There's a difference there.
You could argue that by allowing her personal info to be completely accessible, there is implied permission. I'm not saying that digging into personal info is right, but I also think that finding out as much info as is readily available on a provider is not imprudent
This really is a hobby to me. Although I may only have about 90 minutes of contact time per month, I spend much more time searching ads, reading reviews, and researching providers. It is like looking at porn, when you may have a chance to meet the model. Recently I came across a TER ad from a provider whose oldest of a dozen reviews was 3 months old. There was a link on her TER profile to an ad from myprovider.com. Her face was blurred on all her very professional looking pictures. Using Chrome as my web browser, it was easy to right click over a picture and "Search Google for image." The result yielded her pictures without the face blurred, plus hundreds more pictures, and her real "model name." I was able to see that her pictures were 6-9 years old, and see newer pictures to best gauge her current appearance, both face and body.
However there were links to Face Book, her Twitter account, and lots of Instagram pictures. The Instagram pictures showed her husband, mother, sister and 3 kids. I am very confident she was unaware how easily anyone could get more information beyond her ad.
The question is, should I email her and let her know? I once told a provider, while we were together, that I had searched her pictures to try to see her face. She was so offended that it almost ended the session immediately.
I realize that you may mean well and that she should seriously watch her shit better, but you obviously rummaged beyond what was needed to decide if you wanted an appointment or not. Knowing someone did pry can be more jarring than knowing someone could pry.
If she is on any regional board maybe make a post like this there without singling anyone out? I'm sure other providers could benefit from a reminder as well.
Plus, you may have made it easy to find her....:-/
I'm questioning your intentions, given how much detail you just gave.
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It's one thing to do research and read reviews.
If a provider has her face blurred out of the pictures.
Then it's clear she wants to remain anonymous and discreet.
I think what you are doing is not respecting her privacy!
However there were links to Face Book, her Twitter account, and lots of Instagram pictures. The Instagram pictures showed her husband, mother, sister and 3 kids. I am very confident she was unaware how easily anyone could get more information beyond her ad.
The question is, should I email her and let her know? I once told a provider, while we were together, that I had searched her pictures to try to see her face. She was so offended that it almost ended the session immediately.
I can agree with your overall comment, however the provider is only being as discrete as she can be.
Which isn't enough.
If a provider has her face blurred out of the pictures.
Then it's clear she wants to remain anonymous and discreet.
I think what you are doing is not respecting her privacy!
However there were links to Face Book, her Twitter account, and lots of Instagram pictures. The Instagram pictures showed her husband, mother, sister and 3 kids. I am very confident she was unaware how easily anyone could get more information beyond her ad.
The question is, should I email her and let her know? I once told a provider, while we were together, that I had searched her pictures to try to see her face. She was so offended that it almost ended the session immediately.
I am glad you agree with my overall comment FatVern.
The provider was trying to be low key, under the radar or cautious.
Then she wanted to be discreet and that is her right.
Which isn't enough.
If a provider has her face blurred out of the pictures.
Then it's clear she wants to remain anonymous and discreet.
I think what you are doing is not respecting her privacy!
However there were links to Face Book, her Twitter account, and lots of Instagram pictures. The Instagram pictures showed her husband, mother, sister and 3 kids. I am very confident she was unaware how easily anyone could get more information beyond her ad.
The question is, should I email her and let her know? I once told a provider, while we were together, that I had searched her pictures to try to see her face. She was so offended that it almost ended the session immediately.
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There are enterprising girls who use FAKE blurred pictures too.
If she lifted her own pics of the web, blurred her face and thought she would remain anonymous, she really didn't think that through. I would let her know, understanding that she may not want to ever see me. It's not like you have a long standing relationship with this lady, so you really aren't going to lose anything. She, on the other hand, stands to lose a great deal.
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I'd email her and let her know, but I'd create a totally new email address to do this from, just so if she does react negatively to this, it can't be traced back to you.
Every day on Regional Boards here on TER, guys ask questions about pictures and how to determine if pictures on an ad are really of the woman in the ad or someone else, ie: stolen. Every Day!! As we all know there is an epidemic of stolen pictures in this game and the advice to newbies is that images on a woman's ad should be checked using Tineye or Google Image. Google Image has become a much better resource that Tineye.
It's basic research. And, it is NOT disrespecting a woman's privacy, imo. These are public ads and using Google Image is a wise protocol to follow, especially when contemplating seeing someone who does not have a lot of reviews or is new to this life.
The OP asked a question, should he tell the woman about her pictures?. My answer, yes tell her and let the chips fall where they may. She should know so that she can make changes to protect her privacy. That should be the goal.
Some have posted that they think his research went too far. Maybe, but it is a fine line and if his interest in her family pics and social media is ONLY to tell her so she can make changes once she knows, then he is a good guy, not a creep. If it's more than that, yeah I agree, it's wrong.
However there were links to Face Book, her Twitter account, and lots of Instagram pictures. The Instagram pictures showed her husband, mother, sister and 3 kids. I am very confident she was unaware how easily anyone could get more information beyond her ad.
The question is, should I email her and let her know? I once told a provider, while we were together, that I had searched her pictures to try to see her face. She was so offended that it almost ended the session immediately.
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People don't seem to have an issue with the Google Image Search. The part that has been mentioned in responses is the extended research, which he obviously has interest in beyond ONLY telling her bc he just told us. That's quite a bit of needless research followed by a rather extraneous amount of info being shoehorned into the post for one so concerned with her privacy....
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You mention in several of your reviews that you routinely do internet detective shit to find face photos of girls who clearly don't want their faces seen. So it's not like you just stumbled upon this stuff by chance. You were ACTIVELY seeking it. Why, when you found that a reverse image search correlated to her modeling work, did you not think to yourself "oh shit! She probably doesn't realize that her name can be found out this way! I'd better bail. No need to invade her privacy any further"?! Instead, you took it a step further went through her social media profiles. And not only that, you continued to snoop to the point of correlating what relationship she has to different people in her photos! That's unconscionable.
I do think you should tell her, though. The poor girl should know that there are guys like you out there. Apparently you didn't learn your lesson when another lady chastised you for doing the same thing to her. Good god.
yes, it is totally weak that this guy is actively digging for info. Creepy. But telling him "no" is like telling a cat to ignore tuna, or telling a dog to ignore a cat. I've seen so many providers advertise that they have no problem showing face pics, providers working on twitter, providers working on FB...etcetera....
If you don't want the cat sniffing around, don't leave the can sittin' right out on the counter. Because----lots of these guys exist. Hell, a lot of "these guys" are potential employers, or potential creditors or, potentially, anyone else you might find yourself needing something from in the future.
Yeah, this guy is DB. But he only got there because a provider left a trail for him to follow. The Laissez-faire approach to social media, by some providers, completely blows my mind
Is guard her RL identity and carefully plant decoy social media under a "real" name and bio. Full rats take a break from scavenging. Lol
I totally agree that he needs to inform the stalkee. While the poster is repugnant the question he raised is legitimate. I think that the hobbyists' code of honor makes it incumbent to inform a provider of a serious problem even when the consequences may be negative for the messenger.
Not Weak. It's perfectly normal for mongers to google pictures, phone numbers , names. E mail addresses etc to see if she is who she says she is. Most guys are looking for stolen model's pictures, multiple ads under different names, numbers etc. and there is no shortage of that.
Sometimes you find out the girl has had media attention or been busted.
It's up to the girls to set things up so that pictures, E Mail etc. is not connected with their real life. If a guy is stupid enough to associate his monger info with his real life the girls do the same thing.
Girls often use spokeo, verify him and others to see where things lead to. Keep your personal info separate from your professional life and you won't have to worry.
If he tells her,it should be from another untraceable to him E Mail account so he is not accused of so-called "stalking."
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How was it necessary in the slightest bit to take the time to determine which people in her Instagram photos were her husband, mother, sister and children? He openly admits that he does this stuff to try and find photos of ladies not connected to their work personas. This isn't an issue of stolen photos or screening someone with voluntarily offered info. This is an issue of someone who repeatedly and without remorse spends his free time playing internet detective to track down things about these women that they clearly don't want being seen by potential clients. Just because he's capable of doing it doesn't make it any less reprehensible.
Sometimes you find out the girl has had media attention or been busted.
It's up to the girls to set things up so that pictures, E Mail etc. is not connected with their real life. If a guy is stupid enough to associate his monger info with his real life the girls do the same thing.
Girls often use spokeo, verify him and others to see where things lead to. Keep your personal info separate from your professional life and you won't have to worry.
If he tells her,it should be from another untraceable to him E Mail account so he is not accused of so-called "stalking."
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Tobi is pissed! Dude you better hide. I have it on good authority that her bite is worse than her bark ...
Assuming that your motives are pure (and most hookers will NOT think so), I think you will learn the eternal truth that no good deed goes unpunished.
And it really is none of your business. Some providers are understandably very sensitive/seriously paranoid about customers trying to pierce the veil between the two worlds - and there's just not going to be a good way to deal with that.
Further, IMHO, you really ought to stop doing that sort of research. No good will come of it... After all, do you really need to know this stuff.... Book her if her reviews float your boat. If not, move along
If we stumble upon a site with locked photos...
We should let her know.
I know one instance would be less creepier than the other.
And it really is none of your business. Some providers are understandably very sensitive/seriously paranoid about customers trying to pierce the veil between the two worlds - and there's just not going to be a good way to deal with that.
Further, IMHO, you really ought to stop doing that sort of research. No good will come of it... After all, do you really need to know this stuff.... Book her if her reviews float your boat. If not, move along.
I think you should tell her and you'll have to let the chips fall where they may. She might hate you and curse you for clicking on link after link after link. She might thank you from the bottom of her heart for alerting her to the situation so that she can delete or protect her private info and try to create a better wall between her two lives.
Something is wrong. You should try to fix it.
The internet means that we are no longer limited to interacting with just
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I'd have no problem letting this prostitute know that she's got all her other social media linked to her prostitution websites and ads.
Most of these prostitutes really don't have the common sense to stay off the social media. It's very easy to unblur photos as well. Just be aware that without the blurred photos many of these prostitutes are really very plain looking. Some are just downright homely.
However there were links to Face Book, her Twitter account, and lots of Instagram pictures. The Instagram pictures showed her husband, mother, sister and 3 kids. I am very confident she was unaware how easily anyone could get more information beyond her ad.
The question is, should I email her and let her know? I once told a provider, while we were together, that I had searched her pictures to try to see her face. She was so offended that it almost ended the session immediately.
Don't email her until you already researched for her social security number and order an Experian credit check along with criminal background check.
Then and only then do email her including everything that you got..
Yes I definitely think you should make her aware of what you found. However you should have posted this from a damn alias!! You basically just outed her to everyone reading your post. If you are really "trying to help her" why are you exposing her even more.
As a client, why is it OK for me to provide a link to my work web site, phone number to my employer, and county where I live to get screened, but not OK for me to research a provider as much as I can? The first agency that screened me, before I had ever seen my 1st provider, called me after all I had provided them was my name and cell phone number. He wanted to verify, meaning they already had the information from some other source, a previous address, my mom's house, and a previous roommate, my sister, as well as other personal information that I had not provided. The agencies are obviously doing research to verify I m not LE. If they do nothing with that research afterwards, I accept that as the price to play. When I am researching a provider, why should it matter what I find out about her if that information stays in my head?
I most often will not see a provider if I cannot see her face in a picture. Beauty matters to me too much. As one commenter has already said, there are many homely providers out there. They are not my choice, regardless of their bodies. Is it superficial? Yes, but why is it wrong?
What you did not have, was permission to look up her personal information.
There's a difference there
There's a difference there.
There's a difference there.
You could argue that by allowing her personal info to be completely accessible, there is implied permission. I'm not saying that digging into personal info is right, but I also think that finding out as much info as is readily available on a provider is not imprudent
If all you did was look I don't see any big deal since it's up to the person to close off their social media. I don't care about their real name but I love to get their DOB to see by how many years they lied about their age. LOL
Bottom line: It's what you do with the info. If you keep it to yourself it's no big deal. If you try to harm the person with it then it is reprehensible
First of all, verifying whether or not a lady meets your personal attractiveness standards is NOT the same as verifying that a client isn't a cop, a stalker, a violent criminal, or a ripoff artist.
Notice that no one in this thread is calling you out for wanting to see providers who are attractive to you. What everyone is trying to tell you is that deliberately and repeatedly crossing boundaries is creepy and morally reprehensible. If you need to know that someone is attractive and their photos/reviews aren't enough for you without a face photo, then just assume that everyone who blurs/crops their faces is fugs and move on. You are completely disregarding the fact that these women are blurring/cropping their faces because they don't want them to be seen. Why is it so difficult for you to let them retain that boundary? Apparently a woman's privacy and comfort are irrelevant when it comes to having your physical desires met. That's pretty sick.
I most often will not see a provider if I cannot see her face in a picture. Beauty matters to me too much. As one commenter has already said, there are many homely providers out there. They are not my choice, regardless of their bodies. Is it superficial? Yes, but why is it wrong?