I hadn't heard of any problems. Do you have any more information?
What is the purpose of TER profiles? I just contacted a provider that I saw was in my area (TER ad board), I am Whitelisted but still sent her that provider's info plus another reputable provider's name and info. She emails me and says that if I have either P411 or Date-check it will speed up the process (I have neither). She says she will get back to me when she hears from them, so the morning comes and I don't hear from her so i email her asking was there a problem. She emails me back saying that she didn't hear back from the other girls and could I either send her another 2 providers or my work info or IDs.
So what is the point of TER and writing reviews if you still need to pay for P411 or Date-check?
Does one scratch the others back?
Do you also think reading Yelp reviews gets you reservations at a restaurant?
TER and P411/DC are two very different beasts serving very different purposes. I'm really not understanding how or why you have arrived at this problem.
How can you not understand how or why when I am clearly telling you how. Or did you not completely read the post and just couldn't wait to be the first one to post a troll reply. The provider posted her ad on TER, so unless I am missing something here she has a profile and is able to check out references herself. P411/DC are verification avenues in which a client pays a fee to get a thumbs up or ok so that providers can know the client is safe correct? TER also requires a fee, and or a certain number of reviews in which you can attain VIP status and read/write reviews and VIP providers can also read reviews, correct?
TER VIP gets you access to full reviews and PMs, amongst a few other things. What in the great big blue fuck does that have to do with a provider not responding to a reference request?
TER is not in any form a verification service for a hobbyist, it exists so that you can verify that *providers* are who/what they say they are, based on anecdotal evidence from others who have visited them. P411 and DC are verification services for hobbyists, so that providers can verify that *hobbyists* (i.e. you, I wouldn't have spelled it out so plainly ordinarily but you leave me with little choice) are who they say they are.
Just because you pay for TER doesn't mean you're automatically good to go with every provider under the sun, nor should it, nor will it ever. Please use all of your brain cells at once instead of lining them up in single file.
Noted, but if you read the post instead of hurrying to flex your vast knowledge of the hobbying world, then clearly you would have seen that I was asking a question, not soliciting a troll response. The purpose of the post was not to bring light to the fact that she did not respond to reference request, I was asking if she indeed has access to post ads, respond via PM and read reviews and know what Whitelists are, then why can that knowledge not be used to verify clients?
Can you not work that out from her response to you asking for different references means that whitelists don't mean anything to this provider? If you want to see any provider, you either meet her requirements for doing so or you don't. Clearly you didn't. Good grief.
You might not have been soliciting a troll response, but you keep earning them nonetheless.
As I said previously, your point is noted, and if you have nothing that will add to the conversation then exit stage left, I don't need the negativity and or back and forth. And if you were trying to be helpful, then a PM explaining the differences would have sufficed. As to earning troll responses, there is no such thing, because at the end of the day, you made a CHOICE to reply to MY post about the question I was asking.
Well now let's see... I started civilly enough stating I didn't understand your indignation; that I didn't understand why you were upset that TER and DC/P411 are completely different services. You proceeded to then imply I was an idiot AND a troll, so guess what amigo, if you don't 'need the negativity and or back and forth', maybe you should start looking inwardly. You did this to yourself in quite literally every way; both this post and the situation you found yourself in that caused you to post it.
Apparently I did not know that the services were completely different as they both serve similar capacities within the hobbying world. What was not to understand about the question I asked? You should replace the word civilly with arrogantly or ass-holishly, it fits better. I don't think I said once I was pissed or upset about the requirement of said provider (maybe it was the emoji), nor the fact that TER and DC/P411 were different services. But as I also said, you seemed so very anxious to respond in a manner that would make my question look idiotic and clueless, and at the same time pedestal yourself as the great guru of hobbying that you are. Google internet troll, it fits you well
Except that they don't. They're not even close. Hence my original confusion as to how you could be confused by this.
And now we're at name calling! How mature.
Two references are fine in most cases, but only if they both respond back to her.
It actually sounds like this lady is trying to work with you, but you can't blame her if your references are getting back to her.
TER was never meant to be a verification site for hookers, except for the poorly thought out Lux verify app. Most women don't blindly accept WL's as a reference as their is so much abuse in the WL system. I recently checked my own WL's and to my surprise I have three that I have never had sessions with, I have no idea why they WL'd me an even after contacting them two of them insist they have seen me, but they are states I don't even travel to.
Sorry you are having problems getting verified, but this unnamed hooker gave you good advice, if you are having problems getting screened join a verification service. Personally I am a huge P 411 fan. I have almost no issues getting screened and I don't have a single review to my name.
Thank You GaGambler, my mistake. As I said in an earlier post, I thought that being Whitelisted was a sort of automatic thumbs up amongst the providers. Especially since said provider I am Whitelisted by is reputable, has her own website, and is also a highly sought after published model.
The majority will only treat a WL like any other reference and will wait to her from her before accepting her as a reference.
Do yourself a favor and join P 411 if you don't like this kind of run around. It will make your life much much easier where it comes to getting screened. It of course is not perfect, but over 90% of my dates screen me without me so much as lifting a finger. I simply direct them to my P 411 profile and okays and tell them to knock themselves out and do what ever they need to do to feel comfortable. Most of the time I hear back in minutes, very rarely does it take so much as an hour.
Thanks, will do
Agree. I have 411, DC and TER Whitelists. Why? Because I want to make screening me super easy for providers, and I want my email asking for a date to stand out as a "serious" request from the other 300 emails a provider gets. And I have NO problem getting dates with providers I want to see. Do you want to be taken seriously?
BUT it is not the be and end all.
Unfortunately TER is not the end all be all and depending on where a provider lives, you being whitelisted means nothing by itself. I am a touring provider so I use all boards to screen but with the rash of girls being busted on p411 I am very causious when accepting bookings from there.
She never heard back from your two references and those two references on top of you being whitelisted would get you in her door but, just being white listed would not.
Nina
Thank you Nina, that is all I was asking for, your insight is greatly appreciated! To counter what you wrote about the Whitelist referral. I have done the same thing previously and the other provider contacted me immediately saying that she did not need to do a full verification because I was Whitelisted. So I guess I took that to mean that being Whitelisted carried a little more weight than normal. I also understand that that may just be due to the comfort level of some and not all providers. Thank you
She never heard back from your two references and those two references on top of you being whitelisted would get you in her door but, just being white listed would not.
Nina
I hadn't heard of any problems. Do you have any more information?
However, from time to time a P411 account is (unfortunately) compromised and used to cause problems in the community. Last month, it happened in Shreveport. In 2014 it happened in Nashville, prior to that (June 2013) it happened in Denver. Each time it has happened, we've taken steps to secure the involved accounts and immediately warn anyone potentially in the line of fire.
We have never had an incident of clients being targeted. Had that been the case, or were there any information that would have been to use to clients,. I would have posted it immediately. In the most recent case, as in every previous case, the entire focus was on providers.
The reality is that other accounts will one day be compromised and used, and I will again shut the accounts down as soon as I find out and take steps to warn those targeted. There's not much else we can do, unfortunately. We've been in business over 10 years, have tens of thousands of members, and have had 8-9 compromised accounts over the years. It's a part of this business, it sucks, but it's a reality.
So while P411 is not the "perfect" answer to all of your concerns, I can assure you that we are all working very hard to ensure that your experience in the hobby is as safe and problem free as possible!
P411 is only intended to be used as one tool in the verification process. Please do as much additional screening and research as you feel is necessary, to keep yourself safe.
Always,
Gin
..Nina Simone. Or maybe you are just a fan. Or both.
If you have no proof then that statement is irresponsible. Also, I see that you are a member of P411. If it is unsafe why are you still a member? I am sure that Gina at P411 would take issue with your statement.
Even though being white listed does give some assurance it is still not the same as a site that runs your background and fully screens you therefore additional information will usually be needed depending upon the provider. Even if another provider did vouch for you and or you were whitelisted that provider could have different standards than the provider you are trying to see. In my experience just being vouched for can sometimes cause problems. I had another provider give me a reference on a client and withheld a lot of information saying that he was okay and there was no problem... When I met him he was batshit crazy/poor hygeine lol therefore I have to refuse service so just because her standards were low and that was okay to her she was giving me the go ahead.....more screening is always better..
a "Reference" site. It is a "Review" site. 411 and DC are Reference sites.
Sorry but I disagree. TER is a reference site as well, sorry if you all disagree. According to the the definitions of said words.
Reference: use of a source of information in order to ascertain something.
Ascertain: find (something) out for certain; make sure of.
Review: a formal assessment or examination of something; investigate, inquire, evaluate
So whether you all agree with it or disagree with it, if you're a member of this site then you use it to reference as well as review, both clients and providers. And I completely understand that when clients give there references to be verified that it takes time. But playing with the words to make them fit what you want doesn't change that, it's semantics. If you are a client, do you not read providers reviews to tell you whether or not she is who legit? If you are a provider, can you not call up a fellow provider that you know and ask her is he legit? So they go hand in hand. Bottom line is I get it, some providers use TER as advertising, references, reading potential client's reviews, conversing, emailing, Whitelisting (vouching) etc. So at it's core it doesn't provide a detailed background check, it does however provide all of the above. Not a shot at other verification site i.e. P411 and DC.
Look up Dumb ass in your dictionary ...
Reference: use of a source of information in order to ascertain something.
Ascertain: find (something) out for certain; make sure of.
Review: a formal assessment or examination of something; investigate, inquire, evaluate
So whether you all agree with it or disagree with it, if you're a member of this site then you use it to reference as well as review, both clients and providers. And I completely understand that when clients give there references to be verified that it takes time. But playing with the words to make them fit what you want doesn't change that, it's semantics. If you are a client, do you not read providers reviews to tell you whether or not she is who legit? If you are a provider, can you not call up a fellow provider that you know and ask her is he legit? So they go hand in hand. Bottom line is I get it, some providers use TER as advertising, references, reading potential client's reviews, conversing, emailing, Whitelisting (vouching) etc. So at it's core it doesn't provide a detailed background check, it does however provide all of the above. Not a shot at other verification site i.e. P411 and DC.
A screening site makes screening for the ladies easier by providing a list of people to check you out with. A review site is one way we make screening easier our date for othe hobbyists.
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