Maybe they don't expect DATY if they only give CBJs. If her pussy is safe enough for me to DATY, then my dick is safe enough for BBBJ. I won't see those providers, but was curious about those who do and then DATY.
One of my favorite providers does cbj's but loves daty, IF the datier knows what he or she is doing eg doesn't try to bite her clit off. The cbj is because she doesn't like cim. Once she gets to know and trust you really well, so she knows you won't cim with her, she'll do bbbj.
most gals BBBJs, so more our of curiosity than anything else, I signed up for a date and sure enough it was true. She has the most amazing tongue muscles of anyone I ever met, and the rest of her performance was also A1.
This was some time ago, and the gal is now retired.
Other than her, I can't remember the last time I had a CBJ.
Most of my clients will go for DATY, even though I only offer CBJs. But I don't expect it and am not at all offended or disappointed if they don't.
You can play anyway you like... But I think you're missing the point here. I don't think any of them expect DATY, regardless of whether they offer CBJ or BBBJ.
And your logic is flawed... How does her hygiene have anything to do with your's? They are two totally independent things with absolutely no correlation.
I only hobby with ladies who BBBJCIM
Fortunately, I haven't run into any clients with less than stellar personal hygiene... But since I don't offer CIM, I don't want any surprises if I do a BBBJ.
If a lady only gives cbj then you should only give daty with dental dams.
I personally would not see a provider with the cbj rule either.
So it should work both ways for either party.
It isn't a tit-for-tat kind of thing. If a provider isn't comfortable with BBBJ, she doesn't have to do it. If a client isn't comfortable with DATY, the client doesn't have to do it. Should either party insist on a dental dam, that's their prerogative. And, of course, if a client only wants a provider who offers BBBJ, then they're free to seek them out and ignore the rest.
But what DATY has to do with BBBJ is beyond me...
I agree. They are independent of one another. Research shows (and this can be verified on San Francisco City Clinic website) that risk of STD transmission is higher with BBBJ than with DATY. I give DATY and will receive BBBJ, but realize I am taking a risk.
It's just a matter of how much risk each person wants to take on the date.
with no anal, no CIM much less BBBJNQNS, and no 'two girl action,' I wonder how someone can be successful at your rates with such a limited menu. But the fact you're here so much might explain that? Just curious.
You know, it's more than a little weird that this is your SECOND time commenting about my board presence. Do the handful of things I post in any given week really trouble you that much? You seem to have a bizarre preoccupation with how much and how often I write here. If anyone needs to find a better use of their time, it's probably the guy who takes time out of his day to irritate random providers with idiotic assessments of their success and internet usage lol.
And as far as my business is concerned, I guess that just goes to show how very little you really understand about this industry. Thing is, it's not my job to educate you. So I guess you'll just have to keep wondering!
...And stalking my posts ;
Guess I struck a nerve. You're right I'm new here so I have a lot to learn. Well kinda new. And no, I don't troll "random" providers. I guess I've done it to you twice now. And you 'perk' right up. Didn't mean to offend but I guess if the shoe fits.......................
Mind your own business.
It's no different than going into a Whole Food store and finding "organic" tomatoes at six bucks a pound. I have every right to say "WTF???!!!" before I move on and go shopping somewhere else.
If shoppers decide they want to pay six bucks a pound for tomatoes, or $400 for a CBJ, yes it is their business, but that doesn't mean I have to STFU about it. This is a discussion board after all, and stating that $400 for a CBJ seems ridiculous to many of us is very much our business.
It's up to you. LOL. I mean I would love tricks to be less fat and less unattractive but commenting on it will not change the fact that they will stay the same.
Mind you when a hooker pisses and moans over a dirty trick does she not get flack even though it is a discussion board? So she does a CBJ for a price you won't pay, clearly many do. I guess if venting is all you want to do, please stand up for the venting hookers, we all need to stick together venting on a discussion board.
Not your business if you have no intention of seeing her. It is the business of those who book
and I can't ever remember calling YOU out for it. Quite the contrary, I HAVE stood up for venting hookers, just like you.
and yes, I do have the right to point out ridiculous price/service points both to praise value and to let others know WHY they are on my must miss list. As I said about THE AvaStClaire. it's not so much the lack of a BBBJ that puts her on my MML, it's the fact the she is VERY pretentious, right down to her choice of names.
If we were all to follow the rule "Don's say anything if you don't have anything nice to say" this would be a very quiet place indeed. and we might here anything out of you for months on end. lol
When you put yourself out on a public discussion board, you make it our business. You have wisely chosen NOT to do so yourself. That's why you can run your mouth all day without fear of ruining your business. Other hookers who use their real fake name don't have that luxury.
Ok, fair enough. It wasn't my first choice either. And silly me, I simply assumed that rational adults wouldn't give it more than a passing thought.
But I'm genuinely curious what ELSE makes you think I'm pretentious? Not wanting a mouthful of a stranger's semen? Having an opinion? Refusing to sink down to your level of discourse and throw around words like "hooker" and "trick"? Standing up for myself in the face of internet bullies? Holding firm in my opinions about what I'm comfortable doing with my own body?
I hate that crap too so I guess I am in the same boat as some toolbag mentioned we possibly should quit because neither of us CIM at work...(or ever). Or we can do what we do and set boundaries that suit us. Are you making money? I sure as shit am doing it my way....carry on THE Ava!!!
And you have backed me...re M&G's as you say, you have been there and see what some of us deal with.
Okay ya got me.
Okay then I guess I owe you an apology and since this is a discussion board all is fair, everyone can be trashed.
I still like her confidence...you call it pretentiousness. See, we can discuss this as we both see the view from different windows.
I have no problem wearing the "asshole" label, you seem to get along just fine being tagged as a MHB, THEAva is just going to have to accept that many of us find her pretentious, but she is hardly the first and won't be the last and LOTS of hookers have not only survived, but have thrived with that rep. I just don't plan on sugarcoating it, nor would you expect me to.
Some hookers call deal with this kind of thing, look at the way you and I get along, or how Alex has handled things. A casual observer would expect us to be at each others throats, but we seem to be getting along just fine. but then there are other hookers like BSCTaylor or LWAM who seem to have meltdowns every time some guy refuses to kiss their ass, and I am afraid THEAva is going to join their ranks instead figuring out how to laugh at herself, or at least understand someone else's POV.
Personally I am glad she is here, she fills a void left by BSCTaylor, every board needs a piñata, and she is filling in quite nicely
Ava does not seem the meltdown type. In fact she is more the ignore type. And she can handle herself quite well here. She has a way that seems to rub some of you the wrong way but I got to hand it to her, she sticks to her guns.
I stooped to the subterranean level some guys live at in order to play in this sandbox. It is not how I am IRL. However I will respond in kind to directly how I am treated.
She seems like she might be IRL, how she is here and she may not stoop to the level that is needed to be in the "in crowd". I don't think she gives a flying fuck if she is popular on here or not...or even tolerated at the very least.
I have to admit THEAva is more fun than anyone here since BSCTaylor. I wonder if they are related, maybe she is BSCTaylor's daughter?
We really are a perverted bunch, taking such pleasure in watching yet another delusional hooker melt into a quivering pile of goo right before our very eyes. lmao.
My standards are a wee bit higher than "Has penis and wallet" ;
You take legitimate criticism and turn it into "you aren't good enough for me in the first place"
Thank you for giving me a PERFECT example of what I was talking about.
So because I don't like what I know of you and wouldn't book you as a client, I'm pretentious?
Lol. Ok, Gag. Sure. You live your truth 
I think most guys here and even a few of the ladies are getting a big laugh out of your last post.
The only reason you wouldn't book with me is that I publicly stated I find you overpriced, pretentious, and quite full of yourself. Aside from that I am sure you're a nice person. Sour grapes aside of course.
BTW, it appears that I am alone in my rather low opinion of you, but just like most hookers with delusions of adequacy, I am sure you are beating the customers off with a stick, and I am equally as sure you can't wait to tell us how wildly successful you are, and how we have no idea what we are missing by getting on your bad side. PLEASE, tell us all about it.
The old scratch her off my to do list type thing...or it's her loss. Are you criticizing her because of her rules? What are you exactly criticizing her for?
If a provider like yourself wants to play safe.
Then everything should be done that way.
It's not about a tit for tat but the same standards for both parties on the date.
But what DATY has to do with BBBJ is beyond me...
But my preference for CBJ over BBBJ isn't a matter of safety, it's a matter of comfort. I simply don't like the taste of semen and would prefer to not have it in my mouth. Simple as that lol.
I guess it's that pretty face and you not wanting to mess it up.
Just remember it's nothing wrong with spitting out the semen either.
I am COMPLETELY different in real life than with a trick.
And I am with her, the taste is gross as well as the smell.
And I am with her, the taste is gross as well as the smell.
See how easy that was. I can do all the other required crap and not do that and still do very well.
But that asinine answer from a dumb trick always makes me laugh
So you know it's time to go by just how you answered my comment.
You really sound like a bitter hooker that hates her life and job.
But that asinine answer from a dumb trick always makes me laugh.
but even I know she's all of what you say. You're just figuring it out now?
So you and GaG go way back?
When the hooker won't run with her tail between her legs.
A guy giving daty is more at risk than the lady receiving, and yet the risk is much lower than when a lady gives a fellow a BJ - in which case she's the one most at risk.
I would hope everyone here is an adult who can make their own risk-reward assessments. There is no "should" about it.
Then everything should be done that way.
It's not about a tit for tat but the same standards for both parties on the date.
But what DATY has to do with BBBJ is beyond me...
A guy giving daty is more at risk than the lady receiving, and yet the risk is much lower than when a lady gives a fellow a BJ - in which case she's the one most at risk.
I would hope everyone here is an adult who can make their own risk-reward assessments. There is no "should" about it.
Then everything should be done that way.
It's not about a tit for tat but the same standards for both parties on the date.
But what DATY has to do with BBBJ is beyond me...
But it is the tricks choice to use it.
Look up the risks of performing BBBJ NOT receiving and then look up the risks associated with PERFORMING oral on a woman.
Anyway her reason is not necessarily risk related, more taste related.
Either she does it or she doesn't the "why's" really aren't that important to me.
The fact that she comes off as VERY pretentious are probably a bigger reason to put her on my "must miss list" than the CBJ rule however.
I think Big Papasan said it first when she came on the board calling herself "The" AvaStClaire about how full of herself she seemed. I have to admit, he not only called it right, but he called it first as well.
So she has some restrictions that cause a few of you guys to blanche, then don't see her and ignore her posts.
I see her as very confident and with boundaries that can't be swayed. Not unlike some guys who hold fast to their no review policies, have to have CIM policy etc. And who have standards in the body types or age groups they see.
However you are more than entitled to your perception as am I. We can agree to disagree. I like her.
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You're right. She can do what she wants. As I said in my initial post. You may want to go back and read it? That said, she puts herself out here as some sort of all knowing authoritiy and I have a right to counter her. Tough crap if you don't like it. Her menu is laughable. That's just my opinion and I expressed it much to her dismay. Oh well.
And I still say the reason she's here constantly is obvious. I pity her current or future SO should one ever exist.
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your biz model. No CIM, no Greek, no BBBJ, FMF, and I'm guessing despite advertising to the contraty, DFK is a no go as well but you accrue $400 an hour? I don't buy it. Sorry. Good to see you love replying to each and every of my posts. Shouldn't you be out working? Its Friday night you know?
You think her menu is laughable, I don't and clearly the guys who see her don't either. And if you have no intention of seeing her why the fuck do you care what she does or does not do with her body?
I highly doubt she is dismayed, in fact I think she knows all too well the types of replies she is going to get from the tricks on here. Does not mean she can't counter. It's a discussion board.
And what about your SO....or did she bolt after finding screwing you was too gag inducing? Or has she just quit sucking your dick and is using you as a walking wallet?
and that is the one on the giving end is always at higher risk than the one who gets.
How are the 2 related again? AAgghhh ... I'm sooo confused. I don't do DATY for the provider, I do it for me because it's a huge turn on for me and I don't do it with every provider. CBJ? I try not to see those providers. I get it, it's their choice. Just as it's my choice to see the provider I want. My head hurts.
Too bad we are writing rather than speaking, because it could then say it verrrrry slowly so that even you two dumb asses could follow it. If you two need to, go back and read the OP slowly and even highlight it until you grasp the simple proposition. BTW, I have had the CBJ experience and choose not to see providers who don't offer BBBJ. Hope you guys can follow this reply.
Let's call your OP for what it is... A thinly veiled judgement of those gals who provide CBJ and the guys who see them.
My question to you is... Who are you to judge? You play the way you want and the rest of us will do the same...
Is that okay with you, your majesty?
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It was not intended to be "thinly veiled." It is about reciprocation and sharing during the encounter. If a provider thinks that her tongue is too clean to touch my bare dick, then my tongue is too clean to touch her bare pussy.
Dude, everyone has their own level of safety when it comes to what they do. No one is assuming your "dirty" or "clean" (also, do we really need to discuss how this set of valuation and moralism is damaging and unhealthy?). Each and every person who participates in P4P takes calculated risks based on a million factors that no one should be judging. This isn't about what someone thinks of YOU. It's about what that person is doing to protect themselves and make themselves comfortable. But if you want to turn it into a score-keeping game, why are you seeing a lady who only offers CBJ in the first place?
And sure, while STIs like HIV don't survive long in the mouth due to the environment of the mouth, lots of other STIs like herpes, syphilis, chlamydia, and gonorrhea do. And while condom use doesn't protect 100% from these things, it certainly does reduce risk.
The last time I checked, I was doing the paying. I choose who I see, for how long, and I provide the cash, so that makes it about me (not only about me, but almost). When a lady pays me, it is about her. I respect the right of a provider to do only CBJs and I have the right to not see them. Live and let live.
Here's a news flash for you... They don't care whether you go down on them or not... For some it's a job perk... or not, depending on your level of expertise... some guys know what to do... But I suspect most don't...
You only want to see gals who give BBBJs... I understand... Just do your research and don't see those who don't... Pretty simple...
As for the gals who only offer CBJ, that's their choice... And again, I ask who are you to judge?
This whole hobby business is about judging: who you are going to fuck, how long, how much you are willing to pay, for what services. Decisions about acceptable age, ethnicity and physical attributes of providers are all judgments that guys make. The whole review system upon which TER is based (i.e. who gets what score for appearance and performance) reflects a wide range of judgment calls made by guys from widely divergent backgrounds and demographics. The phrase YMMV is precisely about judgement, however subjective.
Some guys are in this just for the BJs. Some guys are all about DATY. Some have other specific preferences and proclivities. If people are happy with their engagements, then why give a shit?
I won't see a girl who won't BBBJ. Ok, if they're not into CIM, I'll respect that and not be a dick and try to get one over on them and pop without warning them.
I'd say I do DATY most of the time with ladies, and there are some I wished I hadn't! I've had some who didn't want that and that's ok too. DATY is not a must for me like BBBJ, I just see it as icing on the cake.
Not a quid pro quo for me, I'll just skip the visit altogether if CBJ only is on their profile, or in the reviews. Just my preference.
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and I would never intentionally book an escort that only offers cbj. I'd rather just skip to the sex if the bj will be covered. BBBJCIM feels better than almost anything else IMO. My decision to do DATY has nothing to do with the services she offers though. Other factors such as my mood, how attractive I find her, hygiene etc influence whether I daty. Although its all well and good if the she particularly enjoys it, the DATY is always for me because I enjoy doing it.
I do enjoy pleasing my partner. If I perform DATY it is to please the lady I am with and not a form of barter to get mine. When I am with a lady that has menu restrictions I have chosen her knowing those restrictions going in, so why would I hold them against her? I just don't get that line of thought.
most sources I've read. Sounds like even if CIM as long as she doesn't gargle with it.
in all honesty, no one really knows how safe oral sex is for either the recipient or the giver, since oral sex is often coupled with other types of sex that carry far greater risks concerning STI transmission.
According to Howard Brown Health Center in Chicago, receiving uncovered cunnilingus is the safest (lowest risk) sexual activity, aside from protected cunnilingus, manual sex, and masturbation, that a woman can receive. An uncovered blowjob is also the safest (lowest risk) unprotected sexual activity for man to receive. Note that it's the safest for the recipient, not the giver.
Also, according to Howard Brown, the giver of an uncovered blow job is far more likely to contract an STI than the receiver of said blow job. The CDC and other health sources strictly advise against holding cum in the mouth, and suggest either spitting it out immediately or swallowing immediately in order to further reduce risk of infection.
But, back to the first point. There are very few studies on seroconversion/infection rates due strictly to oral sex. It's hard to isolate the activity, in and of itself. It's completely logical for a gal to offer covered blowjobs and uncovered DATY; she's concerned with her safety, and a covered blow job is a much safer practice than an uncovered one. DATY is far more enjoyable uncovered, and since uncovered DATY is a low-risk activity for a provider, I personally don't think it's out of line.
'course I BBBJCIMNQNS MSOG . This is where i get my DATY. Out there the guys don't give it.
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I would think more for women who have to orgasm for multiple people multiple times per day there may be a problem if one of the guys did do the rough beard DATY session, it may be something they would want to skip.
The more you see, the more susceptible you are to a few who can ruin it for the rest by making it raw.
I know when I used to have 3 per day, I didn't want anyone touching my hoo hah. Now - well - it's not even that many in a week lol! So I don't come across that much anymore.
serene joy than to be peacefully immersed between a lady's legs. Like sitting at the bottom of a pool with scuba gear and headphones listening to Bach while the sun paints shifting patterns through the lazy waves.
ITA Courtney about the best DATY. Hobbyists I think are more into sex than the general population, and tend to be more true lovers of pussy.
The scratchy chin can hurt a little though. For me it's not when a guy has stubble, like a fullish goatee, but brand new regrowth that happens during the day. Maybe I should keep men's shaving products handy? I don't want to be rude though
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I do DATY for my own enjoyment, that enjoyment is amplified if the recipient is also enjoying it...
I won't knowingly book anyone that is CBJ only...
If it's that important, best to pick a lady where it's obvious she's going to do bbbj instead of taking a gamble. I've gambled by seeing real life guys just because they were hot. Getting all turned on, going home with him, spending the night, and omg "I should have stayed home." LOL LOL.
I already have my basic reasons covered, (green,) so if a guy doesn't go down there, it doesn't really matter. But if he does and he is decent at it and likes it, it's a nice little perk of the job lol.
And yeah, that's the best daty. If a guy doesn't want to do it, I'm not going to say "Hey, you should do this." Him reluctantly sticking his face in my vag is not going to give me an orgasm.
If a guy likes it, he'll really learn how to do it. If he doesn't, he'll just get through it. (Wow song idea hahah.) Same with a girl. If she hates giving blow jobs, it may feel good, but there's something missing. No one wants to try to get off with someone they know hates making them cum, right? So once I know a guy is doing it out of duty, any chance of an orgasm is out the window.
But I have in real life not wanted to go down on a guy anymore because he stopped going down on me either. It's just not fair. specially when they say "Oh you're an escort though." and I say "but you're a male slut. what's the difference?" lol!
I'm not knocking anyone, but just saying what's true for me.
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If DATY is an activity she prefers to skip I hope she tells me. I get we all have preferences and I also get sometimes it isn't going to happen for whatever reason. If that is the case we can move on and spend the time on activities that are better enjoyed by me if no oNE else. As I said I do it to please and if DATY isn't pleasing then it is better skipped. I want the lady to enjoy herself and an "O" isn't the only way that can happen.
I've only had a CBJ twice and don't care to have another one. However, to answer the question, I wouldn't give DATY if she didn't provide a BBBJ. If she doesn't want her lips on my privates why should I give her the pleasure? Which is a shame because I love to DATY and am good at it! 
...but I suppose if one ever does I will graciously accept it (I wont like it, but I'll accept it.).
I, in turn, would no doubt be expected to use one on her as well.
It would probably make for a pretty lousy session overall.
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So go find these ladies you refuse to see and read their reviews. Your question was answered before you asked it.