Hi All,
Looking for some advice. I sent a scheduling request from P411 to a provider who was listed on P411. From there on out we scheduled via email. P411 has a tracking option where I can see who looked at my profile.
The provider never looked at my profile. She also never asked any screening questions. I can't understand why someone who has a P411 account wouldn't use it to check me out. This seems like a big red flag.
The provider has 21 reviews going back to 2013 with a number of recent reviews. The reviewers had a lot of reviews under their belt and a lot of whitelist entries from other providers who vouched for them. The provider I'm scheduling with also has a professional web site.
Everything looks legit. But the fact that my P411 account wasn't checked makes me nervous.
Thoughts?
I have never let it bother me a bit, in spite of all the old biddies here (both male and female) that insist that if a hooker doesn't make you jump through a dozen different hoops that she is unsafe to see. As long as SHE checks out, has glowing and recent reviews, I wouldn't let this bother me a bit.
Don't let the nay sayers here make you lose any sleep over this and talk you out of a good time, as long as she has great reviews, I say "go have a great time'
I do think both sides of this world should make the other side feel as comfortable as possible, since there is so much paranoia in p4p.
I have seen women I know fact certain didn't screen me. Now it didn't bother me because I did my homework on her. But, to somebody new, it can freak them out a bit, and I get why that is.
Not all the ladies screen all the time. They just don't. Some don't because they forget, some don't because they are having a rough month financially, etc.
Just my 2 cents, but I think it helps all if the gal at least goes thru the motions of screening. If for no other reason than to make a new or newer client feel more at ease.
I've never looked at anyone's P411 profile; nor have I ever called another provider seeking a reference. P411 is not bullet proof and several stings / busts have occurred that included several members of same. As for reference checks, I have no problem providing them, but personally find it odd to seek a stranger's approval/vouch for another stranger. I've been in the business for nearly a decade and have not had a single problem. I credit that to using common sense.
Don't let the nay sayers here make you lose any sleep over this and talk you out of a good time, as long as she has great reviews, I say "go have a great time'
I have seen plenty of high end providers on relatively short notice using P411. They don't need your profile to see that you have OKs from other girls.
This business of asking for your first born child to see an escort is nothing more than another marketing gimmick to make them sound "exclusive." Some use personal info and other nonsense to try to control the type of reviews they get.
Stop listening to the stuffy escorts and lapdogs who post on here. Just enjoy the girl.
In a lot of cases that would be all that she would require. There is also a place were providers can ask further questions of other providers who have seen you in the past through the providers view.
How many OKs do you have?
They have that without reading your profile.
If you in your PM gave them your TER handle they have more information.
In the reverse as in P-411 there are no reviews only verification so I then go to TER. And look at her reviews.
Awhile back I sent a TER PM requesting a date and to add to her comfort gave my P-411 identity.
Tracking showed nothing but she told me how many OKs I had and to my knowledge did not contact any of my white lists
And a woman's intuition is accurate at a rate of % .....
P.S. Note my alias
Simple enough: sounds like she's a vet with plenty of experience (21 revs going back to 2013) so she got jaded and no longer care as it's just a waste of time for her. Somebody mentioned woman intuition? well, that comes with the experience as well
I have 4 reviews and 3 okays so maybe that was it. Just made me nervous. 
If you checked her out and she's ok to you, the fact that she didn't check you out puts some risk on her end, not yours. I have had providers who insist that screening is absolutely mandatory, do absolutely no screening on me. I had great sessions with them. Several others have also given you reasons why she may not have.
Just the fact that you are on P411 may be enough for her.
She used someone elses account to check you out (or you saw someone she knew)
It's close to the end of the month. Bills are due.
She just had a good feeling.
She just randomly screens some clients.
She forgot.
Etc.
Don't sweat it. Have a good time
If the gal does indeed not screen a guy, she may not have screened any guys that day. If she gets busted prior to seeing this guy, LE may wait for all the johns to show that day and our boy gets busted.
Now, I don't want to blow this out of proportion and I am picking a nit here to a degree, but...the girl not screening does put everyone she sees at more risk that day, or any day she chooses to not screen.
We can argue till the cats come home about just how big of a risk that really is, but I would argue he is at least at SOME more risk.
That being said, if I checked a girl out and she met with my approval re: being legit and not being LE, I wouldn't hesitate for a minute to see her.
But I do understand why this would bug some guys.
I didn't know that the number of okays were sent in the email so this makes a lot more sense to me. Learned a lot from this discussion.
I want to have a safe fun time and make amazing memories so I do my research and when I see something that I'm curious about I ask questions.
Thanks to all of you who shared your thoughts!
Just the fact that you are on P411 may be enough for her.
She used someone elses account to check you out (or you saw someone she knew)
It's close to the end of the month. Bills are due.
She just had a good feeling.
She just randomly screens some clients.
She forgot.
Etc.
Don't sweat it. Have a good time.
you had enough info provided on your P411 profile so when you sent the request to her it comes through her email.Maybe she verified you another way and even though she has a P411 profile she does not use P411 as a form of screening.Me personally when a gent sends me a P411 request I do check his profile I like to see if he has any current okays and if he filled out his profile with his likes/dislikes since every guy is different.
But every lady is different.Some ladies have a profile on P411 but do their own independent screening outside of a guy having a P411 acct.And with others P411 account is sufficient enough.
You never know if she did or did not screen you...you should not assume this just because she did not check your profile.
If you did your research and she looks legit have fun I wouldn't worry.
Just my .02
But I believe we can see the email address on file in the request, which can pull up a lot...
I say, if you aren't comfortable with the lack of screening, think about moving on if you'll be sweating bullets before the date. That can be a bonor killer too.
There have been times I've been questioned for not contacting other providers. But I had well more than enough info not to have to kiss and tell to other ladies. I am beginning to like that, but if I have any further questions, I'll actually talk to the references.
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when she only views your Okays. Your provider is my kind a gal as she's sensible and to the point.
Some paranoid provider still screen you after the appointment confirmed up to when you get inside her place. It can be a boner killer depending on the inquiry. Just sayin'
Btw, you may get a P411 notification that she has viewed your profile as near to the appointment time.
Otherwise, relax, take a couple blue pills or not, and have a blast
And obviously look for who has OK'd him. Actually contacting the provider after they've already given an OK can be annoying to some providers. Some I can tell they don't OK just anyone.
Also, if someone is looking for a reference I'll check out the profile to remember the guy since my OK may not be the last date I saw him. That has raised concerns, as it looks like you're snooping, which is kinda embarrassing.
But not to look at it at all is a little risky imo. I look at least three times, and day of just to jog my memory on likes for appts.
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but I book about 5-10 new providers a month on average through P 411 and rarely do any of them check my profile more than once, and in maybe 20% of the times, I don't get a notification that they have checked my profile even once. So this is hardly an unusual occurrence and certainly nothing to give a guy, newbie or not, cold feet about seeing the lady.
I suppose it's "possible" for the lady to get busted in the morning and be flipped by the afternoon like Jack suggested, but I think it's much more productive to worry about being struck by lightning on a sunny day
If he's all worked up about it, see someone who makes him comfortable, so he can go in with confidence, not stressed by the paranoid thoughts and heart racing on the way there.
There are other ways to screen to get plenty of information without looking at profiles, depending on the info given in the booking form.
Also, if they do have an assistant, the assistant may be getting only the email forward of the request, and has already screened the guy for someone else.
There are tons of possibilities and most likely no problem. The only problem may be his own paranoia, which isn't always a bad thing, but can ruin it for a guy
-- Modified on 7/26/2015 10:03:01 AM
Rough estimate in my experience is that providers that I contact for a date pull my profile:
Zero times less than 10%
Once 60%
Twice 25%
Three or more times less than 10%
The most common scenario is I contact a provider through PM, I see a few minutes or hours later that she has viewed my profile and a few minutes or hours later she gets back to me and we schedule our date
You were against the concept of having a profile on P411, what ever made you change your mind?
I ask because I'm not in favor of being a member of a verification service, but it might make my booking with a lady easier, however they will know it's me, and may decline seeing me based upon that fact.
Should I register for a profile?
but that doesn't make it true.
I have NEVER been against the concept of having a P411 profile and I have been a happy member of P 411 for years.
and yes you should most definitely join a verification service, not because it will make it easier for you to book with providers, but so the hookers can be warned away from you.
back during your moderating days, and up until you came back to TER after your voluntary departure. Did I imagine all this? I could have you confused for someone else, perhaps?
That's counter productive in my case.
Verification sites feel like a "hobby tax" to me.
When I lived in Atlanta it was completely unnecessary, and even outside of Atlanta I was a mod here for years, and I didn't have to jump through many hoops to get screened. All I had to do was send a PM or make a post disappear and then reappear to prove who I was. Pretty neat, isn't it? Or maybe I should say "Wasn't it?" lol
I know you weren't in favor of having something that you deemed unnecessary.
There are probably other posts where you actually said you didn't care for P411.
I know because I was in favor of P411 and screening, and at the time you were against it. Now it's the other way around. Why did you change your mind?
Senor Grumpy doesn't have a prayer for SPOTY this year, you just get dumber by the day.
Let's see if someone with more patience can translate my plain English into moronese so you can understand what I wrote there. I assure you it means nothing even close to what you seem to think it means.
When you didn't need it. That's a common sense conclusion from my perspective.
I also assume you are a provider in trick's clothing.
We get an email with all your basic info in it, including your number of ok's.
For myself, if it's more than a few and especially if I'm checking email on my phone, I'll go ahead and make the booking then log in and look at your profile later when I'm at my laptop.
You obviously have an active account. She is OK with you being a P411 member that is good enough. She may or may not view your OK's right before the appointment of she may not care.
You can lie on some things, but being a member and sending msgs directly, from your account, it had to be you. Trouble comes when you get random emails with TER handles and P411 or Date-Check id's that can't be verified or don't match with the email address of the sender. Usually, direct msgs from the site are the account holders. Get your panties out of a bunch and have a good time! There are many other things in the hobby to wave the red flag at! Lol!
Looking for some advice. I sent a scheduling request from P411 to a provider who was listed on P411. From there on out we scheduled via email. P411 has a tracking option where I can see who looked at my profile.
The provider never looked at my profile. She also never asked any screening questions. I can't understand why someone who has a P411 account wouldn't use it to check me out. This seems like a big red flag.
The provider has 21 reviews going back to 2013 with a number of recent reviews. The reviewers had a lot of reviews under their belt and a lot of whitelist entries from other providers who vouched for them. The provider I'm scheduling with also has a professional web site.
Everything looks legit. But the fact that my P411 account wasn't checked makes me nervous.
Thoughts?
From your appt request through P411, she has your handle name, email address, phone number, and how many OKs you have.
For me, just seeing a few P411 OKs is enough for me to book. I will most likely check out the gentleman's entire P411 profile when I get a chance, just to get a feel for what he likes.
But just seeing those P411 OKs on an appt request is enough for me to feel safe with the gentleman and confirm the booking.
P.S. She also could have researched your email address, phone number, and handle via other means, to further ensure you're safe to meet.
never had a problem with those ladies.
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Looking for some advice. I sent a scheduling request from P411 to a provider who was listed on P411. From there on out we scheduled via email. P411 has a tracking option where I can see who looked at my profile.
The provider never looked at my profile. She also never asked any screening questions. I can't understand why someone who has a P411 account wouldn't use it to check me out. This seems like a big red flag.
The provider has 21 reviews going back to 2013 with a number of recent reviews. The reviewers had a lot of reviews under their belt and a lot of whitelist entries from other providers who vouched for them. The provider I'm scheduling with also has a professional web site.
Everything looks legit. But the fact that my P411 account wasn't checked makes me nervous.
Thoughts?
Honestly, I am aware of a lady who uses the Phone Call method!
I would never trust a phone call, ever.
Actually, I didn't hear that. But Mark Harmon does and he played Ted Bundy on TV. But I'm sure these sorts of sociopaths can sound and act very charming as we all know. If anyone ever asked my opinion I'd say you can never be too careful. Too many providers I know have been attacked by a John at one time or another - some more than once - and this is with screening. You don't need me to say imagine the odds without it.
I know I'm a good guy; but you don't. I'm never bothered and always totally fine when you check.
I had 6 reviews here at one point and a provider wouldn't see me. Said all my reviews were from out of town. Even let her know where I work. Nothing from her. But I respected her decision. I've let them all know my handle here an P411,. I've talked on the phone an they ask what time did I want to schedule for that day. All on the sound of my voice. Iiwas traveling once an had an appoint set up over emails. When I landed I got a text she needed to cancel. Sat down an called another girl an told her I could send her my info. Wanted to see her that night but understood if she wanted to wait a day to screen me. She asked what time I wanted to come over that night. Again all on the sound of my voice. I did my research an felt safe an they have their own methods. It's all a mystery.
If you have more than a few (5 or more) "Okays" on P411, she likely just looked to see what other ladies "Okayed" you and decided that if they thought you were "Okay", that she would likely think so also. Perhaps she plans to look at your profile the day or so before you meet? I have a feeling that a lot of guys leave their P411 profiles fairly blank. (I don't, and I think that ladies like learning a bit more about me this way before we meet the first time.)
As far as her being safe, with 21 reviews going back to 2013, I think she is likely FINE. To me it's likely more of a risk if she does not have a review in the last year, and even that's not always an issue... for all sorts of potential valid reasons. Have fun!