quite familiar with...should always be kept private.

...based on your scores your are throwing your money away. Then again at $100 - 200 a pop it's not much money.

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I agree. This PC crap is getting out of hand.  

Posted By: bocabuster
Bullshit  
 Gays make up 2-3 percent of the population, depending on which data you look at.  
 That means trans are probably about 1/4th of one percent.  
 I'm totally against discrimination in any form whether it be race, religion or sexual preference  
 But imposing stupid laws that 95% of the population don't even understand creates more resentment and discrimination.  
 Until the LGBT community understands that their sexual preference and personal lives should stay personal there'll always be haters  
 Example? When was the last time you were standing in the office and said" you know, last night, Fred made me drink all of his cum"  
 What goes on behind closed doors...something we are all quite familiar with...should always be kept private.

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It's not how you self identify sexually, but how others, including children would identify you.  

Now that said, I don't see how anyone would know that even a Pre Op TS person with a nine inch schlong, but dressed as a woman, acting like a woman and for all intents and purposes is a woman except for the fact "she" is packing meat, that that person was technically a man unless she were to be waving her dick around for all to see.

Truthfully, I don't have real strong feelings on this subject one way or another and I could probably be rather easily swayed by a strong argument from either side of the issue.

What I do find disturbing is just about everything else in these new laws coming out of NC and other place that gives bigots a right to discriminate against just about anyone that their "religion" tells them are sinners. I really don't think these laws have been thought out too thoroughly as they open the door for people of other religions, think Muslims here, to discriminate against Christians under cover of the same "pro discrimination" laws that are being passed. How are these "Good Christians" going to feel when they become victims of their own laws allowing bigotry?

but back to your original question, I really don't care much who pees where.  I think there are already laws on the books making it a crime to be waving your dick around little girls, so I don't see any reason for any new laws personally.

What come to mu mind - what is TS is a lesbian?  Or how easy it would be for Gentlemen just dress up as woman and start use lady s washrooms.
Some Like It Hot  
(love this movie)

But any way who does care?  

Female restroom any way is private -but in states NOT enough private/
 
- may be in states we need to build just more private washrooms - as most in Europe? Not as you can pass toilet paper to each other and see each other feet?

 I need to admit - I am pretty innocent and naive about that kind of things.

- I never met TS in intimate setting - so to speak never even saw TS naked and do not have idea if their equipment is functional?  

But I  know  that some TS actually do love women.. and they do have equipment.

 can it be  erected and can be used .. as man use this?

 Can their  ejaculate?.. make babies and generally be aroused toward to women?  I think of course ..

What will take place if TS is a LESBIAN ?

Lesbian with male equipment in lady washroom... Hmm.. progressive !!
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Interesting .

 I have not been intimate  with TS - just danced few times in clubs - amazing people - and  was  all over me just as man would be..( Most TS still process information and their mind wired as man's brain- you can see that in their writing and way how they do things)

I would not go with him/ her to the same restroom - better to say - I would  go - and I will see man in him her even is he/she wore female outfits.
I would go if I  am freind with him her - as I would go to restroom with any man or woman with whom  am friend - but have a stranger- may be 100 % straight male who just dressed as a male in restoroon and he ma be  sex offender and rapist?  
We women then need all know Russian Martial  art

 By the way men also love to dress up - I never will forget how very first time  one of my lovers arrived to may place all dressed up in silk stockings, garters, hills. and lingerie - yes he ddid entered my apartment all dressed up with lipstick and was saying - OMG OMG OMG hope no one saw me in this outfits - he have had amazing style .. AMAZING - not every woman would dress with such taste ..  
 we have had amazing time and he have had amazing equipment ..
I still see TS somewhat that way - may be I just do not know them - and those whom I know acted toward to me as men and wow if they would have equipment  this would be great time.:)

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Ur post was a blend of fancy - bbfs4ever - bigguy30 - poor English skills. All smashed into one post. Pretty cool I must say. Interesting? Not in the least.  

Most tgirls think like men? Wtf very non judgmental of you.

Same way as I would not use same restroom with stranger male.  I would use washroom with TS or female or male I know - no problem  

No matter is TS is lesbian or not - as long as I know the person.  
TS is very cool people -  love to party with those - yet I never been intimate and would not be - BUT  once in one club  fancy club - TS on the show - it was Vega - he she picked me up for dance - we danced the way so TS even went to manager asking him to hire me and wanted take our friendship  closer.. would I go t washroom with such person ? if Iam not ready for  sexual contact  with him/ her? No .
 Many women out there  even less experienced then I am :)  
 No mistake dear -- I love Love love TS people  for a company and would use washroom  as long as there no sexual tension at all - as girls- yes .. but we are talking here about PUBLIC restrooms - it is not all about  feeling of TS - but about feeling of other women as as well.

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After reading this convoluted mess by BBBBB that I think was in agreement with my initial argument about "equipment" I think I have changed my mind and now agree with Bill Maher. "If you look like a man, use the men's room. If you look like a woman, use the ladies room. If you look like BBBBB,  please hop a plane back to Russia" Well maybe that wasn't the exact quote, but close enough, right? lol

If someone like you were to use the ladies bathroom, I doubt anyone would ever know a person with a penis were in the ladies bathroom, OTOH I can imagine a father would have a lot of explaining to do to his 8 year old son if he were to ask why that lady was using the boy's room if you were to use it all dolled up for a date.

If you hadn't already noticed of course, BBBBB is one of the most judgmental people on this board. No big surprise that she comes down on this side of the issue.

All 15 + years in states I just crying form laughing reading what arrogant and non intelligent people have said me :)  
If I will took all to heart - I would be already DEAD  yet I am still speaking my mind and never hiding true feelings to be politically correct and not afraid to be different.

So read it  

As  an intelligent  woman I abel to explain my process of thinking  so it be logical - could you do the same?

 I Doubt!

 Your post about male equipment of TS - painted VERY visual picture in my mind -  dressed as a female person with big equipment ( or small one who cares - but I never before that was thinking about TS at all .and OMG that they have male members? That did not cross my mind :)
I am naive thanks for pointing it out..
 
Then my natural humor  which is witty and on the edge of satire .. and we all know that controling people do not like satire and humor -  re call who said following  
 It is hard for controlling freaks   to enjoy or incorporate humour and satire in its system of control.
 Judgement is not bad  at all and is evidence of  system values . What is yours? None. Zero. Say hello to your mama.

As to TS - I do not have any feelings about them - as they are not part of my world.
 Some seldom occurrences in my life  when I met those interesting people - would remain SELDOM for me  
 That is not good nor bad. And should not be judged  
Living in states I took red necks culture  as a part of this country culture .. what to do - Yes do you exists. So I do exists too. and many other people exists as well - as many people so many judgements. That never occurred to you?
All Fokus Pokus- to meet those whom you can relate.

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Not to over complicate things here, but it is rather simple.  If you have a penis, use the male bathroom, if you have a vagina, use the women's bathroom.  I don't discriminate, and I do not support discrimination against anyone whether they are straight, gay, transgender, other, black, white, purple, it doesn't matter.  There is too much PC going around and it is to the point where people cannot have their own opinion without someone calling them racist or immediately jumping down their throat.  

According to the book definition transgender is as follows: Denoting or relating to a person whose self-identity does not conform unambiguously to conventional notions of male or female gender.  

Of course there are some gray areas, those who have began, are in the process (taking hormones) of or already have transitioned (had the surgery) etc.  Then there is the other category, men who get a thrill out of crossdressing.  So if Joe Smo wanted to wear a dress that day then she would be a she and would be allowed to use the females bathroom?  Sorry I do not agree with that.  However, if Joe has transitioned into Jane and has had the surgery, then I do believes she should be allowed to use the female facilities.  

Overall I think the U.S. is entering into a dangerous time where anyone can challenge and cause an issue to become mainstream. What's next, a person who self-identifies as a murderer will be allowed to kill freely with no consequence? A klepto will be allowed to steal as long as it's under X amount of ounces?  A pedophile will be allowed to have sex with children because he/she self identifies as child, and that child would not be protected because he or she identifies as an adult

I spend such a small percentage of my days in public restrooms to begin with and tend to just get my business done and get out...and rarely do I even bother taking note who's in there with me...that the entire subject has almost no direct impact on my life...

But, if I had to voice an opinion it's simply this...require all toilets and urinals to be enclosed and make all restrooms unisex...then the subject is no longer an issue...

If gender doesn't matter in which toilet you use, then if you have male bits, use the male toilet.

If you insist on using the female toilet and you have male bits, then it DOES matter to you.  So stop telling us it shouldn't matter to us.

I actually think what people do in their own private lives is none of my business.  But lately it seems that everyone is into forcing everyone else, by law, to not only accept their lifestyle, but provide for it.

It really turned me off to see some gay couples search out a cake making business just to ruin that business and drive the owner out of business.  It's not like there one only one cake maker in the universe.   They purposely targeted someone for destruction -- aka social justice warriors.

That's not a push for diversity, that is a push for conformity.

While I agree that it's wrong to target bigoted businesses simply to put them out of business, I also believe that the moment you open your business to the public you have no right to pick and choose who you will serve, especially if it violates civil rights laws. It's discrimination pure and simple and if you can't accept that your services s/b available to everyone then maybe it's time to get out of business.

But this is not the issue at hand, and it's been addressed to death already, so back now to the original topic :)

 
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Let's put your principles to a test -- a KKK/Nazi convention is in town and has asked you to provider your special services.  What would you do?

Posted By: lopaw
While I agree that it's wrong to target bigoted businesses simply to put them out of business, I also believe that the moment you open your business to the public you have no right to pick and choose who you will serve, especially if it violates civil rights laws. It's discrimination pure and simple and if you can't accept that your services s/b available to everyone then maybe it's time to get out of business.  

I wouldn't like it much, but I serve them unless they proved to be a danger to me or my other customers.

I admire your principles.  

Posted By: lopaw
I wouldn't like it much, but I serve them unless they proved to be a danger to me or my other customers.

As a business you can't discriminate against a protected class but otherwise you sure can refuse service.  

On the multi-gender bathroom thing. As stated there are already laws in place to protect against indecent exposure.  

My baseline position is idgaf what anyone does as long as it doesn't infringe on others ability to life/liberty/etc.  

I personally give to multiple lgbt non-profits. If someone truly presents as a male or female regardless of anatomy they should be able to use the bathroom that matches(and really, nobody should notice anything unusual). If I, a male with a beard, decided one day to get off watching little girls pee I should spend the night in jail, IMO.  

In college we had full on mixed gender bathrooms, never had an issue but that was college and no minors. Plus it was understood it was a mixed facility.  

Posted By: lester_prairie
Let's put your principles to a test -- a KKK/Nazi convention is in town and has asked you to provider your special services.  What would you do?  
   
Posted By: lopaw
While I agree that it's wrong to target bigoted businesses simply to put them out of business, I also believe that the moment you open your business to the public you have no right to pick and choose who you will serve, especially if it violates civil rights laws. It's discrimination pure and simple and if you can't accept that your services s/b available to everyone then maybe it's time to get out of business.  
 

If you look like a girl - use the girls bathroom

If you look like a guy - use the men's bathroom

If you have a beard but wear a dress - hold it till u get home

LoL

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but I can't say that I disagree with "everything" he says, I have to admit I agree he nailed it this time.

My biggest concern was for the children and the awkward questions that might have to be addressed, but which is more likely to happen, a little boy asking his dad why that "woman" was using the men's room? or a little girl ever even knowing a TS person was not actually a woman "down there"??? As I said in my earlier post, there are already laws about waving your dick around in front of little girls, and short of that, how is any little girl, or grown woman for that matter going to know the "woman" in the next stall is packing meat. It really should be a non-issue.

...any cis man will "decide on the spot" that he feels womanly that day and decide to use the ladies room on a whim. Yeah-that happens alot. Or that any cis man with devious intentions will invade a ladies room simply because he legally can. That happens NOW.

*smh*

Up until a few minutes ago, that was illegal.  So of course it was uncommon.  

Posted By: lopaw
...any cis man will "decide on the spot" that he feels womanly that day and decide to use the ladies room on a whim. Yeah-that happens alot.

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But unfortunately they are sandwiched in between decades of hateful partisan vitriol that is most definitely NOT smart or even funny for that matter.

That is very clear and I hope the Supreme Court makes quick work of them, but I won't hold my breath.

As for which restroom to use, I think the division is stupid.  All restrooms should be multi-gender.  All have stalls so if you want privacy, use a stall.  If you want to use the urinal, then fine.  I don't care if the person next to me is male or female.  (Did you know that at one time there was a female urinal made?  Go look it up on the net.)

I would have thought that by now society would have gotten past this stage

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Honestly - not really sure I see the point of separate facilities  - especially if you aren't going to restrict usage.  

And - as a practical matter, if you are a passable TS (or even close to passable), who's going "check" - or stick around for LE to show up....

I remember back in the day - the girls had no trouble using the guys room in a club (or even a stadium) when the gal's room was full up - and I presume that still happens....

From a building point of view - you could probably free up some space if you didn't have to have separate facilities..

Parents out in pubic with young children, for generations, have taken their child into the restroom of the parent's gender, regardless of the child's. Thus, fathers with young daughters have taken them into the men's room (in fact, I just saw that the other day) and mothers with young son's have taken them into the ladies room.   So why now is there such an uproar about children being in a restroom with people of a different gender, or at least how some interpret gender?    

Could this be a way to ease the unemployment problem in this country? You know, by establishing a whole new industry:  gender inspector.  Time to bring back X-ray specs which were always so popular in the back of comic books.  What a great potential investment as they will now be standard equipment to... well, to check out standard equipment.    

Could it possibly be that this is a presidential election year and abortion has run its course so some people who hold the bible in one hand and secretly hang out on TER while their spouses are asleep now believe we need a new wedge issue?  Oh, that's rhetorical.

Here's a question I'd rather the electorate focus on: why the hell aren't there term limits on these career politicians bought and paid for by special interests? That's rhetorical too

Really in today's time who are we to judge? If a man wants to become a women or vice versa. Let them. What other people do with there lives isn't any of our business.

As for sharing space with transgender people. I'm not offended or concerned. They're just as afraid of the thought of being harass or harm as any of us. Let the people take a piss.

My concern will only come from a senseless perv who dresses up as a women to go into the ladies room. That is where a problem will arise for me.

Should it be the local government? The state government? the federal government?
Or, and I know this is a radical idea, the person who needs to use the toilet. '
Let's see now....this is difficult...'

I should not be making a mocking comment. I knew a transgender lady --and this was at least 15 years ago-- who was stuck with a passport that labeled her a man and she could not get it changed and ran into difficulty crossing borders when she traveled.

It's another attempt by the party that screams about smaller government while creating new ways for the government to be involved in how lives are lived.. The party of pro-life.. no social support and now dropping your pants before entering a bathroom is amazing..  

If a person enters a bathroom and looks like a woman or a man.. who will question them about their true identity.. maybe cameras over seeing the stalls in a bathroom with willing voyeurs looking for transgressions (pun intended).

Gays and transgendered are not the same thing.
But the NC and other states that have passed bathroom laws ( all states firmly in control by a certain political party ) have used the hysteria of a predator getting into a bathroom to get your kid as a means to attach additional laws that permit discrimination.  For sample the NC diner that can no longer refuse service to colored folk can now refuse to serve gays.
Kinda liked the voter fraud hoax there is no evidence that anyone has been  threatened by a transgendered in a bathroom , but what ev......

Discrimination is discrimination.....race , nationality , religion , chromosome's , sexual orientation .....political views. All things  that are protected under our constitution .  Makes no dif what percentage of our population it might be.

I guess it rally's the base

The presumption that a gay person is a pedophile knocks me out.. The same assumption is made about transgendered people.. That somehow how a person is wired becomes harmful behavior to others is disgusting and simply ignorant.. I'm sure that a gay person or a transgendered person has no interest in children.. complete jerks.

Go with what you need to do. Odds are that anyone in a dress or skirt will not opt go a urinal, let let what happens in the stall stay there.  
My heart bleeds for the trans high school kids. Laws like these are sentencing these kids to guaranteed bullying, and possible bodily harm or death. Who the hell do these "lawmakers" think their kidding? I can't imagine the terror kids feel being forced to run a potential gauntlet everyday.

I wonder what the passing of that law was really all about. I doubt if they were truly "looking out" for residences of the State. Maybe someone can point to other examples of how they care about people, but it mystifies me because I don't see how it has been economically beneficial.

That said, probably some will be uncomfortable with transgender people sharing the bathroom not based on how they look and act but only on the gender assigned at birth. As many? I don't know.

But people are made uncomfortable every day all over the world. Some discomforts are worse than others. Who else is in a public bathroom usually is not that severe

I recently checked the national statistics, according to one source the total number is about 700,000 or 0.3% of the total U.S. population.  So this law or bill that is receiving so much attention, to me it isn't the issue.  The issue is how comfortable the majority population would feel about walking into a public restroom whether it is with a child and maybe having to explain this to them.  I don't see the bathroom portion as discrimination, now the hiring of, firing of, denying service to for being transgender is big issue for me.  At the end of the day, people are people, and no-one should be treated in a negative manner because of how they choose to live their lives.  What I do find odd, and retouching on what was said earlier, is that everybody seems to be an advocate for, and I haven't seen anyone come out with a against stance.  ESPN, ABC, NBC, etc all seem  to be for.  

Now I'm not super fluent in the political realm, but what I do feel odd is that everyone can pretty much understand that money drives the political agenda, the passing of bills etc.  Donald Trump for instance, so he offends minorities on a daily basis, publicly champions for the removal of illegal immigrants and the building of some magical wall to keep them out, as well as any other way to cause an uproar.  So you're telling me he hasn't said anything about this, has no comment on the subject??? Why? Corporate dollars, not in the sense that the heads of all Fortune 500 companies are or aren't for the bill being repealed.  More like they don't want to offend those who put money in their pockets, making them rich, and allowing them to continue to flush money into the pockets of those who pass the same bills we are talking about.  Why go after immigrants, advocate minorities being bullied and assaulted at his rally's? Because they are predominately the portion of the population that can't vote and don't have a voice.  So IMO what I see happening is the deep pockets opposing this bill privately and putting on a front publicly.

So should we ban gay men from the men's room and make them use the ladies' room?  Make Lopaw use the men's room?  Oh, shit, where should the transsexuals pee?!

Or how about we just knock down the damn walls dividing the bathrooms and rely on the stalls for privacy?

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