Imo, gals charging a higher rate are more of the "pay for gay" crowd.
Girls that are REALLY into other girls will typically not charge extra and look forward to a little change of just one on one all the time. Some will claim it is "extra work." Lol Fine for them to have that opinion, but those are girls I wouldn't want to see anyway, for obvious reasons.How much (if any) is typical for a provider to charge if a hobbyist isn't alone (whether it be MFM or FMF)?
For example, if she typically charges $500 for an hour of her time, but is going to be spending it with two people, how much more - if anything - is her time worth?
Thanks!
Imo, gals charging a higher rate are more of the "pay for gay" crowd.
Girls that are REALLY into other girls will typically not charge extra and look forward to a little change of just one on one all the time.
Some will claim it is "extra work." Lol
Fine for them to have that opinion, but those are girls I wouldn't want to see anyway, for obvious reasons.
If the other person in the group is also a sex worker.. I don't charge any more than my standard rate.
If the other person is not, there is an upcharge.
Working with another sex worker is a lot easier, we both have one main focus and that actually takes a load off of the both of us.
Working on a couple as a sole worker simply is more difficult and more work.
I'm just not seeing/envisioning your rationale. Sorry. My mind really doesn't see what that difference could be to justify an upcharge. There are still the same number of people in the equation, the focal point is still one person. You're still sharing the 'workload".
What am I missing here?
The focal point is one person when one person is paying, when two people are paying the focal point is two people.
I'm not sharing the workload when I'm being paid to please two people that are both paying me.
I am sharing the workload when myself and another sex worker are being paid to please one person that is paying the both of us.
That's confusing to you?
One is an "assistant" of sorts, the other is another paying customer, expecting to be pleased.
I really don't see why that concept is so hard to grasp either. Customers pay, workers get paid. what's so hard to grasp
I still have to pay FULL x 2 but it's HALF the work for each of them, TWICE the work for me and I barely make it to the end!
(I'm an infrequent dabbler, I mean doubler.)
I wonder how common it is for providers to do doubles? Is it a problem if one provider is bi and the other isn't? I ask this because I have never tried a double but it sounds like it could be a lot of fun depending on the escorts that you select.
I've had several threesomes and it is a lot more fun if both the ladies are bi. One can tell the difference. I would suggest that you choose one lady of your choice and seek her counsel on who the second participant should be. She will know who will fit in for the fun. And it can really be fun!!!
For providers to do doubles with other ladies.
It is going to be a problem if one provider is not into women and the other provider is.
I suppose one could fake it for one time but if a provider who really does not like women intimately I would think it would be noticeable.You can always tell when someone is not comfortable or is just going through the motions.You do not want a doubles appt to be like that.
You want a doubles appt where both ladies are into ladies.
I have done quite a few doubles appts where I was meeting the provider for the first time.
The other provider or I always sets a time and place to meet before meeting the guy.
We do this to get to know one another since everyone has their likes and dislikes.
Also to make sure you have some kind of chemistry and understanding.
Nothing worse than working with another lady who does not want to be there or does not like women the guys notice it.When I do duos I do not charge an additional fee on top of my rates.
I don't see couples but I know there are some ladies who charge additional for couples.
So your willing to be with another provider for a FMF appt, but not a couple for a FMF appt?
Doesn't make much sense to me
Sounds like someone not comfortable with women. She can fake it with another provider, but she wouldn't be able to fake it with the female half of a couple.
There are providers who do duos with some provider friends they know or maybe with a provider she recently met.Does not mean automatically that she sees couples as well.
Everyone has the right to choose who they see or don't see.
I guess if a provider does not see couples automatically means she is faking when doing duos with other providers?That doesn't make sense to me but that's your opinion and you are entitled to it.
Most of the duos I have done have been with guys I have saw in the past.
Or with a lady who I worked with in the past who has brought me along to have fun with her and a gent.
That is how I work everyone is different.
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Go back and read what I wrote.
I never said that a provider who doesn't see couples would be uncomfortable with another provider, nor did I say that a provider who will do a duo with another provider automatically has to also see couples.
You certainly presumed alot of false assumptions based in my original simple one sentence response.
You said someone who does not see couples sounds like someone not comfortable with women she can fake it with another provider but not with a female half of a couple.
I rather play with a lady who I know or a provider who I have been wanting to meet not a wife or SO.
I did the couple thing one time did not work well for me the SO was not all the way on board with the idea and the guy acted as if she was not a good experience.
So I do what is comfortable for me.
Like I said you are entitled to your opinion but I did not make any false assumptions by your simple one sentence that was pretty clear.
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You're free to disagree. Like you said yourself- we're all different
No problem. 
I've talked to several providers that told me that they don't do the couples thing due to their insecurity and discomfort with a civvie woman, but they could put on a decent act with a fellow provider to at least make it look good during a FMF.
I dated a provider once who would do threesomes for work all the time, she was most definitely NOT bi and would never interact with the other lady any more than absolutely necessary. I am positive that she would never see a couple where she would have to not only interact with the woman, but would most likely be expected to take the lead.
Too bad for me though, a couple of her friends at work who I suppose liked me a little bit would from time to time suggest us having threesome (OTC obviously) but my GF not only said no, but HELL NO!!!. Like I said, my loss. A couple of her friends were hot. lol
Ain't nothing in it for me, so she's pretty much as useless to me as tits on a bull
There is a huuuuge difference between seeing a civi woman as part of a couple, and seeing a woman one on one or doing a duo with another provider.
Couples have an entirely different dynamic than solos or a duo, and it's not always a good one. When I worked for the agency, basically every couple story ended with "and then she cried" or "and she was a bushy, smelly mess". It was a little better when I went Indy and did my own screening, but you still have to deal with a unit, or a team, that you don't know as opposed to an individual or two who are there for a very specific reason and are 100% on board because, duh, it's just them making these decisions for themselves. Not all couples are there for the same reason, if you know what I mean.
Yes, some couples are a ton of fun. But the majority are not when it comes to p4p. That's why a single girl willing to deal with them is called a "unicorn", lol
Unicorn? I don't think so. I see plenty of providers offering their services to couples. Seems like alot of them, actually.
But to each their own, I guess.
I think the "unicorn" comment did not relate to providers, but civilian single females who are willing to join couples for non-p4p fun.
While checking out various providers websites, many list on their FAQ pages that they are couples friendly. It's posted as a question on virtually every FAQ page that I encounter, so from the hundreds of websites that I've visited it seems far from rare. If there is a true unicorn in the hobby world, I gotta believe that I fit that bill 
And I have also noted that 99% of those few that don't see couples also don't see solo women. There's only one conclusion that I can draw from that. It pretty much affirms what I stated- that the provider simply doesn't want a civvie woman in her bed. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck.....well you get the idea. I'm not judging....like dakine said, to each their own. There is a provider out there for everyone. So if you find one that doesn't like whatever it is you are.....delete her page and move on to the next one.
Or of course, it could be that once again Charlie thinks that she can speak for ALL hookers, and because she doesn't like to deal with couples, no one does. Nah, that couldn't possibly be it, could it?
I think you can imagine that it's damn near impossible to find that hot, young third for free. But money changes everything.
We all know what a unicorn is, well all of us BUT Charlie.
My response to LP was in regard to Charlie claiming that finding a hot, young third, PERIOD, including P4P is still a unicorn. By your post I can see you agree with me that once again Charlie is wrong.
Two months from now you'll be telling us all how you have insider information from all your "hooker girlfriends" and quote me. As always *yawn*
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So you share your hourly rate with the second escort? What happens if the guy wants to do a double but once the session starts he is only into one female and the other escort is left with nothing to do? I could see how this could be a potential problem.
...she doesn't increase it when she works with another woman. The other woman is in charge of her own rate.
No when a guy does a duo he pays each lady her rate for however long he has booked an appt.
When booking a duo there are alot of things that need to be worked out.
That is why it is best to pick providers who have provider friends they regularly work with.
I don't know never had that issue everybody had fun no one was left out
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Honestly, there are a few variables in this equation. There are no set "guidelines" to follow here and you can best contact those ladies of interest and request further information for your specific needs. Keep looking until you find your best match. I'll elaborate a little here.
Personally, I get a lot of these requests. For some reason, it seems that a large percentage of men who contact me for couple dates, confirming the date is equally for her service as well, are offended somehow that I request a charge, per person in a standard start rate. I often ask those offended if she gets to eat free and get into concerts for free as well when they are entertained as a couple. I don't understand the logic that my hour is to be paid for in an "all you can do by anyone in the room" theory that some come to the table with. (this is just my personal taste of course)
When a couple mentions that they are in their late 50's and have a laundry list of specialty menu items to boot, I would likely quote higher than the "vanilla" couple in their 30's with references and no specialties involved. If there were a "standard" rule that needed to be followed, such as I would have to accept if working for an agency, I would not enjoy much of the work and drop the offering altogether. Those who like my rates and services are always the couples that I also enjoy seeing and so it is a win win for everyone.
If applicable to any gentlemen reading this thread of interest, may I add a few more notes from my experience working with couples.
1. Please be certain she is looking to play in this arrangement. Please stop calling lists of escorts to work out a deal when you know in your heart that you have a less than 3% chance of her ever going along with your fantastic idea. Please warm her up to this with showing photos and sites to your women and at least get a more than 25% percent go ahead from her to pursue this. I assure you that there are 100+ reasons to support this as valuable advice without the boring detail.
2. 90% percent of men couple callers end the conversation with "ok then, how much for just me without her". Nothing wrong with that of course...but.... spending a lot of time to go back to point "A" as listed on all my ads does not make you the guy with the "original approach" to get the girl. It is super routine and an unoriginal, drag.
3. If men truly want a more than worthy experience in this playtime, do not be cheap about it. Couple calls are ultimately about her, not him. I guarantee you that the couples who pay fair to reputable providers are more than thrilled. Having her 1000% happy wins for the man tenfold and lasts a long, long time in "cool" life points. If it is just about you guys, then leave her out of it entirely.
4. Consider your genuine future sentiments on her ability to call me in the future, without you. If it is perfect for your future, then share the pics, never the number
Thanks for the moment. I had to get that off of my chest while helping out the readers desiring the expert advice.
Happy Hunting, xo Crissi
For example, if she typically charges $500 for an hour of her time, but is going to be spending it with two people, how much more - if anything - is her time worth?
Thanks!
Depends on all sorts of things including how well you and the lady or ladies negotiate - some of these things especially as you get into multiple hours and more unusual services are not on the standard "bill of fare".
I have been at group events (or even doubles) where the hourly rate per provider was actually less. My feeling is that it is more a matter of how many customers are involved per number of providers BUT there's obviously not a rule with this. It is a free market.
I understand that married/SO couples are more. I can see that because it does seem like it would be more work... and more importantly more potential for drama precisely because a wife is involved. Lord knows I wouldn't want to work for my wife.... ;>
I've seen many providers offer 'couples' rates of ~$100-200 more per hour. Some may expect the full hourly rate from each additional participant. You'll just have to inquire and judge for yourself if it's worth it.
If this is a first meeting, unless she's really into MFM, both guys may be expected to pay her full rate. If she's seen both of you before and is into it, she may give you a discount. Instead of getting hung up in "standard practices," just make her an offer and work it out from there. The rules are whatever all parties consent to.
Being cheap, low-balling, nickel & diming are frowned upon. There's nothing wrong with asking what she expects for a MFM with your friend, or even asking, "would you accept $___ for a (duration) meeting with me and my friend?"
They'd both have to pay my standard rate.
don't actually believe that "you are paying for my time" malarkey
we charge more because it's more work ????
so what is it.. are we paying for "work" or "time" ?
This line of work would be so much easier if that were true.
Would you pay any of us for our time if you didn't think that time would include the possibility of sex?
I wouldn't pay for your time unless that time would include a guaranteed certainty of sex..
I was just having fun with the ludicrous concept that we're paying for time... I'm not the one putting the disclaimer on my ads or engaging in train wreck threads insisting that the johns are only paying for time..
but THOSE women are called doctors and lawyers. Hookers I pay for sex, and I don't even bother pretending otherwise.
just paid a doctor to stick her finger up my ass... does that count as paying for sex ?
actually she wasn't half bad looking, I'd book her if she ran an ad
As an occasional doubler, I can say that the upcharge is rarely the case and really not an issue. More frequently (just yesterday, in fact), the problem is a minimum time, ie. no 1 hour appointments. Probably not an issue with a lot of people, but I'm not as young as I once was and am really a one-pop guy so a 2 hour appointment is definitely overkill.
Also, as others have mentioned, make sure both ladies are into each other. It can be fun even if they're not, but if they are, it's an entirely different level.