Or you can see girls that just don't care who you are, like most and have this happen like I did last night around 11 pm...
I'm traveling to DC on tour next week. Got a pre-book request. He's P411, and if he's got the benji's I should be down, right?! No, I do some digging. Turns out not only did he give me a fake name and has 14 P411Okays, I figured out why...guy was BL'ed in 2010 twice, on 2 different occasions 8 months apart, by 2 different women, for having HERPES!!! So, for shits and giggles, I contacted his 3 references. Wanna know what they said??? Two said "it would be hard to know who gave us herpes in this biz", and one said "I wasn't aware, I saw him because he had 14
P411 okays". Bahahahahaha! But I'm the asshole here with my right screening requirements. So keep seeing those girls that screen loosely, using P411 as the gospel...you won't need rule #3, because the bumps on your dick will make it impossible for you to deny...
For those that remember this post just wanted to give an update since the original is burried...I was told nothing is going to be done. So protect yourselves and remember the basics rules:
1. Burner phone.
2. Never give your real info (sorry ladies).
3. And if you're ever caught, Deny, Deny, Deny!
For those that want to see top shelf girls that regard their safety and comfort as much as they do your discretion:
1. Don't use a burner phone, because if you do, she won't see you. You can have another hobby phone that isn't a GVN.
2. Real info is required (sorry, not sorry guys). Otherwise is a license for you to misbehave and walk away. Discretion is not the same as anonymity.
3. If you get caught, deny, but you wouldn't have to deny if you were doing it right.
4. Do your research thoroughly and be wary of girls that will see any old John Doe with no identity and a burner phone. She'll do anything for cash and quite obviously has nothing to lose.
1. Burner phone.
2. Never give your real info (sorry ladies).
3. And if you're ever caught, Deny, Deny, Deny!
be wary of women insist knowing EVERYTHING about you so they can assure themselves of nothing but 10-10 reviews because they can threaten any client who catches her on a bad day, and then has the unmitigated gall to write a truthful review.
Just saying.
As rules 1-4.
I am too lazy to use a burner
I don't care if you know my real name as I am blackmail proof
I don't need to deny a thing
I have seen hundreds of great women who never needed anything more than my P 411 information, never have I had an issue with any of these women, and I have been doing this for decades, and truth be told I have had a LOT better times with women who don't make me jump through endless hoops to get a session with them.
Sorry Alex, but your "rules" might work for you, but they don't extend to all of us any more than Ragnar's words apply to all of us in the thread below this.
Don't use a burner phone? Ridiculous. I don't use one any more either, but I did. And I was never denied service because of it. I understand about girls not taking calls from blocked #s, but that's different.
Same thing with real personal info. No way am I giving it, even though all my info is public.
If P411 isn't enough, I won't see you. Funny thing is I've never, ever been denied service and I've seen some of the top women in this game.
GaG, agreed, my rules don't work for everyone, and I'm perfectly okay with that. Just sayin' that going the route of seeing someone that doesn't give a hoot who you are as the OP has suggested isn't smart either.
P411 is never going to be enough for me or a lot of other ladies. Their entire business concept is built around men not being forthcoming to get into a ladies' pants, which for me is particularly gross. You can lie about being self-employed, therefore they call, who, YOU, to verify your employment, you can lie about your age, not being overweight (some ladies have a preference for both), not taking boner pills, all of that stuff on the profile. Hell, you can even make your name Ballhair McSassyPants. That's supposed to make me feel safe and comfortable?
I have never asked for a review. I don't plan to. If we had a session and I get a shit review I can't have it removed because the session did indeed take place. Why would I then do anything to him other than not see him again? It would be one bad review in a sea of many. And for me to blackmail someone would be career suicide. Many other ladies may not see it that way, but that's the way I view it. But for me, I don't get bad reviews because I am so very careful about the friends I pick and if there is a hint of incompatibility, it's best we both move on.
I don't see my reservation form as a hoop. It takes less than 3 minutes to complete. Sometimes those three minutes are really worth it. But you wouldn't know : (
Just saying.
As rules 1-4.
I am too lazy to use a burner
I don't care if you know my real name as I am blackmail proof
I don't need to deny a thing
I have seen hundreds of great women who never needed anything more than my P 411 information, never have I had an issue with any of these women, and I have been doing this for decades, and truth be told I have had a LOT better times with women who don't make me jump through endless hoops to get a session with them.
Sorry Alex, but your "rules" might work for you, but they don't extend to all of us any more than Ragnar's words apply to all of us in the thread below this.
but there are a LOT of us who wouldn't give your screening form a second glance and who would immediately move on after seeing "your rules" I just checked out your form and I see you don't only ask for age, but an actual birthdate. I am "blackmail proof" and I would never dream of offering up that information to book with a woman, for any guy with anything to lose to do so would be sheer madness. Real name, address, work info and date of birth, all you need is a SSAN and you have all the making for a complete identity theft.
and I can say quite confidently that thousands of us see thousands of other women who in your words "don't give a hoot" without issue, so your statement about it not being "smart" carries no more weight than Ragnars words below about you and the rest of us ALL being liars.
95% of my friends are married with lots to lose. 0% are sorry they gave me what I asked for.
Identity theft? No thanks, I'll stick to hooking. I'm much better at this : ) Again, the whole career suicide thing...
It's simply for verification purposes. You wouldn't believe how many guys fill in the form with a co-worker's info. Dick as hell, right?!
Again, I'm not lacking in the work department. Plenty give it up readily and have never regretted doing so. It's what I need to feel safe and comfortable. Don't like it? Fine, we both move on.
It's simply my opinion that it's not smart to rely on P411 and okays only. If the thousands are okay with gambling (no pun intended) with their safety, more power to them. I'm just not. Can't tell you how many BL's I've seen for guys that have tons of P411 okays. No wonder he doesn't want to give his info...could it be because he's really a creep?! Many girls feel cornered to give a P411 okay to someone that isn't okay for fear of a bad review. So okays and whitelistings are what carry no weight.
Keep in mind that okays and whitelistings are subjective. What might be okay for one girl isn't okay for another. Wasn't there a mass removing of a whitelisted guy on a regional board last night for requesting BBFS in an ISO? And that would be why I cannot rely on that crap only.
and I can say quite confidently that thousands of us see thousands of other women who in your words "don't give a hoot" without issue, so your statement about it not being "smart" carries no more weight than Ragnars words below about you and the rest of us ALL being liars.
...her contact form. I never fill out contact forms but DOB would be a deal-breaker in any case.
And what's with labels like "Prelusion," "Requisite" and "Honorarium?" I actually had to look up "prelusion." What's wrong with good old "introduction?"
I don't find pretentiousness to be an attractive quality. Methinks being named Miss TER has gone to her head.
and the OP is proof that not all "well reviewed" providers here can be trusted with personal information that can be used against a client at the whim of a woman who even thinks she's been scorned.
Two sides to every story GaG...you're hearing his the loudest. Doesn't make it true...
There are simply too many cases of some BSC or vindictive hooker totally ruining a guys life, or threatening to do so over a slight as minor as an 8-8 review.
You aren't willing to risk your safety no matter how low the risk, why should the guys feel any different about their safety, even if the risk is "relatively" small?
Again, safety and discretion are not the same as anonymity.
And if I guard myself this hard, don't you think I guard my friends' info equally if not more?
She said hard, lmao : )
Lighten up, GaG...
You aren't willing to risk your safety no matter how low the risk, why should the guys feel any different about their safety, even if the risk is "relatively" small?
but no, I don't think you would guard your friends info even a tenth as hard as you guard your own.
Hey, you asked.
Okay, lets go back to bashing Ragnar together, that was more fun.
but while we are beating this dead horse. how about someone like me? I have been here under the same handle for eleven years, I used to moderate this very board and I have at least as much an investment in time into the handle GaGambler as any woman does her fake name. Why shouldn't my fake name carry just as much weight as your fake name?
and for the record I really do guard my friends info more than I guard my own. I don't care what someone does with my info, but I do care about my friends, both male and female and their need for discretion.
Hey, I don't pretend their aren't BSC women out there. I'm not saying it can't and doesn't happen, but I think some of them drive themselves BSC by taking unnecessary risks as I've listed and then getting royally screwed over. And some are just plain BSC, no ifs, ands or buts. But if they were smart, screening better, and didn't want to commit career suicide they would never attempt such nonsense like blackmail.
Fuck yes I guard my friends more than I do myself. These are the guys than enable me to have my pretentious lifestyle, lol. I want them to come back. I don't ever want to give them a reason to be sorry that they trusted me. And so far, none have been regretful, and I'll never give them a reason to be sorry.
GaG, I will admit, your situation is a one in a million. You don't care who knows, you don't have an S/O, even if you did she would likely know, you don't change usernames like your panties, but we both know most guys on here aren't even close to being in even one of the above many categories as you. Thus, my need to screen so hard, and I can't make exceptions even for the totally transparent guys like you.
Let's agree to disagree and go make Raggy cry some more ; )
Hey, you asked.
Okay, lets go back to bashing Ragnar together, that was more fun.
but while we are beating this dead horse. how about someone like me? I have been here under the same handle for eleven years, I used to moderate this very board and I have at least as much an investment in time into the handle GaGambler as any woman does her fake name. Why shouldn't my fake name carry just as much weight as your fake name?
and for the record I really do guard my friends info more than I guard my own. I don't care what someone does with my info, but I do care about my friends, both male and female and their need for discretion.
I'm nearly exactly the same boat. I already have told virtually everyone in my life what I do. I don't have a job or a wife. And, like GaG, I've been outed even though absolutely no harm has come from it. The only thing it did, ironically, was to completely inoculate me from any further damage.
And yet, even as I respect your right to require any information you want, I simply won't give you my personal information in order to see you. Call it "general principles" or sheer stubbornness. But for most guys it's sheer survival that's at stake and I don't blame them a bit.
Your situation is a bit different. And I won't call you out on it here over the sheer fact that it's distasteful to do so on a public forum. But we both know why I wouldn't see you even if you chose to give me everything I requested. Yet, you still have girls that will okay you. Do you see my point now? Again, you two are only proving my need for my stringent screening.
And yet, even as I respect your right to require any information you want, I simply won't give you my personal information in order to see you. Call it "general principles" or sheer stubbornness. But for most guys it's sheer survival that's at stake and I don't blame them a bit.
But it's not an attractive trait.
Never said it was true. I just don't care to take the risk if it is. And I'm not talking about the RT junk that we all know was fake.
But the lies go farther and deeper than that.
Well, he's gone now, we can all play nicely in the sandbox together now ; )
I am sure he won't lose anymore sleep knowing you wouldn't see him than you will knowing that neither BPS or I would ever think about booking with you. See how well some things work out?
Absolutely! We agree : )
I see you working here/her...trying to get that freebie with all this mindless rhetoric...slick dude
That GaG would do anything to be friends with the ladies who post on here.
It's what he dreams of...
He tries to impress the men by talking a big game and tries to act better than to impress the ladies.
He's going to be butthurt wondering how he can get you, a man who actually does p4p, to change your perception on him...
This is no different then him saying that bigguy30 is hiding his true feelings, GaG does the same thing. Day in and day out confrontations with ladies. And men. All to look like the cool guy. It's ridiculous. I wish people wouldn't copy and paste what he says so it would be easier to ignore. No offense, Alex.. I just can't stand his obvious bullsh!t.
I can't believe he mentioned how he used to be a moderator on this exact board! Lolzzzz.. And how his handle holds so much, what? Integrity? Please. His posts on that big in Texas board are hilarious. No one would entertain his attitude, so he just posts here. He signs in there every day.
Alex, not to mention, he would never book you because he can't afford you. His stories are the biggest catfish stories I have ever read on the Internet.
Buenos noches,
x
What is a lady going to do, tell my wife? That wouldn't be wise, kinda like kicking a bee hive bur worse, and she already knows. Tell my boss, well I already know. He isn't one in a million.
I am so glad you brought this up. I would probably be more lenient on my screening if someone such as yourself was to request an appt. However; In all of my 10 years as a provider, I have had several instances where either gentlemen have let their buddies use their handle or other gentlemen would write me seeking an appt. and claiming to be a certain gentleman with a certain handle. I actually had a guy who contacted me and used his brothers handle and phone number. At the end of our visit he shorted me tremendously on my donation. When I called him to let him know, his brother answered the phone and didn't know what the hell I was talking about. He spent 3 hours with me. I also had a guy who admitted to me that he shared his P411 handle with another guy. If you can assure me that you are indeed the "real" person with that handle, I may consider visiting with you without anything more. It's unfortunate that some do this, it ruins it for others.
Thanks,
Juliette
Hey, you asked.
Okay, lets go back to bashing Ragnar together, that was more fun.
but while we are beating this dead horse. how about someone like me? I have been here under the same handle for eleven years, I used to moderate this very board and I have at least as much an investment in time into the handle GaGambler as any woman does her fake name. Why shouldn't my fake name carry just as much weight as your fake name?
and for the record I really do guard my friends info more than I guard my own. I don't care what someone does with my info, but I do care about my friends, both male and female and their need for discretion.
Good old introduction is far too, well, just what you said it is: old. And far too common. I'm sorry you feel it's pretentious, but those that have met me know I'm anything but. My site was labeled such far before I was ever Ms. TER, BTW...in fact, I believe Arovet and I clashed pretty hard over my site labels at one time. Then he saw me. You can ask him how pretentious I am.
So you and GaG won't see me. I may have to cry myself to sleep tonight...all the while I'll really be perfectly content snoozing away knowing that I don't bed convicted criminals since I require identity. Not smart and not safe to do otherwise. Period.
And what's with labels like "Prelusion," "Requisite" and "Honorarium?" I actually had to look up "prelusion." What's wrong with good old "introduction?"
I don't find pretentiousness to be an attractive quality. Methinks being named Miss TER has gone to her head.
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I recall I generally made fun of the term "honorarium" and you jumped on me with both feet! And yep, regardless how one might feel about website terms there ain't a pretentious bone in your body...and after a quite thorough exam I believe I know what I'm taking about! 
So you and GaG won't see me. I may have to cry myself to sleep tonight...all the while I'll really be perfectly content snoozing away knowing that I don't bed convicted criminals since I require identity. Not smart and not safe to do otherwise. Period.
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That's right!!! You gave Arovet the heads up I'm not in the least pretentious ; ) My point they don't know what they're missing. They'd rather assume incorrectly that I have very unattractive qualities...
And I never felt prior to meeting you that you were and certainly didn't after our first meet. Sorry I'll miss you in Chicago later this month.
We will make up for it ; )
And I think Ragnar has a crush on you......
Isn't he swell?
...for hobbyists and providers, there are...
On the Carolinas board...I feel the same way. I only ask for name and references.I can also use P411 for screening. I probably need to take the "age" thing off but, it was default. I do not keep any information. And like you, ask my clients about my discretion.
I have been a provider for almost 10 years. I don't have 1 bad review in all of those years. I am well known and well trusted. Yet, it totally amazes me how some men still refuse to share with me their name and work information if they don't have references from other ladies. If I haven't blackmailed, threatened or harassed a gentleman thus far, why would I start now after I have worked so hard to build my excellent reputation. I agree with Alexandra when she said,
"And for me to blackmail someone would be career suicide. But for me, I don't get bad reviews because I am so very careful about the friends I pick and if there is a hint of incompatibility, it's best we both move on."
For me to all of a sudden turn into a stalker or blackmailer would be LUDICROUS. I would be cutting my own throat. Besides, I am not a vindictive person. I am as sweet as honey. And, I am very, very afraid of the Karma that would come back and bite me in my a$$.
Hugs,
Juliette
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Exactly! And a lot of ladies indeed ask for a name, but won't check to make sure that's actually his name. I find they tend to not only mind their manners more often when I know who exactly they are, but my chances of having a bad experience because I'm not seeing a BL'ed guy or a convicted felon is much lower. Everyone is completely entitled to do it their way, this is just the way I chose to do it and haven't had a problem since.
Lord no, I would never blackmail and don't understand why anyone would. That will get around, and now your entire livelihood is bust. No thanks!!!
"And for me to blackmail someone would be career suicide. But for me, I don't get bad reviews because I am so very careful about the friends I pick and if there is a hint of incompatibility, it's best we both move on."
For me to all of a sudden turn into a stalker or blackmailer would be LUDICROUS. I would be cutting my own throat. Besides, I am not a vindictive person. I am as sweet as honey. And, I am very, very afraid of the Karma that would come back and bite me in my a$$.
Hugs,
Juliette
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...even though the potential client has been around for years with a solid reputation. Why would he want to screw it up now?
Does the above sound familiar?
Frankly I see both sides. Why posters continue to argue the point is beyond me. Alexandra saying a provider who doesn't screen like you is doing it wrong is wrong. No, you didn't use those words but you made it clear by what you did say.
We all do this the way it works for us. When the OP had his say the best thing to do was let it pass. He gave advice that is given by many. It works for them. Nothing wrong with it. If you're a provider that won't accept those things that's ok. Many will. If you are a monger that wants to do it that way. Fine, just don't bitch about the ladies that won't see you.
Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said they were wrong for not doing it my way, but I don't feel it's smart putting your safety at risk for some cash. It's simply my opinion : )
Does the above sound familiar?
Frankly I see both sides. Why posters continue to argue the point is beyond me. Alexandra saying a provider who doesn't screen like you is doing it wrong is wrong. No, you didn't use those words but you made it clear by what you did say.
We all do this the way it works for us. When the OP had his say the best thing to do was let it pass. He gave advice that is given by many. It works for them. Nothing wrong with it. If you're a provider that won't accept those things that's ok. Many will. If you are a monger that wants to do it that way. Fine, just don't bitch about the ladies that won't see you.
Quote: "For those that want to see top shelf girls that regard their safety and comfort as much as they do your discretion:"
The above is simply an assumption based on your methodology.
Your statement makes it clear to me. As I stated previously you didn't say they were doing it wrong You simply made it clear that's what you thought.
You have every right to do it your way and there is nothing wrong with the way you do it. But consider the above as a valid point.
It's not a valid point when you're saying I said they did it "wrong", but read a few
posts down. You and AM can giggle and grin all you want until you have what happened to me last night...then you'd be happy you were seeing a pretentious bitch like me that screens so hard and doesn't take P411 as the fucking gospel...
The above is simply an assumption based on your methodology.
Your statement makes it clear to me. As I stated previously you didn't say they were doing it wrong You simply made it clear that's what you thought.
You have every right to do it your way and there is nothing wrong with the way you do it. But consider the above as a valid point.
You and AM can giggle and grin all you want until you have what happened to me last night...then you'd be happy you were seeing a pretentious bitch like me that screens so hard and doesn't take P411 as the fucking gospel...
My reply:
You're assuming alot about me in what you say above. Please note I made no comments at all regarding you being pretentious or a bitch. Using fucking wasn't necessary either. I didn't address you with disrespect nor did I call you names at any time.
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Yes, it was ; )
You and AM can giggle and grin all you want until you have what happened to me last night...then you'd be happy you were seeing a pretentious bitch like me that screens so hard and doesn't take P411 as the fucking gospel...
My reply:
You're assuming alot about me in what you say above. Please note I made no comments at all regarding you being pretentious or a bitch. Using fucking wasn't necessary either. I didn't address you with disrespect nor did I call you names at any time.
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...project what at others said onto me. I'm at a loss at this point. There is nothing that can be gained from discourse if you truly felt it was necessary to say what you said in the statements I quoted here. Again I never called you a pretentious nor disparaged your demeaner. I also didn't say there was anything wrong with your methodology. You've shut down any opportunity for communication. I'll not respond futher.
Thank you ; ) Kisses!
iso: hi! I'm looking for a big boobie blonde haired lady to take out to dinner on friday night!
reply: hi! i would love to go with you, is it ok that i have brown hair and only b sized boobs? also, I'm busy friday.. but saturday could work
its another one of those that i just dont get.
everyone could just do things their way and not let what others want to do or how they want to do it bother them. if its not fitting to what you like or want, then on to the next one.
xo
Or you can see girls that just don't care who you are, like most and have this happen like I did last night around 11 pm...
I'm traveling to DC on tour next week. Got a pre-book request. He's P411, and if he's got the benji's I should be down, right?! No, I do some digging. Turns out not only did he give me a fake name and has 14 P411
Okays, I figured out why...guy was BL'ed in 2010 twice, on 2 different occasions 8 months apart, by 2 different women, for having HERPES!!! So, for shits and giggles, I contacted his 3 references. Wanna know what they said??? Two said "it would be hard to know who gave us herpes in this biz", and one said "I wasn't aware, I saw him because he had 14
P411 okays". Bahahahahaha! But I'm the asshole here with my right screening requirements. So keep seeing those girls that screen loosely, using P411 as the gospel...you won't need rule #3, because the bumps on your dick will make it impossible for you to deny...
I don't think a person said to not screen in any way shape or form that makes YOU feel comfortable.
Just like no one else needs to be told to do things in any certain way.
Nor do they need any nasty PMs.
Last time I checked I was an independent. And neither you, nor anyone, knows how I screen. It's my body, my choice.
Edit: also discussing stds and drug use are questionable. Unless a doctor handed you paper work. A guy could have a bitter ex who makes ten handles and puts all of his real info out there. Maybe he has to avoid her lies. Who knows. We don't all just take anyone like you're suggesting someone who doesn't screen the way you do does.
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Hey, AM, if you want to bet it's a shitty ex and risk your safety, I mean, damn, he's got 14
P411 Okays, he's good, right?!, then by all means, you take him. I won't.
Nobody ever said screening my way was the best way.
Sure, make the choice that makes sense for you. I never incinuated otherwise. I don't think relying on P411 is smart, but again, it's simply my opinion.
Just like no one else needs to be told to do things in any certain way.
Nor do they need any nasty PMs.
Last time I checked I was an independent. And neither you, nor anyone, knows how I screen. It's my body, my choice.
Edit: also discussing stds and drug use are questionable. Unless a doctor handed you paper work. A guy could have a bitter ex who makes ten handles and puts all of his real info out there. Maybe he has to avoid her lies. Who knows. We don't all just take anyone like you're suggesting someone who doesn't screen the way you do does.
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Why did you feel compelled to start a post in this thread telling us about your screening methods? We don't care. Protecting my family is more important than seeing any one girl. I have seen plenty of top shelf girls with P411. Real info was not required.
If every girl asked me to take the risk you want me to take to see them I would stop mongering.
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I think we can all agree you should not only stop mongering, you should also stop posting.
If every girl asked me to take the risk you want me to take to see them I would stop mongering.
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when I contacted her about a visit. I too balked at her screening requirement and asked for a waiver based on my board history and P411 ok's. She held to her position and politely said so and why. I held to mine.
she has the most strict requirements that I have seen and I too have seen dozens of top providers that did not require real info. Alex has plenty of business doing it her way and good for her.
See, no harm, no foul ; )
she has the most strict requirements that I have seen and I too have seen dozens of top providers that did not require real info. Alex has plenty of business doing it her way and good for her.
Absolutely, positively, correct, and amen!
Hugs,
Juliette
1. Don't use a burner phone, because if you do, she won't see you. You can have another hobby phone that isn't a GVN.
2. Real info is required (sorry, not sorry guys). Otherwise is a license for you to misbehave and walk away. Discretion is not the same as anonymity.
3. If you get caught, deny, but you wouldn't have to deny if you were doing it right.
4. Do your research thoroughly and be wary of girls that will see any old John Doe with no identity and a burner phone. She'll do anything for cash and quite obviously has nothing to lose.
1. Burner phone.
2. Never give your real info (sorry ladies).
3. And if you're ever caught, Deny, Deny, Deny!
I couldn't agree more. I would never give my personal information. Just as the provider is worried about the client and his trustworthiness the opposite is equally true: what happens to our info? Still on their PC when they are busted or hacked? Maybe they aren't so "normal" and decide to "out" us. So...we just don't go there. There was a woman I had long been trying to see in NYC. When she became available she asked for all this info. I protested, she insisted saying that it was totally "confidential". I moved on but unhappy that I could not see her.
Can't a provider call our references or email them????
Obviously you failed to read completely through the thread when it comes to why references aren't enough...
Keep in mind that okays and whitelistings (references) are subjective. What might be okay for one girl isn't okay for another. Wasn't there a mass removing of a whitelisted guy on a regional board last night for requesting BBFS in an ISO? And that would be why I cannot rely on that crap only. I also require identity because I won't lay down with a convicted criminal. I have no reason to out you and end my gravy train.
If I screen this hard I'm making my chances of getting busted close to nill. You silly boy, assuming I keep anything on a PC...
Can't a provider call our references or email them????
It did take me less than three minutes, but only because I had reference info readily available.
But the central idea is that any provider must run their business in the way they determine for them to feel comfortable. If they do not, they are not showing themselves proper respect.
I don't mind providing information, because I understand, more than most, I think, the concept of mutual vulnerability.
Ladies who choose this occupation risk a lot more than most clients and I respect that completely.
Thanks, JD ; )
But the central idea is that any provider must run their business in the way they determine for them to feel comfortable. If they do not, they are not showing themselves proper respect.
I don't mind providing information, because I understand, more than most, I think, the concept of mutual vulnerability.
Ladies who choose this occupation risk a lot more than most clients and I respect that completely.
But facial recognition software can easily out you.
I'm with all the others here. You are pretentious, and easily identifiable to anyone who wants to do a smidgen of research.
That puts me in a much higher risk should I (or anyone in this world that needs discretion) agree to see someone like you.
Thanks to all the women here that understand discretion, blur their faces, and carry a very low profile.
I'm sure your BF will be thrilled if/when you get slammed and he gets hit with pimping/RICO charges. I guess it'll matter more when he's legally responsible for your debts. I am sure that you and he understand about asset forfeiture.
Out me to who exactly since everyone I know, knows what I do? Escorting is legal.
You, someone I've never met assert I'm pretentious, yet two gentlemen I have seen have said loud and clear on this thread I'm not. You lose, Raggy.
Go back to your angry, bitter thread below.
I'm with all the others here. You are pretentious, and easily identifiable to anyone who wants to do a smidgen of research.
That puts me in a much higher risk should I (or anyone in this world that needs discretion) agree to see someone like you.
Thanks to all the women here that understand discretion, blur their faces, and carry a very low profile.
I'm sure your BF will be thrilled if/when you get slammed and he gets hit with pimping/RICO charges. I guess it'll matter more when he's legally responsible for your debts. I am sure that you and he understand about asset forfeiture.
I'm sure that no one would ever be able to match up your public pics to your hotel rendezvous.
Thanks but no thanks.
Does your smart and successful BF/SO know about asset forfeiture? I'm sure he has no idea.
Because everytime I'm in a hotel I'm escorting?! Wow, it's worse than I originally had thought for you : (
I'll have him give you a jingle. You seem to know far more than both he or I could ever be able to learn in this lifetime.
Thanks but no thanks.
Does your smart and successful BF/SO know about asset forfeiture? I'm sure he has no idea.
If that is your concern, then I am sure the companion you are wanting to visit with will be happy to accept your information by text or you can call her to share the information with her. I can't speak for all ladies but I am sure some will agree to do this. I know I certainly do. I don't care how I get the information as long as I obtain it somehow. Once I receive your information, it is automatically deleted from my computer or I throw away the paper in which it is written on.
Hugs,
Juliette
I require this ONLY in the town I am from ( I do not need to run into my brother or his friends, a former professor, work associate, etc. or someone who might know my family) and for newbies. When I travel, I don't much give two shits about it. Real info and ID check are going to keep me from being stuffed in a suitcase, how exactly? If I am dead, I can't exactly use the shit against him and if his info is stored on my puter, well shame on me.
If you're trying to avoid them, you should have attended a different school! Lolzzzzz
I'm not a "top provider." I know the top providers in many cities don't require real names. I don't either. I'm on the same page with this. If someone comes in my room with a gun I'll scream bloody murder and his face will be on camera. I'm more worried about some guy leaving his internet open and his wife finding it and her finding me. We all have comfort zones. Live and let live.
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While there are a few exceptions such as GaG who is blackmail-proof the overwhelming majority of us DO have something to lose.
Given the current climate of extreme hacking and identity theft it is UTTERLY INSANE to divulge your personal private infos to ahem sorry to say it... prostitutes!
We're NOT exactly talking Bank of America, Amazon, Macy's... institutions that are well regulated and required by laws to safeguard and be responsible for their customers' infos.
And even if assuming that the providers are 100% honest and trustworthy there is no guarantee they have the resources and expertise to safeguard their customers' infos either.
For those who wants to hobby responsibly and smartly the OP advocacy is RIGHT ON:
1. Burner phone
2. Never give real infos
3. Deny, deny, deny
PS: It goes without saying that a burner phone should be paid for by cash only and so should the monthly bills
Oh, wait...
Given the current climate of extreme hacking and identity theft it is UTTERLY INSANE to divulge your personal private infos to ahem sorry to say it... prostitutes!
We're NOT exactly talking Bank of America, Amazon, Macy's... institutions that are well regulated and required by laws to safeguard and be responsible for their customers' infos.
And even if assuming that the providers are 100% honest and trustworthy there is no guarantee they have the resources and expertise to safeguard their customers' infos either.
For those who wants to hobby responsibly and smartly the OP advocacy is RIGHT ON:
1. Burner phone
2. Never give real infos
3. Deny, deny, deny
PS: It goes without saying that a burner phone should be paid for by cash only and so should the monthly bills.
If you're that worried, then maybe you shouldn't see, ahem...prostitutes!
Given the current climate of extreme hacking and identity theft it is UTTERLY INSANE to divulge your personal private infos to ahem sorry to say it... prostitutes!
We're NOT exactly talking Bank of America, Amazon, Macy's... institutions that are well regulated and required by laws to safeguard and be responsible for their customers' infos.
And even if assuming that the providers are 100% honest and trustworthy there is no guarantee they have the resources and expertise to safeguard their customers' infos either.
For those who wants to hobby responsibly and smartly the OP advocacy is RIGHT ON:
1. Burner phone
2. Never give real infos
3. Deny, deny, deny
PS: It goes without saying that a burner phone should be paid for by cash only and so should the monthly bills.
I definitely think it's a decision influenced by your own situation. I'm not married and I don't think rumors would significantly affect my career. So my desire to see the girl and review history directly affects how much info I am willing to divulge. I am willing to give name, location and age for well reviewed ladies because I see it as only a small risk. However, I will say that when the girl's website says 'your information is never stored', that's NOT always true. I know this because I did see a well reviewed that claims that on her website. But whenever she replies to an email I sent, my real name is in the from part of the original message. My real name not attached to my hobby account in any way, so it has to be stored in her address book that way. I personally don't care all that much, but I could surely why people in some professions would care.
I will say that I would never give my DOB, mostly because I can't imagine why that info would be needed. Name, city and references is adequate to figure out who you're seeing IMO. I don't see the problem with a burner phone either, and would definitely suggest it for married mongers and mongers with a lot to lose. I have a burner phone myself, mostly because it makes deniability a little easier if needed. A personal number is a unique identifier, more unique than a name. If someone searches my number and a bunch of crap lies from a bsc escort shows up, its makes it difficult to say that I know absolutely nothing about it.
A well-known provider in FL emailed me a referral for a guy she claimed was a regular, generous and sweet. Gave me his phone number and first name, and explained that he doesn't do email- only phone and text. I instantly trusted her judgment based on her board presence, and phoned him to chat. Some things he said set off a few red flags, so I did some research. This is what I found:
"Gave out his neighbor's address as the place they'd be going to but took her back to a different place. Raped and abused her for eight hours. Forced her into unprotected sex acts, whipped her with a phone/computer cord. Did a fake wire transfer for 8K, stuck her with a $200 round trip cab fare."
So damn straight I will know EXACTLY with whom I am meeting. References are simply not enough. Needless to say, I politely declined his offer. And I'll take every reference with a grain of salt
Why is everyone assuming that the OP is telling the truth? He could be telling the gospel truth, or he could be engaging in a fear mongering tactic to pressure some chicks to lower their screening standards. Maybe he's beating off while watching how long some of these branch arguments are getting. Probably the latter.
Because we both know, Tobi, if you have a P411 account and some money, us ahem, prostitutes, are not supposed to say no! Otherwise we're pretentious bitches 😂...
Tru dat, I mean obviously our only goal is blackmail and other douchebaggery. I also hear we smell like cabbage and have no souls.
Well, I was once accused of having a satanic vaginal canal, and his sins with me were being projected onto his kids, Jesus Tits with Applesauce Christ!
but I'm out on the cabbage business
Please don't tell me I'll go blind. rofl.
F*ck, not another one of those :-
I gotta go post elsewhere.....
Hobbying with a burner phone, not giving personal info to anyone but some one like P411, seeing only well reviewed ladies - clearly the safest way to go for guys. May miss out on a few lovely ladies if minimizing risk is an extremely high priority (like it was for me) but so be it. It's all about playing percentages. Give out info once, or potentially hundreds of times. Was a no-brainer for me - I wouldn't have gotten into this hobby if not for P411 and the ability to minimize risk. And I met so many amazing, beautiful, smart, and yes, high quality ladies, a great experience.
On the otherhand, I totally respect all ladies and their right to screen as they wish. I would never try to convince a lady to see me if I wasn't willing to provide what she wanted. And obviously, there are plenty of guys who are fine with providing personal info, so I assume these ladies do fine. Everone should feel free to play/provide to their comfort level.
Not sure why some like to personalize this debate. If I choose not to provide personal info to a lady, it has nothing to do with her individually. Odds are overwhelming that she wouldn't misuse my info. But for me, it was about minimizing exposure. Like how the guy who only drives 1 day a year is a lot less likely to get in an accident than the guy who drives every day and puts 100,000 miles a year on his car. It's not that he's afraid of any particular driver and that they might crash into him, but the less he's on the road, the less he is at risk overall.
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