I get that, but again, this tweet is not client-specific. It doesn't scream I hate men or I hate clients. What I see when I read it is stop wasting my time and book a date if you want to chit chat. You wouldn't believe how many PMs girls get on Twitter with guys that just want to chat endlessly. That's great, some of us have time and don't mind to oblige, but for others it's a huge waste of time.
BTW, we aren't McDonald's. We are actual people, so we have actual legitimate people issues a lot of times. For the poster that suggested McDonald's can't rant, of course they can't, but McDonald's isn't getting fucked by their customers and I'm not a cheeseburger.
I follow a quite a few providers on twitter. A handful of them spend a lot of energy insulting men in general and talking bad about clients. Is this an edgy trend among a segment of providers? I would never insult my clients under the auspices of my professional name/setting.
I won't name any names, but some of these ladies will complain about a lack of business while also complaining about clients/men in general.
Seriously, what's the point of bitching about clients then complaining about a lack of calls?
... sort of the cyber-version of picking our noses in our cars and thinking no one in the car beside us notices.
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Then you don't need to bitch about their bitching ; ) Twitter is a site for self-expression. If you don't like what certain girls are saying, just don't follow them.
Our business is different from your typical business in that most people have to kiss ass of people they really don't like to keep their clients. We don't have to see just anyone as our business involves physical intimacy and those that misbehave should know their behavior was unacceptable. As long as the lady isn't posting personal information about him, it sort of serves like a PSA...
I doubt they are bitching much about actual clients. What I mostly see is it's usually a really stupid email from someone that should've known better that was never a client and never would be. These tweets are more like duh, don't ask for explicit services via email, or don't send me pictures of your penis. You know, stuff most seasoned friends know better and would never do. It's a SMH moment.
Maybe they are complaining about a lack of quality clients. It can be particularly annoying to spend a lot of time on admin work to weed through time wasting emails like those mentioned above for no real, good dates.
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I totally understand, but what I am talking is different the than issues you are addressing.
I get that, but again, this tweet is not client-specific. It doesn't scream I hate men or I hate clients. What I see when I read it is stop wasting my time and book a date if you want to chit chat. You wouldn't believe how many PMs girls get on Twitter with guys that just want to chat endlessly. That's great, some of us have time and don't mind to oblige, but for others it's a huge waste of time.
BTW, we aren't McDonald's. We are actual people, so we have actual legitimate people issues a lot of times. For the poster that suggested McDonald's can't rant, of course they can't, but McDonald's isn't getting fucked by their customers and I'm not a cheeseburger.
I'm not expecting anybody to kiss someone's ass, but I do expect people not to insult entire genders. Its very unprofessional and hateful.
I fail to see how this tweet is an insult to the entire male gender. The wording in particular is not very good, and I wouldn't tweet something like this, but I think you're going a bit overboard with it. Guys for the most part are primal, that's not an insult at all. If you weren't, none of us would be in business. What I see when I read this is not I hate guys, I hate my clients. I see don't go see a $200/hr. lady and if I charge $500/hr. try to haggle with me because you got it for cheaper elsewhere and I should be happy with whatever you're willing to offer lil ole desperate me. It's a matter of perspective. I think you're taking a lot of it the wrong way. Clearly an embellishment that any of this is man-hating or anti-client. At least these examples, anyway. Or you're just a really good guy and can't fathom that some really do behave this way and there are that many fucktards out there. Unfortunately, there are a lot : (
I get crap because I say I see old, fat or just plain saggy and out of shape, unattractive men...that is the reality, I do. Nice guys though but there is no hiding the physical portion.
That description, to many, is a slam. Even though every word is true. Not like an calling them stupid or idiots...now that is a slam.
There is a TV show called "Scared Straight...juveniles go to jail and get a dose of what it would be like if they ended up there.
To be fair, I think there should be something like this for hookers...to be in the buyers seat and for johns to be in the sellers shoes. I think then a lot of the snark towards each other might be reduced...well here's hoping. Nothing like experiencing it to really understand the nuances and difficulties either side goes through.
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99%of providers reciprocate kindness and generosity from the client. I guess my beef is why complain about lack of business when the twitter timeline is full of disdain and insults towards men. Not a great marketing strategy.
Like anyone who has a bad day or who hates their boss or finds some clients assholes, don't say it on Twitter where the boss/client etc. can read it...have another account and say whatever you want and it will not impact business.
There is one funny anonymous account that pokes fun at clients and men but its done in humor. There are two others I came across that are just full of hate. The one that is cloaked in humor gets points across without being hateful. The other two I would feel gross giving my money to somebody who hated me just because I am a man.
To be specific within one gender belies the experience one might have had to back up the comments, good, bad or indifferent.
Now, to do it in humor..is that really any different other than cloaking it in humor, but saying much the same thing, just with sprinkles on top to soften the blow? Kinda like smiling and using a soft sultry voice and calling someone an asshole.
So, if I were to cloak my terms fat, old and unattractive they would be more palatable? Let me see if I can do that...
corpulent, senior and unattractive (that has to stay because the other terms were worse...eg. repugnant.).
I could say that I found my senior client's liver spots charming as I connected the dots while he took a nap to recover.
I could say that I got a workout lifting the belly of a very corpulent client to access his pee pee.
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Now, to do it in humor..is that really any different other than cloaking it in humor, but saying much the same thing, just with sprinkles on top to soften the blow? Kinda like smiling and using a soft sultry voice and calling someone an asshole.
So, if I were to cloak my terms fat, old and unattractive they would be more palatable? Let me see if I can do that...
corpulent, senior and unattractive (that has to stay because the other terms were worse...eg. repugnant.).
I could say that I found my senior client's liver spots charming as I connected the dots while he took a nap to recover.
I could say that I got a workout lifting the belly of a very corpulent client to access his pee pee.
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Typical Hooker:
Most don't have the degrees they say they do.
Most are unemployable at any decent job above entry level.
Most hate what they do or at least are not very proud of it.
Most lie about their age by 7 years plus or minus one year.
Most are heavier than their pictures.
Most will leave the trade broke.
Many hate men in general
Some are lesbians in their personal lives.
Most "orgasms" are faked.
Many cry themselves to sleep after sucking the cocks of strangers.
Do you want me to go on MS Hobbyist-Trut
Based on no hard data WHATSOEVER. I assume you're not a researcher, you'd be a fuc*ing embarrassment.
Another guy who has never seen the other side and believes the "Pretty Woman" myth. I actually like much of what H-T and other providers have to say under their aliases. I call it the way I see it. I left out the fact that the best hookers are Academy Award winning actresses.
You can scream, cry and try to discredit me but it won't change the truth. Believe what you want to believe.
I try not to eye roll at the digs regarding a hookers intelligence. I think some guys feel the hooker has to be dumb as a box of rocks and some are unemployable, however, that would be like me stating that the typical trick:
Most are not as clean as they think they are
Most don't make the money they say they do
Most hate paying for sex or not very proud of it
Most lie about their sexual prowess
Most drain college funds and effectively steal from their families
Most are woman haters who do their level best to make the sessions as unpleasant as possible just to se how far they can push the dumb hooker
Most hate themselves afterward...post purchase dissidence
Do I need to go on OTM?
These broad strokes help no-one. And what sampling of the hooker population did you use to come to your conclusions?
While some tricks embody some of what I posted, most do not. I believe that most are decent guys and the few that make it bad seem to make such an indelible impression it seems like most are jerks.
My observations go back to the MBOT over 25 years ago. It includes my own observations and plenty of Madams etc talking about the sex business.I did not even include all the drug abuse.
You have consistently posted negative things about tricks from your perspective. I simply gave you mine.
Many hookers fall into what I call the mercenary category and do just fine.
Even LR (a former madam) mentions how 70% would not get 2.0 in Hooker school.
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewMsg.asp?BoardID=12&MessageID=802890
In Her words:
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"Never in my life have I heard of so many people who simply cannot be on time... really? That is elementary at best. Forgetting condoms, not taking a bath, having condoms all over, answering phones, tv on, not screening, drugs on dates... the list goes on. Yes, some hookers or hookTARDS need to learn the ropes before they get themselves or their clients arrested or killed. But, why do you think this business attracts so many idiots? You already know the answer lol."
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In that thread I said:
"TER girls do seem to have their act together better than most. The ones who understand the game both from a business and psychological standpoint are the top 10% of hookers."
Regardless of what the percentage may be, there are some decent girls who become hookers. Many are just getting by the best they can. A few do well for themselves.
I'm sure your broad brush about certain mongers has elements of truth to it. I have no doubt there are plenty of tricks that are like you describe.
As for putting up your website here, I won't completely embarrass you. Same with your reviews.
OldTimeMonger has you pegged as well. You really don't get it.
To respond to your reply here, I'm sure that there are plenty who dislike members of their own sex here. No need to sit in anyone else's shoes to know this. Let alone do another's job in life. If you hate what you do here, and from your continued posts you certainly do, find something that is fun.
I do recall your old handle here as well. I also believe I recall the one before those rings exploded too.
A woman your age should be having some fun in her golden years. Only being able to attract the old, fat and ugly boys to see you should be screaming to you. I guess it is, but you don't hear it.
That description, to many, is a slam. Even though every word is true. Not like an calling them stupid or idiots...now that is a slam.
There is a TV show called "Scared Straight...juveniles go to jail and get a dose of what it would be like if they ended up there.
To be fair, I think there should be something like this for hookers...to be in the buyers seat and for johns to be in the sellers shoes. I think then a lot of the snark towards each other might be reduced...well here's hoping. Nothing like experiencing it to really understand the nuances and difficulties either side goes through.
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Add the website url and the reviews. You and others talk a huge game but when asked to back it up you ALL have refused. I have one idiot thinking he knows what state I am in. Hell I could be in another country for all you know.
I have had ossified old farts from here telling me they know who I am and none of them can prove it. You can put any url and unless you can actually prove it is me, you're shit out of luck. So have at it...post the reviews you think belong to me and the website. Give the board my email address attached to the site you feel is me...some poor hooker is going to get a lot of hate email but it won't be me.
Oh and plenty of 20 somethings get saggy old men so what is your point?
I do not hate what I do, it is great money for very little work
I'm confused by the contradictions. You're bothered by providers freely sharing their opinions and making non-specific criticisms of clients in general. Yet, you are in fact indirectly outing (one of) the specific providers you are referring to. You obscured the provider's handle in this screen cap. But anyone with 101 level internet search skills can in fact find this specific provider by entering some of the above text in the search box.
I am not bothered by providers sharing their opinions on anything. I use twitter to see what types of providers I may be compatible with. I've met several great providers through twitter.
Its crude generalizations of clients and men that I don't like. Just like I abhor crude generalizations of providers. 99% of providers I have seen have been excellent and reciprocate respect.
This particular person whines about clients in general then whines that nobody gives her business. Its pretty obvious her unprofessional behavior is responsible for a large portion of her lack of business. She acts like she is entitled to be in high demand.
I know exactly who you're talking about. We follow each other and I just looked back at 2 months of her Twitter and only one time did she mention needing business (and it was definitely in the context of QUALITY business), and nothing I read was client bashing or gender bashing. Again, some of her tweets are things I would not tweet, like the one referencing bill paying and favoriting her tweets, but I didn't see anything specific like you're making it out to be. It was more like I suspected, talking about the kind of clients she doesn't want (we all have standards - and these are not her current clients). Maybe she didn't word it well, but there was definitely no client or gender bashing.
And BTW, the low hanging fruit comment after I read it all on her page referred to girls that don't screen and will see anyone then those guys giving girls that do screen flack for requiring additional info. That sort of stuff happens all of the time to all of us. It made perfect sense to me when I read it...like I said, maybe you just don't understand it from the lady's perspective because you wouldn't act that way. I'm in no way defending her, just explaining it.
Clearly you two would not be a match. Just delete her if you're so offended.
Its crude generalizations of clients and men that I don't like. Just like I abhor crude generalizations of providers. 99% of providers I have seen have been excellent and reciprocate respect.
This particular person whines about clients in general then whines that nobody gives her business. Its pretty obvious her unprofessional behavior is responsible for a large portion of her lack of business. She acts like she is entitled to be in high demand.
and I try to avoid people is all aspects of my life who have that overly entitled attitude, ESPECIALLY hookers, who are in my life to reduce my stress, not add to it.
I do have to admit, I have never seen an industry where "business owners" whine so constantly and publicly about the customers who keep them in business and speaking strictly for myself, I avoid hookers like this like the plague and I have ZERO problem calling them out publicly and telling them just why they aren't getting my business.
And mostly what I see, to the extent they talk about clients at all, is some venting about time wasters and other fucktards who frankly fuck things up for the rest of us. I get that it might not come off great sometimes, but it's also great insight into how to be the not-fucktard client in her eyes (within reason) and have a spectacular appointment. Lemons to lemonade.
but do you REALLY need to listen to this kind of whiny bullshit to figure out how NOT to be a fucktard client?
IMO anyone who has to read this kind of drivel in order to act like a decent person has bigger problems in their life than being the "ideal trick"
I mean honestly, do you really believe some guy is going to read this crap and think to himself "Wow, she is talking about me, I act exactly like that and I resolve not to never do that again in the future"??? Come on, it's like telling a grown man to wash his ass, if his mother didn't teach him as a kid, do you really think some random hooker is going to get through to him?
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But I'm not talking about the whiny drivel - there's plenty of that. I was thinking more of provider tweets that can help the uninitiated understand some basics, like that calling her "baby" and telling her she "so hot" in an email is not going to bode well. A perfectly nice guy might think he's being fun and flirty and not realize it came off creepy and that's why he never heard back. Twatter won't turn an asshole into a prince, but those unaware of the existence of TER and the newbie board might get a little insight if they're paying attention.
Ha! I'll actually save my more detailed response to the original post for my twitter feed. Anyhoo, maybe if a provider uses their stage name to share their thoughts and perspectives on social media, they're fully aware of what they are doing and what the possible implications are for publicly sharing their opinions.
Dig your grave with your tongue.
Politicians do this on a nearly daily basis, why should we be any different?
...right up the with Rasha's posts.
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First of all, zero negativity allowed in my life - so I would definitely unfollow the people who got nothing nice to say !
Second, as far as I know, not that many of us are forced in this country to participate in this hobby so if it's really bad and affects your whole day, maybe it's time to leave or cut down on it? Go UTR? I don't know. Also, I think lots of people in general use social networks to get the negative stuff out, does that make sense? It's like free therapy 
so sometimes people who get it out that way can be really good at what they do!
and then, you, turning around and bitching about these providers on TER?
You won't name names? How gentlemanly. But, what's the big diff in what they're doing, and what you're doing here?
There is no point. ignore it.
I won't name any names, but some of these ladies will complain about a lack of business while also complaining about clients/men in general.
Seriously, what's the point of bitching about clients then complaining about a lack of calls?
twitter and still finding my feet. I'm not really sure what I'm doing there, but I figure it could be a good way to let people see a little about my personality, what I like, etc. I'm not good at posting, though- I usually retweet stuff. However, I recently posted a list of things we hate, and it got lots of traction. It's nice to know so many men agree with it! Lol!
I agree with others who have said to unfollow the negative people. Not enough time to waste on negativity!
Hey all providers get horrible, terrible, and just oh my god what just happened calls, but if everyday is a complaint I would have to agree with you. Forget writing about it on social media quit. I was a teacher was unhappy and quit that and started doing this. TA-DA Happy. LOL.
I've noticed that trend too, it's so childish to me. I have no desire for social media. I have 3 corgis when I want to complain I do it to them :P