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Strippers/Escorts : They are very different
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Posted By: lessdoitagain
I was wondering if strippers eventually become escorts and If escorts become strippers?  Is there a pecking order in this line of work?
I've known quite a few of each and noticed many differences.  Every individual has her own mindset and criteria and LIMITS.  Each of the following is for SOME, not all, of each group:

Strippers will strut their stuff in public and be known to 1000s of customers as a dancer.  But you can't put a finger on her unless it's to slip some cash into her g-string.  They are fine showing their face and everything else that way but zero contact.

Strippers do not want to do nude modeling or porn modeling.  It's fine to be seen up close by 1000s, but they don't want the permanence of photos being seen by 1000 x 1000s.  

Escorts blur their face pics, have private lives they want to keep separate.  They enjoy the one on ones and intimacy, sexual and/or intellectual, but do not want to be out there in front of 100s or 1000s.  

Stripping is legal and some shy away from breaking the law.

I've heard strippers say, "I would never do THAT!" in reference to p4p.  (Usually dissing another dancer: "She goes out with customers and gives up sex for money. I would never do THAT!")

You can probably come up with a nice table with columns of
stripper | nude model | escort | porn star |  

and rows of different stuff:
public attention: loves | loves | hates | loves
sex: hates | hates | loves | loves
personal interaction: medium | hates | loves | loves
family: variable
physical self-esteem: high | high | variable | variable
greediness: high | medium | medium | low

(greediness: a stripper has a fixed shift and has to cram in as many dances and tips as she possibly can to come out ahead.  If you're not buying a dance it's 'sayonara, cheapskate' and off to the next guy.  Models, escorts, porn stars have more flexibility in their schedules and can afford to APPEAR less greedy.)

I think this would make an interesting PhD thesis in psychology. I'll volunteer to be a research assistant as long as my expenses are covered.

BACK TO THE OPs Q: No. In general, strippers don't become escorts and escorts don't become strippers.  There is, I think, a psychology of "pecking order" as above.  Strippers would never sink so low to do THAT.  Escorts would never sink so low to flaunt themselves in public.  And so on, around and around again

I was wondering if strippers eventually become escorts and If escorts become strippers?  Is there a pecking order in this line of work?

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Dude, you are missing the point!  But you know it all.  Why don't you sit back and listen to what the professionals have to say.  Maybe you will learn something.  I know you probably find it hard to believe that you could learn something from a stripper or escort.

Posted By: lessdoitagain
I was wondering if strippers eventually become escorts and If escorts become strippers?  Is there a pecking order in this line of work?

-- Modified on 8/13/2015 2:11:56 PM

When I did business with the infamous brothers at the MBOT I had a chance to see the little pecking order the girls had. The Porn Stars were "features" in those days. Naturally they put themselves above strippers/escorts. The strippers who just did lap dances put themselves above the strippers who gave blow jobs and the girls who fucked were below the girls who just gave blow jobs.

If the tricks could have been upstairs and heard how the girls talked about them, they would be shocked. The best customers were called ATMs. I could go into a long war and peace sized post about it.  

My favorite question to ask was if the orgasms were real especially in porn. My favorite answer was: "We have real orgasms as often as a cop's car gets a parking ticket!!"

Bob.Sugar1199 reads

I read these boards...and the reviews.

The johns are able to bring complete strangers to orgasm almost every session.  Some discuss that gal has multiples as well.

And then there are those pint sized hookers...who shall remain nameless  LOL

I was worried that you were put back into TO for your last tirade.  

How's Ohio doing?

Posted By: Oldtimemonger
 
   
Posted By: lessdoitagain
I was wondering if strippers eventually become escorts and If escorts become strippers?  Is there a pecking order in this line of work?  
   
 -- Modified on 8/13/2015 2:11:56 PM
   
 When I did business with the infamous brothers at the MBOT I had a chance to see the little pecking order the girls had. The Porn Stars were "features" in those days. Naturally they put themselves above strippers/escorts. The strippers who just did lap dances put themselves above the strippers who gave blow jobs and the girls who fucked were below the girls who just gave blow jobs.  
   
 If the tricks could have been upstairs and heard how the girls talked about them, they would be shocked. The best customers were called ATMs. I could go into a long war and peace sized post about it.  
   
 My favorite question to ask was if the orgasms were real especially in porn. My favorite answer was: "We have real orgasms as often as a cop's car gets a parking ticket!!"

I might ask how things are doing for you in Ohio since I've never been there. My last "tirade" was funny as hell!

Bob.Sugar897 reads

You claimed to be a refugee from that west coast board...and didn't pay any attention to TER till it fell apart.

But here you are seemingly infatuated with LR from a number of years ago.

Why is that?

BTW...did you file that RAP on L.Guapo and LR a few threads below claiming they're the same person?  You should...then you'd stop this nonsense and try a different stalking maneuver.  L.Guapo has asked me to ask you to stop stalking him...and to do it now  LOL

LR can handle her own affairs however...and she has dealt with you in the past.  

Posted By: Oldtimemonger
I might ask how things are doing for you in Ohio since I've never been there. My last "tirade" was funny as hell!

Posted By: Bob.Sugar
You claimed to be a refugee from that west coast board...and didn't pay any attention to TER till it fell apart.  
   
 But here you are seemingly infatuated with LR from a number of years ago.  

   
 LR can handle her own affairs however...and she has dealt with you in the past.    
   

Posted By: Oldtimemonger
I might ask how things are doing for you in Ohio since I've never been there. My last "tirade" was funny as hell!
Not infatuated at all. I did not become a poster here until 2014. I've been here since 2008. You are wrong that I paid no attention. I read the reviews but never posted back then. If you check you will see that my first years worth of posts were in the San Francisco section. Just hit search and you will see.

I read her posts years ago but did not comment on anything until recently.

Bob.Sugar958 reads

And yet you have this fascination with a woman that was all over the boards well before then.  And somehow you refrained from targeting her then...but NOW she's bothering you.

Yep...bothering you enough to have started an entire OP about her (too bad it got deleted or I'd attach it to refresh your memory...or maybe you did download it and whack off to it?)  LOL

No..you're not a stalker  ;)

Posted By: Bob.Sugar
And yet you have this fascination with a woman that was all over the boards well before then.  And somehow you refrained from targeting her then...but NOW she's bothering you.  
   
 Yep...bothering you enough to have started an entire OP about her (too bad it got deleted or I'd attach it to refresh your memory...or maybe you did download it and whack off to it?)  LOL  
   
 No..you're not a stalker  ;)
I did not have TIME to participate back then. That's all.

Dude, the only time I would "stalk" somebody is if they owed me money or it was a potential SB. My lawyer and I are into the SD/SB thing. We have a PI to check potential SBs out. I leave so-called stalking to the professionals. Just because Lguapo/LR were an annoyance does not mean I want to mess with their real lives. Jesus.

Lighten up Dude. :)

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I thought I was GaG!

Some of the FBSM girls who only do handjobs put themselves above hookers. A street girl would be below an escort and a courtesan would be above them all. :)

Posted By: lessdoitagain
I was wondering if strippers eventually become escorts and If escorts become strippers?  Is there a pecking order in this line of work?
I've known quite a few of each and noticed many differences.  Every individual has her own mindset and criteria and LIMITS.  Each of the following is for SOME, not all, of each group:

Strippers will strut their stuff in public and be known to 1000s of customers as a dancer.  But you can't put a finger on her unless it's to slip some cash into her g-string.  They are fine showing their face and everything else that way but zero contact.

Strippers do not want to do nude modeling or porn modeling.  It's fine to be seen up close by 1000s, but they don't want the permanence of photos being seen by 1000 x 1000s.  

Escorts blur their face pics, have private lives they want to keep separate.  They enjoy the one on ones and intimacy, sexual and/or intellectual, but do not want to be out there in front of 100s or 1000s.  

Stripping is legal and some shy away from breaking the law.

I've heard strippers say, "I would never do THAT!" in reference to p4p.  (Usually dissing another dancer: "She goes out with customers and gives up sex for money. I would never do THAT!")

You can probably come up with a nice table with columns of
stripper | nude model | escort | porn star |  

and rows of different stuff:
public attention: loves | loves | hates | loves
sex: hates | hates | loves | loves
personal interaction: medium | hates | loves | loves
family: variable
physical self-esteem: high | high | variable | variable
greediness: high | medium | medium | low

(greediness: a stripper has a fixed shift and has to cram in as many dances and tips as she possibly can to come out ahead.  If you're not buying a dance it's 'sayonara, cheapskate' and off to the next guy.  Models, escorts, porn stars have more flexibility in their schedules and can afford to APPEAR less greedy.)

I think this would make an interesting PhD thesis in psychology. I'll volunteer to be a research assistant as long as my expenses are covered.

BACK TO THE OPs Q: No. In general, strippers don't become escorts and escorts don't become strippers.  There is, I think, a psychology of "pecking order" as above.  Strippers would never sink so low to do THAT.  Escorts would never sink so low to flaunt themselves in public.  And so on, around and around again

Posted By: impposter
Posted By: lessdoitagain
I was wondering if strippers eventually become escorts and If escorts become strippers?  Is there a pecking order in this line of work?
 
   
 BACK TO THE OPs Q: No. In general, strippers don't become escorts and escorts don't become strippers.  There is, I think, a psychology of "pecking order" as above.  Strippers would never sink so low to do THAT.  Escorts would never sink so low to flaunt themselves in public.  And so on, around and around again.  
 
I guess things are different where you are at. It's sure not my experience. Virtually every stripper that was around any length of time gave "extras." Giving blowjobs and fucking in a theatre is hooking. I see no difference.

Posted By: Oldtimemonger
I guess things are different where you are at. It's sure not my experience. Virtually every stripper that was around any length of time gave "extras." Giving blowjobs and fucking in a theatre is hooking. I see no difference.
And up above, you said, "When I did business with the infamous brothers at the MBOT."  I am guessing that that's the Mitchell Brothers O'Farrell Theatre.  And I'm guessing it was a while ago.  MBOT was rather unique.  There were some similar places in NYC, but not as famous outside the city.  

I haven't been doing the Northeast Corridor strip club scene since around 2005 or 6 but that's how recent my info is.  I was friendly with lots of dancers (club only) but they still might have been BSing me.  I should add that the Harmony Theater in NYC was ultra-close contact, if you know what I mean, but I don't know of any girls who hooked on the side.  One girl used the offer to try to hook me into more lap dances; I saw her several times for many lap dances, and when I reminded her of her offer, she said that she doesn't do THAT!

I think we both need to update our info but I'm still leaning towards strippers / models / escorts / porn stars being birds of a different feather, moreso today than in the Oldtime-

I use to escort years ago and then I started stripping. I recently started back escorting but I know at least here in MI everybody gets down in the club

JackDunphy1025 reads

...would be odd indeed.  

Sure, a "stripper with benefits/extras" may be more of the thinking in some guys mind, but really WTF is the diff?

It may not go down in a hotel room, but its still sex for money.

...went back to stripping.  The attitudes mentioned by a previous poster exist and I have heard a stripper say I'd never do That.

There is no sex in the champagne room...according to Chris Rock - lol.
Strippers offer take out...lol

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...intercourse and/or bbbj in the VIP room often. I've had take out several times too. One of the ladies I had take out with became an escort.

but I don't recall ever hearing of an escort who went back to being just a stripper - though a few worked both jobs for a time.

Stripping is such strenuous work, that I think it has to be mostly for the younger crowd.

(Though then again one gal I know started up stripping again she was about 40.)

Bob.Sugar826 reads

Strippers need to be young and hot.  That is if they expect to make any money.

If guys want to see MILFs all they need do is go to the grocery store.  No shortage of 40+ MILFs strolling around there.  

That's why the guys go to strip clubs...they don't want to see that shit.

Posted By: mrfisher
but I don't recall ever hearing of an escort who went back to being just a stripper - though a few worked both jobs for a time.  
   
 Stripping is such strenuous work, that I think it has to be mostly for the younger crowd.  
   
 (Though then again one gal I know started up stripping again she was about 40.)

Bob, I think you are in deep shit.  The cougars are coming your way.  You might want to duck after such a comment.Lol

Bob.Sugar1111 reads

On a young one on the MD board yesterday.

I guess it has to be exhausting for them to keep up with those 20 something hookers.

Posted By: lessdoitagain
Bob, I think you are in deep shit.  The cougars are coming your way.  You might want to duck after such a comment.Lol

Bob.Sugar835 reads

Actually I missed the live action...but seems like the "old hags" had it well under control  LOL

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Posted By: Bob.Sugar
On a young one on the MD board yesterday.  
   
 I guess it has to be exhausting for them to keep up with those 20 something hookers.  
 
that's funny thread

With age, experience increase, but looks decrease.

I'd say that I have invested wisely

But my gut feeling is that most become strippers first...but what do I know, I'm just a John/trick.

....there are plenty of UHM strippers that escort on the side, and there are some escorts that started as dancers and migrated into escorting. Some escorts also still dance. It's a great opportunity for many of these ladies to dabble in different areas and see what suits them best.

Her name was Noelle.  When I was college student back in the early 80s, she was the hottest of the hot, but I was disqualified due to my height (5-4) and shyness.  Five years later, after my engagement broke up, this changed.  It didn't last, but it was fun a couple of nights...especially after she started dancing at my default, favorite bar just a few minutes away.  

There were others...the dancer who was very forward with me that broke up with her BF.  After seeing her live in her car in the back parking lot for a couple of nights, I offered her to sleep at my place.  She reciprocated by sleeping in my bed, with me.  Incredible week...then she got back together with the douche bag, and got fired by the bar owner. Oh, well...  

Then there was that Jewish chick that I knew provided at the same bar a few months later.  One Monday night, the bar was deserted, and her ride didn't show.  I gave her ride to her place in Newark...first of two nights.

Last was Ada, a Finnish blond who was published in a couple of magazines, and the hottest lady I ever slept with.  Platinum blond both up and down below...and my 41st BD present since her wife was out of town.  No condoms that night...  Fuck!  :)  Only once, but hey!

Then I discovered the hobby, and stopped going to the shakers.  That was back in 2004, and it's been a great ride ever since.  And there's no end in sight...  :).  I won't mention the ladies I slept with...read my reviews for a preview.    

Hope your experiences in this game are going as well as mine.  And, yes, I know I am speaking to a woman...all the best

But those girls were just putting out, not making you p4p, right?  

I would sometimes drive some of the girls home from their shifts at a now defunct Boston club.  I knew their real names, where they went to school, sometimes helped them with their homework and stuff like that.  But there was never any hanky panky between us.  One sometimes invited me up to hang out with her and her roommates but I declined.  

Nothing like that ever happened for me when clubbing in NYC, mostly at FD.  I was often legally parked on the street, close by.  After closing (4AM), the bouncers escorted the girls directly into the waiting cabs - no diversions.  Even though I knew the neighborhood where the Brazilian sisters lived, and I occasionally offered to give them a ride, I never got to drive them home.  (They probably had their own car in the garage next door.)  And the only thing I ever got from all of these places was a thinner wallet, a big tease and blue balls.  

(Correction: I had lots of fun chats with many of the girls and I remember them fondly, even if I didn't "get any.")

I still say that stripper / model / escort / porn star are breeds apart

GaGambler1034 reads

They wait out front for their fave to come "meet them after work" while the bouncers are escorting them out the back to meet their "real" friends and BF's  I've dated many a stripper and I used to feel sorry for the poor schmucks waiting out front until 4 AM for a woman who already left at 2.  

but there is a lot of action to be had at strip clubs, both "hooking up" and "p4p" I have done both, the thing about strip club action is that you have to have a certain amount of game to ever actually get laid. A guy (or girl, sorry lopaw) who just throws money around is most likely going to leave with " a thinner wallet, a big tease, and blue balls" It's not like calling up a TER reviewed girl knowing exactly what you are going to pay and what you are going to get for it.

I've played the strip club game alot longer than I've been in this hobby world, so like GaG I have had more than my share of OTC (outside the club) hookups with many,many strippers. Whenever I take a large break here from seeing a provider usually means that I'm doing some P4P (sometimes free) with a stripper. I learned long ago when I would leave a club with a "purple pelvis" that I wasnt bringing my A- game to the clubs....so I made a major adjustment in my approach and became much more successful in getting that OTC play.

IMHO there is a very very fine line between stripping & escorting, especially nowadays in the clubs.

GaGambler813 reads

If you want to see some blurred lines, try going to strip clubs in South America. Some of the VIP rooms have King sized beds and Jacuzzis in them.

I was dating a former porn star at the time and was surprised at the "groupies." They wanted autographs and pictures taken with her. Now they go to Vegas conventions and spend 8 hours standing in line to get their pictures taken with the stars. Pathetic.

I don't know about "game" needed but I saw some guys blow 100's of dollars and go home with blue balls because they were too shy to ask to get laid. I think the monger crowd is a bit brighter than the strip club crowd.

Some of them are rather wholesome GND types who surprised me when they told me they had been strippers.  I also know of some FBSM girls who have moved on to FS providers.  I don't think either is the norm, but they are not uncommon.

they do not do it for cheap...the one I know that they do, they are all 800 or more per hour

GaGambler794 reads

I can't remember ever paying even half that much, but then again I only fuck strippers that at least "sort of" like me.  Strippers aren't like hookers who have a set rate that is cast in stone.  

Strippers rates are usually on a sliding scale starting with "that guy has a fucking hump, smells bad, and hasn't brushed his teeth in a week, and can't stop talking about himself" That guy is going to get charged a thousand bucks for a five minute quickie. On the other end of the spectrum is the young handsome guy who is a lot of fun and who gets fucked for free, and THEN there are the rest of us in between. If a stripper thinks that you are fun, "Not repulsive" and that fucking you might actually be fun, you will find the rate she charges you will reflect that, OTOH, if it's clear you just want "some of that pussy" and it's going to be strictly work, her rate will reflect that as well.

If you find that strippers want $800 hr to fuck you, you might try looking in the mirror, or try finding less mercenary strippers. Believe it or not, they do exist.

Posted By: GaGambler
 
   
 On the other end of the spectrum is the young handsome guy who is a lot of fun and who gets fucked for free, and THEN there are the rest of us in between.  
   
 If you find that strippers want $800 hr to fuck you, you might try looking in the mirror, or try finding less mercenary strippers. Believe it or not, they do exist.
I never saw a "handsome" guy come into the MBOT and get fucked for free. I have seen guys spend $800 to get laid. Some of the guys who were regulars knew how to negotiate. I don't think there was ever a fixed price because the action was right there. It's not like contacting a girl and having to pass screening and waiting a day to see her.

GaGambler916 reads

Just like "most" hookers have someone that they are "giving it away" to.

Now that doesn't mean that every young (or old) handsome guy is going to waltz into a strip club and have the dancers fighting each over the privilege of fucking him, I was using it to illustrate one end of the spectrum, with the other end of course being the old, fat, smelly guy, with no personality to boot.

and I (like all of us) have seen guys spend a LOT more than $800, I have seen guys spend THOUSANDS, and never even get close to getting laid. The point is, in a strip club simply having lots of money to throw around is no guarantee of getting laid. Sometimes spending "too much" money inside the club will kill you chances of ever getting laid outside the club because the smart strippers will figure out that if they ever do fuck the "golden goose" there will no longer be any "thrill of the chase" and he'll move on to the next girl and chase her. Chasing is sometimes more exciting than catching for some guys.

Most of them had boyfriends and/or "manager" types that they were giving it away free to. Ever hear of Chuck Traynor who was once the husband of Linda Lovelace and Marilyn Chambers? He got more than just free fucks from managing Marilyn.  

I agree with you on guys spending $1,000's on the chase. I've never understood the thrill of wasting thousands on the chase. I saw one stripper bleed a guy for 40K over a period of time. The guy was not well off either.  

I can tell you the only guys who got any respect were the guys who knew the owners and partied "upstairs." Everybody else was just a mark at the MBOT. LOL

GaGambler782 reads

The funny thing about strippers, much like a LOT of hookers, the more money you throw at them, trying to impress, the less they actually respect you. I mean they will fawn all over you to keep the cash coming, but you don't really want to know what they say about you behind your back. OTOH a guy who can find the balance between "over the top" and "cheap" is going to do one hell of a lot better than the dumb ass who's in their blowing his kids college fund.

This of course is one of those lessons that can only be learned, it can't be taught. Either you get it, or you don't. There is very little middle ground.

The "upstairs" parties were great! Incredible quantities of Booze, cocaine, weed, a few fistfights and general all around rowdiness and decadence. The main dressing room for the house dancers was a surrealistic circular enclosure that was usually left wide open. On either side was the opulent dressing rooms for the features who were porn stars in those days.  

The girl's were NOT allowed to go into the office/party room without permission. There were plenty of other places up there to get blow jobs from the girls.

Absolutely.
It's who you are,  how you look, and what game you got that generally gets the OTC action at low or no price

Posted By: lopaw
Absolutely.  
 It's who you are,  how you look, and what game you got that generally gets the OTC action at low or no price.  
 
I can't speak for every strip club but the girls at the MBOT just looked at the customers as marks. If you did business with the owners and had access to the NON-public sections you were looked at entirely differently. I dated "OTC" and never paid a dime.

GaGambler877 reads

Your "universe" seems a bit small, but your experiences are your own. Just not necessarily the same as the rest of us.

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Apparently he lived at the Mitchell Brothers back in the day and it scarred him for life.  Now that he's stalking my every post I'm sure I'll hear from him.  LMAO!

Posted By: L.Guapo
Apparently he lived at the Mitchell Brothers back in the day and it scarred him for life.  Now that he's stalking my every post I'm sure I'll hear from him.  LMAO!
YOU started stalking MY every post when you started in with the L.Guapo alias in late July. Poor Pint Sized. You always project your own insecurities on other people. If I'm "stalking" your posts, I'm just returning the favor.

I did business with the Mitchell Brothers back then. It was a fun part of my life. I'm sorry that sex work has scarred you to the point that you need professional help. I hear MPD is hard to treat! I wish you the best in your therapy. :)

Posted By: USGrantlover
Well, If true I'm at least providing a little amusement around here. This place needs a few laughs even if it's just to laugh at me. I'm laughing at myself! Carry on.

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Usually it starts off as strippers to escort escorts way more fun an easier than stripping I think but every one has there own opinion

"I'm a stripper, but I would never have sex for money. I don't care how much they pay me." Personally, I don't know how someone can be surrounded by all that testosterone, dancing naked in front of numerous boners, and not want it.

Some girls who don't do BBBJ or CIM sometimes think CIM providers are cum dumpsters...  

Girls who don't do HH or 1 Hrs think they're better than the 1 hour girls.

But it seems "the more of a slut you are, the lower you are." Personally, I think the tease looks more like a slut lol. And in strip clubs, you're also not getting to screen, so you're exposed to all sorts of people. Which can give a misconceived idea that we see ALL men and have sex with them.  

Then there's price range. $1,000 1 hour vs $400 1 hour. Or even $600 minimum vs $500 minimum.  

Now this is only a few people I've heard over the years. Strippers, escorts, s&m providers, massage, etc etc. Most people get that we are all in the sex trade together and don't waste time judging people who "sin differently than them."

Anyway, a lot of the strippers I've known claim to never have sex for money - that's just.. Too low. I'm like, "you should try it. They eat good pussy!" Lmao

you are too funny!  I  am sure that some of these girls may have boyfriends or handlers and they may be getting some extra benefits but I think that a lot of these women are into other women and these are the ones that are getting free orgasms.Lol  

Posted By: Courtney.Ova
"I'm a stripper, but I would never have sex for money. I don't care how much they pay me." Personally, I don't know how someone can be surrounded by all that testosterone, dancing naked in front of numerous boners, and not want it.  
   
 Some girls who don't do BBBJ or CIM sometimes think CIM providers are cum dumpsters...  
   
 Girls who don't do HH or 1 Hrs think they're better than the 1 hour girls.  
   
 But it seems "the more of a slut you are, the lower you are." Personally, I think the tease looks more like a slut lol. And in strip clubs, you're also not getting to screen, so you're exposed to all sorts of people. Which can give a misconceived idea that we see ALL men and have sex with them.  
   
 Then there's price range. $1,000 1 hour vs $400 1 hour. Or even $600 minimum vs $500 minimum.  
   
 Now this is only a few people I've heard over the years. Strippers, escorts, s&m providers, massage, etc etc. Most people get that we are all in the sex trade together and don't waste time judging people who "sin differently than them."  
   
 Anyway, a lot of the strippers I've known claim to never have sex for money - that's just.. Too low. I'm like, "you should try it. They eat good pussy!" Lmao

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