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Duplicitouslust 24 Reviews 301 reads
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Think about it.  You have leverage like you wouldn't believe because this is a crucial and essential service.  If it hasn't dawned on you already your in a perfect position to barter services.  You could charge or you can use your skills to get what you really want.  You can get greenbacks or you can get something else from certain people who are in a position that need you.  Think about it you're already verifiable it is just a matter of the deal getting done.

Posted By: Greenbacks2
Agreed stay away from H&R Block !  
 This is what I do, I meet providers all the time once they find out what I do. The questions start coming. I should bill them.    
   
Posted By: GaGambler
The only way they won't is if she basically stays off the grid. IOW, she can't buy a house, get credits cards, open a bank account, do any kind of investing, or do anything that "normal" people do.  She will be relegated to the "underground" cash economy and no matter how much she makes she can never build any wealth until she comes up for air.  
     
  My advice is to get a "real" tax pro, NOT H&R Block to file a return for her and then be prepared to have to make some kind of a deal with the IRS. The thing in her favor is the fact that the IRS is eager to get non taxpayers back on the taxpaying rolls and often are willing to cut some kind of deal or even a limited "amnesty" as long as she comes clean. What she should NOT do under any circumstances is file a fraudulent return that does not claim income that is easy to find. "Failure to file" will incur civil penalties, interest and fees, but won't land her in jail. Filing a fraudulent return that attempts to hide income could quite likely end up with her in federal prison.  
     
  BTW, two years of failing to file is something that can be fixed without a lot of pain, trying to deal with this after a decade goes by is much much harder.

Mscurious1537 reads

Provider has been providing for over 2 years and never filed/payed her taxes.keep in mind she has no other job.Only provides.Will the irs come after her or is that a myth?She's scared and doesn't know what to do.

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..on another escort based site.
It's concerning.:

Sexworker Lost Appeal for False Tax Return - 33 months in prison by davephx on 13 Apr, 2016 01:37
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"Adult entertainer" thought she could avoid reporting "gifts".  

"At trial, Fxxx explained that in addition to the money that she earned dancing on stage, she also made money off stage in private rooms at the exotic dancing clubs or off the premises."

"...for money for constructing her home, paying bills, getting breast implants, and paying college tuition... She considered it all a gift. Fxxxx testified that she thanked (folks) for the money gifted her by giving him free private dances."

She was convicted on 4 counts since under-reported income for 4 tax years in U.S. District Court. Sentenced to 33 months on each count but concurrently.  

Appealed to the 8th Circuit  

"On appeal, Fxxxx argues that (1) insufficient evidence exists to support the jury's finding that Fxxxx knowingly and willfully underreported her income; (2) the district court abused its discretion in failing to instruct the jury that it was required to unanimously agree on which source of income that Fxxxx failed to report on her income tax return; and (3) the district court improperly calculated Fxxx's Guidelines range and imposed a substantively unreasonable sentence."

The jury convicted based on unreported income from individuals, payments for parties and unreported tips at a strip club.  

"Fairchild argues that her 33-month sentence is procedurally and substantively unreasonable. First, she asserts that the district court's calculation of the Guidelines range was based on an erroneous calculation of the tax-loss amount and an erroneous finding that Fxxxxx failed to report income from criminal activity. Second, she maintains that her 33-month sentence is substantively unreasonable for failing to account for the effects of past sexual abuse and her status as the sole parent to three young children."

The Defendant's own testimony during the trial indicated that she received tips during the time period in question in cash. She admitted that was not reported as income on her income tax returns, and she stated that was just an oversight."

The Defendant also objected to the sentence enhancement since the unreported income was over $10,000 a year from illegal income - prostitution.

In a 26 page decision filed 3/17/2016 the 8th Circuit rejected all of her arguments and upheld the 33-month prison term.  

And of course she would have to pay back taxes with large penalties for failure to report.  

Source: United States Court of Appeals
For the Eighth Circuit No. 14-3517

Dave notes this reminds me of a fight I had with the IRS decades ago when I was a Tax Supervisor for a then "Big 8" CPA firm.   Someone suspected of underreporting income was hit with a $1 million IRS Jeopardy assessment that was a lien on all bank accounts and assets and was outrageous.  It took a long time to convince the IRS there was no unreported income and get the lien released.

Under the law there is a huge difference between under reporting and not reporting at all.
Under reporting usually ends up with fines, non reporting can get you jail time

GaGambler699 reads

The only way they won't is if she basically stays off the grid. IOW, she can't buy a house, get credits cards, open a bank account, do any kind of investing, or do anything that "normal" people do.  She will be relegated to the "underground" cash economy and no matter how much she makes she can never build any wealth until she comes up for air.

My advice is to get a "real" tax pro, NOT H&R Block to file a return for her and then be prepared to have to make some kind of a deal with the IRS. The thing in her favor is the fact that the IRS is eager to get non taxpayers back on the taxpaying rolls and often are willing to cut some kind of deal or even a limited "amnesty" as long as she comes clean. What she should NOT do under any circumstances is file a fraudulent return that does not claim income that is easy to find. "Failure to file" will incur civil penalties, interest and fees, but won't land her in jail. Filing a fraudulent return that attempts to hide income could quite likely end up with her in federal prison.

BTW, two years of failing to file is something that can be fixed without a lot of pain, trying to deal with this after a decade goes by is much much harder.

Agreed stay away from H&R Block !
This is what I do, I meet providers all the time once they find out what I do. The questions start coming. I should bill them.    

Posted By: GaGambler
The only way they won't is if she basically stays off the grid. IOW, she can't buy a house, get credits cards, open a bank account, do any kind of investing, or do anything that "normal" people do.  She will be relegated to the "underground" cash economy and no matter how much she makes she can never build any wealth until she comes up for air.  
   
 My advice is to get a "real" tax pro, NOT H&R Block to file a return for her and then be prepared to have to make some kind of a deal with the IRS. The thing in her favor is the fact that the IRS is eager to get non taxpayers back on the taxpaying rolls and often are willing to cut some kind of deal or even a limited "amnesty" as long as she comes clean. What she should NOT do under any circumstances is file a fraudulent return that does not claim income that is easy to find. "Failure to file" will incur civil penalties, interest and fees, but won't land her in jail. Filing a fraudulent return that attempts to hide income could quite likely end up with her in federal prison.  
   
 BTW, two years of failing to file is something that can be fixed without a lot of pain, trying to deal with this after a decade goes by is much much harder.

Think about it.  You have leverage like you wouldn't believe because this is a crucial and essential service.  If it hasn't dawned on you already your in a perfect position to barter services.  You could charge or you can use your skills to get what you really want.  You can get greenbacks or you can get something else from certain people who are in a position that need you.  Think about it you're already verifiable it is just a matter of the deal getting done.

Posted By: Greenbacks2
Agreed stay away from H&R Block !  
 This is what I do, I meet providers all the time once they find out what I do. The questions start coming. I should bill them.    
   
Posted By: GaGambler
The only way they won't is if she basically stays off the grid. IOW, she can't buy a house, get credits cards, open a bank account, do any kind of investing, or do anything that "normal" people do.  She will be relegated to the "underground" cash economy and no matter how much she makes she can never build any wealth until she comes up for air.  
     
  My advice is to get a "real" tax pro, NOT H&R Block to file a return for her and then be prepared to have to make some kind of a deal with the IRS. The thing in her favor is the fact that the IRS is eager to get non taxpayers back on the taxpaying rolls and often are willing to cut some kind of deal or even a limited "amnesty" as long as she comes clean. What she should NOT do under any circumstances is file a fraudulent return that does not claim income that is easy to find. "Failure to file" will incur civil penalties, interest and fees, but won't land her in jail. Filing a fraudulent return that attempts to hide income could quite likely end up with her in federal prison.  
     
  BTW, two years of failing to file is something that can be fixed without a lot of pain, trying to deal with this after a decade goes by is much much harder.

I think he's wise to keep his professional and hobby lives separate.  He could blow up his entire practice and lose his license if it is found that he's trading services.  

Better to keep things above board.  Provide tax services, bill, get paid.  Then use that money as you see fit.

That being said, I've often wished I owned a hotel.  =)

Mscurious341 reads

What if she does have a bank account?I believe she deposits about a grand every week into her bank account

GaGambler380 reads

but it will make it hard to claim she was living on food stamps during that period of time.

A savings account is a different matter as it generates a 1099 for the interest earned which does go to the IRS. When income is reported, whether W2 income or 1099 there needs to be a corresponding return claiming said income or eventually she is going to get an unpleasant knock at her door by a couple of guys in suits proclaiming "Hi I am from the government and I am here to help you" lmao

Mscurious361 reads

Omg this man gives like the best advice on the board!Here's a huge *KISS*  no tongue sorry

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hewhomustnotbesaid297 reads

While, in general, I agree with GaG on this, the former auditor in me cringes on most discussions around this topic.  Neither a checking account nor a savings account these days is likely to generate too much interest from the IRS -- mostly because interest rates today are so low that most accounts no longer generate significant 1099 income, or even a 1099 at all. (Though, whether one gets a 1099 or not, they are still required to claim every $ earned.)   That said, if the IRS decides to audit someone, and they suspect unreported income, if they push for a cash audit of someone who regularly deposits cash... then she will likely be in trouble. The smart thing to do is not put ANY cash into a checking or saving account -- again, the banks are paying such small rates that what does it hurt not to? (A safe deposit box in a bank and/or a fireproof safe hidden in a home is a good option also.)  However, since most people likely can't only spend cash, and most need to use credit cards and probably pay bills on line, too, I understand that some $ needs to be deposited. Therefore, ALL that is deposited (and preferably a bit more) needs to be claimed as income... and we ALL want to pay our "fair share" of taxes, right?  Plus, by doing so, a provider will also then need to pay (both sides of) her Social Security taxes... and for most this might likely be a big advantage sometime in the future anyway.  

(I am using an alias because I would not want some other current auditor to think that I am encouraging tax fraud, as I clearly think all should taxpayers should pay their "fair share"... whatever THAT is.)   ;)

Unless she accrues large sums of money in a non-interest bearing checking account, it's very unlikely it would ever trigger an audit. How often does somebody get audited for having small sums of money in a NON-interest bearing checking account that does not generate a 1099? A certain amount can be deposited since it could have been a gift.  

A bigger problem would be a lifestyle audit. If the girl is "living large" and the amount of money deposited is small that is a big red flag. Most will piss it away on shoes and handbags so it's unlikely a lifestyle audit will turn up anything.

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Mscurious365 reads

Not just shoes and handbags.... lingerie gas money to go to outcalls,and most expensive items of all time condoms.These things are expensive.Imagine how many boxes providers go through weekly.it adds up.Nothing is cheap these days

If she has a bank account, she should file taxes on all the money she put in that account and say she's self employed... She better save some money to pay the government.

Posted By: GaGambler
The only way they won't is if she basically stays off the grid. IOW, she can't buy a house, get credits cards, open a bank account, do any kind of investing, or do anything that "normal" people do.  She will be relegated to the "underground" cash economy and no matter how much she makes she can never build any wealth until she comes up for air.  
   
 My advice is to get a "real" tax pro, NOT H&R Block to file a return for her and then be prepared to have to make some kind of a deal with the IRS. The thing in her favor is the fact that the IRS is eager to get non taxpayers back on the taxpaying rolls and often are willing to cut some kind of deal or even a limited "amnesty" as long as she comes clean. What she should NOT do under any circumstances is file a fraudulent return that does not claim income that is easy to find. "Failure to file" will incur civil penalties, interest and fees, but won't land her in jail. Filing a fraudulent return that attempts to hide income could quite likely end up with her in federal prison.  
   
 BTW, two years of failing to file is something that can be fixed without a lot of pain, trying to deal with this after a decade goes by is much much harder.
Most never pay a dime in taxes. They can have a NON-interest bearing checking account. That does not generate a 1099. Credit cards are issued to students so it's easy to pay on one and get a lot more with higher limits.  

It's not possible to invest  buy houses and build wealth if you don't pay your taxes. It's rare that they set up a business to "launder" the money. In very rare cases the parents know and they get their tax paying parents to launder the money and buy a house that is rented to them and they are  a designated beneficiary in a living trust.  

You are right. It's better to not file at all than file and under report income.  

Most of the money will go to handbags and shoes. Cars over 10K can not be bought in cash so most will fake pay stubs and lease. The whole thing is a dead end for those who want to build wealth.

   
 Most never pay a dime in taxes. They can have a NON-interest bearing checking account. That does not generate a 1099. Credit cards are issued to students so it's easy to pay on one and get a lot more with higher limits.  
   
 It's not possible to invest  buy houses and build wealth if you don't pay your taxes. It's rare that they set up a business to "launder" the money. In very rare cases the parents know and they get their tax paying parents to launder the money and buy a house that is rented to them and they are  a designated beneficiary in a living trust.  
   
 You are right. It's better to not file at all than file and under report income.  
   
 Most of the money will go to handbags and shoes. Cars over 10K can not be bought in cash so most will fake pay stubs and lease. The whole thing is a dead end for those who want to build wealth.
Cars over 10k cant be bought with cash? Huh?

Any business MUST fill out IRS form 8300 on a cash transaction of 10K or more. That certainly includes car dealers. You can pay more than 10K in cash if you buy from a private party. Still, you would have a DMV record of the type of car you registered. The IRS obtains DMV records if they do a lifestyle audit.

At one time the law really only applied to car dealers, jewelers and escrow officers who handled housing transactions. It was designed to stop drug dealers from buying large purchases in cash. It now applies to any business.  

Below is the IRS link

thinkinghard276 reads

companiontax.com

There are other established companies that specialize in this area and she can find them on the various reputable ad websites.

Income taxes must be paid even for unlawful activities.  However, you can file a tax return without describing how you earned the money.  

If they go after a cash based activity they usually infer income indirectly.  In tax court (not ciminal court) you have to prove them wrong.  

In criminal court they do have the burden of proof,  but they only have to show one instance of a transaction without tax payment and they've met the legal proof.  

Generally if you are in the business for many years it would be best to pay taxes.  If it is a short term gig, your chances of discovery are pretty low.  But the longer your active the more history you leave behind for them to pick up on.

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