Take lots of vitamin c.
I haven't seen anyone put these together, but a rush-through "anti-trafficking" law was passed in late May, mandating that all advertisers of adult services require a state issued ID or risk liability for the crime of facilitating. Advertisers began requiring that in June.
Undercover federal officers attended an awards show in mid May to investigate the site that was recently taken down. I don't know if the site that was taken down had begun to require ID or not. If they didn't, the new law created their "crime" from whole cloth. If they did, the seizure gave them the full legal ID's of all their advertisers (escorts).
Within the past few days, the most popular escort mall for women began validating the registered name on credit cards used for their services. They had not in the past. I won't argue this point, if you find it unreliable feel free to ignore it.
I've always been very careful to stay within the bounds of the law. I pay my taxes and believe me I will be confirming their accuracy (I suggest others do so as well and if you haven't been, catch up now.). In spite of those things, my information could still be swept up into this database of "known prostitutes" that the Federal government seems determined to make. It's chilling, to say the least.
My question is this- if I decide to go UTR, which clients should I tell? Regulars only or all? When someone goes UTR, is it usual for that to accompany a name change and/or change of contact info? Could I leave up my current reviews but not allow any under a potential new name?
In the spectrum of "Stop buying the biggest flashiest ads" (which I've done) through "Put tinfoil on my phone and only remove it when the appropriate carrier pigeon gives me the correct signal." where is the right spot? A spot you've known to work for someone else.
Thanks you guys.
maybe making a connection with SWOP, or another SW advocacy org would be helpful.
still not a guy.....
Undercover federal officers attended an awards show in mid May to investigate the site that was recently taken down. I don't know if the site that was taken down had begun to require ID or not. If they didn't, the new law created their "crime" from whole cloth. If they did, the seizure gave them the full legal ID's of all their advertisers (escorts).
Within the past few days, the most popular escort mall for women began validating the registered name on credit cards used for their services. They had not in the past. I won't argue this point, if you find it unreliable feel free to ignore it.
I've always been very careful to stay within the bounds of the law. I pay my taxes and believe me I will be confirming their accuracy (I suggest others do so as well and if you haven't been, catch up now.). In spite of those things, my information could still be swept up into this database of "known prostitutes" that the Federal government seems determined to make. It's chilling, to say the least.
My question is this- if I decide to go UTR, which clients should I tell? Regulars only or all? When someone goes UTR, is it usual for that to accompany a name change and/or change of contact info? Could I leave up my current reviews but not allow any under a potential new name?
In the spectrum of "Stop buying the biggest flashiest ads" (which I've done) through "Put tinfoil on my phone and only remove it when the appropriate carrier pigeon gives me the correct signal." where is the right spot? A spot you've known to work for someone else.
Thanks you guys.
What do I say if not "you guys?" 
(Or "Yew goyz", as it becomes when I've had too much to drink lol), I've taken to saying, "all of you"
and despite my handle, I am not from the south, I was born and raised in California.
Around here we say "yins".
Even if you tell a few, you have to trust they aren't going to say something somewhere online. It is going to be hard to not leave a fingerprint of some sort somehow. Some guy will break your rule and review you or mention you in some forum etc. I think it will be hard to go completely dark and still have a viable business. If you can maintain your lifestyle with just a few loyal customers you can trust, I would do that. The problem will be getting new customers to replace them at some point.
That's not possible. I just don't want to be in a data dump.
obtain an ID? Who needs the ID, the publisher or the provider? I'm so confused! Can you provide some links?
I'm actually not sure where the safe-harbor provisions are (for sites that collect and retain ID's)
You connect with a SW advocacy org.
TER is not likely to be a good source of reliable info for this. Probably as good as the medical advice you can get here.
Were more about helping girls get basic needs taken care of. I'm open to the idea though.
The medical advise here is bogus? I have had an onion in my ear for weeks now.
they will want us tricks to validate our names with ID. LMAO. Not gonna happen. I would suggest finding a site out of country to post ads on. Regardless, they still have to prove a crime was committed.
I got into this almost three years ago, and when I first started taking out ads there, they wanted ID from me even before I became verified. Most advertising sites that i'd dealt with did, with the exception of Slixa; all these sites claimed 2257 compliance as the reasoning for collecting ID. Most of those sites are also headquartered in ths US, which is why 2257 compliance is an issue in the first place. The advertisement itself isn't an indictment, as advertising isn't a crime. Also, from what i remember during a conversation with both my rep from this escort mall as well as another provider, the escort mall has to keep your ID on file for a minimum of 18 months after your last posted ad. So even if you haven't posted an ad to that site in a while, they still have your data and don't destroy it.
I fully believe that each and every woman who advertises, point blank, is in a database of "known prostitutes". How could we not be? If we're there formally because certain businesses are compliant with the government, or if we're there informally, we're all still in that database.
I'm sure one of the reasons that the popular escort mall in question wasn't busted while RB was might have had to do with 2257 compliance. There may have been other issues at hand as well, but we'll never truly know.
If you're super concerned, check out the SWOP legal clinic in Chicago; they host it every so often, and it's pretty helpful for clarifying certain laws and other matters.
If you were to decide to go UTR, and change your name, i'd be damn sure to tell all of your existing clients. If UTR means shutting down your website and having absolutely no web presence, i'm pretty sure you couldn't leave up an old TER profile. That wouldn't be a very UTR thing to have around.
As far as cc processing is concerned, you can use vanilla visas and other cards to pay for ads on that site; if you use a regular credit or debit card, the charge is from a third party processor like it is for this site.
Can we solicit input from Nevada providers? This brings up the issue of where the cutoff is between local and federal regulations. Do Nevada advertisers now have to have 2 separate IDs? Assuming they are registered at a local level.
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Nevada providers are in the same situation as before. They're registered and they put their names on said hypothetical list intentionally.
Known at the local, state and federal levels. And by information I am talking real name, social security number, address, stage names, and everything. This includes her sexual health. They even know how much money she has made as a sex worker. They have to show ID to register. There is zero secrets from the government as to what they do for money. Now from her clients or the rest of the world she can keep her personal and professional lives separate and hiddenfrom each other, but government has her on a list of know prostitutes at every level.
I know as my wife works at a legal brothels in Nevada
You think so? True until someone hack into the government database like they did in Ashley Madison. Wait ...this is the Governemnt - serious crime! Oh well, China did and hackers were in the system for weeks before it was discovered and reported on in media 2 months ago.
That is why it is essential to spoof your IP Addresses and your hard coded address. Once you do that then it is hard to identify you when your online.
The risk of being outed on ether side is never ever zero like ever. My wife had a few times her profession and real life has crossed in ways that wasn't intended. It is a risk every person in this game faces, and the ladies more than the guys. But a massive government hack and data dump while possible is not the most likely way for data to spill to or from a lady's professional and private lives. Random meetings happen far more often and not all guys sadly know what discreet means. We had a real issue with one.
The biggest mall has always required ID, keeps everyone in check.
At the end of the day, even a regular can be harmful.
Play by the sword, risk losing by it.
I know one other long-time provider who has gone UTR. No ads. No on-line presence. I think its smart to stick to regulars until they have something else to occupy their attention.