She is as hot as they come, just my type body wise, but a cold fish in the sack. She has a "novio" and she freely admits she saves all the intimate stuff for him. I've been with her twice, but never again, or at least not until she gets rid of the boyfriend, and I've told her as much. Every time I see her at the bar I'll buy her a drink and ask if she still has the novio, and every time she tells me he's still in the picture, I tell her "maybe next time"
I am sure I speak for many guys when I say that sex without kissing is not much more satisfying than jerking off to porn, and I gave that up many many years ago. So count me as one of those guys who will look elsewhere if I even think there might be a chance that kissing is off the menu.This question is mostly for providers. I have ran across a couple of ads that don't really make sense to me. Read a couple of reviews and some girls offer BBBJ but state in their rules that they don't allow DATY, or Kissing, which is fine but it doesn't seem to make sense to me. So you will suck my dick with no condom but I'm not good enough to kiss (Not to sound harsh or vulgar). Why is that? Just looking for input, not trying to be judgmental or rant.
"So you will stick your tongue up my ass, but I am not good enough to kiss?" (also not to sound harsh or vulgar)
It is what it is.
I suppose in many cases it's an "intimacy" issue, with others I just assume they don't like to do it, so they don't, and I don't like to see hookers with such limited menus, so I don't. lol
There was once a time when no prostitue would kiss,but would do BBFS at the drop of your pants. Maybe she is old-fashioned *o)
i have had it happen..she explained to me that kissing her on the mouth was too " intimate "..i guess my cock was less intimate than my tongue..go figure..
ookers never kissed, that was reserved for their boyfriends or husbands. The thought of going to a whore house and getting kissed was out of the question. The escort scene and the popularity of the GFE has changed that
imagine if you are really good in one sport. if you teamed up with some friends who are just as good to play it, yet you were paired up in a league where all other teams just treated it as some sunday fun.. you could lose interest.
but.. imagine if you weren't good in another sport and you wanted to join a friends team where everyone is super awesome at it. they probably wouldnt allow you to join. or you would be benched. lol.
while i do both, its just another situation where people view things differently. 
Still TMI
but.. imagine if you weren't good in another sport and you wanted to join a friends team where everyone is super awesome at it. they probably wouldnt allow you to join. or you would be benched. lol.
while i do both, its just another situation where people view things differently.
Just can't bring themselves to kiss a guy they're not attracted to, but during fucking they can "go elsewhere." Also, if she says she doesn't allow it that might make it easier for her to choose which clients she doesn't mind kissing. As for DATY, one provider I used to see fairly regularly had to put a stop to it because she kept getting bacterial infections from it, her body just wouldn't tolerate it. But I imagine most that don't allow it either don't like the intimacy of it, are trying to keep from getting rubbed raw by all those tongues, or simply don't like it.
I think they're avoiding the germs that are in your mouth. Everyone has bacteria there, no matter how much you brush and floss. When I first started I had a runny nose for like a month. I mean, the sheer volume of germs you encounter is unreal. Now I think I'm pretty much immune to everything the DMV has to offer but I totally understand now why some girls won't kiss.
I really need kissing in a session to get the oven warmed up so to speak.
Maybe the hookers that add this have had way too many johns that were horrible kissers or so bad at DATY that they got fed up and decided to quit allowing it.
OR
Kissing is deemed by some ladies too personal. Now, while you might not understand this or find it logical, they do and they make the rules. You can either see them or not.
And DATY, they might save something for the SO or she just does not like OR the above...some guys are just so bad at it and use teeth and suck way too hard.
Really could do without the sarcastic responses. As a client I understand what my right is and I choose who I want to or do not want to see. As I stated in my initial post, this post is not a dig at anyone, just an inquiry.
OR
Kissing is deemed by some ladies too personal. Now, while you might not understand this or find it logical, they do and they make the rules. You can either see them or not.
And DATY, they might save something for the SO or she just does not like OR the above...some guys are just so bad at it and use teeth and suck way too hard.
You might as well ask for the sun to rise in the west as ask for people here to not answer sarcastically.
and sarcastic or not, her response was an accurate one. She doesn't speak for all hookers, but she did list some of the more common reasons.
One last thing, if you thought her response was sarcastic, you may want to head on over to the over 60 or Newbie board, because you aint seen nothin yet. Her post was only "mildly" sarcastic, but now that she knows it bothers you, I can't wait to see the MHB in her come out on your next post. lol
Grow the fuck up...seriously you call that sarcasm? I was being serious but freaking sally here who is manstrating, got all verclempt and peed his diaper.
I also answered your inquiry or didn't I suck up enough for you?
Your MHB credentials are reinstated. lol
I tried to warn him, but I guess it's true, you can't fix stupid.
So I'm fairly new to these posts, replies etc. And I was trying to figure out why it has an alias option on it. Now I've found the answer! It's so cowards can rant and hide behind a fake alias behind their other fake alias. Thats it right? Cracks me up that hbyist+truth and GaGambler make references to over 60 groups and diapers when the two of you are notorious for going in on people with immature, high school-ish comments. Last I checked only adults could subscribe to TER right? So seeing as how I made a comment in a thread I started a few days ago, a light hearted jokingly thread I might ad (see: I hate it when) and hbyist+truth felt compelled to come at me personally, I just assumed everything that came out of your mouth was meant to be taken in a sarcastic manner. Then, perfectstorm felt the need to get in line behind GaGambler for a good ole fashioned session of brown nosing. So I'll say this, if you have nothing nice to say, or if it in no way shape or form contributes to or enhances the learning that is occurring keep your comments to yourself. Or as my fellow brothers-in-arms like to say, grab yourself a mug and have a nice cup of shut the fuck up. For the rest of you who commented positively/informatively, thank you. It's nice to know that people can engage in dialect without taking it as someone is taking a shot at their profession.
Cup of "shut the fuck up". If you were as above it all as you think, you would have ignored my post, but no, you chose to get down and grubby with me, which means that you are not the adult you say you are.
You might want to go and grab a skin suit a little thicker than the one you are wearing or join another group that is PC and ass kissing. This one is not...when in Rome or suffer the consequences of trying to be a superior asshole.
And you're welcome.
BTW, Gag and PS do not ass kiss me...do a search, they have railed on me but I didn't run crying that they were mean...do me a favor and shove your penis shaped pacifier back in your mouth and suck it!
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You might want to go and grab a skin suit a little thicker than the one you are wearing or join another group that is PC and ass kissing. This one is not...when in Rome or suffer the consequences of trying to be a superior asshole.
And you're welcome.
BTW, Gag and PS do not ass kiss me...do a search, they have railed on me but I didn't run crying that they were mean...do me a favor and shove your penis shaped pacifier back in your mouth and suck it!
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Not the same crap over and over and over.
I think she may have asked someone for help on how to create an interesting reply.
You might want to go and grab a skin suit a little thicker than the one you are wearing or join another group that is PC and ass kissing. This one is not...when in Rome or suffer the consequences of trying to be a superior asshole.
And you're welcome.
BTW, Gag and PS do not ass kiss me...do a search, they have railed on me but I didn't run crying that they were mean...do me a favor and shove your penis shaped pacifier back in your mouth and suck it!
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Yet the guys still keep coming back. When will you and the other small minded imbeciles understand that "here" is one thing, and real world is another. Totally fun getting you and a couple of other idiots all riled up.
Think about this a little while..you see some tricks here who seem utterly obnoxious and pathetic, do you really think they act like that when trying to book a session? Or at work in the real world? This is fun and games and if it makes you and your sycophantic following get hard to think I hate my job or the guys I see, then I will help you along. Yes I do, I hate everything and everyone...there, better?
If you dislike something it will show.
It's clear you are bitter and hate what you are doing.
This is why you don't have your reviews or website attached to your comments.
So please stop with the bullshit.
It would be no more business for you. Lol
Think about this a little while..you see some tricks here who seem utterly obnoxious and pathetic, do you really think they act like that when trying to book a session? Or at work in the real world? This is fun and games and if it makes you and your sycophantic following get hard to think I hate my job or the guys I see, then I will help you along. Yes I do, I hate everything and everyone...there, better?
1) if you don't want sarcastic replies you certainly picked the wrong board to post on! Try the over 60 board!
2) if you thought H+T's answer was sarcastic, you need to shop in the toddler section
Is "YMMV." The provider's ads make it clear that kissing and/or DATY are at her discretion. I've seen that done often, especially for kissing, and also for services like Island tours.
But as you said, they might be totally off the menu as being too personal, bad experiences etc. While I understand why they might be off the menu, their being off the menu would cause me to look elsewhere.
She is as hot as they come, just my type body wise, but a cold fish in the sack. She has a "novio" and she freely admits she saves all the intimate stuff for him. I've been with her twice, but never again, or at least not until she gets rid of the boyfriend, and I've told her as much. Every time I see her at the bar I'll buy her a drink and ask if she still has the novio, and every time she tells me he's still in the picture, I tell her "maybe next time"
I am sure I speak for many guys when I say that sex without kissing is not much more satisfying than jerking off to porn, and I gave that up many many years ago. So count me as one of those guys who will look elsewhere if I even think there might be a chance that kissing is off the menu.
When I spend time with a lady, I've already read her reviews, her website and I know or have a very good idea of her menu. That being said, not too many ladies post " no DFK" or "no DATY". I can tell almost immediately if she doesn't like to kiss, or if she's OK with LFK but not DFK. This is not an issue for me. And, I always ask her before going down on her if she wants it, some gals really want it, others really don't and then there are those that are like " it's OK if you want to do it". Unless she lets me know, in no uncertain terms, that she really likes it, I pass on that activity. I like pussy, I really like eating pussy, I'm told that I'm pretty good at it, my college GF was a pretty good teacher. But just as guys like their cocks sucked differently, I'm sure women like their pussy eaten differently. So, for this very reason if I do go down on her I ask her for direction as to what she likes and dislikes.
As long as I get my cock sucked bbbj, I'm a happy client. Everything beyond that is icing on the cake, as they say.
And HT, I really do like your candor on the boards, sometimes I agree with you, sometimes not, sometimes I like what you have to say, sometimes not. The beauty of that is that we are all different (thank goodness) and I appreciate that you don't say what you think others want to hear, but rather how you feel. Good stuff darlin.
If you and I should ever disagree, fuck you and here's to me, lol.
It was way too personal and I wanted to save something for my wife. It felt way too much like cheating even with my wife's blessing and support in doing this. I since grew out of that and now kiss away but it took years to do so.
I think for the ladies that have a restrictions on kissing it is mostly for similar reasons. In fact I have talked to a few and they confirmed as much.
As for DATY, well some guys are clueless. Some even nibble or other such crap. Some don't take instruction and if you are too rough DATY can be painful. My wife loves her job but dreads when johns want to eat her out. She charges them extra if they indicate such a desire. She loves being eaten out but not by clueless johns who don't listen.
t I could fuck her ass to my heart's content. Go figure.
The point is, you'll never ever get into the psyche of why ladies behave as they do. Many reasons she may offer a BBBJ but not allow kissing and or DATY. We all have our sexual quirks, so don't waste time trying to analyze why certain services aren't offered. Read the reviews and see the women who do offer what you seek.
"Wait a minute mister, I didn't even kiss her..."
Yup, kissing is like that, even to a guy sometimes, so imaging what it's like to a gal.
And yes, in the old days, kissing was a virtual no-no while even BBFS was pretty common (pre AIDS era)
I recall the first gal who wanted to play tonsil hockey with me, and I loved it. Still do.
In any case, here's the song now that I have it rolling around my head:
I've been checking out a European site for providers. I'm surprised at how many will have checked off "kissing, if chemistry is there", but list just about every other service you can think of. Many are a la carte, so a BBBJ is 100 to 150 Euro more, CiIM is 100 to 200 Euro more, etc. There's no extra charge for kissing, but it's optional on the provider's part.
No way will I ever agree to something until I have seen and checked the cleanliness and health of the john standing in front of me.
How a hooker can go through with kissing a guy with breath that could melt steel is beyond me...and if she refuses, I can hear it now.."but you kissed the last 5 guys you saw...I read the reviews...."
I regularly see a Korean woman who gives an amazing professional massage. She then gives a rim job and BBBJ with CIM, without swallowing. I usually DATY until she reaches an orgasm. But both LFK and DFK are strictly off limits. She explained that she reserves the most "romantic" part of the sexual experience for her SO. I really love kissing which is very erotic for me, but I understand her need to keep some part of herself for the special person in her life.
I'm not a psychiatrist and I don't play one on TER but these relationships are temporary and limited and having one or more boundaries helps to keep them that way. Others have commented on the intimacy some associate with kissing while to others it's just a way to swap spit. And I'm sure that many have encountered the "Don't touch my hair!" girls. And it's not always because of a fresh hairdo or extensions. In order to provide everything else, some things have to remain off limits and under her control. (I'm a face guy and have even been disappointed with some "Don't touch my face!" situations. Hard throat fucking is OK, as long as I don't stroke her cheek or touch her skin while pushing her hair back behind her ears.
LOL! That happened to me once, on my worst-ever provider date. I was incredulous because she had really long hair that made it impossible to not touch it... unless I kept my hands at my sides. Maybe that was the idea!
I've also run into "don't touch my face." In fact my ATF doesn't like her face touched, with hands. Kissing is fine and touching everywhere else is fine. And curiously, she's ok with my massaging her face. But hey, it's her face!
Never had a "don't touch my face" encounter, but did have one who, before had a "don't lick my face" rule. As if I had ever even considered it! Other than that, it was anything goes
Usually I don't mind it, but good lord some people do not know how to be courteous enough to brush their gotdamn teeth before they come to a session. IF your asshole smells better than your mouth, there is a problem.
Good point, I brush 
Why? Because I had absolutely no guidance or advice to go by when I started and doing a BJ with a condom didn't even occur to me.
But in Pretty Woman, she said no kissing... so I thought that was the standard "thing".
What?! Are you now gonna tell me that everything I see in movies isn't real? Noooooo! LOL.
Seriously, I was very very young then. And that's the excuse I'm gonna go with, yes it is.
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LOL. Back in the days when Pretty Woman was made (1990), local SF agency girls were still BB** . There were a few who did not want to kiss. It was psychological. Kissing was considered too intimate. That's what I was told by some of the girls. That part of the movie was realistic!
Great question,
personally to me they are both intimate acts (more bbbj) but I'll be honest if I don't feel that chemistry when you walk through my door or I noticed you showered too quickly and didn't use mouth YMMV with me. A lot of this industry is chemistry, believe it or not. As a provider I am conditioned to the fact that looks aren't what makes me more willing with sessions. It's all based on the personality of my prospective date that makes me bend the rules a little. I'm pretty certain that every provider, even the ones that state they don't kiss do, however it's the personality that makes a huge difference. I use to ask the same question before I joined the lifestyle but you live long enough and you see everything and your standards either stay the same or most likely change.
Roxanne
At least for me, kissing creates an intense feeling of intimacy. I can understand why some providers wouldn't want that. Also, some people just aren't good kissers. I've told my favorite how much I enjoy kissing her. She likes it too, but she says it's not something she can do with everyone.
that she doesn't kiss because she didn't know about client's "oral hygiene" and didn't want every client to expect it. It made sense to her ... I was a little confused, but I'm guessing YMMV wouldn't be a fix as some guys can be assholes.
Don't bother trying to understand the logic of it. It is in the same vein as hooker's math... meaning it has no rhyme or reason at all (LOL).
DFK is a priority for me. To the point where I won't see a provider who doesn't kiss. (I read reviews to screen for that.) And it has to be true DFK; LFK doesn't do much for me, although it's better than nothing. And if I meet a provider who doesn't kiss, I don't repeat. Call it a fetish if you must, but a session without DFK feels like one step above medical procedure. French kissing, after all, us a normal part of a sexual repertoire with a civvie/girlfriend/wife. And hobbying is supposed to replicate that, only without the obligations that come with civvie encounters.
That said, choosing what to allow and what not to allow is a provider's right. All I ask is for her to be honest about her rules. The last thing we need is someone's boundaries getting crossed.
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Seen "Pretty Woman" lol? Some providers think that kissing is too intimate.
Also, maybe they have boyfriends and want to reserve kissing for their love.
I'm not one of them, but I'm guessing.
When we were in the swinging world, lots of couples would have sex, but would make kissing off limits. Some would make Greek off limits. Its however the couple thought they could keep something special for each other
Her preferences may just be about intimacy & setting up barriers between her personal sex life and her professional sex life. Performing oral sex doesn't seem intimate to a lot of women, but letting a man taste us does. It's not really logical, it's all just about emotions. It doesn't mean you aren't good enough, it just means her idea of her job is that she is hired to give you pleasure, not receive it, and not get too intimate.
I know this has become a funny thread, and sorry if I'm taking it all way too seriously, but I just wanted to point out that these women are turning themselves inside out for you guys, right? So if they don't want you to touch their hair or kiss their lips, what is the big deal? I know, for a guy when you kiss a woman it's like a preview of sex. A woman's mouth is soft and warm and wet and it makes you think of her pussy. But for women, kissing a man is less sexy and more "I like you, I invite you in." It's more emotional.
I know it seems strange, but to me it makes perfect sense why a woman would let you fuck her throat but not caress her face. She's saying power fuck me all you want, but don't pretend we're making love and then walk out the door.
And just remember, they could be like me and take pussy off the menu entirely. So, I say if a woman is gracious enough to wrap her lips around your cock, no matter which lips they be, you should look her in the eyes, smile and say thank you.