Has anyone ever heard of Venmo, it's an app and you can transfer via Credit card or right from your bank account . Transactions can be set to private and you don't have to use your real name on your Venmo profile. My daughters turned me on to it as they live out of town and occasionally need money... Still
often thought this would great if providers offered this option too....
Curious to hear everyones take on it. Ever since I started accepting credit and requiring a deposit I've noticed an increase in the reliability of my dates and also there are some guys who are dead set against it. Either way it seems to be a rather polarizing issue. One of the methods that I've used to make people feel better about it is to tell them to use gift cards which works really well and allows you to stay anonymous. Some people like to to pay the whole thing upfront which I think is cool because it creates a real natural atmosphere on dates which is awesome. Also, what I think some people don't realize is that for some providers the cost of cancellations can be HUGE. So what are your thoughts? Can this profession be modernized or is it better to leave things as they are? As always I love to hear what people think!
Credit cards? Never.
Paying in advance? Nope.
Deposits? PUH-lease!
Gift cards? Strike four.
(I gave you an extra swing because you have a hot ass.
they are no more than 25%. And the Amazon gift cards are a great way to do it- all you need is an email address. Deposits work both ways for reliability purposes.
Pay the whole thing up front? Some great stories on the Vegas board about guys foolish enough to do that- sign… that trip to Hawaii just never quite worked out. Guy created a dedicated web site to immortalize his misfortune. You need skin in the game from both sides but not the whole deal
I can understand the ease of using a CC, but I would be weary myself of accepting any CC info. I dont want any connections to any of my clients real life and I hope they would feel the same.
GC though are more anonymous and make the ease of dates less coamplicated. Especially when I have to book a room for one date.
I have one gent who prefer to pay full before session. The vanilla gift cards been working well for me. It took me by shock when requested but i kept my word with him. I don't expect to find another gent like that no time soon. Very rare.
But if I'm driving to you and its 2hrs or longer, I will expect at least a gas deposit, just in case you want to get cold feet. That's the worst part, when you make a long drive and end up with a no call / no sho .
Has anyone ever heard of Venmo, it's an app and you can transfer via Credit card or right from your bank account . Transactions can be set to private and you don't have to use your real name on your Venmo profile. My daughters turned me on to it as they live out of town and occasionally need money... Still often thought this would great if providers offered this option too....
And have yet to ever find the need to pay anything upfront, let alone 25%. The only reason this goes on at all is softer John's who HAVE to see a certain hooker give in to what I believe are absurd requests/demands.
Deposits would go the way of the horse drawn carriage if some of the little boys here manned up just a bit.
The consumer doesn't need any "skin in the game" as that is what differentiates the client from the business side of the ledger.
There is a huge sum of money to be garnered by some in the supply side of this game and with that upside comes the downside risk of being stood up.
I see I need to start my classes again. LOL
on the day before. The story I got was a she had World Series booking. OK, I get that is an overnight at least (btw for the guy who did this to me GFY) with travel, dinner, and a baseball game as opposed to the more earthy evening I had in mind. But, if I had given her a deposit, would this have happened?
We’ll never know. But I had time to think about this as I watched the World Series on television alone in my hotel room instead of …well, you know.
Deposits would go the way of the horse drawn carriage if some of the little boys here manned up just a bit.
The consumer doesn't need any "skin in the game" as that is what differentiates the client from the business side of the ledger.
There is a huge sum of money to be garnered by some in the supply side of this game and with that upside comes the downside risk of being stood up.
I see I need to start my classes again. LOL
She was with me that night. LOL
And it gets worse for you. Not a penny of deposit was exchanged.
Yes, you have now convinced me to start back with my soft John conversion classes.
I think you will need to sit upfront. LOL
There is a 25% deposit however. My associate, Bob Sugar, will be in touch with the details.
Then stick with what works.
I would never pay you or any hooker in advance (let alone using banks/wires to pay for an illegal activity)...but that's me.
I also have never had a problem in securing any gal I wanted to see. And I doubt I ever will.
Good luck to you...I hope that there's more than the 5 or 6 guys you've had review you that are willing to pay in advance. Let alone with a credit card (or a gift card..or debit card)...processed by a server that will eventually determine that you're using their services for illegal activities.
Yeah...you're going to need lots of luck, a good criminal attorney. You should ask someone what money laundering is...and RICO. You can google it but it'd be more entertaining to hear it from an attorney who specializes in wire and bank fraud.
The good news would be that you would have free room and board..daily activities planned for you...and you can try and modernize that system...you'll have plenty of time to do so. If you're lucky maybe Martha Stewart (you can google who she is and maybe you'd go the same prison?) will drop in to teach you some home economics for when you finally rejoin society.
I don't think a judge will allow your lack of maturity as a defense. But maybe...good luck again.
I would never pay a deposit. The reason why is simple, I have been burned too often by ladies with no recourse. What am I to do sue her? I also don't want a trail, this is a crime after all. Plus banks can and will freeze and report any accounts suspected was used in criminal activities. No way no how. Way to much risk.
So sorry to hear that! I've had a few guys tell me the same thing. It sucks that some people make it harder for everyone else. Totally understand what you're saying just looking for a way to not get burned too often.
Hi There
I thought to expect credit cards and then its seem a lot easier cash method.
Alley
xo
Now, I've been to Australia before. I spent a month there in fact. Great country, fantastic people, and sexy as Hell - females, but I remember them all speaking English. When did this change?
I've been accepting CC's for almost a year and a lot of friends seem to really like the ease of paying that way.
I give the option to pay up front or pay when I arrive. You are completely right about when the payment is done before arrival the visit seems to be a lot more natural (no envelope to collect - no stack of 20's on a desk somewhere, etc.)
It's helped people extend easier to once we are already together. No awkward run to the ATM between things...
I don't require a deposit unless it's for an extended visit or requires travel but I have noticed that since putting up a cancellation policy on my website I have very rarely had someone cancel.
but unless you are jumping on a plane to come see me, or buying a special bottle of wine, or incurring some other large, out of pocket expense purely on my behalf, at my request, the chances of me paying a single dollar as a deposit are absolutely ZERO. and I speak for many guys here when I say this.
You may be as honest as the day is long, but you could disappear off the face of the earth tomorrow and I am simply not going to take that chance. My time is worth every bit as much as a hookers and I simply am not going to do it, except under the very narrow circumstances that I mentioned, and those types of situations don't apply to me.
and if my doctor, lawyer, accountant or other professional that I pay hundreds of dollars an hour for services were to ask me for a deposit to "secure my time" I'd dump them in a heartbeat as well.
When you ask for a deposit, what I hear is "you think your time is more valuable than mine" Regardless of how nicely you ask, or how you try to justify it, that's what I hear and I simply move on to the next lady that catches my eye.
I understand your perspective which is one of the reasons I post questions like this... to see what people think.
In no way do I think my time is more valuable than anyone's. Due to the fact that I keep a strict cap on how many dates I'll see in a week and almost never see more than one in a day I'm often getting the room for one date. If I'm taking the risk of getting a hotel and you're taking the risk of giving me a deposit isn't that by definition kind of valuing each other's time equally? Just curious on your thoughts about that. I am a risk taker in a lot ways when it comes to new business ideas so I'm not afraid to try things that might be a bit out of the ordinary or against standard procedure and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't but I'm never afraid to reverse course and change based on the demands of the consumer! Btw... I often ask my dates wine preference and try to have it ready for them so maybe I could get you to put down that deposit! 
The thing about this is I literally have never even rescheduled on a client save for one who told me he was super flexible and we moved it around to make things easier. Be it bad weather, family death, etc... I believe that my word is the most important thing and refuse to miss a date. So when I make my policies sometimes I'm not thinking of the fact that there are some people who are not like that and guys have hesitations because they may not know you. Obviously you learn more every day. The thing that's hard for me is that the few times I've ever relented on the policy save for one, the person stood me up. Ever since I've done this I've seen a tremendously positive turnaround and a reduced number of guys who cancel. So just curious as to how you think both the issues of the date and the provider can be equally solved. Or do you just think liability should all fall on the provider. Either way I'm cool with it, just wondering!
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Gift cards are actually smart as no cash changes hands at the time of the date so it's a bit safer for clients and providers. Anything that adds more layers that have to be proven - benefits all of us. The days of cash in an envelope are on the way out for TER level providers, as they should be. However, some people are resistant to ALL change even if the benefit is clear.
I'd only "pre pay" with providers that I know and have a "relationship with, but I'd certainly do it
The idea is, you use cash (and only cash) to buy a gift card. Use a credit card/debit card and you are an idiot that deserves to get popped
ok with me, but don't like paying the processing charge!
A lot of people are commenting that if a provider is offering multiple hours it makes sense. If anyone has ever been to my site they know that as a courtesan I don't do any short dates with first time clients. So all my dates are multiple hour. I also offer one of the best deals out there for guys who don't want to just meet up for an hour session or a quickie. So therefore when I'm asking for a deposit it's because I prepare EXTENSIVELY for each date. It costs me more, but in the end I get a lot more satisfaction seeing my clients leave grinning from ear to ear!
Are they actually better than the other gals or do they just think they are better?
Well for a lot of people the definition varies but for me the difference is that I don't see a ton of clients (I've never seen more than one in a day) as a result I get to spend more time preparing for the date. I try to learn as much as possble about the people I see in terms of what wines they like, the kind of outfits they are into, what amuses and excites them, etc... Therefore it takes a lot of planning for me to set up a date. I rarely have a one hour meet at the hotel type of engagement and I don't do anything close to watching a clock (I've gone 40 mins over before lol). As someone who has visited escorts and courtesans in the past I can tell you It's just a different experience. Not everybody wants that which is understandable but there is a difference. Often my dates become more like lifetime friends then clients. I don't even call them clients lol.
I have never paid by CC, but I have paid by wire transfer upfront. These are usually engagements with high end British/German agencies, or independent providers (also not in the USA) I have spent a lot of time with and trust. As these engagements usually last several days or more than a week, I do not at all feel comfortable traveling with that kind of cash on me, and its not an amount that I can feasibly withdraw from an ATM.
I have never done this upfront with someone where this sort of activity is illegal (e.g. in the US) and I am single so I do not have to worry about a significant other finding out.
You don't have to live with Soft Johnism. It can be cured or at least mitigated.
I'll sit you next to Mari. It's a bit easier if you partner up with another lost soul. LOL
Oh I did not realize you were such an expert on my life! Please wait while I get pen and paper and write this down.
assuming you mean visa or mc.
I use vanilla and all he would send would be the card info and I can log on the card site to check the balance. I'm unsure of other gc's
Carrying this in your LV bag..
In my short time here I have read a few horror stories regarding credit cards and deposits. To me credit cards leave too much of a paper trail and deposits are not happening since traveling women change travel dates or completely cancel trips for a vast amount of reasons.
For me and it's strictly personal but you get your payment when I enter the door and not a minute before. Not that I don't trust who I see but it's my hard earned money.
Paid no strings attached business.CASH best ways all levels.Play safe folk's
but I would only accept them from well established clients whom I've trusted for a long time, or for travel deposits well in advance of the date. I believe a client has up to 90 days to file a chargeback. If they decide to do that after your appointment is over, there's really nothing you can do about it. Obviously I take a credit card imprint slip with me to the appointment for them to sign, but almost nobody who doesn't know & trust you will be interested in going through all that instead of the easier option of paying cash.
I do use the square cash app at the appointment if a client wants to extend, but doesn't have enough cash. It's an anonymous transfer directly between checking accounts with no option for a chargeback.
I see these options as a convenience for the client though, because I would always rather receive cash.
Nothing more I need to say.
Every time I've had a guy ask if he can pay with a credit card, it was because he didn't actually have the funds. In an ideal world, I'd love the convenience of it. Unfortunately there are just too many sillies out there to justify the risk. Plus processing fees are a bitch.
Regardless, you gotta do what works for you.
but as a hooker, I agree that your financial risk is too high for most to accept. After all if a guy disputes the charge, what are you really going to do? How do you prove you really delivered illegal services?
In a perfect world, I can see the convenience factor, but in the real world, especially dealing with broke dick married guys having to explain those mysterious charges for several hundred dollars a piece to a jealous wife, I wouldn't take CC's either if I were a hooker.
Tobi, you get it !!!!! I'd never accept credit cards if I were a provider for that very reason.
I do not take them at my business for that reason. If they can't pay with cash, they shouldn't be playing the game.