he's got his own reasons for wanting to appear "virginal" ... imo if a client's actions don't harm or impede you or another in anyway, let him do his own bizarro thing.
esp. if you want his repeat business. if it rubs you the wrong way politically and philosophically, i'd cut the session short and refuse to see him again. 'course i'm not a providerShould a provider call a potential client's BS when they claim to be "first timers", and You know for a fact that he's met a fellow provider, or should you keep quiet?
I never understand why a client would insist in playing the "first timer" angle.
Guys care to give out some theories?
And, hopefully, he or they will tell us why. 
I used to call people on that bullshit all the time.... but nowadays I rarely do.
Doing so might alert someone who is unaware of our blacklist & verification sites that he has left a trail..... always best to keep them in the dark on that, if you ask me. 
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Nooner: A sexual encounter during lunchtime; especially one that is illicit
Some lies are harmless and are only meant to assuage the ego of the person telling the lie.
If a guy claims to be hung like a horse and shows up hung like a hummingbird, would you call him out for that?
This guy sounds like the guy in the strip club who starts off the conversation with every dancer with "I don't normally come to strip clubs" Do you how many times guys claim that shit?
For the record, I get a chuckle from strippers whenever I lead with that line, but I go a bit further and say "I don't normally go to strip clubs, I usually see hookers instead" That's when the ladies tell me how many guys pretend they never see strippers when in fact they do it all the time. This doesn't sound much different to me.
thats exactly my point. when guys dont even wait for the question, and the lies just start flowing out the tongue... wtf! lol
Is it possible its some kind of a fetish or fantasy of theirs to play "good boys" behaving bad for the first time?
I mean if this many straight guys have to lie to strippers, just how embarrassed do you think some guys are when looking to book a TS provider like yourself?
There is still a stigma about paying for sex that makes a lot of guys feel like they are a "loser" for not being able to attract dozens of model quality women strictly with their charm and good looks. lol
Even here, look at how many old guys tell the young guys how they shouldn't be fucking hookers until they too are old and how "when they were young" they had dozens of hotties who couldn't wait to fuck them for free. We all know what liars these pathetic old men who tell these stories really are, but they do their best to make other men feel like losers for seeing hookers. and this is coming from men who frequent hookers themselves. Men are much simpler creatures than women, but even simple creatures like us have all sorts of stupid thoughts bouncing around our largely empty heads.
I had someone tell me they were a complete newbie, and they happily gave up plenty of screening info, but I quickly realized they weren't *completely* new during my check. I think he was worried that I would have a low opinion of him. Crazy, huh!
Two or three pages of reviews makes a woman a "well reviewed provider" Thirty pages of reviews makes the same woman a "dirty slut" lol
It's really funny what goes through the minds of both hookers and johns.
I have had hookers in Costa Rica confess to me that I see "too many chicas" in their opinion, this coming from women who see as many men as they possibly can. I have concluded they are jealous that I can see four chicas in a day, but they can barely attract two men in the same time period. lol
What do you mean wtf? Wtf is its none of your business
You looking for a new best friend or a customer??
If he decides to tell you a lie you mean to say you aren't also lying to him?
I'm not trying to be harsh with you but if you are looking for facts and/or truth being a provider isn't exactly the right place
If the guy becomes a regular then it's another story.
But it doesn't sound like that's the case.
I haven't been to a strip club in years, but I'm using this line if I ever do go.
When a girl with 10 reviews a month, every month, tells me she is low volume, I don't feel the need to mention it to her or correct her. Its her fantasy, so be it. lol
What would my upside be?
And what is yours by calling him out?
Who cares?
j/k professor, i know you are the master of providing ettiquette!
just trying to bait the master!
(see what i did there?)
they may not want other providers to know, for whatever reason. Thank you for the new thread!
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you make a good point. some hobbyists dont want their ATF who may be a gg to find out they frequent girls like me. I get that.
If she knows who he's seen, she could gently ask, "What about N_____? Could they perhaps vouch for you?"
If she knows he's seen others and doesn't want to give their names as references, maybe it means he's worried about the references would say about him. I would think that could be some sort of red flag.
Why would she play along with such a falsehood?
What difference does it make?
They actually really want to see me, but know if they do, the other lady may pester him into seeing her instead.
A lot of times, the guys are trying to avoid the girl from making him see her again. And I totally believe this. I allow for discretion on this area, by saying more of a "don't ask, don't tell" thing. "If none, just type none - I may have to work verify..."
Usually works out. But I've had guys go radio silent in the middle of setting up appointments after I checked up on a reference - while the reference never got back to me. Hence, another reason I like to screen heavily, and use references if I absolutely have to.
But then there are times people try to play games with me on the front end, and then they start saying "I'm new to this" but used a ton of hobby jargon.
You can't really lie to someone who lives the industry for a while. You just know. I've pulled out "I know you've seen other ladies" when someone was really pissing me off, but looking back, I'm not too enthused about doing that again, so I really don't.
Different perspective from an introvert with anxiety. I used I'm new to this the first half dozen times not to game anyone just because the whole process is insanely nerve racking. I mean shaking like a leaf nerve racking. I felt it was a courtesy on my part so when I showed up she wouldn't think I'm on something. I did do all my research here so felt like I could use the buzz words.
I'm not defending others just my personal experience and thoughts.
A lot of times, the guys are trying to avoid the girl from making him see her again. And I totally believe this. I allow for discretion on this area, by saying more of a "don't ask, don't tell" thing. "If none, just type none - I may have to work verify..."
Usually works out. But I've had guys go radio silent in the middle of setting up appointments after I checked up on a reference - while the reference never got back to me. Hence, another reason I like to screen heavily, and use references if I absolutely have to.
But then there are times people try to play games with me on the front end, and then they start saying "I'm new to this" but used a ton of hobby jargon.
You can't really lie to someone who lives the industry for a while. You just know. I've pulled out "I know you've seen other ladies" when someone was really pissing me off, but looking back, I'm not too enthused about doing that again, so I really don't.
That makes total sense!
I am sure I scare the shit out of a lot of men... I just do also know that there are a lot of people out there who hate sex workers and want to shame them, and nothing pisses me off more than someone who sets me up to watch me stumble and fall. And there are a lot of guys and girls out there like that.
Every now and then a poor newbie trying to do everything right gets caught in the middle.
The nicer I am though, the more I get taken advantage of and fucked with - so I tend to put off a really hard front at first, and once someone has gained my trust, I'm a total lap dog. LOL
It's obviously not the motivation of every guy who says that, but as an anxious introvert, it really makes sense.
Also agree that using the lingo in and of itself proves absolutely nothing regarding experience level. Just about every day here I see people sort of scolding others that they should do their due diligence/homework/research/RTFB. So then we're gonna assume everyone who knows the vocabulary is a seasoned hobbyist?
So a guy says that and your instincts tell you he's lying. Maybe you're right and maybe you're wrong, but if you don't think he's dangerous or a creep, so what? Maybe he said it because inside he's not calm. Maybe telling you that helps him get off in some weird way. As long as you don't feel unsafe, just do whatever it takes to keep things calm and fun. At the end of the date, if you feel like you'd rather not see him again, tell him he's full of shit if that seems less awkward than saying lose my number.
I mean next to Gambler, I am not even a newbie yet, the sperm has not even reached the egg. Then there is also the fact that some of us are really slow learners.
Just joking with you DNG 😄
And then I realized - well, that was stupid. I just gave him a clue of what's online about him lol!
Either way, usually they don't even get as far as reference talk before I figure out they're playing games. As I usually say, it's the first or second email - usually the first, confirmed by the third that I'm like "Fuck this, I'm out."
lol
You think just the opposite problem would come up more often.
Is it to hide a bad track record?
if that is the case, I'd just cut off communication with no explanation. He'll figure it out soon enough
I had posted this question earlier as well, but then deleted it. It suddenly dawned on me that Sasha was probably referring to a client booking with a TS provider, and said client didn't want it known that they had seen other TS providers, instead wanting it to appear as if it was their first time..
Or I am completely wrong about my assumption.
Wouldn't be the first time
have the answer, i.e., its a unique occurance in the TS scene. I can't imagine any of us who hobby with women announcing they are a virgin when they show up.
that we all have some of our own bullshit too.
I find it much simpler to forgive and forget the bullshit, unless there is some harm in it.
definitely not a deal breaker for me and i dont stress it out if am confident they are lying about certain things.
I understand there's certain anonymity in this business that must be respected and i totally accept that. the point that im trying to make is that some people lie about things they havent even been asked about? pathological liars? just a fantasy? whats the angle? I dont care if the person is newbie or seasoned as i welcome both. What is annoying is lying, specially when I havent even asked them about it.
I didnt call anybody out as I in fact dont care. as others have stated. we all bend the truth sometimes and we all have our own bs. I just try to stay as honest as possible in my business, it gives me certain peace of mind.
I just keep quiet about things like that and just avoid any drama that's not necessary.
I have had gentlemen reach out to me telling me they are newbies but then 3 emails later mention they have a reference. As long as they can be properly screened then that's all that really matters to me and if they can't be screened I just decline meeting them kindly.
You never really know why they may tell you they are new and usually it's something they are just embarrassed about or just don't want you knowing what other women they may see for understandable reasons. I guess every situation is a bit different.
As a newbie I think I have some recent insight on this.
We come from the civie dating world. We don't try and paint a picture that we've just bedded six other women the week before when we go out on a date. We think it would be boastful and counter-productive.
I did tell each provider her actual sequence (first, second, third) but my instinct that I overcame was to tell them all the were first (i.e. one and only.)
I even felt a little guilty going to the second provider after the first. Our heads are still in the other world.
lose count, you'll be fine.
Maybe the guy is socially and sexually "awkward". He'll go to the "Newbie" card as an excuse to you if he should fumble the session, you're thinking that..."aww, he's a newbie, how cute". It's a little less pressure on himself and that you'll understand his shortcomings. Now if he fucks like a season vet and brings out all these gadget and toys. then I'd say "Hey"!!!!!. But the way I see it, it shouldn't be a big deal, after all do guys call out the the fake moans and the clutching of the sheets after you O'd 10 times?....So give the guy a break and shrugged it off. And I don't think that he's some pathological liar or serial killer.....on second thought.
2. Which sounds better?
"I've done this lots of times but I'm still clueless and incompetent and I'm afraid you'll make fun of me."
or
"I'm a newbie. Please don't make fun of me."
3. Innocent conversation? "Some weather we're having, huh? Do you prefer iPhone or Android? I'm a newbie."
4. Undisclosed RELATIVE newbie-ness?
"I haven't done this ... since last Tuesday."
"I haven't done THIS before (I'm wearing new shoes)."
I had some other theories but I got distracted. I guess I'm too new at this
he's got his own reasons for wanting to appear "virginal" ... imo if a client's actions don't harm or impede you or another in anyway, let him do his own bizarro thing.
esp. if you want his repeat business.
if it rubs you the wrong way politically and philosophically, i'd cut the session short and refuse to see him again.
'course i'm not a provider
We're not going to get along, so I am just "not available" lol. Most of the time it's not to be mean, it's just - I know he will have a better time with someone else, because I haven't evolved to be that understanding just yet. lol
I told a provider it was my first time with a provider was when it was my first time. After that, I just told them I knew the routine. I did not get any discount or special treatment from the provider when it was my first time, except when it was now appropriate to talk dirty. When we were comfortable together in bed, telling her I wanted to DATY was replaced with "I want to eat you out."
Hey if you think it's good marketing and customer service to call out and embarrass your clients by all means go ahead!
And here I thought this whole biz is about "fantasy". Meaning if it does not affect the bottom line what difference does it make to play along?
As for motives I can't imagine every guy has the same one! who knows and who cares
Probably means the first time seeing that provider. Not necessarily the first time in the Hobby.
You refer to yourself as a girl however with a cock bigger than lots of the guys here some may not agree with that term. Should anyone be calling you out on it everytime you use the term? The providers who have profile with and age listed at 26 and thin and they are clearly over 40 and flabby and then respond to an ISO young spinner ad, should we call them out?
Somehow I would have thought you would have been more tolerant
Just how do you know how big her cock is? I am not judging mind you, but it is a question worth asking....
As for your last question, you are damn right any OTHFB who respond to an ad looking for a young spinner should most definitely be called out.
I thought you were gonna ask him if he really has 3 balls.
Also, if I may butt in where I don't belong, erect size is listed on TS providers' profiles.
I would never ask how many balls he has, that would be rude and I honestly had no idea that cock size was listed on TS providers profiles. I suppose a man can learn something new every day, although I have no idea if that information will ever be of any value to me
...but when that handle starts off with "everyone twists the truth"... Hell, I almost asked him myself. And I'm not even a fraction the asshole you are.
LOL I'm sure by now you've figured out whether you'll need that info! You're a bit... mature for latency, don't you think?
Not that there's anything wrong with that. Seriously.
Sorry, couldn't help myself...
Hahahaha
Yup, knew this was gonna be a total recal thing the instant I saw the subject.
I'd have gone classic version, but that's okay! No wrong answers.
Johnny, do you really have three balls? I saw a lady once with three nipples, so I guess its possible.
Or is this a nickname because you lose three balls in an average round of golf?
Or because you're a baseball player who swings on a 3-0 count?
Or something else entirely
The 2 I have are big and a lady once told me "they are so big it's like you've got 3 in there"
Why do guys lie about that ? lol like do you think your gonna get some extra special treatment maybe some bbbj lol hahahahaha ahhhh NO .
All call him out in a funny manor this guy told me it was his first time and im like suuuure then a few minutes later he asks me "what are my do's and donts you know some girl don't like this and that" ... well how do you know if its your first time -_-
lying is a turn off period in any shape or form ........................
Too paranoid to see any guy with nothing to show me and lie to me about not hobbying. I don't need that kind of stress.
I never understand why a client would insist in playing the "first timer" angle.
Guys care to give out some theories?
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This guy tried it a few times possibly and liked the way these ladies were treating him as a newbie. Maybe the way they took the lead in his encounters. IMHO
Wow this is a large thread 😀
#justsayi
But if you're not getting any bad vibes and the green light from your friend, then let it slide - this might be his fantasy in some weird way.