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Her post was not off topic at all, and I guess I should not have called her naive
GaGambler 1065 reads
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It was REALLY REALLY dumb, but not off topic. and after further thought on the subject, anyone still clinging to these kind of myths regarding P4P at well past forty is no longer naïve, but is a REALLY REALLY slow learner. I wouldn't go so far as to say she's dumb for believing the dumb things she has posted, but.........

Is there a difference between a hobbyist, a client, and a trick?  I realize that, technically, they all describe the same thing:  A person who pays to be in the company of escorts (whatever that may entail).  But the more I read these boards, the more I realize that there seem to be definite "types" of customers out there that seem to fall into a few categories. If we were to stop using all of these labels indiscriminately, as a sort of catchall for anyone who has ever hired a call girl, how would you describe each group?

For me, a Hobbyist is someone who truly treats this as a hobby.  They regularly spend money on it (at least weekly or monthly), they're well versed in industry-specific terminology and initialisms, they often take pride in the sheer number of escorts that they've been with, and they're quick to offer advice to anyone who asks (and often many who don't). Many consider escorts more or less interchangeable and more like notches on a bedpost or accomplishments than like individuals. Hobbyists rarely, if ever, pay to spend non-physical time with a provider (dining out, seeing a show, etc.), though some may enjoy OTC time with a favorite.  

A Trick, on the other hand, would be someone who has virtually no respect for the women in the industry.  These are the people who simultaneously crave and despise the very women that they pay to be with. Tricks truly believe that any woman who works as an escort must lack the necessary social graces, intelligence, or moral compass to do anything else.  They are dismissive of any rules or boundaries that give escorts control over their own bodies and businesses and openly express contempt for providers who they feel think too highly of themselves (by charging more than they think the escort is worth, having rules that the trick deems unnecessary, using screening methods that the Trick feels are too intrusive, etc.).

Lastly, I feel that a Client is the kind of person who sees their interaction with escorts as something that ought to be mutually enjoyable (not just orgasm-inducing/financially rewarding).  These are the people who are usually the most respectful of an escort's time and boundaries and endeavor to make themselves at least somewhat appealing to the provider. Clients may hire escorts for multi-hour dates that extend beyond the physical, because they have a genuine interest in the provider as a person, or simply enjoy the feeling of being seen in the company of an attractive woman.  

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Anyway, it should go without saying, but this is just MY personal opinion.  I know that not everyone fits neatly into one category and there are some who defy categorization altogether lol.  But what about you?  How would you describe the differences between a Hobbyist, Trick, and Client

GaGambler1357 reads

IMO A Hooker is a woman who sells sex for a living and is honest and forthright about it.

A Provider is a woman who sells sex for a living, but feels the need to sugarcoat it a bit.

A Courtesan is a woman who sells sex for a living, but not only feels she has to sugarcoat it, but thinks if she puts herself out there with a fancy or pretentious name for what she does, she can get stupid guys to pay her more money for the exact same services as a provider or a hooker.  

For the record I don't self identify as either a Hobbyist, Trick or Client, Just call me a whoremongering pig and we'll be good.

RichardBong1281 reads

make both our points doesn't she? Does a courtesan give CBJ's and write lengthy diatribes disguised as threADS? I'd say not.

Now what do you want?  Because for the life of me I can't figure out why on Earth you keep taking time out of your day to harass me.  Do you know, of the 29 board posts you've written, TWELVE of them are either written directly to or about me?! That's nearly half of time you've spent on the General Board wasted on someone who you've never met and have no plans to see.  

If you're trying to run me off the boards, you're fighting a losing battle. I'm not going to stop writing here, no matter how much pointless, idiotic garbage you (or anyone else) want to throw my way. For every troll like you there are plenty of intelligent, funny, and thoughtful people who actually have relevant and interesting things to add to the conversation.  And as long as they're here, making me laugh and making me think, I won't be going anywhere.  

So either tell me exactly what your issue is or put me on ignore already, since you clearly can't stop yourself from interacting with me... no matter how pathetic it makes you look.

RichardBong774 reads

Why would I run you off the boards? You're the best piñata we have here of late. You sure are thin skinned as well! That's the best part!

 At least you have lots of time on your hands yet again today dontcha?

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RichardBong971 reads

Too late to modify. Did you really go back, pull up all my threads and analyze them to see which directly or indirectly involved you? You really DO have way too much time on your hands don't you?

with humility.  

Posted By: THEAvaStClaire
there are plenty of intelligent, funny, and thoughtful people who actually have relevant and interesting things to add to the conversation.
Or were you referring to mrfisher

RichardBong819 reads

Why would he? We're actually good pals. At least you have THEAvaStClaire to commiserate with right? And btw, I wasn't talking to her in the first place.

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TSxAcura959 reads

You can fuck a few holes sometimes all holes if you pay up. They are like a glorified glory hole in a way.

Posted By: TSxAcura
You can fuck a few holes sometimes all holes if you pay up. They are like a glorified glory hole in a way.
my goodness you are bitter must have lost a load early

that you don't know the difference between a hooker and a courtesan.  Courtesans are true ladies that take pride in their profession and make every effort to treat you as a very special person.

I've had the pleasure of spending time with a few ladies that I'd consider Courtesans.  They took great care in their appearance and always wore a beautiful dress and heels with just the right amount of makeup, lipstick, perfume and jewelry.  One such young lady from Montreal a few years ago would offer me wine and fruit when we met, and after our session would join me and wash me with a sponge in the shower.  BTW, the price was no higher than any others.  

Now crawl back into your trough piggy. LO

GaGambler806 reads

It's one thing if YOU call them courtesans, it's quite another if that's what they call themselves.

Just like "Class", the moment you claim you have it is the moment you prove you don't.

Women who "claim" they are "all that" rarely are. I am just fine with my hooker buds, coming from me "hooker" is a term of endearment as many of my very best friends in the whole world are hookers.

in the same league as just any woman who puts up an ad?

Posted By: GaGambler
IMO A Hooker is a woman who sells sex for a living and is honest and forthright about it.  
   
 A Provider is a woman who sells sex for a living, but feels the need to sugarcoat it a bit.  
   
 A Courtesan is a woman who sells sex for a living, but not only feels she has to sugarcoat it, but thinks if she puts herself out there with a fancy or pretentious name for what she does, she can get stupid guys to pay her more money for the exact same services as a provider or a hooker.  
   
 For the record I don't self identify as either a Hobbyist, Trick or Client, Just call me a whoremongering pig and we'll be good.

You forgot another type of client that does not fit your above description. Some single guys only do this once in awhile between girlfriends. Some married guys still love their wife but find themselves with no sex life because the wife lost interest.  

If you pay for sex you are a whore-monger so there is really not much difference in the clients.  

The hobbyist, trick or client as you describe could all have the same or different attitude towards the call girl.

Based on your criteria, I fall somewhere in between a hobbyist/client. As a hobbyist, I'm amazed at the sheer numbers. I wouldn't call it pride or conquest, but the numbers are there. I'd call it sheer enjoyment. I do love the philosophical aspects of the hobby, and enjoy these forums. I have my own rating system, as well as an all time top ten sessions in history list (there have been so many it's more like a top 25 now). Although I don't spend money off the clock on a lady, I would if I were able to do so (I sometimes bring small gifts if appropriate). As a client I enjoy the parts of a lady's life she wishes to share with me. Be that real life interests, or hobby stories. In fact, hobby stories are fun, and I'm fully aware that each lady shares her life with many gentlemen. The mutual enjoyability of an interaction is an absolute must. I understand that I'm the one paying for my pleasure, but if the lady doesn't enjoy herself too, I can't come back. If you only could have seen my session from last Saturday. The lady was enjoying herself so much, she blurted out the words 'I Love You'. Realizing her boundary pushing statement, she quickly qualified it as a hobby type of love, within a certain time frame. I understood her perfectly as I feel a respectful love for all the ladies who give me this incredible lifestyle opportunity. One can feel love here, yet not want an outside relationship. Yes, I understood the parameters of her love, but wow, what a compliment. It was wonderfully spontaneous. I might just go see her again.

the terms hobbyist vs. john/whoremonger/trick and provider vs. escort/hooker/whore.  It's slightly off topic, but I've wanted an opportunity to voice my opinion on this.

When I first started doing this work I consulted with a criminal attorney.  The bottom line is, it's not illegal to be an escort, but it's illegal to be a hooker.  This is why, if LE cannot get you to admit that you are negotiating lewd or sexual acts for money, then there can be no prostitution or solicitation charges.  They can, however, arrest providers for escorting without a license in some cities.

Before someone accuses me of not knowing what I'm talking about, let me tell you that I was arrested more than 7 times in as many different cities and several different states...many years ago before TER.  If I didn't agree to lewd or sexual acts for money in some way, then I would either get a ticket or get arrested for manifestation of prostitution, which meant, it looked like I was hooking, but it couldn't be proven.

I know it was stupid to get arrested so many times, but vice is good at what they do.  That' why these ladies who use intuition for screening are making a mistake.  And usually the charge was manifestation.

I'm assuming that this is why somewhere along the way before I ever started doing this, the terms provider and hobbyist were born.  We can call ourselves escorts, but if it's illegal to escort without a license in our city, then that might be a bad idea.

I don't have to like the silly words "providers" and "hobbyists" to appreciate that they are trying to comply with the laws.  If those are the politically correct words, I will use them.

People who use the terms "hookers, johns, whore's and whoremongers" aren't just being disrespectful.  It's not just semantics.  People who use those terms are being ignorant of what the laws are, in my opinion.  I feel like it's disrespectful, too, but that's beside the point.  I think it's wrong on a few different levels.

I realize some people are going to give me shit for this.  But I hope there are some people who will realize that there are those of us who do not like the words hookers, whores, johns, whoremongers, etc. Maybe in time more people on the boards will strive to be politically correct if not for the sake of being legally appropriate, then for the sake of not being offensive.

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Interesting tangent/look at the topic....

For my part, I will politely call you want makes you feel good, as long as you reciprocate :-)

GaGambler985 reads

You've been arrested 7 times, I've been at this for over forty years and have NEVER been arrested. Who would you guess has the better grasp over how this shit really works?

Some of us hate the word "hobbyist" too, but I am not going to even attempt to get people to stop using the term. I would suggest you do the same HOOKER HOOKER HOOKER. Did the sky just fall? Nope, I didn't think so.  

Despite what you have learned by watching reruns of Law and Order, semantics is NOT going to keep you out of jail. Screening properly and using common sense is what keep most of the hookers here from ever spending a single night in jail, much less getting arrested 7 times. News flash for you, envelopes are BULLSHIT, LE checks are BULLSHIT, and "PC Speak" is BULLSHIT.  

I think you need a few more years of taking advice before you start giving it, your naivety about this business after all these years and 7 arrests is inexcusable. Please find someone to rent you a clue.

SodaPop1042 reads

Smack My Bitch Up.

ragnar27932 reads

Perry Mason was a fictional criminal attorney many years ago.  He really wasn't an attorney IRL.  Same with other TV shows portraying how the criminal justice system works.  

I don't understand how after your first arrest you didn't seek out people who could explain to you the basics.

Whatever name you'd like to attach to yourself is irrelevant.  Your website/ads/reviews are easily introduced into evidence no matter the name you'd like to associate with them.

I can only assume your 8th arrest is just around the corner.

Due to the fact it is a third party who wrote them...I guess the disclaimer on TER that they are words of fiction is as useless as the disclaimer most tricks poke fun of on a hookers website.  

Good thing I don't have any "evidence" of sex acts laying around.

GaGambler1066 reads

It was REALLY REALLY dumb, but not off topic. and after further thought on the subject, anyone still clinging to these kind of myths regarding P4P at well past forty is no longer naïve, but is a REALLY REALLY slow learner. I wouldn't go so far as to say she's dumb for believing the dumb things she has posted, but.........

ottolbrock741 reads

I like it so much I am willing to pay for it on occasion. Heck I even have paid for it shortly after having free sex in my private life. I like to like the person I am having sex with and have a fun time. I am not sure where that puts me?  
I will say there is a difference between providers. Pay $100 a hour at a cheap motel next to a truck stop and pay $700 a hour in a nice private apt. There is a huge difference in service and trust. Quality cost more and is worth it no matter what term you use.

ValuedCustomer866 reads

I think of the ladies as "professionals" or if I am being cute "ladies of negotiable virtue".  Obviously, I can't speak of what others think.  I see elements of myself in the hobbyist category as well - but client is probably closer to it.  I expect professional behavior in the ladies I see - in turn, I act professionally as well.  I have no particular interest in seeing lots of ladies in the same way that I do not have any interest in having lots of doctors.  I find ones I like, I stick with them.  When it no longer works, I move on.  Sometimes I consult specialists.  You wouldn't see a urologist for your heart condition would you?   I likewise would not see a vanilla GFE if I was interested in FFing a submissive.   Many of the girls I see are also specialists - though there are some very good general (and versatile) practitioners in that group as well.

What I want is a really good time.  I usually end up booking extended time BCD because it is the experience as a whole that I am interested in - and an hour is just not going to do that.  I do try to make myself more appealing simply because it makes her job easier and thereby improves the experience.  While I have taken escorts out, it has been as part of a package for the evening.  I really am NOT interested in establishing a connection (***shudder***) or taking a "genuine interest in the provider as a person" - just as I am really not interested in forming a connection with my urologist.   Doesn't mean I don't "respect" them or like them - just that my IRL and their IRL is different - and needs to remain that way.

PS - whoremonger means one who sells/pimps girls...  We have gotten very sloppy on this board with that term...  I am guilty of that as well - but I have decided not use that term any more

GaGambler1020 reads

You can choose to do what ever the fuck you want, but I am a "whoremonger" and I have every intention of continuing to use the term. Ok more accurately I am a "whoremongering pig" but lets not quibble over the small stuff

Are you sure you don't want to switch to "fancy man?" 😂

Posted By: GaGambler
You can choose to do what ever the fuck you want, but I am a "whoremonger" and I have every intention of continuing to use the term. Ok more accurately I am a "whoremongering pig" but lets not quibble over the small stuff.  
   
 

.....since its more appealing. For myself....I know what I am, and if a provider (or dancer) wants to refer to me as a customer, hobbyist, trick, jane or whore-mongering pig, then I'm good with that.
 :D

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Of course, what do you say to that?  

But I just explained when talking about something specific, like an article, I automatically use the verbiage used in the article. Same with TER. I say hooker a lot, and guys don't seem to like that either. Honestly, I don't really care... but some people aren't ready for my level of comfort with what I do, so using the higher end words are what the customer is asking for, and they're the customers I want... so why not tailor verbiage to them?

Back in the day, I remember guys just loved being called hobbyists, and even introduced themselves as hobbyists. They also didn't screen the way I like to screen now, but didn't know enough then.  

I've noticed the guys I have been seeing as of late really don't like any verbiage relating themselves to something derogatory per the general "rules" of society.. or even in this realm. I've been lucky that the guys I have seen lately are what you describe as a "Client". My verbiage has changed from "Hobbyist" to "Client". When tweeting, etc. I use the word "Lover" or "My guys".  

I had someone complain about me saying "client" on twitter recently, and I was like -  just because I'm human doesn't mean the hairdresser doesn't refer to me as a client. I'm ok with that. And yeah - I got annoyed and wanted to say, "Give me a fucking break." LOL

Words are powerful. You can't be perfect, especially depending on the broad audience you're speaking to on public media vs who you're speaking to in person. But I'm not going to lie, when people want to be so damn 'politically correct' about exact words and phrases in every single context, it annoys the shit out of me lol.  

But it's their fantasy. I just bring the pussy and entertainment. :D

 
P.S. I do think revisiting the verbiage "client" helps them remember that they are paying for this, and let's not forget that. Some people feel that they're having such a wonderful time, and you're having such a wonderful time, why should it cost money? It's getting too real. But then the client risks a girl contacting him and expecting a boyfriend, convincing him to leave his marriage and support her instead. lol. I think a guy would rather be referred to as a client outside of the appointment date - so the girl isn't hoping for anything more but what happens during the date.

The only time I think this may be justifiable to complain about it is if some sort of arrangement is in place where the two enjoy each other enough to be in an arrangement. Paid, but a different set up.  

Other than that, during the date you're my lover. Outside of the date you're a client. Way better for the guy and the girl to keep the lines solid.

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GaGambler1003 reads

"You see, you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself"

If you are too PC, you are going to piss off someone like me, If you are PC enough, you are going to piss off the ubersensitive  crowd like Freya or THEAva. It's impossible to make everyone happy, so why even bother?

my wish is that I could just call everyone "John" during sex, so I have no chance of screwing up names. I like to say names during sex, but it gets way too confusing here.  

I do not like having political correctness of someone else pushed on me. I can see sometimes where it is important. When that starts happening in dates, I start to wonder how long it is going to last.  

I especially hate when I reference "hooker" when making a hooker joke, and I get the "You're more than a hooker. Don't call yourself that. It hurts me to hear that you think of yourself that way." THAT drives me absolutely nuts. The confidence boosting where no confidence boosting is needed lol.

But again - there are certain things you have to do to get results you want - you know - money and returning clients. And if changing up a few words makes a difference, sure I'll work on it.  

Can't be the guy who complains that no one will hire him because there's "nothing wrong with having tattoos all over your face, and your eyelids pierced working the front desk of an ER."

...have covered it. I'm not sure. Ricky was singing about others expecting him to stick to singing his hits even 40 years later.

As long as it requires you taking my cock out of your mouth to do so.

I call myself a hobbyist, not sure why. But I identify with any of the other names.

Call me what you will, I just want to get my world rocked with no strings attached. Whatever the word is that describes that, you may call me.

tomato, potato, potato....hmmmmmm

that all mean the same thing!

I recently had to buy a new toilet for my house. They ranged in price from $100 to $2000 and had many different features. I could call said toilet many different names.

Shitter
John
Porcelain God
Loo
Water closet
Crapper
Potty
The can
Etc, etc, etc.

None the less I still crap in it and flush it.  

If you perform sexual acts for money you are a...

Hooker
Prostitute
Whore
Escort
Call girl
Courtesan

It doesn't matter what word you use.

 To those that are so sensitive to what words are used to describe you. You should accept what you are or find another profession.

Have a wonderful Labor Day:

The fact is whether they have the same basic meaning or not, words DO have different connotations and that DOES matter sometimes.  We're talking about human beings here, not toilets.  

For example...  African American, Negro, Colored, Black, N*****

Or... Homosexual, Gay, Fairy, Queer, F*****

Are you really telling me that THOSE words are completely interchangeable in polite society?  

The only difference is that in our society it's more ore less acceptable to demean women in the sex work industry because we're still generally accepted as "less than" those of us who chose more traditional occupations. But it's not okay, and acting as if calling a provider a Hooker or a Whore is no big deal, you're playing into the misogynystic, slut-shaming narrative that is a big part of what's wrong with how society views the sex work industry.

Sexist terms are fair game. And so are the terms used in this industry. No-one gives a crap, well on here that is. IRL I do not use the terms I use here. "Here" is microcosm separate from other parts of my world. A place that is quite foreign and odd most of the time. The divisions, the back biting, the hatred is all part of this little world which is very evident in the names people address each other by. The cruder the better it seems or the more demeaning the better, sort of like trying valiantly to keep each faction in their place.

Being a trick board, I see no need to exert any influence trying to clean it up. When I shut this site down and leave I am me, so removed from my persona on here.  Trust me if I was this abrasive IRL with the men I see, well I would not be in business very long.  

Do I hate this place sometimes...sure. Do I think some of them men on here are terrible, yes. But I can leave and take much comfort in knowing I will not meet them.

In addition to your examples I wonder how a black man would feel if he saw no n****** and jew with no  k**** on a ladies website...that is if words don't matter. And lets add in no fat asses to cover that area. Yeah words do matter and all I would have to do is call all and yes I said all guys who pay for it "walking wallet", how well would one think that would go down if words don't matter. Sure some would care less but many would be offended as ould be the intent if one were to use such words.

People know when they are using words to primarily offend.  

Personally I could care less what is said on this board. It is a subterranean pit and if I choose to go down that rabbit hole and embrace it, then I deal with it and go with the flow.

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give a rat's ass what you call me... as long as you're smiling when you say it...
trick
ATM
walking wallet
male chauvinist pig
client
john
makes no difference to me because I know exactly what I am... and what I am is an old fart who is too lazy to troll bars and clubs to get my dick wet with enough disposable income to occasionally engage a professional to haul my ashes for me...  

PC is the most ridiculous thing to come out of the 20th century.. it's a means for the minority to exercise power over the majority. Can't be offending anyone now can we, or, God forbid, damage someone's frail little psyche. We've passed out way to many pseudo science degrees in psychology and sociology.

If one can call a provider or escort a whore why can't I use the word nigger or kike? Because those words are bad words but whore is not? No, if one is going PC then do it right or not at all.

nigger, kike, wop, faggot, mick, gook... but never in a mean spirited manner and not with people that I am sure are good with it... some folks just can't tell the difference so it's best not to ruffle their feathers..

if you don't like being called a hooker or whore, then I am happy to call you "hey you" or "ma'am". My current fav is a self proclaimed hooker and while I am with her, I am a self proclaimed john. In my world and with my background the term "whore" actually a term of endearment and whores were considered contributing members of local society. I grew up in towns with active and open red light districts so I probably have a slightly different perspective than east and left coast city folk.

it all depends on the venue... this venue (GDB) an best be described as the men's locker room... so I would think most folks would expect men's locker room talk.

as for me, you can refer to me as a honky round eyed gringo bellagonna redneck along with the aforementioned trick, et al if you like...

some of the terms is this missive are definitely not socially acceptable but it is my personal opinion that political correctness has been carried to extremes that are detrimental to society as a whole.

That is really my whole point. If  some words are bad and socially looked down upon, why not all derogatory words INCLUDING the sexist ones? But no, "we" cherry pick due to the crying and whining of the groups that don't like certain words.  

I can see why a black person would not like nigger but I can also see why a woman would not like whore either. Neither are used as terms of endearment or friendship (except within the community mentioned and I still don't get that one).

Here, call me whatever you want but in person if someone ever uttered to me one of the terms that is demeaning, you'd better duck because you will get the same in kind, if not worse.  I agree, this is a smelly locker room and if one wants to enter the room, one need not complain about the atmosphere.

GaGambler980 reads

and I use just about every one of those words depending of course on the environment I am in.  

I do have to agree about the word "whore", it's funny that just like with the word "nigger" where "nigga" is usually better received. "ho" is a lot easier to work into conversation without being offensive, even in a smelly locker room like ours. Come to think of it, while I use the word hooker all the time, it's rare that ever use the word whore.  

The other ironic thing about words like this is the fact that I am much more likely to use a word like the word "nigger" around my black friends than my non black friends. Notice I said "friends" not acquaintances. Like you said, using in the wrong place, to the wrong person and you better duck, but I figure any friend who feels comfortable calling me a chink isn't going to get too offended when I call him/her a nigger in return. (I dated a black girl once who used to call me "Cambodian" so I would call her a "Negress" in return, we had a very dysfunctional relationship, but it worked for us)

I am not one to get too hung up on a single word, it's the intent behind it that is important to me, and a lot of it has to do with the person using it. OTM is great example, when he uses the word hooker or whore, it's almost like he is spitting out the words in disgust, but when other people (like myself) use it, it's just another word with no disrespect intended.

I live by this one rule...I will treat you how you treat me.  

However if someone who is of a certain race or religion etc wishes to call me a derogatory sexist term, you can bet your ass I will let fly with the appropriate slur. Only fair and what they understand. Like I have always said, one does not talk to a five year the way they talk to an adult.

dakine18948 reads

Oh the burdens of PC correctiveness that you must bear, never having been personally subjected to any sort of name calling or discrimination, eh?

GaGambler841 reads

Now since I am not white I don't suffer from any symptoms of white guilt and I can't stand political correctness, and refuse to be offended over the small shit, just because a bunch of mainly white liberals tell me I am "supposed" to be offended.

It's funny how the same life experiences can effect people differently. Some people are bullied as kids and "toughen up" because of it, others are bullied and become perpetual victims.

Other people experience overt racism in their youth and use the experience to overlook lighthearted joking, while some use the racism they have experienced to condemn the words instead of the intent.

I experienced a lot of hateful bigotry and racism as a non white person living in the deep south going back to the 1970's,  Refusing to even say the word nigger out loud doesn't mean you accept black people as equals, much less allow them into your "circle" all it means is that you have given the word power over you.

We may have very different styles, but I like the way you think.  I don't know that I'll ever be able to get past my IRL distaste for those words (even when I'm in this "subterranean pit"), but I'm definitely learning that some people really do use them as cheeky shorthand whereas others are using them to offend.  

The pro-sex work feminist in me will probably never embrace that part of the culture here, but I can definitely understand where you're coming from :)

And since this is a mens locker room, they set the tone. So they are either constantly insulting us or they really do dislike the female side of the human race.  

And as for my contributions...when in Rome...as I said they set the tone.

It's the high school men's locker room. I remember us guys saying horrible things about women in high school. Then we would meet our girlfriends and act like perfect angels. Some of us do the same thing when we post here and meet the girls. As long as we say bad things it means we like you!!

I consider the men I see repeatedly friends.  One is almost a daddy figure another more like a tormentor.  I call the rest friends unless we've never met before in which case they are anonymous tormentors or play partners.  Words don't matter all that much to me, though, as much as intention and context.  Its not upsetting or shocking to me when someone uses one word over another.  If she/he's trying to shock me, though, its unimpressive and strikes me as a desperate attempt to use language when they just aren't very good at it.  If she/he's trying to hurt people, I know that person is just an asshole to ignore.

I like that term. Lol. To me, I have a hard time with the term whore. It brings to mind someone who is going through my pant pockets as she is on the ground performing oral or asks me if I want bbfs for extra. Hooker isn't bad in my mind if that's what they are. Most BP unreviewed qv providers are in this category. Nothing bad to me, just a classification based off of service type. I saw one last month that I thought was a hooker but ended up being a whore. I just need to learn to stick to the beautiful, reviewed friends I find here.

I use the term 'Buddy' to describe any woman I've had sex with outside of any traditional stultifying and soul-crushing relationship.  ;)

Also, I find it a bit vacuous to use terms like hooker, courtesan, concubine, whore or escort, as it creates the illusion that somehow there are women who offer sex in exchange for money and women who don't.

That's utter bullshit.  Virtually every woman on this planet requires something of value in exchange for sex.  Your wives and girlfriends are no different.  It may take several hundred $ in meals, theater, movies, day trips, antiquing, whatever - but the evolutionary female code always calls for an them to achieve what they calculate as a beneficial monetary exchange.

I respect my Buddies because they are honest about the Vig that must accompany the Vag....

Did it ever occur to you that you are exchanging sex for someone to prepare your meals, change your kids diapers, clean your house, accompanying you to dinner, theater, movies, day trips, camping, fishing ?  

Maybe in your world women don't like or want sex so they do these things out of the goodness of their heart ?

Hell, I even know some women that do all those things and also support their SO's who sit around watching soaps and eating bon-bons while dreaming of becoming a golf pro. Who's paying for sex there ?

It's all very confusing to me...

And again, what's the difference?  Something of value is being exchanged for sex.  Women do not generally offer sex 'out of the goodness of their heart'.  That's horribly naïve.  Especially in a culture that tells women their value derives from their sexuality.  Even the woman taking care of the slob has likely done her own math and determined that she gains enough financially to justify the misery.

Sorry you're confused.  It's really fairly simple.

I consider myself a Hobbyist/Client - I will see a woman that strikes some type of check box on my list of likes. When I see that perfect woman for me I will go out of my way to make an encounter enjoyable for both of us focusing on her pleasure as well as mine. Extremely respectful of her boundaries, time and my appearance. I am not looking for notches but experiences with great people. I like to see ATF's on a more regular basis but sadly most of them tour so that is not an option unless I am willing to travel to them. I Do not want time out of a physical encounter for me it is hours of lust and desire that buildup to a very specific purpose and I will use all of that time for that release for both of us.

At least that would be how I would classify "our side" of this business.

I would call myself a client. Great post!

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Posted By: THEAvaStClaire
Is there a difference between a hobbyist, a client, and a trick?  I realize that, technically, they all describe the same thing:  A person who pays to be in the company of escorts (whatever that may entail).  But the more I read these boards, the more I realize that there seem to be definite "types" of customers out there that seem to fall into a few categories. If we were to stop using all of these labels indiscriminately, as a sort of catchall for anyone who has ever hired a call girl, how would you describe each group?  
   
 For me, a Hobbyist is someone who truly treats this as a hobby.  They regularly spend money on it (at least weekly or monthly), they're well versed in industry-specific terminology and initialisms, they often take pride in the sheer number of escorts that they've been with, and they're quick to offer advice to anyone who asks (and often many who don't). Many consider escorts more or less interchangeable and more like notches on a bedpost or accomplishments than like individuals. Hobbyists rarely, if ever, pay to spend non-physical time with a provider (dining out, seeing a show, etc.), though some may enjoy OTC time with a favorite.    
   
 A Trick, on the other hand, would be someone who has virtually no respect for the women in the industry.  These are the people who simultaneously crave and despise the very women that they pay to be with. Tricks truly believe that any woman who works as an escort must lack the necessary social graces, intelligence, or moral compass to do anything else.  They are dismissive of any rules or boundaries that give escorts control over their own bodies and businesses and openly express contempt for providers who they feel think too highly of themselves (by charging more than they think the escort is worth, having rules that the trick deems unnecessary, using screening methods that the Trick feels are too intrusive, etc.).  
   
 Lastly, I feel that a Client is the kind of person who sees their interaction with escorts as something that ought to be mutually enjoyable (not just orgasm-inducing/financially rewarding).  These are the people who are usually the most respectful of an escort's time and boundaries and endeavor to make themselves at least somewhat appealing to the provider. Clients may hire escorts for multi-hour dates that extend beyond the physical, because they have a genuine interest in the provider as a person, or simply enjoy the feeling of being seen in the company of an attractive woman.  
   
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 Anyway, it should go without saying, but this is just MY personal opinion.  I know that not everyone fits neatly into one category and there are some who defy categorization altogether lol.  But what about you?  How would you describe the differences between a Hobbyist, Trick, and Client?  
 

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