as long as you insist on using protection,you should be fine....the truth of the matter is that you cannot be there every time somebody has sex to make sure condoms are used...for example, you cannot control what is she doing in her personal life. she could be having bare sex with her bf who is cheating on her and could give her an std...that will never show up on the reviews...
the bottom line just use protection, have fun and do not freak outI was doing some research on a potential lady to see. I read some of her reviews and they seemed pretty good and all matched in performance and looks grade. I PM'd a reviewer as his review left some things open that I had to clarify. I sent the PM asking a few questions pertaining to his date with her and he let me know that I was indeed right and that the provider did go BARE BACK with him.
If she did it with him are there others?
Should I out the provider so others can stay safe?
Help me.....I am really confused as to what to do.
You can bet your ass she's doing BBFS with others, but don't "out" her! First, you don't know for sure. Second, it's none of your business. Just put her on your DNS list and move on.
If she did it with him are there others?
Should I out the provider so others can stay safe?
Help me.....I am really confused as to what to do.
does not mean you have to. Your decision sir!
PM me her name though
LMFAO
If she did it with him are there others?
Should I out the provider so others can stay safe?
Help me.....I am really confused as to what to do.
PM a few others, but be circumspect.
Believe it or not, there are some guys out there who..... LIE! Yep, they do.
He might be angry with her or looking to sabotage her for other unknown reasons, Could be he's possessive and wants to keep her all to himself.
Do your homework first, but definitely proceed with caution.
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sound advice..
Believe it or not, there are some guys out there who..... LIE! Yep, they do.
He might be angry with her or looking to sabotage her for other unknown reasons, Could be he's possessive and wants to keep her all to himself.
Do your homework first, but definitely proceed with caution.
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Can you trust the reviewer's contention that the provider went bareback?
The doubt this creates in your mind would suggest that you not see her.
The same doubt would suggest that you not out her. Your information is hearsay.
Because if you do, you then start a cascade of shit that could place you on a dns list. You have a he said situation...like for instance how would you feel if I checked a reference and she told me you pushed for BB? And then I outed you? Just on one hookers word
If I pushed for bareback with an escort, I would expect to be outed for that.
Sometimes you say stuff that truly makes me sick.. You are goddamn right I would share info like that.
I wouldn't give a cascading shit as to what the repercussions were.
We are talking about life, and death here. That outweighs a stupid reputation on a fuck board.
Fucking unbelievable
You completely missed my point. I was illuminating the high possibility of a lie as in you only have one person's word. Put yourself in the position of the one who is being accused of pushing for BB and in reality you did not...and she outed you. And how do you suppose he is going to prove she actually did offer it?
THAT was what I was going for, so back the fuck off you insignificant little prick!
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I have a nice cock though?😇
Illuminate all you want dumb ass.
Yes she is likely doing so with other.
No you shouldn't out her. First all you have is hearsay. Second all sex work is potentially high risk. If you play safe your risk is minimal as condoms are real effective in preventing the spread of HIV. You have to assume everyone is barebacking someone. If you don't you must realize your running a numbers game and though HIV has a low transference rate from pitching in vaginal sex but sooner or later odds are against you given enough goes. So the warning isn't helpful.
^ true everyone is barebacking someone.. many providers have partners at home they live with or bf's they see "outside of work"
They dont know what their partners are doing when they aren't home.
This is why its SO important to keep getting tested... because actually aside from HIV.. all the other STIs *** CAN *** be transmitted via ORAL sex.. and basically everyone is doing BBBJ.
To the OP: Again, as others have pointed out ,. it could be a lie for various reasons .. even if only to brag.
Dont take one persons word for it but if in doubt DONT
No you shouldn't out her. First all you have is hearsay. Second all sex work is potentially high risk. If you play safe your risk is minimal as condoms are real effective in preventing the spread of HIV. You have to assume everyone is barebacking someone. If you don't you must realize your running a numbers game and though HIV has a low transference rate from pitching in vaginal sex but sooner or later odds are against you given enough goes. So the warning isn't helpful.
http://www.thebodypro.com/content/68672/putting-a-number-on-it-the-risk-from-an-exposure-t.html
HIV rate per 100,000 people: In California whites have aids/HIV around 9 per 100,000. These numbers include high risk gays and IV drug users.
Receptive vaginal
0.018%-0.150% average 0.08%
Insertive vaginal
0.03%-0.09% average 0.04%
For a female
9/100,000 chance of seeing a client with aids and then a 8/10,000 chance of actually getting aids from them. It's about half that much risk for men.
In California:
9/100,000 x 8/10,000 = 0.000000072 or 72 per 100,000,000 encounters of penile-vaginal sex for a female to get HIV. Half for men.
72 out of 100 million for women and 36 of 100 million for men.
It's still lottery odds that anybody gets it from penile-vaginal sex.
The 9 per 100,000 number is for NEW diagnoses of HIV/AIDS within a given year per 100,000 people. The total proportion of people living with HIV/AIDS is actually much higher than that. At the end of 2012, there were about 1.2 million people living with HIV/AIDS in the United States. If the population was close to 320 million, that works out to be about 375 per 100,000 living with HIV/AIDS. That is for the whole U.S., I'm not sure if California is greater or less than the average (though I would assume greater). Also, the transmission rates you gave only accounts for one unprotected encounter. If the infected client (or provider) has several repeat visits, then the risk for the uninfected party goes up greatly. The odds are still low even if a person does choose to play recklessly. However, its not quite the "lottery odds" that your post would suggest.
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Your numbers assume that *everybody* who has HIV is having unprotected sex. It is extremely unlikely that many people are knowingly having unprotected sex with HIV.
Using the CDC stats you provide it says that 12.8% don't know they have HIV. It's debatable that it's that many but assume 13% don't know. That is 48 per 100,000.
00048x 0008= 000000384. That's still 384 out of 100 million contacts for women and 192 out of 100 million for men. Regardless of how you play with the numbers, the possibility of getting HIV from penile/vaginal sex is remote
Fair enough. I agree with your rebuttal that the people spreading HIV will primarily be the people not realizing they have the virus. However, IMO the 384 out of 100 million and 192 out of 100 million statistics do not really mean much. Those are the chances for one encounter. Once you have contracted the virus, it doesn't matter how many more times it has been transmitted to you. A more meaningful statistic would be if I had unprotected penile-vaginal sex with an infected partner 500 times, what is the likelihood that I have or have not contracted the virus.
If receptive
Probability of not contracting the virus
1-.0008=.9992
repeating the event over 500 times
.9992^500=.6702
67.02% probability that the virus has not been contracted
32.98% probability that it has been contracted
If insertive
Probability of not contracting the virus
1-.0004=.9996
repeating the event over 500 times
.9996^500=.8187
81.87% probability that the virus has not been contracted
18.18% probability that it has been contracted
While I agree that the possibility of contracting HIV from penile/vaginal sex is remote, engaging in unprotected and risky sex acts with multiple people certainly increases the chances. The reason why the United states is mostly safe in p4p is because most people do use protection combined with good health care.
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Most escorts and mongers get tested every three months. 500 "events" is a ridiculous number. Once a week for 3 months would be 12 "events." Most don't repeat weekly but for the sake of argument I'll say once a week.This is with somebody who already has HIV.
If receptive:
.9992^12= 9904
It's still only a 1% probability of getting HIV
For insertive
.9996^12=0.9952
one half of one percent.
I am not advocating indiscriminate BBFS but it's hardly the risk people think it is.
Forensic scientists traced the first death from AIDs back to 1969. Nevada whorehouses were Bareback from 1971 until 1988. The number of HIV cases was zero. That's out of millions of "events."
In the porn industry every outbreak for 30 years has been traced back to a patient zero that was a bisexual/gay male. Some tried to deny it but it's all on film. The only females who contracted it got it from passive ANAL sex. 30 years and millions of sex scenes and still no vaginal transmission. BTW: Organized testing was not done in porn until 1998.
Anything is possible but it is still safer to have unprotected sex than many every day things. Nothing is risk free and that includes sex with condoms
I agree that unprotected heterosexual sex is not the risk that most people believe it to be, but it still is a risk. I believe that Magic Johnson is completely heterosexual and a non IDU individual ( for charlie, I have some doubt). So while the risk is far greater gay and bisexual men, the risk is still real for heterosexuals. Chances are good that a straight person will never contract the virus even if they don't exercise great caution. The disease is less common than most people think, and the transmission rate is less than most people believe. However, just because the odds are in my favor doesn't mean that I want to, or even think it's a good idea to test out the theory.
you may need to back off for a while. You're in too close - too involved.
I could stand at the front door of a bar next to the bouncer and shout out "people go home and bareback with each other at this bar! Don't go in!"
Guess what? EVERYONE COMES A RUNNIN!
You'll make it worse, OR potentially endanger the woman to a bunch of lunatics who will get pissed off when they arrive and she in fact doesn't do bareback.
Stay out of it. You'll just make it worse
Why give a flying rat's ass if a provider gave bbfs? or to be more precise, if the "rumor" is that she did because unless she offers it to you specifically there's no 100% definite proof that she did to anybody else before you.
If one worries that much either do not see her or see her with protection. That's good enough
But don't out her.
Even if the guy you pm'd had seen her ten times and they trust eachother and feel comfortable with one another, she went bareback with the guy. How many other regulars did she offer bareback to? In this industry, although tempting at times, it's simply not worth the risk.
Play it safe but have fun
D.
Could a provider have bbfs with you if you didn't want it? I'd venture to say no.
I can't cum with a condom on 98% of the time (I've had one lady recently who made it happen). I miss vaginal O's and must see bbbj providers in order to cum. Oh how I'd love to have bbs again, but it's against everything that we hold ourselves to in our life, so there's no way I'm not going to have a condom on in our sport.
You seem to be placing all the responsibility and accountability on her, perhaps you should consider outing him.
I am fucked up in a lot of ways, I like things that some women think is degrading, although its not degrading that does it for me, its how great it looks. But that said I keep a keen eye on the indelible line and I toe that line without fail.
Someday I'll be able to O regularly with a condom on, I have one provider who makes it happen. It's my issue to get over, but until I do completely I'll just have to rip off the condom and let her finish me orally.
as long as you insist on using protection,you should be fine....the truth of the matter is that you cannot be there every time somebody has sex to make sure condoms are used...for example, you cannot control what is she doing in her personal life. she could be having bare sex with her bf who is cheating on her and could give her an std...that will never show up on the reviews...
the bottom line just use protection, have fun and do not freak out
A bbfs thread without a reply from ROGM?!
by multiple sources, then you should bail. If only one guy tells you this, how credible is he? Do you personally know him? Or, is he some guy you just sent a PM to? There are certain guys I know that I can trust, met them at a M & G, have similar tastes, etc.
whether or not you are new here.............but if you read a significant number of posts.........you can learn a lot about people who post here.
The women.........almost to a "T" are ALL usually honest..........helpful...........and intent on intelligent dialogue.
The men.........many are the same..........but a select few are assholes.............have seen a couple of these so called "hobbyists" downright disrespect providers.........and hide behind the façade of "joking"..........or playing up an online, TER persona.
Normally we can tell which group are the assholes..........but not always..........as articulately mentioned here..........some may have an axe to grind..........or are simply mean spirited in a covert way.
Don't believe everything you read.............normally YOUR instinct will guide you best