LA prices definitely dropped in 2008-2009 and the providers were having trouble finding work.
stem the current runaway rate of fee inflation?
In my geographic area hobby fees have been expanding faster than Putin's new empire. I'm not a finance guy and I kind of recollect some others mentioning that this business is not responsive to supply and demand or whatever. What will work to keep prices under control? Should we band together and form a collective? 
File an antitrust complaint with the Justice Department?
The hookers represent the supply and the tricks represent the demand. The demand is not just a few guys posting on the internet. The demand is ALL the mongers in your geographic area. I believe that 95% of the time the market follows the Efficient Market Hypothesis.
The marketplace determines the price. Bitching about "hobby fees" is like bitching about housing prices. Market forces determine price and there is nothing you can do to regulate prices in an unregulated free market.
In my area (NYC) I actually see inflated reviews as the major force behind rate increases.
Hobbyists should stop inflating scores for OTC time, discounts, sexual favors, BBFS, etc.
Not sure what area you're in...but in mine, there are still a ton of girls that don't charge 1K per hour, and still provide amazing service. The reason we are able to compete against the 10-10 brigade is that we provide consistent service, are reliable, and have regular clientele.
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If you gonna' play-you gotta' pay! You could, as an example, reduce hobby days to 2 x per week vs 3 x per week, etc....or move to one with better mileage ie: A Prius vs a Lincoln, that sort of thing!
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And maybe it's just me, but my perception here on the East Coast is that prices have been skyrocketing. So what I'm really asking is do folk expect the inflation will continue until the next financial collapse? Reason I asked is that some other guys haggle but most (like me) apparently respect the do-not-haggle line in ads, so are we complicit in the inflation?
The internet has provided too many tools for hookers to effectively run their business (this is a good thing). She only has one pussy and limited hours in a day - it doesn't take that many appointments to fill her schedule, and there's no shortage of dudes who need to get laid.
But at the risk of channeling JD, there is room for negotiation. The way to approach it is to respect that she has a baseline of expenses to cover and a baseline of profit that she needs to receive in order to make the whole endeavor worth it. If you can afford multi-hour dates then you can get that discounted rate you're looking for. If you can't afford it, then start saving.
Now unless you think "Megan" was overpriced, in which case I really can't help you, why don't you just continue to see the many great women at that price point. If guys refuse to pay more than a certain price (but please without whining about it) the market by necessity will either dry up completely or the rates will come down.
I live in Dallas and I've only seen one woman who charged over $300 hr in years while in this city. I don't whine about the HDH's that travel through here, I just see no reason to patronize them. There more hot women at my preferred price point of $300 hr than I could ever see, even if I saw a different woman every single day, so why bitch about the ones who have higher rates?
Who ever suggested this business is immune to supply and demand is a moron, of course it's supply and demand. It's also a matter of perception. If everyone "believes" the rate is xxx, well that is now what the rate is. If guys decide that rate is too high, the ladies phones will stop ringing and prices will fall. If the ladies are fully booked, the pricing pressure will be upwards.
which is why I reviewed her under my handle. Your other points are food for thought, thanks.
for pussy is....that you can pay whatever you want to...it just might not be the pussy you want.
Seriously though, keep your eyes open, look into the sugarbaby thing, research new talent, drive to a different market. They are out there.
....and at some point some will bring their prices back down to a more competitive range. Others will refuse and ultimately pay the consequences. All we can do is work within our respective budgets and hope that some of the more popular ladies don't lose their minds and raise their rates to ridiculous levels.
Well said! I think it's a case of comparison gone wrong. I've heard several providers (while looking at other provider's bios) say, "I'm hotter than her and she's getting X. I'm worth XX then. They don't do any research of their market and let jealousy impact their decision making. It's kinda sad to see actually.
Because some of the hookers here babble it? Or some of the BSU's post it?
Good lord man...Jack and I have been running classes for years on how to negotiate. Our next class schedule (in your area) begins October 12th. Sign up already!!
It's not rocket science...but some of the folks here see the MSRP and phreak out LOL Come see us and you'll never ever pay MSRP again. Here's a freebie tip....ALL the hookers deal. Don't buy the crap that some can "smell it in emails" or any of that nonsense. They're not that bright in most cases. Remember where you're at...and who you're dealing with.
In my geographic area hobby fees have been expanding faster than Putin's new empire. I'm not a finance guy and I kind of recollect some others mentioning that this business is not responsive to supply and demand or whatever. What will work to keep prices under control? Should we band together and form a collective?
File an antitrust complaint with the Justice Department? analyze whether in it's absence other market forces would brake the upward trajectory. In a round about way I am asking if haggling is necessary to keep prices from getting out of hand. From the replies so far it sounds more like I have been too focussed on the forward end of the bell curve and that individual providers can become so greedy as to price themselves out of most of the market. But...I guess that a super high priced provider could get along just ducky on one client a week! But again, I don't know dick about finance.
No one has ever cited a region or even a lady who has raised her rates and then permanently and visibly reduced them. Punters will always pay more I guess and even if they don't the escorts refuse to drop the prices. What are you gonna do? I remember when I was an innocent fresh faced young man who used to party in Nogales Mexico. That place was fun, safe and cheap! Then for some reason I never knew, the prices went waaaaaaay up from where they were. And then 9/11 hit and crossing got to be a PITA and then the border region went to absolute dangerous shit and people flat out stopped going. I went back a few years later for fun and the same clubs were still there charging the same inflated prices and they were dead empty.
In 2011 there was a price drop in the cost average provider. Snice 2012 prices has rIsenberg though. As for a lady, China of Utah dropped from $250 an hour to $200 an hour and added dinner for free.
Costa Rica for an example at the same time as prices were rising at the beach, prices had gone down a good 25% in San Jose due to lack of business.
In the states I can't think of any place where the "posted price" went down, but I know that a lot of women ran an inordinate number of specials during the financially troubled days of 08.
In the states I can't think of any place where the "posted price" went down, but I know that a lot of women ran an inordinate number of specials during the financially troubled days of 08.
So I went back to stripping.... couldn't make enough escorting but there was still $$ in the strip clubs. Go figure.
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LA prices definitely dropped in 2008-2009 and the providers were having trouble finding work.
Some ladies have full time jobs, or husbands bringing in another income. There are also ladies who don't want to deal with a billion inquiries and say "No, no no no no no no I'm not available," because they're not available.
When I was 350/hour in Chicago, I couldn't handle all of the inquiries, the one hour dates, then all of that exposure to different men. Also, I noticed I got tons of requests for one hours when I had a lower (Chicago) one hour rate. So I bumped my base rate (1 hour rate) to $400.
I still got too many dates, and lots of them 1 hours, which messed me up for the extended dates. So instead of bumping myself out of the market, I bumped my minimum up to a $600 minimum, but a 90 minute appointment minimum, so it's still technically based on the median $400/hour market in Chicago.
That wiped out a huge percentage of inquiries, but it also wiped out a huge amount of non-serious inquiries.
My rates seem to work well with the amount of dates I want to bring in. But then again, I have serious life stuff to do, like post on TER all fucking day. lol. Maybe I should be sucking more dick lol!
Anyway, when you see one lady at $300, and another at $1,000 but they're generally the same, there may be a difference in the set up, as far as hotel used, what she brings to the date, (I bring some good alcoholic beverages, and for 2+ hours, cheese and sometimes fruit or chocolate.) For 3+ hours, I usually get a suite, and for overnights, I try to get a vacation rental if I'm hosting.
People at lower rates may have all of that available, but I sure didn't lol.
Also, I think guys who book 1 hours are only looking at the 1 hour rate. Or even 2. But they may not realize that the lady wants to attract a certain type of date, like dinner dates, or overnights for those who love to pay to watch a hooker eat and sleep. (Mwah).
Someone with a lower market or minimum for the shorter dates may be in a higher market for dinner dates. The rates automatically weed out a lot of guys who are attracted to the 1 hours because the ladies don't enjoy those so much.
Prices do a lot of work for us. 
If you are bringing good booze and you have anyone like me in Chicagoland, you would have to charge more than a grand if you don't want to be losing money. lol
My 3 hours can sit in the hotel room with me, as long as they're spending at least an hour drinking and eating cheese. (I hate it when they don't eat, because I get all excited about cheese and crackers lol.)
haha well if you drank more than one bottle of that stuff, I'd be pretty impressed.
Drinking a full bottle of booze and being able to perform in the bedroom is quite a different matter.
"Drunk fucking" is yet another one of those pastimes where it's only fun if both parties are at least "semi equally" drunk. It's not even fun as a man to fuck a woman who's had too much when I am sober, it must be so much worse for a woman to have to fuck a man who is drunk, unless of course she is drunk right along with him.
For some reason the posters here seem to find the old "lets get drunk and screw" distasteful at best and downright rape at worst. I am sometimes amazed I have hung around with such narrow minded people for so many years.
Anyway, when you see one lady at $300, and another at $1,000 but they're generally the same, there may be a difference in the set up, as far as hotel used, what she brings to the date, (I bring some good alcoholic beverages, and for 2+ hours, cheese and sometimes fruit or chocolate.) For 3+ hours, I usually get a suite, and for overnights, I try to get a vacation rental if I'm hosting.
Prices do a lot of work for us.
In my area the 1K ladies used the same hotels as the 300 ones. I guess I paid 700 extra for the chocolate covered strawberries.
You need to send her $ 5 right now...as a royalty of course.
My rates seem to work well with the amount of dates I want to bring in. But then again, I have serious life stuff to do, like post on TER all fucking day. lol. Maybe I should be sucking more dick lol!
Of course, if you're not there to buy it for me. What the hell, next coffee is on me since I have five bucks. Need to try the pumpkin spice anyway.
When are we going to get coffee again? I have a feeling the paparazzi will be dying to come to our little "lunch scandal" lol.
I guess nobody loves you anymore...try being straight with people and they won't see through your mask.
You have made many around these parts take notice of you...I'm sure you've heard by now.
Stick with trying to play with Bob...Courtney and all the others that you've stabbed are way out of your league.
I may not know what other drama you have planned for her, but it is nice to see the provider predictions about you being just as awful in person play out first hand.
There's so much about you out there I gotta believe your hair is catching fire from your ears burning.
Good luck...I'm sure you'll have fun explaining yourself. But a professional liar like you can talk your way out of this.
Can't you?
You are stating to sound really hateful. Stick to attacking Bob since you obviously despise his persona. This is getting to be a bit much you attacking her for who she chooses to be friends with. Please give it a rest.
Steph :-/
if these two aren't sharing PO board messages with each other...
SOMEONE IS!
and to make a mockery of it, is just as pathetic!
Should I see if Aldo will be available for pics?
Your explanation makes good economic sense. I understand your perspective. Less volume but higher quality. It is a solid business model.
I guess the issue for the providers is what if the wealthy hobbyists decide that they would rather pay to travel to another jurisdiction where the same quality of provider is less costly. For instance, a NYC executive who has control over his time might not hesitate to take a train to Philadelphia for a quality provider who is cheaper. In fact, he might feel that he has less risk of being seen if he is hobbying in another town.
This is where I see the NYC hike in fees possibly back firing for the providers. I think a wealthy experienced hobbyist will find ways around these new $1,000.00 an hour prices.
Time is worth more than money. Just trust me on this.
some of our time is worth every bit as much as the $500 hr hookers here.
I am not about to waste three or four hours of my time in an attempt to save a few hundred bucks. Scoed is absolutely correct about this.
Makes sense. And honestly, I've had guys jump a million hoops paying for transportation to my incall (almost as much as my outcall fee at the time,) just so they didn't have to pay ME. LOL. Like - ok ok. Just like there are ALWAYS WAY too many people at Walmart. Go to CVS or Walgreens, and you just float around the aisles, everything is fully stocked, everyone's relaxed and chill, no one is bumping their cart into your ankles in line.
I think it's a fantasy unless you are a word of mouth HDH by invitation only that high dollars will roll in, but then again I haven't ever been there to see that the world exists where $1,000/hour flows in every day.
It does help to not need a whole lot of money. And if a guy wants to travel to someone else, great! Especially for the hourly. With my rate structure, guys get a deal on longer dates. Especially guys I've seen for a while.
Here's something funny, when a guy is trying to haggle me down for $350 an hour, I look and see he's seeing $500/hour ladies while he's waiting for me to go down 50 bucks. So my question is, is he not paying my 400/hour just so he doesn't "have to pay" me my full rate, but then going to them instead and paying their full rate? Or are they giving some kind of deal UTR that I'm not?
Either way, there are people who like convenience and get home earlier, and others who will waste a shit ton of time and energy to get the discount. Hey, being smart with your money is great. I'm sure it's a rush, especially for the Wall Street New Yorkers, to get their deal. They love a deal, lol.
But some guys don't mind paying the little extra for the luxury of not having to chase a deal. Those guys call me. And I just wait.
Some ladies would say that I'm "slow" and have bad business sense. One weekend date, and my bills are paid for three months plus extra. An overnight, 1.5 months. So if you want to chase a deal, that's fine, and I'm happy for you. But when you want a deal on a longer date, plus convenience, you'll come to me. And that's exactly how I have it set up. So I can get the guys who like to cuddle and chit chat.
xoxox
Courtney
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I am the same way... the more he spends, the more I spend going in. I am not going to spend 3-400 a day on a suite for a 2 hour date... I have static incalls for that. I do try to provide the same spread of food and drinks regardless of package booked, though. You can get really good wine for 20 bucks, wine, cheese and chocolates. In the end 50-100 bucks is spent on just refreshments. I really wish sometimes I was one of those providers who only had to walk in a room and bend over to get applause lol. Must be nice.
...said about Dallas there are so many ladies here in the $300/$350 (and a little less) an hour range I'll never see them all. Especially if I continue occasionally seeing the $400/hr ladies.This has been true as long as I've been doing this (6 years).
"I'm like a Mississippi bullfrog sittin' on a hollow stump;
I got so many women, I don't know which way to jump."
-- Flip, Flop and Fly
You haggle, your BBBJ may turn into a CBJ, that DFK that she's famous for, turns into LFK...oh, and on the 59th minute of you date, she's out the door probably never to be seen again, not that it would matter to you but I'm just sayin. Me? I never haggle, her deal is her deal end of story. If I can't pay, I don't play...anyway, it's not my style.
her business suffered. I saw her prices go below where she started... still below her previous prce point. It's not for me to say. Either I'm willing to pick up the phone or I'm not.
take a look at all the hot, young ass priced at under 300. Now, take a look at all the over 30 crowd still charging double that and getting it. It's not just about supply and demand... it's about need. If a chick only needs to see one guy a week, she can pretty much keep upping her rate within reason to get that ONE guy. If a gal needs to see 10 a week, different story. Providers with other income rarely have to sling it for dirt cheap... just the way it is.
In my geographic area hobby fees have been expanding faster than Putin's new empire. I'm not a finance guy and I kind of recollect some others mentioning that this business is not responsive to supply and demand or whatever. What will work to keep prices under control? Should we band together and form a collective?
File an antitrust complaint with the Justice Department? It's still about supply and demand. If a lot of girls start charging more or demand 2 hour minimums the supply would exceed the demand. That happens even in niche markets.
True. My experience has been some of the 2 hour appointments are 1 hour of drinks and chatting and maybe an hour of activities. I enjoy drinks and chatting, but not at 300 an hour.
Dear Ms. Rayne:
It is probably about making a stand and saying whom you want to be and what clientele that you want to attract. I primary way to make a statement by saying I am this tier versus that tier of provider is to raise your prices gradually and then you tend to eliminate some undesirable clients although you might lose some good ones too. However, you can always grandfather them in. Finally you get to be around the grade and quality of gentleman that you would like and receive the compensation that you want so that you can do what you would really like. That is why Ms. Rayne has a brain and a plan. She is always asking how much will the market bare for my wonderful company and derriere? Then she goes the extra mile with refreshments and necessities specific for her male clientele. That is why she is at a place to where she can have consistent dates at a specific price point. While grandfathering her regulars, with whom she keeps a good book of clients. I am also sure that she would have clients coming from other colleagues who usually work UTR from time to time. Just the benefits and advantages of being a "ho in the know".
if ladies raise their rates 50% they can see 1/3 less clients and make the same money.
In my geographic area hobby fees have been expanding faster than Putin's new empire. I'm not a finance guy and I kind of recollect some others mentioning that this business is not responsive to supply and demand or whatever. What will work to keep prices under control? Should we band together and form a collective?
File an antitrust complaint with the Justice Department?