It's probably because she is young and appears to be newer to the hobby. There are men who prey on ladies like this and try to tell them lies to get what they want. This is not something that occurs only in Detroit. My clients are very respectful.
I have had a few calls and some messages from potential guests stating that Anal is considered part of Full Service GFE. Now, this is something I've only attempted twice in my private life, and only one of those attempts were somewhat successful. I'm inexperienced in....negotiating....those curves in the road, and don't feel that offering that with a guest I don't have an equally trusting rapport with as I may already share with someone in my private life could potentially end rather disastrous for me, and unsatisfying for my guest. And no one has ever tried to negotiate this in person after arrival, nor has anyone ever seemed interested in asking once arrived. Everyone seems quite happy with what I have to offer. I have noticed it can be somewhat of a screening process though. Those callers that are "hell bent on leather" for it seem to be more of the Fetishist Hobbyist category, so I don't necessary feel bad in politely explaining that it's merely not on the menu.
So...Anal; do you feel it should be icluded always and every time without question, or is it something more in the line of Fetish Work, or....?? What are your thoughts?
That's how I've been approaching it. I never list it as a menu item, even one that's negotiable at any rate. I've always thought that butt stuff (going in either direction) was akin to Fetish work like water sports, S&M and most BDSM practices.
I mean, I'm offering GFE. Of course a man would be more than lucky if his BDSM needs were met by his "GF", though it seems that most men step outside their vanilla life to experience that.
And that's who I am I guess....your Vanilla GF.
Posted By: jelloman42
...and it's usually something that is an upcharge as far as I've seen...
Of course it's not really a menu consideration for me so I could be wrong...
Lol! You'd be surprised by that! Most recently I fielded a LOT of calls and texts about this in Columbus. Many, many more requests than I get in the Metro Detroit area. But, I don't think it has to do with the locale so much as it does with the demeanor and background of my guests in question.
Columbus is the City Center that houses the State Capital, the Federal arm of government, as well as the County Seat and it's the Financial District for the state as well. That would mean a lot, and I mean a LOT of men in very high positions either in their company or their government. Equated with that is, Power. The ultimate power-sex a man can have....probably anal. It's a very submissive act on the part of a service provider, and it could most likely be the guest's expression of that one bit of dominance they feel stymied on in their current job or personal life.
I don't know...any psychologists or psyche majors care to chime in?
It's probably because she is young and appears to be newer to the hobby. There are men who prey on ladies like this and try to tell them lies to get what they want. This is not something that occurs only in Detroit. My clients are very respectful.
\ There are men who prey on ladies like this and try to tell them lies to get what they want. This is not something that occurs only in Detroit.
YES, Anastasia is completely right!!! Boundary-pushers and predators often look for the newer, less-experienced and/or young ladies on whom to try their tactics.
One of the benefits to being older & having a long history is that these types don't bother with me quite so frequently as they did in the past . LOL!
Do what is right and good to you!! Set your boundaries and stick to them. They just might respect you for it! But even if they don't, you will still have your SELF-RESPECT which is worth gold, diamonds, and Louboutins!
First I will say that anal is not something you should do if you are not fully comfortable with it. For the providers that I have seen that have been comfortable with allowing penetration in their forbidden hole, it has been a wonderful experience for me. As a client, I have seen it both ways, pertaining to up-charging. I will say that I would much rather see a girl who includes greek in her flat rate than one that up-charges an additional $200 etc i.e. GFE $700 GFE and anal $1000.
In your case, if it's not on the menu it's not on the menu, do not try it in an attempt to satisfy a customer or to compete with other providers. Certainly greek is not something you inquire about unless it has been mentioned in reviews.
It's definitely not considered GFE.... I'd consider it PSE or Fetish. I would never recommend a lady to offer it unless she does truly enjoy it, I find it quite pleasurable.
I don't include it in my typical rate, as the majority of my dates do not request the service and I do make it clear on my booking form that there is an additional donation for it. The reason I "upcharge" is because of the extra prep in ensuring that it is clean fun. I would rather not increase my rate for everyone just for this reason, but I definitely understand Davincib1's view on it.
But back to the original post, I think that it's much more considerate for a gentleman to inquire about the service if it is something he wants to ensure that it is indeed offered and if there is a difference in rate. It helps everyone to be happy with their experience.
In fact personally I wouldn't even question about services available because of the legal issues that could arise. In truth gfe experience to me means unrushed, kissing, daty, fs, probably bbbj but not set in stone on that. Other things can enhance it but those are the basics.
Posted By: Cori.Daniels
I have had a few calls and some messages from potential guests stating that Anal is considered part of Full Service GFE. Now, this is something I've only attempted twice in my private life, and only one of those attempts were somewhat successful. I'm inexperienced in....negotiating....those curves in the road, and don't feel that offering that with a guest I don't have an equally trusting rapport with as I may already share with someone in my private life could potentially end rather disastrous for me, and unsatisfying for my guest. And no one has ever tried to negotiate this in person after arrival, nor has anyone ever seemed interested in asking once arrived. Everyone seems quite happy with what I have to offer. I have noticed it can be somewhat of a screening process though. Those callers that are "hell bent on leather" for it seem to be more of the Fetishist Hobbyist category, so I don't necessary feel bad in politely explaining that it's merely not on the menu.
So...Anal; do you feel it should be icluded always and every time without question, or is it something more in the line of Fetish Work, or....?? What are your thoughts?
Ok, I actually had to Urban Dictionary what PSE was! Yeah, that's not me. I may have done/do some light amateur work for clips4sale and things like that, but the hardcore Anything Goes lifestyle of mainstream Porn? Just not me.
Thanks for all the clarifications and help, you've all been wonderful!
It carries it's own risks. Also I think just as with anything else, some are more able to accommodate it physically than others. I think it is perfectly reasonable not to provide it. It's a niche thing. So if they have to have it, there is somebody out there who will provide it. It doesn't have to be you.
Hell The percentages of real civvie GF's that do anal is very small, Personally not my thing as I can not believe its feels good to the woman, I might be wrong and there might be some women that really get off on it. If I was with that women, then yeah I all in for it.
I've never considered it as GFE. And I may inquire if the mood hits, I see where some ladies have an all inclusive menu and others have it list as an option with optional price. I never do anything, nor should any one else, do anything they do not wish to participate in. You should always leave the opt out or the opt in up to your wants, needs and wishes and desires.
Don't do what you don't want to do no matter what somebody says is the norm. Just don't do it. Once you set those boundaries for yourself, you will have a lot of fun with the guys that accept those boundaries. Good luck, be safe & have fun.
She has an interest then she has to explore her sexuality and female side to the fullest - That is ONLy way to become a dream woman ( man's value is in his promise -female's value is in her past- that can apply NOT only to sex life )
It takes good men to help her - what I am upset - seems there all wrong men approached her about that.
Woman's sexuality and her knowledge of herself comes with men in her life.
Then she should explore.
I always am very sad when young women do learn about themselves from P 4 P scenarios.
Of course, there many nice gentlemen and loving and caring and kinky and ready to help and listen and play and respect her( female) experiences - and myself I do manage meet only such - but it is agin comes with experience and knowledge of the life and people
So I would not say to her - do not do that - may be she is the one who would be on that as a Goddess because else loves it herself
I would like to advice her not on anal - but on meeting better clients then those she talks
This is also very evident of female character. And being young and in this style of life - she has to learn fast reality of the life - and anal here is the least of concern - with good men - there be all.
Pavilena, the question should be to establish a baseline for activities that she will participate in within the hobby. The primary rule should be anything that she wouldn't allow her SO to do she shouldn't offer to clients. That way she has control and autonomy over her body and the session itself. No still means no, even if it is in the confines of Play for pay. Also although the sex is protected, that is still the greatest risk to contract STD's. That is why she should enforce her right to deny when those ask acts that she doesn't feel comfortable with. Also there is also the question of how, to prepare to participate in oral and how to modify your diet so that you can be ready to participate in an act of that nature.
Posted By: Pavliena
She has an interest then she has to explore her sexuality and female side to the fullest - That is ONLy way to become a dream woman ( man's value is in his promise -female's value is in her past- that can apply NOT only to sex life )
It takes good men to help her - what I am upset - seems there all wrong men approached her about that.
Woman's sexuality and her knowledge of herself comes with men in her life.
Then she should explore.
I always am very sad when young women do learn about themselves from P 4 P scenarios.
Of course, there many nice gentlemen and loving and caring and kinky and ready to help and listen and play and respect her( female) experiences - and myself I do manage meet only such - but it is agin comes with experience and knowledge of the life and people
So I would not say to her - do not do that - may be she is the one who would be on that as a Goddess because else loves it herself
I would like to advice her not on anal - but on meeting better clients then those she talks
This is also very evident of female character. And being young and in this style of life - she has to learn fast reality of the life - and anal here is the least of concern - with good men - there be all.
It is not a fetish it is not a work- it is pleasure.
(yet in poster age youshe,possibly, have to find out about what constitutes her pleasures so she would be fine woman and good lover for some man or men
For that she needs have good men to start with.
Not those clients who are hurting you with negotiation - yet and yourself you can not price it
Gentlemen are not buying sex - they do appreciate time. Seek only for those and experiment only with those.
I think you need to know that there is ONLY 4 to 5 % of women who can enjoy anal sex
So why it is that 95 % of females do not enjoy it?
simply their anatomy is standard and there are 4- 5 % of females who have curved J shaped cervix
Those women may enjoy penetration as from their AA level same way as and vaginal - those women are all squirters - as they have a chance to be free vaginally yet be penetrated
anal in missionary is the best for squirting
If a woman have J shaped cervix - she is also hard to be in pregnant . . but in our hobby any way we all using condoms and for anal sex the best one is The Beyond Seven Aloe condom is also known as the Fe+Male condom.
Yet keeping in mind all of above - in my experience -
mature gentlemen do prefer woman who is more oral then anal.
Woman, which speaks better have better oral skills ( smile )
then the one who does anal as porno star ..
yet many many men would like to know
- that she - his woman -is THAT ONE WOMAN - the one who can take it on all 3: Even if he do not need that.
Yet you have to prove him that you can do it and enjoy that - so you have to enjoy anal
Gentleman LOVES have own porno star who can do better then in movies when it comes to anal, yet if he is not porno star himself he still would prefer oral skills. No need then in anal of your lips are sweet ( Oh As to oral - I also know very special trick about that - as let say -"****wink wink - which feels as and vagina penetration and as BJ at same time._ BUT I WILL BLIND FOLD YOU FIRST then will share my secrets.
If you look most providers add an additional fee for anal....
I, include it in my services.... Just cause I started out with anal included in my services at one fee...
But no anal isn't included.... But you can structure your gfe services as it may fit you....
Posted By: Cori.Daniels
I have had a few calls and some messages from potential guests stating that Anal is considered part of Full Service GFE. Now, this is something I've only attempted twice in my private life, and only one of those attempts were somewhat successful. I'm inexperienced in....negotiating....those curves in the road, and don't feel that offering that with a guest I don't have an equally trusting rapport with as I may already share with someone in my private life could potentially end rather disastrous for me, and unsatisfying for my guest. And no one has ever tried to negotiate this in person after arrival, nor has anyone ever seemed interested in asking once arrived. Everyone seems quite happy with what I have to offer. I have noticed it can be somewhat of a screening process though. Those callers that are "hell bent on leather" for it seem to be more of the Fetishist Hobbyist category, so I don't necessary feel bad in politely explaining that it's merely not on the menu.
So...Anal; do you feel it should be icluded always and every time without question, or is it something more in the line of Fetish Work, or....?? What are your thoughts?
I have had a few calls and some messages from potential guests stating that Anal is considered part of Full Service GFE. Now, this is something I've only attempted twice in my private life, and only one of those attempts were somewhat successful. I'm inexperienced in....negotiating....those curves in the road, and don't feel that offering that with a guest I don't have an equally trusting rapport with as I may already share with someone in my private life could potentially end rather disastrous for me, and unsatisfying for my guest. And no one has ever tried to negotiate this in person after arrival, nor has anyone ever seemed interested in asking once arrived. Everyone seems quite happy with what I have to offer. I have noticed it can be somewhat of a screening process though. Those callers that are "hell bent on leather" for it seem to be more of the Fetishist Hobbyist category, so I don't necessary feel bad in politely explaining that it's merely not on the menu.
So...Anal; do you feel it should be icluded always and every time without question, or is it something more in the line of Fetish Work, or....?? What are your thoughts?
There are other providers out there that just can't do and won't do anal by their choice. In my point of view, anal should be part of PSE and since most provider out there do charge extra for it and of course there are provider does have anal as part of their service..
Bottom line, i would let the individual provider to decide what's include in their GFE service.
Greek is more of a PSE experience rather than a GFE experience. It's usually advertised as a "service". Some guys will push for as much as they can get, but it's bullshit to say it's part of the GFE date. It's not.
Greek is normally an extra 100, with advanced notice required. Does not turn me on, so I've never requested.
I have seen a few girls (with the same overall talent and looks) who simply charge 400 with greek is included. My guess is they enjoy it...some girls really enjoy it.
I don't offer it not even for lots of extra money and I don't like it in my private life either. It's up to you if you want to offer it for a bigger fee. Most girls in Oz charge at least $100 on top of their normal rate to do it and still respectfully decline those clients who are more well endowed )
Based on the European and British boards I frequent, it is becoming more of a standard service. Not in the US though. The last 3 companions that stayed with me in Europe offered it up with me asking or suggesting (not really my thing). And I have seen discussions where providers say its becoming more common and that it is like the BBBJ - meaning that getting BBBJ was something special a long time ago, but now considered a standard request.
So none of this is applicable to the US, but I thought I would throw that in there.
and given that only 4- 5 percent of women truly do enjoy it - gentlemen simply never have been with those women. And if gentleman IS A GENTLEMAN - it wold not be his thing to sorry rape her to the ass( sorry for graphics ) and she still can't orgasm Even she does offer - all tone of this thread is evident that hobbyists and providers do discuss that matter as from menu and service point of view - what is offered and how that has to be offered. The pleasure woman may have or not have is not a subject here seems. So no wonder WHY WHY true gentleman would not be in to such
Yet find right woman - and you would be very much in that.
Of course if there is enough erection... I am yet to meet one who would not like it. Or who would not think it is hot and it just turns on him even when we are oral with him : ( Smile - when we talk about it not necessary to do it - as and rimming - that can be a fantasy which not necessary can become a true yet has to be in arsenal of our love skills For both of us- we may just to talk about that - I do not mimd rimming - as I do not afraid anal - ad many women just can not justify rimming as it leads to anal. In Europe we as min - as min we are accepting and not judgmental about activities in the bed Even if it just a fantasy.. which may become a true ..( smile .. who knows what is happening behind of close doors?? Just meet the right woman .. )
a girlfriend would do including kissing, lots of touching, oral both ways, maybe mutual touch massages, and FS with a nice cuddle time afterewards. She might even join you in the shower before you leave. The number of activities depends on the amount of time for the encounter.
First of all, anal is not "included" in GFE. Second of all, it not done right and received properly it can be very uncomfortable. You should not feel forced into doing something you have only tried twice and not enjoyed. Some women love this, I spent a lot of time with two ladies (separated by many years) each one of whom had her most profound climaxes by receiving anal. Each loved it and I loved it with each of them because of that. If you absolutely want to offer this, first find a lover or friend with benefits who is very patient, very skillful and --after cleaning yourself out and lubing up well-- try it with him, slowly carefully then let things happen. If this is exciting to you, great, if you feel like it was a root canal cross it off your menu. In my experience, most ladies who offer this chanrge extra.
Like a lot of things - you know GFE when you experience it. No question to me that it COULD be part of FS GFE. I have certainly done it outside the hobby...
Some girls really get into it. Others don't. If you aren't wired that way, I really don't think it will work - and it ain't fun for either one of us if you can't work it...
I don't think anyone requires that you truly enjoy yourself - but we all require some level of enthusiasm, especially in the context of a GFE. And if you are hurting - you aren't going to be able to do that. I understand what you are saying about YOU not offering it and not feeling bad about it. Totally understandable to me.
On the other hand, I have certainly had some very GFE"ish" sessions with it - so I don't think that it can be excluded from a GFE session and banished to some "kink/fetish" niche just because it's not something you do
who include anal in their GFE rate or offering. Those that do enjoy it as much as their clients.
And while I don't at all consider it a fetish, like anything sexual, it's the degree of extreme that can turn a blowjob into a nightmare for a woman.
You seem somewhat confident in your decision to nor offer it on your menu. Any deviation from what you want to offer remains yours.
I've enjoyed anal with several women based entirely on their enjoyment of getting fucked in the ass. There is little chance I'll enjoy it if she doesn't and there are several woman out there that almost demand it.
As a rule, I like to meet my partner at their comfort level, while staying within my zone ... which can get broader based on my intimacy level with that partner.
I tend to enjoy sex much more when my partner is deriving her own enjoyment as mich as I. For me, that's GFE. If someone agrees to try anal ... AND IS PREPARED ... I only proceed if she is comfortable on going all in. If she is hesitant or uncomfortable, physically or emotionally, after we begin. I have no problem saying "maybe another time".
I want her to feel appreciated for her effort and openness to try it, but not feel required to continue when it's not right for them, for any of several reasons, even if she just decides to change her mind.
Women develop trust in a partner that's open to compromise, because in some instances, it's her making a compromise to try anal in the first place. I personally like creating that level of trust.
Stick to what works best for you, Cori. Do what you enjoy, while letting your guy know you're all about his pleasure within the rules of engagement you establish.
I understand the Monger attitude of I pay, so your mine. All clients want satisfaction, but don't own you nor should they try to manipulate you. If I was an escort, I have a feeling I'd be throwing this type of client out on his ass with his money firmly lodged in it. So much for my career as a hooker in my next life ... hmm
t is way more simple - or she does it BECAUSE SHE DOES ENJOY IT
or She is not doing it simply because she DOESN'T enjoy that and that is hurt her
And you gentlemen have to appreciate here your american women - those would tell you all as it is about anal
While European would offer that even if she is not that 5 % of women who's cervix curved in J shape and she can actually have orgasms on it, Europeans - no difference - also are built the same and same percentage of women with J shape applying and to American and to European - yet you american women would be more honest with you about that what she does enjoyed what she do not.
You have to appreciate it.
Then again - gentleman can not say that it is NOT his thing - as simply - what chances from 95v% of all females ( and even less of those who made it to here ) that he is meeting THAT right woman who enjoys that that herself and may have dozens orgasms JUST because of anal? As true gentle man - who do not want hurt woman- you would be NOT then in that as well s she is not. Try find the one who likes it Other wise you will feel yourself as you are rapist - and who is into that of feeling ?? Just rapists .. so it is not about you not enjoying it or about her "compromising on giving that to you - it is ABOUT ENJOYING IT by woman. Of course that activities more like fit to younger men who have firmer erections - but you, american studs- kept yourself well and at age of 60 . So you can allow yourself
1. I actually made you laugh: 2. You called me a rapist; 3. Called me young or 60; 4. Woman without a J shaped cervix can have an anal. orgasm; 5. You weren't talking to or about me at all ... lol
I'm very sensitive my dear and while reasonably versed in the art of anal, I'm always open for new challenges. I can explain sensitive shoukd we ever meet. ...
Not that I'm 60 or anything, do you offer a Senior Discount? Sorry, I'm in retail ... tongue in cheek
In fact, most of my experiences with anal were with women whom I did even know performed it on my without me even knowing they were going to do it. The surprise was more fun than the reality. Watching the look of joy on their faces was the real prize. I can recall them even now.
And a bigger riddle is how some gals will love anal so much that they'll insist on it one day, but then on another occasion will not want it. I suspect there's a real mental thing about it, but I suppose they could have had a recent bad experience too
is trying to sell you some good old BS... Greek, to my knowlege, is and always has been an "add-on" service (except I did see one lady say it was part of her regular package-no upcharge). It's not anything I've ever had a real Girl Friend want to do...so GFE, no...PSE, maybe.
Posted By: Cori.Daniels
I have had a few calls and some messages from potential guests stating that Anal is considered part of Full Service GFE. Now, this is something I've only attempted twice in my private life, and only one of those attempts were somewhat successful. I'm inexperienced in....negotiating....those curves in the road, and don't feel that offering that with a guest I don't have an equally trusting rapport with as I may already share with someone in my private life could potentially end rather disastrous for me, and unsatisfying for my guest. And no one has ever tried to negotiate this in person after arrival, nor has anyone ever seemed interested in asking once arrived. Everyone seems quite happy with what I have to offer. I have noticed it can be somewhat of a screening process though. Those callers that are "hell bent on leather" for it seem to be more of the Fetishist Hobbyist category, so I don't necessary feel bad in politely explaining that it's merely not on the menu.
So...Anal; do you feel it should be icluded always and every time without question, or is it something more in the line of Fetish Work, or....?? What are your thoughts?
Cori, Some of the gentlemen who hobby are going to see you once because once is enough for that particular guy. Others are going to see you again and again and over time the two of you might find yourselves talking about the naughtiest fantasies you've ever had.... Your date may tell you that he would love to feel himself inside of your "other hole" some day and you will know if that is something you want to explore based on the gentleman. My first anal experience happened with a true lover type of guy who would daty until I would lose my mind... He started dato when I would get too sensitive for any more daty. Then he started with the tip of his finger inside of my ass until I relaxed enough to take the whole thing. After several sessions where we played with different sized butt plugs we finally worked our way up to the one he called, "Little Marc" because it was about the same girth of his actual cock. Once I could accommodate his Little Marc, I was ready for the real deal on our following multi hour date. It took a lot of prep: eating light, an enema the night before and the morning of our date but it was an amazing first experience. He spoiled me! We spoil our lovers in this business the best that we can, right? So don't be afraid to save the highest levels of service for the guys who want a really intimate experience and let the guys who just want to pound some butt call the girls who offer PSE to all of their clients. GFE seeking gents enjoy the progression from vanilla to XXX in my experience and they want you to enjoy yourself as well so just take it slow, be yourself and enjoy anal sex with the right guy or guys but not EVERY guy and I think you will be fine. XoXo Kristina
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