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Re: Known vs Unknown
Alan_Nimm 644 reads
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Oh where to start...

It's ok in your book for a guy to carry a gun on his hip into a provider's incall with no explanation (she never said he told her he's required to carry a gun at all times, and btw what does he do when he's on a break and needs to enter someplace with "no guns allowed" posted?), but its's a problem for a woman to carry a licensed, concealed gun when she meets a strange man in a strange place?  What kind of logic is that?

Also that it's a given that if a provider chooses to buy a gun, she won't get proper training in using it. Why do you make that assumption?  Maybe the guy with the gun on his hip bought it illegally and has no training in it--how do you know?

And how can it be wrong-headed for a provider to want to know whether a client will be packing?  Does she need to post a "no gums allowed" sign on her door?

As for robbers/rapists...that's what thorough screening is for. And also why some providers have guns readily at hand, incall or outcall. Oh I forgot... they're not supposed to be able to carry a concealed gun, are they?

Getting away is a good idea, when possible. But for when it's not possible, I'll never disagree with a woman's right to protect herself--even if it means "Kill Bill".  
Posted By: impposter
You don't say enough about this guy, and Nimm and Homer immediately dismissed the guy as "What kind of dude is so insecure he has to pack heat when going to a session?" and "What kind of a no-brain, inconsiderate creep would carry a gun on his hip into ANY date,"    
   
 BUT "As for a provider bringing a gun to an outcall, I can understand that."   ???? I can't.  
   
 How many providers out there are legally allowed to carry a concealed weapon?  What do you tell the board that approves those permits?  "I am in a cash-only business and need the protection." "Some of the clients in my therapy sessions are prone to violence."  Without a legit reason, I only see more illegal guns out there in untrained hands.    
   
 My first thought is that the guy is licensed, permitted and quite possibly REQUIRED to carry by whatever job he had and was taking a one or two hour break from.  Depending on his job, if something happened on the street or elsewhere and the Q came up about why he was not armed when he was supposed to be, what's he supposed to say?  "I left my gun in my hotel room while I made a trip across town for some R&R."   Some guys in LE or related jobs bring their (properly secured) weapon everywhere, even to the family picnic or junior high school graduation party.  ... and, I would suppose, to a session!  
   
 I think I can understand your fear and even though he didn't make any overt threats or references to it ("do this or else") and he even tried to put you at ease about it, it's a lingering threat that you can't get out of your head.    
   
 But what you say next is wrong headed:  
   
Posted By: floxiegirl
I think I deserve to know if someone is going to bring a gun with them, beforehand, so I can decide if I'm willing to see them.
 
   
 An honest person (diamond courier; PI; Donald "I have a license to carry" Trump) would have no reason to lie to and no reason to be a threat to you. (Welllllll, maybe Donald "You're Fired!" Trump, but I doubt that he'd stiff you on the fee.) They will probably tell you about a gun, if you ask.    
   
 If LE, taking a break from their job, said "I have a gun ... and I'm LE." you wouldn't see him.  If LE, taking a break from their job but didn't mention the LE part, said "I have a gun with me.  I'm licensed.  Personal protection and for my job." I think you would still say no to him.  
   
 YOUR WEAK POINT is the undeclared robber-raper who says, "No, baby, I don't got no gun. I'm just looking for some fun!" and shows up at your place to cause nothing but trouble.  OF COURSE HE'S GOING TO LIE TO YOU ABOUT HAVING A GUN.  HE'S A LYING LOW-LIFE THIEF!  
   
 I'm not trying to get you to change your mind or suppress your legitimate fears, but some guys carry for legit reasons.    
   
 NEW Q for floxie and others: Do you keep a can of Mace or pepper spray in your room, maybe even disguised with a pretty floral wrapper?  Have you taken a self-defense class?  Your major concern would be methods to get away and not necessarily disarm and subdue, a la Kill Bill.    
   
 EDIT: fixed typos

-- Modified on 10/5/2015 5:07:34 PM

floxiegirl1769 reads

As far as I know, I've never been in such an intimate setting with an armed person. It was frightening to me, to see the gun attached to his hip. My discomfort was visible, I guess, because he nodded that he hoped I wasn't afraid, but I was. I wanted to ask him to leave,  but he had a gun.. and I was naked.. and what if he didn't want to leave?  

So we had the session, and all I could think about was what would happen if he asked for something and I said no, or if he decided he didn't want to use a condom, or he wanted his money back... We're already "unequal", he's taller, heavier, older, and he has a gun. He seemed like a nice enough guy during the session, not too rough, pretty friendly, he talked about his travels and even his children.. but it was the most uncomfortable experience I've ever had. I felt so intimidated. I was so unhappy, and I really just wanted him, and his gun, gone. I don't think I've ever felt so relieved for a date to end. And I was grateful that his gun stayed in its holster.

I think I deserve to know if someone is going to bring a gun with them, beforehand, so I can decide if I'm willing to see them.  

Have you ever brought a weapon to a session? Did you inform her that you would be? Would you send a provider away that brought a gun to an outcall? Would you be uncomfortable with her having a gun-carrying "friend" in the other room during an incall?

Well, I would say what an inconsiderate guy that was, and how inappropriate it was for a date, but considering all of the bad things that happen to a guy these days, can't blame him.
You never know what you are walking into...

ATLDAWG592 reads

Well--Many of the Gal's have guns----But.....I don't think carrying a gun in an open carry on a visit to a gal is the best way to have the best time !!

  At least a concealed carry seems to be a better decision!  

At the same time if the young lady does outcalls-betcha' a bunch of guy's have had  guns in their room and she never knew it-just like the guy's don't get to look in the gal's purse !!.......

Alan_Nimm551 reads

What kind of a no-brain, inconsiderate creep would carry a gun on his hip into ANY date, especially with someone he's never met before!  That just blows my mind. I would never conceive of doing that. If I felt that unsafe, I'd never have booked the session in the first place.  

As for a provider bringing a gun to an outcall, I can understand that. But I'd expect she'd keep it concealed unless and until she needed it. I know more than one provider who has a gun hidden in her incall. I can understand why they'd do that.

What kind of dude is so insecure he has to pack heat when going to a session ?
Geesh

bigguy30642 reads

This is your place not his and you set the rules!
He really needed a gun on a fuck date??
It's clear this guy wanted to intimidate you and be a asshole.
The next time ask him to leave the gun at home or no dates in the future with you.  

 
 

Posted By: floxiegirl
As far as I know, I've never been in such an intimate setting with an armed person. It was frightening to me, to see the gun attached to his hip. My discomfort was visible, I guess, because he nodded that he hoped I wasn't afraid, but I was. I wanted to ask him to leave,  but he had a gun.. and I was naked.. and what if he didn't want to leave?  
   
 So we had the session, and all I could think about was what would happen if he asked for something and I said no, or if he decided he didn't want to use a condom, or he wanted his money back... We're already "unequal", he's taller, heavier, older, and he has a gun. He seemed like a nice enough guy during the session, not too rough, pretty friendly, he talked about his travels and even his children.. but it was the most uncomfortable experience I've ever had. I felt so intimidated. I was so unhappy, and I really just wanted him, and his gun, gone. I don't think I've ever felt so relieved for a date to end. And I was grateful that his gun stayed in its holster.  
   
 I think I deserve to know if someone is going to bring a gun with them, beforehand, so I can decide if I'm willing to see them.  
   
 Have you ever brought a weapon to a session? Did you inform her that you would be? Would you send a provider away that brought a gun to an outcall? Would you be uncomfortable with her having a gun-carrying "friend" in the other room during an incall?

floxiegirl523 reads

I couldn't understand why he'd need a gun either.. for a naked date with 115 lb woman. It was really intimidating, and I don't know if that was intent or not, but I will never see him again.

Ask him to go put his gun in his car you are uncomfortable. I know you were scared shitless and are pretty young. He was totally out of line to do this without your knowledge.    

Even though he turned out to not to be dangerous to you, you were terrified and he had to sense that. But if I guy ask if something bothers you, he's giving you the opportunity to speak up. I'm way older and been around the block more than a few times but still I would have asked him why he brought it and given him a chance to answer. It took me dating a retired Col in the Marines who is now a criminal lawyer to get used to someone carrying a gun with him at all times. That still doesn't mean I would want I'd want a client walking in to an appt with me to have one.

Use this as a learning experience. He ask for a reason, although he should have never done it in the first place. I'm glad you physically are ok.

Steph xoxo

-- Modified on 10/6/2015 12:30:52 PM

You don't say enough about this guy, and Nimm and Homer immediately dismissed the guy as "What kind of dude is so insecure he has to pack heat when going to a session?" and "What kind of a no-brain, inconsiderate creep would carry a gun on his hip into ANY date,"  

BUT "As for a provider bringing a gun to an outcall, I can understand that."   ???? I can't.

How many providers out there are legally allowed to carry a concealed weapon?  What do you tell the board that approves those permits?  "I am in a cash-only business and need the protection." "Some of the clients in my therapy sessions are prone to violence."  Without a legit reason, I only see more illegal guns out there in untrained hands.  

My first thought is that the guy is licensed, permitted and quite possibly REQUIRED to carry by whatever job he had and was taking a one or two hour break from.  Depending on his job, if something happened on the street or elsewhere and the Q came up about why he was not armed when he was supposed to be, what's he supposed to say?  "I left my gun in my hotel room while I made a trip across town for some R&R."   Some guys in LE or related jobs bring their (properly secured) weapon everywhere, even to the family picnic or junior high school graduation party.  ... and, I would suppose, to a session!  

I think I can understand your fear and even though he didn't make any overt threats or references to it ("do this or else") and he even tried to put you at ease about it, it's a lingering threat that you can't get out of your head.  

But what you say next is wrong headed:

Posted By: floxiegirl
I think I deserve to know if someone is going to bring a gun with them, beforehand, so I can decide if I'm willing to see them.
 
An honest person (diamond courier; PI; Donald "I have a license to carry" Trump) would have no reason to lie to and no reason to be a threat to you. (Welllllll, maybe Donald "You're Fired!" Trump, but I doubt that he'd stiff you on the fee.) They will probably tell you about a gun, if you ask.  

If LE, taking a break from their job, said "I have a gun ... and I'm LE." you wouldn't see him.  If LE, taking a break from their job but didn't mention the LE part, said "I have a gun with me.  I'm licensed.  Personal protection and for my job." I think you would still say no to him.

YOUR WEAK POINT is the undeclared robber-raper who says, "No, baby, I don't got no gun. I'm just looking for some fun!" and shows up at your place to cause nothing but trouble.  OF COURSE HE'S GOING TO LIE TO YOU ABOUT HAVING A GUN.  HE'S A LYING LOW-LIFE THIEF!

I'm not trying to get you to change your mind or suppress your legitimate fears, but some guys carry for legit reasons.  

NEW Q for floxie and others: Do you keep a can of Mace or pepper spray in your room, maybe even disguised with a pretty floral wrapper?  Have you taken a self-defense class?  Your major concern would be methods to get away and not necessarily disarm and subdue, a la Kill Bill.  

EDIT: fixed typos

-- Modified on 10/5/2015 5:07:34 PM

Alan_Nimm645 reads

Oh where to start...

It's ok in your book for a guy to carry a gun on his hip into a provider's incall with no explanation (she never said he told her he's required to carry a gun at all times, and btw what does he do when he's on a break and needs to enter someplace with "no guns allowed" posted?), but its's a problem for a woman to carry a licensed, concealed gun when she meets a strange man in a strange place?  What kind of logic is that?

Also that it's a given that if a provider chooses to buy a gun, she won't get proper training in using it. Why do you make that assumption?  Maybe the guy with the gun on his hip bought it illegally and has no training in it--how do you know?

And how can it be wrong-headed for a provider to want to know whether a client will be packing?  Does she need to post a "no gums allowed" sign on her door?

As for robbers/rapists...that's what thorough screening is for. And also why some providers have guns readily at hand, incall or outcall. Oh I forgot... they're not supposed to be able to carry a concealed gun, are they?

Getting away is a good idea, when possible. But for when it's not possible, I'll never disagree with a woman's right to protect herself--even if it means "Kill Bill".  

Posted By: impposter
You don't say enough about this guy, and Nimm and Homer immediately dismissed the guy as "What kind of dude is so insecure he has to pack heat when going to a session?" and "What kind of a no-brain, inconsiderate creep would carry a gun on his hip into ANY date,"    
   
 BUT "As for a provider bringing a gun to an outcall, I can understand that."   ???? I can't.  
   
 How many providers out there are legally allowed to carry a concealed weapon?  What do you tell the board that approves those permits?  "I am in a cash-only business and need the protection." "Some of the clients in my therapy sessions are prone to violence."  Without a legit reason, I only see more illegal guns out there in untrained hands.    
   
 My first thought is that the guy is licensed, permitted and quite possibly REQUIRED to carry by whatever job he had and was taking a one or two hour break from.  Depending on his job, if something happened on the street or elsewhere and the Q came up about why he was not armed when he was supposed to be, what's he supposed to say?  "I left my gun in my hotel room while I made a trip across town for some R&R."   Some guys in LE or related jobs bring their (properly secured) weapon everywhere, even to the family picnic or junior high school graduation party.  ... and, I would suppose, to a session!  
   
 I think I can understand your fear and even though he didn't make any overt threats or references to it ("do this or else") and he even tried to put you at ease about it, it's a lingering threat that you can't get out of your head.    
   
 But what you say next is wrong headed:  
   
Posted By: floxiegirl
I think I deserve to know if someone is going to bring a gun with them, beforehand, so I can decide if I'm willing to see them.
 
   
 An honest person (diamond courier; PI; Donald "I have a license to carry" Trump) would have no reason to lie to and no reason to be a threat to you. (Welllllll, maybe Donald "You're Fired!" Trump, but I doubt that he'd stiff you on the fee.) They will probably tell you about a gun, if you ask.    
   
 If LE, taking a break from their job, said "I have a gun ... and I'm LE." you wouldn't see him.  If LE, taking a break from their job but didn't mention the LE part, said "I have a gun with me.  I'm licensed.  Personal protection and for my job." I think you would still say no to him.  
   
 YOUR WEAK POINT is the undeclared robber-raper who says, "No, baby, I don't got no gun. I'm just looking for some fun!" and shows up at your place to cause nothing but trouble.  OF COURSE HE'S GOING TO LIE TO YOU ABOUT HAVING A GUN.  HE'S A LYING LOW-LIFE THIEF!  
   
 I'm not trying to get you to change your mind or suppress your legitimate fears, but some guys carry for legit reasons.    
   
 NEW Q for floxie and others: Do you keep a can of Mace or pepper spray in your room, maybe even disguised with a pretty floral wrapper?  Have you taken a self-defense class?  Your major concern would be methods to get away and not necessarily disarm and subdue, a la Kill Bill.    
   
 EDIT: fixed typos

-- Modified on 10/5/2015 5:07:34 PM

We are all making a bunch of assumptions here, so I'll just explain mine further.  

Yes, men and women can be licensed to carry concealed weapons and have proper training and practice with those weapons.  I also ASSUMED that a gun in a hip holster is more likely to be legal than a gun tucked into his belt behind his back or in his pocket like a big cell phone or greasy sandwich.

"no explanation" - For sure, he could have provided more of an explanation than just an ambiguous nod.  

It is very easy for me to imagine clients with regular jobs that allow or require them to be legally armed.  MOST (99%) of his life is outside the hobby and his job and his gun fits in with everything.  When there are "No Guns Allowed" policies, there are usually provisions to securely stow the weapon or you don't go there.  During those occasional two hours when he's OTC for hobbying, he might still be packing and have to stow his gun in the room on his rumpled pile of underwear.  He might not be aware that the gun is causing panic if it's such a routine part of his legal, daily life.

Lots of providers have real life jobs and some of them might also allow or require a concealed weapon, but I think that would be much more rare compared to the number of licensed clients.  I can EASILY envision providers with concealed guns but I think that most of them would be illegal (I'm from NY!).  It is NOT a problem for a women to have a licensed concealed weapon if she goes to the trouble to get permitted.  In NY, that's pretty tough to do.  I don't think "I'm a hooker." would satisfy the board in NY or other major city.  And be warned (men and women), if you have a permit in one jurisdiction, it doesn't mean you're licensed to carry elsewhere, especially NY.

People with illegal weapons probably don't care a lot about training.  Legal + training = sure.  Illegal + training = less common.  In urban areas, you can't just go outside behind the barn and shoot cans off of fence posts. And gun training is not just about shooting, it's about safety and other matters.  

My comment about "WRONG HEADED" was not meant to be about WANTING to know but EXPECTING to get an honest answer!  The bad guys will not give an honest answer.  Screen OUT good guys and nice guys who admit they are legally packing, fine.  But the bad guys won't tell you.  What's the next Provider gadget going to be, portable airport metal detectors or x-ray machines for hotel rooms?  

Self-defense classes: I think it's a good idea and my comment was meant to ENCOURAGE Providers to consider it.  If everyone thinks that a self-defense class means 10,000 hours of training to get a black belt in some martial art it will scare people away.  In most situations, you want to know and have PRACTICED a few good methods to get away from a threat or an actual attacker.  If a Provider wants to train to become La Femme Nikita, that's fine with me.  But most other Providers don't need to train to become a killing machine, they just need a few (3? 10?) hours of RELEVANT self-defense classes.  

Earlier this year (July 2015), in W. Va., a provider disarmed an attacker and shot him with his own gun.  He turned out to be a serial killer.

I am ASSUMING that the client was carrying legitimately and was so comfortable with it in his regular life that he never thought to mention it or not bring it until it was after the fact.  If he and other pistol-packing clients are reading this thread, maybe they'll act differently in the future and figure out a way to keep their hostesses at ease without jeopardizing their own jobs (if REQUIRED to keep their weapon close by) or the safety of others.

Posted By: Alan_Nimm
Oh where to start...  
   
 It's ok in your book for a guy to carry a gun on his hip into a provider's incall with no explanation (she never said he told her he's required to carry a gun at all times, and btw what does he do when he's on a break and needs to enter someplace with "no guns allowed" posted?), but its's a problem for a woman to carry a licensed, concealed gun when she meets a strange man in a strange place?  What kind of logic is that?  
   
 Also that it's a given that if a provider chooses to buy a gun, she won't get proper training in using it. Why do you make that assumption?  Maybe the guy with the gun on his hip bought it illegally and has no training in it--how do you know?  
   
 And how can it be wrong-headed for a provider to want to know whether a client will be packing?  Does she need to post a "no gums allowed" sign on her door?  
   
 As for robbers/rapists...that's what thorough screening is for. And also why some providers have guns readily at hand, incall or outcall. Oh I forgot... they're not supposed to be able to carry a concealed gun, are they?  
   
 Getting away is a good idea, when possible. But for when it's not possible, I'll never disagree with a woman's right to protect herself--even if it means "Kill Bill".

floxiegirl521 reads

I don't really care why he was carrying a gun..  I deserve to know that I'm alone, vulnerable in a room, with an armed person. And I get to decide that I don't want to be in that situation. And no, I wouldn't have seen him, and I get to make that decision, too. There may be providers that happily see men that are armed, he should seek them out.. it was a really scary place to be for me, and not something I ever want to experience again.

I surrender!  I give up on almost all the points!  I never said the was right in what he did. I tried to explain his [no adjective] behavior, but I'll say it explicitly now: He was wrong to put you in that situation without some kind of prior discussion or approval.

Posted By: floxiegirl
I don't really care why he was carrying a gun..  I deserve to know that I'm alone, vulnerable in a room, with an armed person. And I get to decide that I don't want to be in that situation. And no, I wouldn't have seen him, and I get to make that decision, too. There may be providers that happily see men that are armed, he should seek them out.. it was a really scary place to be for me, and not something I ever want to experience again.
Floxie: Yes, you did have a right to know.  And I'm sorry you were put through that scary experience. I hope it was clear that my "wrong headed" comment was definitely NOT about "wanting to know" but about the expectation that a liar would give you an honest answer.  

The guy was definitely wrong to have brought a weapon to your meeting and to have scared you as he did.

Others said:  
"What kind of dude is so insecure he has to pack heat when going to a session?"  
"What kind of ... creep would carry a gun ...  If [he] felt that unsafe, [he should] never have booked the session in the first place."
"It's clear this guy wanted to intimidate you and be a asshole."
"Sounds like an insecure douche who thinks his gun makes him look suave."
"Why in the world would someone feel the need to bring a gun to a verified provider's incall?"
"Typical NRA gun nut! Either that or he works in LE and afraid to leave his gun in the car"

From the way you told the story, I don't think the guy was "insecure" to visit you, "felt unsafe" at your incall, or "wanted to intimidate" you.  I know people with licensed hand guns and it sounded to me like this guy was just so accustomed to carrying it everywhere (and probably even explaining to people why he has a gun on his hip) that he was stupid not to realize that it would create an uncomfortable issue with you in a very vulnerable situation.  None of us know what his circumstances really were; we do know that you were in fear and that should not have happened.  

Alan_Nimm has so distorted what I said in my posts that I won't waste any effort addressing what he said.  

Where Alan_Nimm says: "nobody likes surprises like that.  If [the guy] really wants to see her, this situation might be salvaged but [he would] have to give more notice about anything out of the ordinary, HER ordinary." and asks, "Would you agree with that?"  I have to agree!  I even wish that I had said it myself!  Wait, ... I did say it myself, in a different context.

Floxie: do everything you have to do to protect yourself and be comfortable in what you do.   I have ALWAYS been in favor of that

Alan_Nimm461 reads

along with replies that you obviously didn't agree with.  

But that's easier that writing a coherent response, eh?

Sounds like an insecure douche who thinks his gun makes him look suave. Some guys stop aging emotionally at 14. Pretty much the last guys who should be walking around armed. James Bond was a character in a book/movie - some guys just don't understand the difference between that and real life.

Not all of us live in such a safe place as Chicago where personal carry by qualified persons is unnecessary.

But surely the ladies are impressed. And believe it or not, sometimes bad people do bad things in good places. Shocking I know.

-- Modified on 10/6/2015 8:42:37 AM

Just seems like the probability is so high that it would make the provider uncomfortable that it's not in one's interest to bring it to an appointment. Or if one must, make it a true "concealed carry" and try to make sure she doesn't see it. What OP described sounded more like someone trying to project an image than protect himself.

what guys here don't project an image. most do. gun or not

Boys! There is plenty of room in the sandbox for all of us. I have a concealed carry...and for the record, I'd only shoot one of you ; )

Come on. LWAV doesn't need you to bail him out does he? Really?

And I'd wager your Ohio CCP isn't valid in Chicago. I know my FL one while valid in OH wasn't worth a turd in IL.

-- Modified on 10/7/2015 10:35:00 AM

If you read what I posted I never supported bringing a weapon into a ladies incall. I've never done it and never will. As a student now do I carry one in my car AND in my book bag in clear violation of school policy? Hell yes I do. Under threat of expulsion. One of my upper level classes is on The Holocaust. Of course Jews were not allowed to own weapons.  

My point was that this thread is prolly really a threAD and posited by someone who doesn't hate guns per se primarily the people who own them. The 'direction' this threAD took proves me right. Don't assume something I didn't say. I really wasn't clear with that at all. Next time I wil be. My bad

I do agree with MacDoodle though this thread is bogus. Btw what % of murders ARE committed by people with CCP's? You might be surprised.

-- Modified on 10/7/2015 10:38:16 AM

Why in the world would someone feel the need to bring a gun to a verified provider's incall??
I'm guessing that he had to have done some research on you before hand, what danger would he feel like he would have been in by seeing you?

Posted By: floxiegirl
As far as I know, I've never been in such an intimate setting with an armed person. It was frightening to me, to see the gun attached to his hip. My discomfort was visible, I guess, because he nodded that he hoped I wasn't afraid, but I was. I wanted to ask him to leave,  but he had a gun.. and I was naked.. and what if he didn't want to leave?  
   
 So we had the session, and all I could think about was what would happen if he asked for something and I said no, or if he decided he didn't want to use a condom, or he wanted his money back... We're already "unequal", he's taller, heavier, older, and he has a gun. He seemed like a nice enough guy during the session, not too rough, pretty friendly, he talked about his travels and even his children.. but it was the most uncomfortable experience I've ever had. I felt so intimidated. I was so unhappy, and I really just wanted him, and his gun, gone. I don't think I've ever felt so relieved for a date to end. And I was grateful that his gun stayed in its holster.  
   
 I think I deserve to know if someone is going to bring a gun with them, beforehand, so I can decide if I'm willing to see them.  
   
 Have you ever brought a weapon to a session? Did you inform her that you would be? Would you send a provider away that brought a gun to an outcall? Would you be uncomfortable with her having a gun-carrying "friend" in the other room during an incall?

On one occasion (outcall to my hotel) we were chatting towards the end, after we both got dressed and we got on the topic of safety. That's when she opened her purse and showed me her piece.

I was flabbergasted, to put it mildly...

Still nothing compared to your idiot client.....

Skyfyre679 reads

Typical NRA gun nut! Either that or he works in LE and afraid to leave his gun in the car. Last time somebody did that his gun got stolen and was used to killed a tourist in San Francisco.

Posted By: Skyfyre
Typical NRA gun nut! Either that or he works in LE and afraid to leave his gun in the car. Last time somebody did that his gun got stolen and was used to killed a tourist in San Francisco.
Hey, that describes me! NRA member since the age of 16.

If San Francisco did not have a bunch of anti-gun liberals, we would not have to lock our guns in the car. The gun would not have been stolen and the tourist would not have been shot. If the tourist had a gun and knew how to use it, he might have been able to fight back. BTW: The tourist did not die. The punks who shot him were apprehended by ARMED policemen across the Bay in Oakland.  

To answer the ladies questions he should not have brought the gun to the her incall without permission. I would not want a lady to bring a gun when visiting me at a hotel unless I was planning to take her to the range.

Nothing against guns but at least have the curtsey of telling me.

BlondeRoots480 reads

How about nuclear weapons?  Do you think they're neat?

Floxie has some Moxie..

IfIdknown529 reads

I also brought a stun gun disguised as a cell phone as a gift. She was being harassed by a pimp who was trying to recruit her and she was scared. I brought the revolver to show her what she might want to get.
This, of course, isn't like springing a visit with a firearm on my hip w/o her expecting it. To do that is stupid and inconsiderate

I mean, he must have thought it could have potentially been an issue, especially since you could clearly see it. Or maybe he's never run into the issue before....either way, a heads up would be nice to avoid an awkward situation.

ValuedCustomer387 reads

I leave it in the car.   If it's an outcall to my hotel room, I'll have it secured and concealed (probably in the room safe...).

The issue here is weapon control.  At some point during the appointment, the weapon is out of your control.  If you are going to carry - you are responsible for the weapon at all times.   If nothing else, lots of people get shot with their own guns...

So - yes - from a person who believes strongly in the right to carry (and buy as many damned guns as I have the urge to...) - he REALLY screwed up.

Now - realistically, I expect a provider to have a weapon.  She has quantities of cash - she's a woman - frankly, she needs a weapon.  At the very least a knife, a baton or (lord help us) pepper spray - but honestly, were she my daughter, I would hope she had a revolver.  Presumably, she has the weapon in some place where it is concealed and accessible yet still under her control - and that control makes all the difference.  It doesn't bother me.

If there is someone else at the incall - I am going to assume that he or she is armed.  If I am OK with them being there in the first place as a non participant - I am not going to worry about whether they are armed with a gun.   A baseball bat is lethal - especially if you are being distracted....   But I am probably not going to be OK with them being there in the first place.

Taking it just a bit further - I do believe you have a right to know whether your customer is armed - and set any rule you like about it.  I firmly believe that any business has the right to prohibit whatever behavior they would like to prohibit.   No shoes, no shirt, no guns, no pink underwear, no dwarves, whatever.   The effectiveness and enforceability of said rules is not an issue to me..

BlondeRoots471 reads

What on earth do you need mortal defense from so badly?

Do you live in the hood?

In a war zone?

I DONT GET IT.

Your son is more likely to take your arsenal of weapons and go BSC in a crowd or library full of inncocent civilians because he's mad he doesn't get dates, and has access to your arsenal.

(I know I'm being dramatic, don't wish your son to be a homicidal maniac, but its reality.)

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BlondeRoots477 reads

I've known plenty of cowboys, sportsmen, avid hunters in my life, and that's all fine and dandy, but all these 20 year old white male virgins who are pissed they can't get a girlfriend keep going on rampages and killing dozens of innocent people.  And Chicago thugs killing people EVERY.SINGLE.DAY over a $10 Baggie of weed or what color you're wearing in the wrong neighborhood.  I'm so disgusted with guns, and yes the bad guys ruin it for all the nice, law abiding trophy hunters out there.  I get it.  But something's got to give.

Posted By: BlondeRoots
I've known plenty of cowboys, sportsmen, avid hunters in my life, and that's all fine and dandy, but all these 20 year old white male virgins who are pissed they can't get a girlfriend keep going on rampages and killing dozens of innocent people.  
Don't you know real men learn how to use a gun before they learn how to jack off?

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BlondeRoots485 reads

And strength of character when faced with obstacles and rejection in life, rather than false machismo of packing guns and playing John Wayne from the Wild West.  

BALLS and brains make a man.

Not guns.

Posted By: BlondeRoots
And strength of character when faced with obstacles and rejection in life, rather than false machismo of packing guns and playing John Wayne from the Wild West.    
   
 BALLS and brains make a man.  
   
 Not guns.
My post was meant to be tongue in cheek. Regardless of how much "Balls" a man may have it does no good in a confrontation with a guy who has a weapon. Having a gun and knowing how to use it is no guarantee but being unarmed is a guarantee you won't be able to properly defend yourself.

The only truth here is that the mass killings will not stop.  Obama was right about one thing and that is these killings are becoming routine.  It's a shame that we can put a stop to a lot of this, but the political culture won't allow it.  

 
Here's a kicker:  BLONDEROOTS.
I believe it will take WOMEN to organize and put an end to this nonsense.  Generally speaking, Men are more prone to act of violence so how can men be expected to give up their weapons.  They argue that it is for self-defense, but we are more likely to die in a car accident or heart failure than be involved in a freaking gun fight!!   This ain't the OK Corral.  When mothers and wives see their sons and husbands buried then, I pray,  they will say enough is enough.  
Most developed Countries around the world look at the violence in the US (which is equal to many 3rd world Countries) and shake their heads.

Now let's get back to hooker reviews please.. SMH, LOL (but not really).

GaGambler575 reads

but considering there are hundreds of millions of guns in this country, many of which are already in the hands of criminals who aren't about to give them up, I think I will keep mine until you figure out a way to get rid of all the rest of them.



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joecarter487 reads

if they wished someone was armed to stop the vile asshole from shooting them . . .  

as usual, no solution offered that would have changed a thing.  the classic wringing of hands and finger pointing.

car accidents or heart failure didn't kill them

liberals are always willing and eager to sacrifice individuals freedoms or even lives to promote silly ideas that do nothing to solve the real problem.

They use irrelevant and often made-up statistics to justify screwing the individual to benefit "the people".

now, back to hooker reviews

Most developed Countries around the world look at the violence in the US (which is equal to many 3rd world Countries) and shake their heads.
 
The US is #111 in the world for violent crime. Most of the top 110 countries are socialist states with bans on guns. If the stats you read only count guns, then the US ranks at the top. If you include things like bombs, knives, clubs, etc, the rest of the world is pretty dangerous compared to the US. Chicago has had an almost total ban on guns since the 1980's. If Chicago were a separate country, it would be the most violent country in the world.

I know you don't like guns. But without them, the young and the strong would rule the streets. Women and old people would be at their whim. Your safety depends upon men and women who carry guns to protect you and keep the thugs away.

BlondeRoots426 reads

And eachothers kids, babymommas, and mothers.

It sucks, but if you don't live in a poor, inner city, thugs probably aren't worried about you and your family in Anytown, USA.

I worry more about the random stuff.  When I go to a library, I look for the nearest emergency exit.  I sit facing the entry and think about what I'll do if some loser walks in with a machine gun.  Chances are... That's our (school kids, civilians) real danger of getting shot.

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You might still take a position in the library where you would have a clear view if some lunatic walks in with a machine gun, but you'd be a lot more secure in the fact that you would have a fighting chance to save not only your own life, but the lives of others.

For the record, my mother, my sweet 78 year old mother who has spent her entire life in the ultraliberal SF Bay Area has been carrying a gun since the late 1970's. Guns aren't just for guys with too much testosterone. They can give an old woman without a prayer of taking on a criminal physically the confidence to go where she wants, when she wants without being paralyzed by fear. and no, in the over 40 years that my mother has been "packing heat" she has never fired a shot in anger or self defense, but she has had the quiet confidence in knowing that she doesn't have to wait for a cop to show up to defend her if the need arises. Why do all the bleeding heart libs want to take my mother's guns away from her, and with them the ability to defend herself?

BlondeRoots480 reads

I wear skin tight dresses and carry a small purse.

I kid, I kid.

My mom actually has a gun too and it's silly because my mom is getting a lil senile and I'm pretty sure she doesn't remember where she put it.  

I'm not interested in carrying a weapon.  An attacker (what are the odds) would probably just take it from me.  An attacker of your sweet mom would probably take it from her.  If you're in a movie theatre with me when someone opens fire, I hope you will defend me...

It's not only about being able to kill your attacker, but the potential innocents killed by stray bullets. It's easier to miss your target than hit it.

One guy said that when he was finally in a position to do something he didn't because the police had arrived and he didn't want to be mistaken for the bad guy. Most people packing for protection aren't prepared to actually shoot accurately and effectively in a dangerous situation.

I'm not a gun abolitionist, but I believe that ownership *must* be paired with proper training. If one's intention is self-defense, then safety training is not enough, they should receive combat-like training for properly engaging and potentially using lethal force. A dumbass with a gun doesn't make anyone safer.

GaGambler553 reads

There should be two standards, one is gun ownership in ones own home  and the other to be able to legally carry a weapon in public. Lot's of constitutional rights have to be weighed against the interest of public safety. I don't want a bunch of Barney Fifes packing heat any more than you do.

I was perfectly capable of handling a gun proficiently by about age 13 or 14. I've owned a gun since age eleven but was restricted in it's use until I could prove I could not only use it responsibly, but proficiently as well. It sure made boot camp a breeze a few years later

I carry a gun for self defense, and the defense of anyone with me. I don't carry to protect others. That's a cop's job. They have union-paid attorneys to defend against wrongful death civil suits. I don't, and I'm not willing to spend the $50K required for an attorney in such a suit because I fired to protect someone I didn't know (and who very possibly opposes my right to carry)

I have been following this story.  I read that armed individual did what I feel is the right thing...  secured the room he was in & proteced the occupants rather than walking into a a gun fight in progress.  Another person tragically left the security of a locked room to see what was happening & was immediately gunned down in the hall.    
 

Posted By: cocktail-party
One guy said that when he was finally in a position to do something he didn't because the police had arrived and he didn't want to be mistaken for the bad guy. Most people packing for protection aren't prepared to actually shoot accurately and effectively in a dangerous situation.  
   
 I'm not a gun abolitionist, but I believe that ownership *must* be paired with proper training. If one's intention is self-defense, then safety training is not enough, they should receive combat-like training for properly engaging and potentially using lethal force. A dumbass with a gun doesn't make anyone safer.  

BlondeRoots521 reads

Dads buy the guns to hunt or because "it's their God-given right to buy as many as they want!"  And it makes Dad feels like a MAN!  Alrighty.  Good for you Dad.  How about your 18 year old son who lives in your basement and won't go outside because he's too engrossed in playing Dungeons and Dragons?

You wonder, "Why won't my son go outside and go talk to girls or climb trees or play with a football?"  You and your wife take him to a therapist who prescribes him loop-di-loo pills because he's got "Dissociative Anti-Social Disorder" or some fake disease so the drug company can sell more brain altering pills.  If he stops taking said pills, the side effects are nausea, worsening depression, suicidal/homicidal thoughts...

So the kid, now 19, is going to college and he's wondering why girls aren't all over him like he's seen in porn.  He also hates his loopy pills so he stops taking them.  Every day he goes to school PISSED at the girls, and the black guys bc he thinks black guys have bigger dicks than him or some asssenine assumption he picked up from porn, and he starts fantasizing about teaching them all a lesson.

So he goes back to his basement and begins plotting revenge ...He doesn't have any money to buy guns but DAD HAS A STOCKPILE!!!!

And the rest is history.

Guys, lock up your Goddam guns if you have a reclusive or angry son age 15-22, would you please?  Or better yet, teach him to get off the computer, face the real world, learn lessons, socialize with others, get teased, get rejected, but he has to keep going.  That is LIFE and every single person has to figure out how to deal with it

GaGambler404 reads

I was raised around guns, my dad was one of those guys who had a SHITLOAD of guns, but he taught me from a young age on how to handle them, and more importantly to respect the killing potential of every firearm and that they were not toys to be played with, but serious business, not to be feared, but definitely to be respected. Because of that early training I am completely comfortable around guns, they hold no mystery to me, they are simply tools and just like a chainsaw or a sharp knife, a tool to be handled very carefully.

If DAD was a real man he'd make sure his son wasn't raised on video games and hiding in the basement. When I was a kid, which of course was well before the age of video games, we still had tv and that was the villain of my era. My parents limited me to 1 hour a day of TV, and monitored my tv watching vigilantly. I was forced to go outside and find ways to amuse myself, and I am eternally grateful to my parents for doing so.

GaGambler454 reads

Playing John Wayne is what kids without a proper father to teach them firearm safety do with guns.

Learning how to properly "use" a gun, not "misuse" one is something that should be a part of every kids early training, and should be started just like OTM said, before he (or she) is old enough to even jerk off. Taking the mystery out of firearms at a young age will make it extremely unlikely that child will ever mishandle a gun later in life.

I don't agree with OTM too often, but he was spot on this time.

Guns without balls and brains can be problematic, guns with balls and brains are part of the solution not part of the problem.

BlondeRoots467 reads

Maybe whether your father is MIA, passive, or actively involved in the kids lives, especially with boys who have access to guns, may make a difference.  We can't get rid of the guns, no.  They're everywhere.  But holy crap.  Guys know when their son is a little "off".  I'm not talking about healthy boys who are well trained with firearms.  Anyway, you know what I'm saying.

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I grew up shooting bolt-action rifles on a range, then carried a pistol for a job I had.  But it always felt like a bomb on my hip about to explode.  Silly, right?  I was in favor of strong gun laws and I despise the NRA.  
But there are some other realities that can't be ignored.  There are around 300 million guns in this country and it's going to stay that way.  The political situation means no meaningful legislation on background checks can be passed.  
There are also some crazy people in this country, plus terrorists who would love to kill us.
So my choice is to arm myself.  I'm currently making arrangements to retrieve a pistol I'd lent to someone and become licensed to keep it in my home and take it to a range.  I will get schooled in its proper and safe use and maintenance.  I'll be sure to store it safely and may also get a shotgun.  I won't be displaying them to anyone except any person who breaks into my home with intent to do me bodily harm, in which case they will be displayed business end first.  I have no intention of carrying them to a public place and playing vigilante if someone starts randomly shooting people.  I'll keep my head down, try to protect those around me and hope the cops get there in time.  No matter how well-trained I can make myself, I'd be too afraid I'd kill an innocent bystander by mistake.  I could not live with that on my conscience.  I hope you're OK with that.  Actually, no, that was just sarcasm.  Everyone has to find their own way here.

GaGambler417 reads

I don't carry a weapon in anticipation of taking down a mass murderer before the cops get there. I carry a weapon for my own defense and I would have a very hard time living with myself if I were to kill an innocent bystander in a misguided attempt to be a "hero" That doesn't mean I wouldn't act if put in that kind of situation, I am just saying that sometimes inaction is sometimes the best action depending on the circumstances.

I consider myself rather proficient with a handgun, and by proficient I mean I can put them all "in the black" on a silhouette target at 25 yards. That still means under perfect conditions, no wind, no stress, and no one shooting back at me, I am still going to off by at least a foot from my intended target. No way am I going to try to hit a moving target at more than just a very short distance in a "live fire" event unless it's just me and some person trying to kill me involved. Even the professionals make huge errors in these circumstances, and I am hardly a professional.

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I still remember qualifying on both silhouettes and bull's eyes with my service revolver, a .38 Colt Detective Special.  Meant to be carried concealed, it has only a 2-inch barrel and is very inaccurate.  I managed to get enough in the black to qualify, but it was obvious the gun was mostly useless beyond 10 feet.  In a crowd it would be as big a danger to bystanders as to the criminal being shot at.
I'm glad they are no longer being used.

As for a provider having a weapon, I always assume she does. A gun, mace, proper spray, taser, something. I think sll providers should have some type of weapon and be trained to use them.

ATLDAWG434 reads

All the above and more !!!  Assume she is packin' !!!  And in some neighborhoods-the boy friend in the next room or in the hall way is packin' too !!

Posted By: perfectstorm
As for a provider having a weapon, I always assume she does. A gun, mace, proper spray, taser, something. I think sll providers should have some type of weapon and be trained to use them.

Then we can sit and talk guns, and maybe go for target-practice later!  

 
OK, in all seriousness this was not cool.   I've never had someone bring one in without warning me.  I would have immediately told him that he had to go put it in his vehicle.  

Only twice has a client told me that he'd have a gun with him and would it be ok if he brought it in..... with the one guy, I'd already met him, knew that he needed it with him for work and based on my instincts about him I told him it was okay. Obviously, that's a very different situation than what you experienced.

The second was someone new to me and I told him not to bring it in; he replied that he couldn't leave it in the car so he had to reschedule for a time when he wouldn't have it with him.   He turned out to be fine, but yeah.... I wouldn't want someone new bringing in a gun, either.  

Very sorry this happened to you!  Maybe if you emailed or texted him to tell HIM how he made you feel, it could help.  :-)

 
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PS~ No, I don't really have a gun with me at my incall.  Pepper spray, a baseball bat and furry handcuffs...but no gun. :-P

I've been carrying a gun (reasons are personal) for nearly 30 years. I don't carry into the homes of people I don't know, people I know don't like guns, or into a private intimate meeting with someone I don't know. It's just not the right thing to do.

I don't like to leave the gun in the trunk of a car, as I've had many cars broken into, and I don't want some punk using my gun in a crime. But if I have to leave it, so be it.  

There's a provider I've seen multiple times who I told about my carry, and she has no problem with it. Another provider I'd seen more than once told me about how she liked to hunt deer. I figured she was okay with guns, told her about my carry, and asked if she'd mind if I kept it on when I came to our next meeting. She said yes, but I think she was just telling me what I wanted to hear, because she freaked out when I arrived at our next meeting wearing it. I don't do that with her anymore.

The guy was either a total moron, a guy new to  carrying who was trying to impress (it's not there to impress, asshole), or was trying to be intimidating. Concealed means concealed.

he just doesn't know it. Take lessons, buy yourself a gun, carry your permit, you're set. Its there if you need to use it. People are fucking nuts these days

How sharp is your accuracy? Can you hit a moving target? What gauge bullet are you packing - are you prepared to deal with your stray bullet(s) killing someone in the next room? In close quarters, are you confident (through practice, not imagination) that you'll be able to get an accurate, crippling/deadly shot off before your attacker restrains you?

You're more likely to kill an innocent party or have your gun used against you if you're not truly prepared to handle an attacker.

lessons aka proper training

Im pretty confident if ever put in a situation to have to use it on an asshole i'd hit my target where it would clearly put him out but not kill. you don't have to be a cop to know how to use a gun properly. it's called education

Posted By: cocktail-party
How sharp is your accuracy? Can you hit a moving target? What gauge bullet are you packing - are you prepared to deal with your stray bullet(s) killing someone in the next room? In close quarters, are you confident (through practice, not imagination) that you'll be able to get an accurate, crippling/deadly shot off before your attacker restrains you?  
   
 You're more likely to kill an innocent party or have your gun used against you if you're not truly prepared to handle an attacker.

But as we all know, life doesn't always follow the script. If you've never bothered with physically running through some attacker exercises then you're really flying blind and you can't be confident that you'll react exactly how you imagine. I hope you never have to face such a dangerous situation, but you may want to look into booking some time with a self-defense expert

I assume that's obvious. But then again you keep blabbing things that should be obvious to anyone responsible enough to carry. Everything necessary to be stated was in my first post. You must like to listen to yourself talk is my conclusion.  

Posted By: cocktail-party
But as we all know, life doesn't always follow the script. If you've never bothered with physically running through some attacker exercises then you're really flying blind and you can't be confident that you'll react exactly how you imagine. I hope you never have to face such a dangerous situation, but you may want to look into booking some time with a self-defense expert.  
   
 

I've met my share of idiots who think that a basic gun safety course and an afternoon at the range is enough preparation for engaging an armed assailant. The problem with your post is that you fail to elaborate on the "lessons" you've taken. There's enough ignorance regarding guns and self-defense that it's irresponsible for you to blithely promote gun ownership. Duh!

joecarter467 reads

killing anyone except that thug Trayvon (if Obama had a son . . . .  ;) Dumbass brought fists to a gun fight he picked.

How about we identify the GROUP with the most violent crime and bodies on them and take their guns away?

Now there's a solution to minimize minority victims . . . . but their leaders don't really think that those lives matter.

There is no problem with my post as it was intended for those who are responsible enough and do know what it takes to be a responsible armed owner. Elaboration isn't necessary for those who understand true gun safety. The only ignorance evident is assuming I am not one of them when you don't know me from Adam

If you're that passionate about gun safety, then do something about it in real time. Don't preach about it on a fuck board. Let me repeat. A fuck board. Your words will get you nowhere here. But keep talking if it makes you feel better.  

Posted By: cocktail-party
I've met my share of idiots who think that a basic gun safety course and an afternoon at the range is enough preparation for engaging an armed assailant. The problem with your post is that you fail to elaborate on the "lessons" you've taken. There's enough ignorance regarding guns and self-defense that it's irresponsible for you to blithely promote gun ownership. Duh!

and most of us seem to drive well enough.

I agree that training and practice are important if one is going to carry for self defense. The first thing, and the most difficult, that needs to be done is to have a sit-down with yourself, and ask if you can really take the life of another person. If you can't, don't carry. My mother-in-law wanted to get a gun for protection after her husband died. She only wanted to shoot bad guys in the legs, though. She didn't want to kill them. I told her she shouldn't get a gun for protection.  

Every time I see a provider, especially in hotels, I worry that they have no means of protection. They're so vulnerable. One provider I know mentioned on a regional forum that she had a bodyguard. If true, that's great.

There are too many people who think that spending a little time shooting at targets at the range is enough preparation to be effective in a dangerous situation. The fact is that the untrained usually freeze, hesitate and miss (a lot) - which can lead to collateral damage and getting killed. In a mass shooting situation, they risk adding to the confusion, getting mistaken for the bad guy, and again, collateral damage!

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would have welcomed anyone who was armed to try to stop the monster.  What's to train?  Shoot the bad guy center-mass and shoot until you are empty, then reload.  It simply ain't that hard.  The vast majority of gun owners are responsible and safe.

Most cops are poorly trained, can't shoot and miss a lot too.  I see them all the time at my local range.

Then only thing that stops a bad-guy with a gun is a good-guy with a gun.  When seconds count, cops are there in minutes.

There are always plenty of folks who point-out what can't be done

GaGambler449 reads

The best way to survive a gun battle is to go for center mass. Let Billy the Kid try shooting the gun out of the bad guy's hand. My goal is to survive and the best way to survive is to make sure the other guy never gets up.

One problem for providers carrying weapons on calls is the very real chance that they will never be able to reach said weapon when dealing with a larger stronger person. I still believe that proper screening trumps a Glock under the pillow, but it hardly freaks me out if a lady kept a weapon handy "just in case" I can't imagine any situation where any woman would mistake my intentions to rise to a level where she thought her life was in danger. I don't even like "roughs sex" much less anything where she would be scared for her life.  As I said earlier, my mother has carried a firearm for over forty years without incident as have most people who have carry permits.

You don't know if the person you shoot is going to die or not. As GAGambler said, you shoot for center of mass. Maybe the guy dies, maybe not. He  forfeited his right to life when he endangered yours.  

The subject of mass shootings has been raised a few times here. There have been very few mass shootings where armed permit holders were present, primarily because almost all mass shootings happen at places where guns are prohibited. Even crazy people know to hunt sheep and not wolves. There have been several shootings where armed "civilians" were present and were able to stop the shooter.  

How is all of this hobby related? ;)

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There seems to be this obsession with protecting yourself from "this guy" who's going to attack you.

Has ANY GUY EVER personally attacked you or your family, and you had to defend yourself with your arsenal of weapons?

Come on.  You guys know that you REALLY have these guns as an extension of your dick.  It makes you feel like a BADASS if you own guns.  Like you're powerful.  If you really admitted it, that's the reason.  If you lost your guns, you'd feel a bit more effiminate and you don't like that.  So you'll sleep with your gun under your pillow, and caress it, and shine it like it's your 2nd penis.

Women aren't obsessed with our genitalia (or lack there of) so that's why we don't GAF about guns.  And why we usually don't like them.  We also dont like killing.  We don't have that weird obsession with killing and trying to control the world.  If there weren't women around to TRY to keep you guys somewhat civilized, you'd all have grenades, nuclear weapons, machine guns, bombs, torpedoes.  You'd blow up the world... Will, I should say.

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GaGambler436 reads

I would be dead today if on one certain day many years ago I was not carrying a firearm. Sorry your argument doesn't hold any weight with me, and I am quite thankful I make my own decisions in life rather than listen to some woman who thinks I carry a gun to feel "manly" I carry a gun with the same emotion that I carry a hammer. It's a tool, plain and simple

as for this being strictly a male issue, as I said earlier my 78 year old mother has been carrying a weapon at almost all times for the last 40+ years. She doesn't want to kill anyone, she just likes the security of being able to defend herself if she ever has call to, and please no more preaching from the peanut gallery about how she is more likely to have it used against her than save her life. between my mother and I we have almost a hundred years of firearm experience, if I haven't shot my foot off yet, I don't think I am going to anytime in the future.

BlondeRoots442 reads

And you know that MANY guys are gung-ho about guns to boost their own sense of masculity, despite their claims of  needing protection against some imaginary, imminent attacker.

GaGambler424 reads

but I am far from uncommon in the fact that I treat a gun just like any other tool. There are millions of gun owners like me. I am sorry you have bought into the leftwing, anti gun rhetoric spread by people who just don't understand gun ownership and are terrified by it, choosing to rely on other people (ie the police) 100% to protect them from harm.  

and how about my mother? She hardly needs a gun to feel "manly" there are millions of female gun owners so I am sorry, but your argument simply doesn't hold water.

why do we seek small guns to carry? The psychobabble about the reasons people own guns is boring.  

As for women and guns, they're the fastest-growing demographic in the gun industry right now. Women are buying guns and gun accessories at a much faster rate than men, minorities, etc.

I've been fortunate in that I haven't had to shoot anyone. Just displaying the gun was enough to scare them off. I did have to stab someone.

The Department of Justice puts the number of defensive uses of firearms by lawful citizens at 500,000 per year. A study by the Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics done in the 1990's put the number at 1.5 million. An ongoing study by the criminology department at the University of Florida puts the number at 2.5 million. Whichever number you choose, there's no lack of people who needed guns, and were thankful they had them.

It's funny how everyone claims to be non-judgmental on this forum, but when it comes to something as personal as carrying a weapon, the battle lines get drawn pretty fast.

BlondeRoots437 reads

You displayed your gun to scare "him" off.

Are you imagining that he was going to rob, rape, or shoot you?  Maybe he was just a normal, posturing douchebag that was just acting like he was a threat?

What would you do if you were unarmed and another unarmed man met in an alley and there was some altercation?  Ever heard of fist-fighting?  Out-smarting him?  Talking your way out of an escalation?  Unless you have a legitimate story of how your gun saved your life, I stand by my opinion that you carry it purely for extra "balls"

There was no imagination needed. If I'd stabbed someone without cause, I would be a felon and wouldn't be able to legally own guns. It was justified.

This may cause your head to explode, but carrying a gun makes a person less confrontational, not more. If someone says something or tries to pick a fight, you find a way to de-escalate the situation. Apologize, walk away, whatever. The last thing you want to do is shoot someone.  

It just hit me: you've never been in a life-threatening situation before, have you? You wouldn't be spouting such inanities if you had.

Well, you have your mind made up, and there's nothing that will change it. Nice to have met you.  



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Uses an alias to opine which is certainly his/her right. I just find it curious.

BlondeRoots398 reads

From boogeymen.

Well, at least that you WISH they had guns to protect THEMSELVES from booogeymen.  I've never ever ever ever been attacked by a client in any forceful or violent way.  I won't tell you my secret, but it is not because I have a gun.  Ask other poor lil providers if theyve ever been attacked either.

I have no problem with people having an opinion, but they should at least have an educated opinion. You comments have no bearing on the discussion since you obviously have not a clue about firearms... bullets do not come in gauges, they come in caliber.. shotguns come in gauges (a measure of the diameter of the barrel).

In answer to your questions.. Yes I can hit a moving target with a shotgun or a rifle and less accurately with a handgun (depending on range, at 10 feet I will hit what I'm aiming at).

I keep a shotgun loaded in the house in the case of b&e or home invasion and there will be no stray bullets. In close quarters I will get off an accurate deadly shot.

I have had training from an early age in the handling of weapons just like Gambler and subsequent training by my favorite Uncle in basic training and beyond.

As for the OP, the first "provider" I ever engaged showed me which drawer in her bedroom she kept her handgun in. It was loaded :)

He may very well have "the right" to carry a gun (the merits of which are an entirely different issue), but I cannot imagine anyone with an IQ over 30 thinking that that's an okay thing to do in such a setting. I don't blame you for being scared, and if I were you I'd blacklist the shit out of him. That's terrifying.  

This is why we can't have nice things.

i think our floxie is a guy..

Long ago, I had a job which required me to be armed.  I was not brought up in a shooting household though I had a 22 rifle at a reasonable age.   I did not hobby at that time in my life, but i did spend considerable time at a GF (later financee's home) with her 2 boys.  
Guns have safety devises built in.  Proper holsters have additional safety featurs built in (covered trigger guard & some type of retainer are safety features).   Whether using the facilities, having dinner with them or staying the night, my loaded gun remained in it's holster...  often on a peg in her bedroom.    
If he had a CC permit, for a properly holstered firearm...  it would NOT freak me out.  People with permits have had at least their records checked & would be anxious to avoid any situation which might give them a record.    
I'd not carry into a place where the person in control (home or hotel room) prefers I not...    

However I would not reveal a weapon without first gently letting the person in control know.  My thought is to let the other person know I have a permit, the weapon is here & safe, you have nothing to worry about, and I'd place all my belngings on the chair provided until I'm ready to leave.  
That said, I'd not carry a weapon or drugs into a P4P situation.          

I have been with gals I knew to be armed.  I trusted them or I would not have been there in the first place.  

Now a weapon carried loose, would indeed be cause for concern...  criminals don't carry holsters so the weapon can be ditched after a crime.

GaGambler435 reads

Just why wouldn't you lock your firearm in your vehicle? and what do you do when entering a "gun free" zone?  I live in Texas where it's been illegal forever to bring a firearm into any place where alcohol is served, which means most decent restaurants. What would you have me do, stay out of restaurants, break the law, or lock my gun in my car?

floxiegirl389 reads

Don't show up and gently tell me that you're armed. That's not gentle, to me. It's frightening.

I don't care if you have a permit, medals, certificates for gun safety. I want to know, beforehand, that I'm going to be alone with an armed man, who has very possibly been trained to shoot, and kill. I'm not interested in being in that environment, not at all. It's scary

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