I know that most of the crap that gets posted here is nonsense. I particularly find the prostitutes that embellish their incredible day jobs and they are so narcissistic to warrant their exclusivity.
At least I can buy the world traveler crap somewhat. I'm sure that a few of the prostitutes actually have flown in a big silver bird. Probably to see the family in Arkansas, but I guess that's world travel.
But back to the real world jobs. Some members here claim that they know prostitutes who are attorneys. How does that work? She'll squeeze you in between a deposition? I think the level of gullibility amongst johns is only exceeded by the prostitutes sense of entitlement.
I don't know why that is a lie maybe they want to pay off student loans? I know one girl who is trying to be a rock star and I know she is going to make it big one day
is to suck my dick lol.
It's great if a lady has lucrative career outside the hobby, but I think it would only be relevant to know if I was to be in a real relationship with her.
There are several reasons this may be relevant. How discrete is she? For some men knowing that she has something more to risk is reassuring. I personally have a professional licence at stake.
Some men may be looking for a date that they can take to a professional event. They want to be assured that she can dress the part, and be able to hang with the conversation between colleagues etc.
For others it's just wanting to spend time with someone who shows an interest in different things.
For the 60 minute, wham, bamm, thank you mam types, it's not usually so important, but for someone who is looking for a long dinner date, they want to see something more substantial.
Any woman who posses the wright knowledge could pull this off, weather or not she actually has a career would still be irrelevant.
You mentioned that a gainfully employed woman would be more discreet, because she has a career and more to lose. I find that funny, because she most likely is not using her real name/title when being introduced to guests.
Does your PL have the name Elania Amhurst on it?
Any woman who posses the wright knowledge could pull this off, weather or not she actually has a career would still be irrelevant.
You mentioned that a gainfully employed woman would be more discreet, because she has a career and more to lose. I find that funny, because she most likely is not using her real name/title when being introduced to guests.
Does your PL have the name Elania Amhurst on it?
I didn't say she would be more discreet. I'm am sure there are plenty of providers who are as discrete as myself, and work solely as providers. I only said that for some men this will put them at greater ease.
And of course my PL does not have my provider name on it.
You should have said it was you was speaking exclusively about yourself, and not other women.
Is that you wouldn't or can't spend the money to take a companion with you on a business trip or a vacation? In the last 12 months I've "flown in a big silver bird" 7 times, only once to see my family
I don't take prostitutes with me for a vacation. Nor for a business trip. Wherever I go there are plenty of prostitutes to call and see if I wanted that action. I guess I'll take you at your word that some guys paid you to go on holiday.
I can't imagine that you only went to Arkansas with them.
What's your real job? I'm sure it's fascinating.
Is it because you want to believe that we are all one dimensional wenches, who can only survive on your benevolence?
Is it because you don't travel yourself so often, so you can't imagine a lowly prostitute does?
Or is it because you don't have such a great career yourself, that you can't imagine one of us ladies is doing better than you
out of my mouth. I never pry into a provider's life, but know many
who've shared some of their life stories including their day job's non -hobby related issues. IRL issues. They have an alternative career that they intend to fall back on.
Many are as intelligent if not more so than anyone I've met here and IRL
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Anything outside the hobby that a lady does or doesn't do is really none of your business ;
but the ladies are the ones putting this "info" out there.
the only thing that IS his business..........is anything that happens between him and a provider.......during their appointment.
Anything outside of THAT is none of his business. Not one single bit!
especially from of all your posts
Most ladies I've seen, Providing is their only job. I hate the word Prostitute. One I know is working as an accountant at a business firm. Two are Massage Therapists. They went to school for Massage Therapy. Got their certificates and graduated. They offer FS to their trusted clients.
or at least the jobs they claim by self report generate a mean income of $141, 510, (zero to $300,000 was the reported annual income range), according to the study of TER members by our very own Love Goddess.
Wonder why such wealthy guys would complain about prices so much, much less try to negotiate reductions? Particularly since the study also found one-third of clients of indoor sex workers want to have a personal relationship with their provider. Eww. Are you in that one third?
Of course, many if not the majority of the TER ladies have jobs, or at least self- report that they do according to the LG study of the ladies. They don’t really make that much as a group, so I tend to give this part of the survey a lot of credibility
Why wouldn't a guy making less than $500 a DAY be concerned about paying $500 an HOUR for something he considers a hobby?
And do you really believe all the baloney promulgated by a self ordained Love Goddess? Her polls mean less to me than the early polls in a Presidential election. Wasn't Jeb Bush supposed to be a contender according to the polls? and weren't the likes of Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump supposed to have already dropped out ceding the way for Hillary and Bush to assume their rightful places at the table?
Let's put it this way, most of the "hobbyists" here are married, at even one two hour date a week at a grand a date, the typical guy here would be spending over a third of his pretax income on hookers, before even beginning to feed, house and clothe his family. That doesn't sound exactly wealthy to me.
I'm pretty sure 100,000 and above has been upper middle class for quite some time. What do you consider wealthy? If you can't make it work on 12,000 a month, you should probably reassess your life choices.
and at your rates, for which I certainly don't begrudge you, you don't even need to work 30 hours a month to make that much. Your hourly rate still exceeds most of these "wealthy" men's daily pay if that is how much they make. but keep in mind, I am not one of the guys bitching about the rate hookers charge. I am in the oil business which means I am getting killed right now, but I still don't whine about it. I will leave that for others.
I don't really care if you make $140 grand a month. Why should you care if I spend more than $12 grand a month to keep up my lifestyle. Personally I would starve to death living in someplace like NYC on twelve grand a month. Three to four grand a month for anyplace even halfway decent to live, taxes and one hooker a week and poof there goes your 12 grand before you have even filled your refrigerator.
I don't know exactly where I would make the cut off from comfortable to wealthy, but it would be at a lot higher income than $12 grand a month.
of those with money. I grew up comfortably with lots of luxuries, lacking nothing, with a larger than 3 person household on half of that number (140). 100,000 is arguably used as the upper limit of middle class, so it is by and large considered wealthy. I don't feel like actually having a socioeconomic discussion but this is exactly in line with the whole idea of the erosion of the middle class. When people are making 140,000 and consider themselves middle class when their living situations and circumstances have nothing in common financially with those at 50,000.
I have never, at any rate, worked 30 hrs a month. I have a job. I've always had a job. I'll always be financially stable without this. I just paid off student loans and built my nest egg faster. Do I make anywhere near that? Absolutely not. You're speaking in hypothetical and I'm speaking of real examples. People with families in cities big and small are making due with a 1/3 or 1/4 of that.
People get raises and their lifestyles inflate. Make it 130,000 and the same person is not going to starve, they prioritize and budget.
I don't care how anyone spends their money. But if your lifestyle necessitates 12,000 a month, you're wealthy. Whether or not you choose to save, invest, or spend it all is your call. End of story.
Would $100,000 a year go? After taxes I'd gather not far. As I understand it, taxes are pretty high, 8.5% on $100K, and I don't think real estate is cheap either. Just curious on how someone could live "well" in DC for say $60K a year after tax much less with a family to support.
You make it work! LOL no one ever thinks they have enough money! That's the point. Ask someone the magic number to solve all their financial problems. Give it to them and in 2 years they'll need more. That's how it goes. When you decide you want or need something you figure out how to budget it in.
See how simple that is?
No one "gives me" anything. I earn what I make, and I don't bitch about it to others if it's not enough. I have been at both ends of the financial spectrum and I am sure at several times in my life I have been a LOT broker than you, I am also positive at other times I have pissed away more in a few hours than you make in a year. The difference between us is I am not trying to tell you how much money you should be happy with, or anyone else for that matter. The one thing I am pretty confident of is that you have never tried to take care of a family, save for retirement, pay taxes and have a life on twelve grand gross a month. If you had, you would not by any means call such people wealthy. Obviously they are doing better than people making half that, but they are by no means wealthy.
They don't. Many people in "D.C." are long-time, career, federal employees who are married to other career federal employees. Two GS- 13s (govt scale) make about 200K a year combined. Roughly 100K each. They live in the suburbs because taxes in D.C. are not affordable. Housing is very very expensive too. So to answer your question, How far in D.C. would $100,000 a year go? Not far. You are talking living in a shity apartment outside of the beltway and riding the train into work. Many federal employees out in Denver or Seattle will turn down promotions to DC because it turns out to be a net loss in income-even with the pay raise. D.C. agencies have a tough time getting talent. That should explain a lot.
Well, considering that the median household (personal would be less) income in the USA was $53k in the year 2014, I will bet that a large majority of people would consider $141k wealthy. Myself included.
And do you really believe all the baloney promulgated by a self ordained Love Goddess? Her polls mean less to me than the early polls in a Presidential election. Wasn't Jeb Bush supposed to be a contender according to the polls? and weren't the likes of Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump supposed to have already dropped out ceding the way for Hillary and Bush to assume their rightful places at the table?
Let's put it this way, most of the "hobbyists" here are married, at even one two hour date a week at a grand a date, the typical guy here would be spending over a third of his pretax income on hookers, before even beginning to feed, house and clothe his family. That doesn't sound exactly wealthy to me.
As for me, as you well know, I don't ever complain about a price, that's what whiners do.
I actually try and do something about them. Lol
And the reason I "negotiate reductions" is bc the gals are very open to those types of discussions.
I wonder why that is?
Hmmmmmmm.....
Carry on.
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Reporting the mean (average) can be very misleading with a group such as this. The MEDIAN is much less deceptive.
Here are is an example for incomes (in thousands):
100 140 78 34 45 40 50 300 246
Sum = 1033
Mean (average) = 1033/9 = 114
Median = 50
Now I add an estimated value for Bob Sugar worth to the list. (Sorry, BS, if I my estimate is inaccurate.)
100 140 78 34 45 40 50 300 246 678482
Sum = 679515
Mean (average) = 67,952
Median = 89
Those high income high rollers can skew the AVERAGE (mean) much more than they skew the MEDIAN.
The message to providers is that one or a few deep pocketed individuals who burn money are not representative of the Average Joe, I should say, MEDIAN JOE
were deemed ineligible to participate in the survey on sui gneris grounds.
And while your scholarly explanation of “skewing the mean” would be impressive on a board less filled with polymaths, you overlooked that the Love Goddess gave the “range” at zero to $300,000, no doubt for the very purpose of validating the mean
Please excuse my assumptions. I did not read the research protocol or read LG's results and conclusions.
I am wondering if Buffett, Gates, Sugar, et al. were EXCLUDED or were they allowed to participate in the poll at the 300k upper limit?
I still think that reporting the median and mean is useful to better understand the community, at least those that did participate in the poll.
And while your scholarly explanation of “skewing the mean” would be impressive on a board less filled with polymaths, you overlooked that the Love Goddess gave the “range” at zero to $300,000, no doubt for the very purpose of validating the mean.
But did meet a few nurses. Lo
The nurse and the paralegal provided because they loved doing it. The realtor was building a stake to become a real estate investor, did so, and left the life. I admire all of them.
but your post has a rather negative tone to it...........are you having a bad day? Clearly you could have articulated what I am guessing is the gist of your post...........in a much less abrasive manner.
I get that there's some amusing hucksterism on the sites, but that's not always the case. I've known a couple of coworkers who had other careers but were laid off/unemployed temporarily and spent the days off looking and interviewing. Neither lasted more than a few months as they found work again, but I wouldn't say they were conning anyone in mentioning having outside careers.
Some do freelance work or have a side job but lie about the specifics for privacy reasons. It's dishonest, but when you seem busy/unavailable to clients, some start prying and speculating. When that happens, being vague only fans the flames. A little smokescreen about the side job can be far more representative of their actual lives than the inevitable conclusion that they are supporting crackhead husbands and 5 idiot kids.
As far as the really outlandish ad narratives go, most likely are bs, but exactly what their constituency wants. Some guys want the detailed sites that reek of glitz, 'market segmentation', etc. Why fault a girl for delivering on that front?
So if telling the truth is not an option due to privacy issues, and telling him to "fuck off" will impact your wallet, what's left but to tell a few harmless stories?
and I quite agree, if the truth is you are supporting a dead beat husband or a crack habit, I really don't want to know. but unlike the BSU's looking for love, I won't be asking you.
"Maybe I'll tell you eventually" for intrusive questions, if one were interested in avoiding lies and pulling regulars. Lol
Don't know of any with a day job (other than school). Might be the age range I see. 
If claims are outright jiggery-pokery, it's usually pretty obvious from posts or websites. Some ladies, no matter what else they are doing, are clearly quite capable, but I assume those who actually sound like they have other options in life are a turn-off to you (and I genuinely hope that is true).
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I was wondering because you are probably the kind of guy who gets good girls to date you and was wondering if you would be able to tell me how you know so much about escorts. thank you
I do prefer bad girls in P4P.
The good girls don't do this stuff.
well can you teach me how to get bad girls or do you know anyone?
Not me!! Just another lame ,attention seeking shock value post...yawn..
There may be some women with careers who dabble in the hobby for extra cash but men hobby predominantly during business hours so my guess is they're not in it for the $$$$. Maybe just the thrill. Once in a blue moon a former hooker may hook up with someone during the evening but the motivation diminishes. If she's career busy, that's her focus therefore yields little time for getting into her hooker persona mojo brain, screening, keeping an incall, booking a hotel and everything else required to stay safe. So having done both, I'm 99.999% sure there aren't any hookers front and center, who are juggling a demanding career posting on this board. There's just no time for both. One's going to suffer because we all have to sleep.
I wouldn't knock world traveled. You'd be surprised. I once hooked a fish and while we didn't travel the world, we did travel the states and often. 100% all expenses paid and I returned safely each and every time with a substantial stack of cash. Indeed, there are many fish in the sea. He was actually a regular fellow. Didn't even know about TER until I told him so he wasn't the typical kind of John you'd meet here. Man, what a lucrative ride. Found another fish here and retired shortly thereafter. The fish are plentiful
At least I can buy the world traveler crap somewhat. I'm sure that a few of the prostitutes actually have flown in a big silver bird. Probably to see the family in Arkansas, but I guess that's world travel.
But back to the real world jobs. Some members here claim that they know prostitutes who are attorneys. How does that work? She'll squeeze you in between a deposition? I think the level of gullibility amongst johns is only exceeded by the prostitutes sense of entitlement.
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I disagree....just like some women can have amazing careers and be super moms, some women can have careers and and be successful escorts.
Not every career is *that* demanding. Some jobs are actually perfect for it. Nurses come to mind. Many nurses work three twelve hour shifts, and then have four days off. Real estate agents, usually make their own schedule, so fitting a few other clients here and there is no big deal. There are tons of these examples where women can make their own schedule and fit hobbying in. Would it be ideal if you are working banking hours, and expected to take work home with you at night? Probably not.
For me, once I got my system down, booking a couple of dates a week doesn't take much time at all. Booking a hotel for instance takes less than 5 min if I know the area. If however a woman doesn't have amazing organizational skills then there are plenty of personal assistants out there to take over that end of things.
So, do I think most women can work full time as escorts, and have a full time demanding career? No. Is it entirely possible to have a career, and successfully hobby, or conversely hobby full time, and work part time on the side? Yes, absolutely.
Just because you weren't able to pull the two worlds off simultaneously, doesn't mean that others can't or don't want to.
That's pretty clueless to believe RE Agents make their own hours. Their clients dictate their hours if they want to make a sale. They're touring homes, negotiating contracts, prospecting, checking home values and the list goes on. Perhaps why so many RE Agents become hookers. Melissa Wolfe aka Sugarloaf Madam according to the media/tabloids was a RE Agent too. Big difference having a license and being an active Agent. No such thing as career work-life balance and also being a full time hooker. You can fuck a few here and there but your presence front and center in this arena ain't gonna happen if you are a professional with a "demanding" career. If I worked part time selling square card readers, selling skin care at the cosmetics counter in the mall, or some other menial part-time job I might have time to be posting actively and very presently engaged in the hobby too. Every hooker at some point must decide to either get off their backs and back out into the real world or retire an old whore. You don't hear too many success stories with women who exit the hobby in their 40's and 50's. I wouldn't suggest any super whore is a super mom. Sure you can do both...fuck strange men and be a mom too but if you can't always be there for your kid at times simply because you're out fucking a John...to me doesn't equate super. It's nice to actually be able to take my children to the office to meet the colleagues today. No longer having to look them in the eye and lie about what I'm doing and where I'm going and praying the reference checked out and I'll safely return home to them. Living a lie all those years sucked and I'm glad that part is behind me. I was 10 years active, highly reviewed, front and center, extremely present hooker so you're preaching to the choir. Yeah, I too would post here saying what I needed to say to convince myself and others what a super multitasking whore I was too. It's a big fat lie smoke and mirrors routine to hook your big fat fish who doesn't give a fuck in the grand scheme of things. It just creates enough intrigue they can't resist because they want to cozy up to you and pick away at your mind to see just how full of shit and full of yourself you really are. You're just a pawn in the game. But that's just my truth. I get its not yours
Kudos to you for having the answers. I wish you nothing but the best. It's obviously working for you!
Not every career is *that* demanding. Some jobs are actually perfect for it. Nurses come to mind. Many nurses work three twelve hour shifts, and then have four days off. Real estate agents, usually make their own schedule, so fitting a few other clients here and there is no big deal. There are tons of these examples where women can make their own schedule and fit hobbying in. Would it be ideal if you are working banking hours, and expected to take work home with you at night? Probably not.
For me, once I got my system down, booking a couple of dates a week doesn't take much time at all. Booking a hotel for instance takes less than 5 min if I know the area. If however a woman doesn't have amazing organizational skills then there are plenty of personal assistants out there to take over that end of things.
So, do I think most women can work full time as escorts, and have a full time demanding career? No. Is it entirely possible to have a career, and successfully hobby, or conversely hobby full time, and work part time on the side? Yes, absolutely.
Just because you weren't able to pull the two worlds off simultaneously, doesn't mean that others can't or don't want to.
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That was what my post was all about.
I'll work on that delivery.
You should change that antagonistic handle if you want to be taken seriously...if you give a fuck that is. On the other hand, there isn't anything serious about this board. The risky shit happens beyond the board with whacky whores and whacky Johns. It can wreck your future in the blink of an eye. Ahhh, tha thrill of it!
I'll work on that delivery.
You come across as a cop, or pimp. No credibility here.
FYI, what evidence do you have that providers don't have lives besides the hobby?
A few feel that hookers are dumb, can't manage their money, have no education, liars and cheats and are on drugs.
Like most microcosms in a society there are those just like that, and there are those tricks who lie and cheat, are dumb, can't manage their money and are into drugs.
Some tricks just have to believe they are better than a lowly hooker. Yet I guess those same hookers are not too lowly see when the urge strikes.
Oh the evidence...what evidence. Unless the johns in questions know exactly the state of a hookers education, bank balance and drug screen, they are talking out their ample asses.
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know of one that drives for Uber.
Providing full time can be tempting. You are your own boss, set your own hours and pay. But many ladies want the safety of guaranteed income. I think it's funny that some "gentleman" here think providers are stupid. Have you ever tried to run a business? It's not so easy. On top of that, many ladies work or go to school.
Yes, there are providers who have successful careers outside the hobby. I know many of them. Just because you are ignorant doesn mean we aren't out there.
I have a profession...a vanilla life. We are sisters, mothers, daughters...I do not indulge in fantasy life 24:7 and for those who do that is a choice. Either way does not matter, but for me, I like the balance of lifestyles.
I don't feel that societies norm fits my lifestyle and belief systems. I don't want to work at a job that I hate for the rest of my life. I already tried that and it sucked big time. I am still paying off student loans for a degree and the profession isn't all its cracked up to be. I rather be paid to be the wonderful effervescent human being that I am. I rather save all that money and invest or own my own business. Wealth is built over time. Why work at a day job hating my life everyday when I can spend my days in deep reflection, reading, learning, traveling, meditation, yoga, volunteering and being the best version of myself. I often feel sorry for people that package themselves in neat little labels. Then again I am a rebel.
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