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Posted By: Call me Cait

I have had my lovely vagina for some time now.  I can assure you that it's working too.  Or just ask Oldtimemonger.

Do you think I can get my own reality show without being fully committed?  

I have also taken down my profile on AM.  I can't have that ruining my endorsements.

I'll still sign that Wheaties box for you sweetie  ;)

In reading numerous hooker boards I've come to the conclusion that there are a lot of misguided guys/girls out there. Real GFE would be BBFS-CIP. Personally  I look for BBBJTC-CIM/SWALLOW since that's the closest I can get to real GFE sex. Kissing and daty is Ok but what good does that do if the blowjob is lousy?

I have noticed that some people don't seek out GFE for pure physical pleasure. Some seem to want to close their eyes and just hold a naked lady. Others go for dinner dates and overnights. So, what type of a person are you? Pure physical pleasure or are you into the bogus psychological aspects of GFE

GaGambler979 reads

and just who are you (or me for that matter) to call the psychological aspects "bogus"???

When YOU start paying for other guys sessions then YOU can start telling them what is important to them.

As for myself, I look for different things on different days. I mean after all, don't most of us do this for variety. I like a great blow job, ok I like a great blow job a LOT, but it's not the have all end all of sex for me. I have had GREAT sex without a blow job at all as we just never got around to it

seems to be a recent overdose of those that are convinced that they are the only ones that know how to play and anyone who doesn't play the same way they do are deluded, stupid, wasteful, bogus.. (pick your adjective)... must be democrats; they seem to be convinced they have the right to tell you how to live your life... but maybe republicans; they seem to be convinced they have the right to tell your to live your sex life...

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for them to pay for my session though, I look horrible in purple...  

Like Sinatra said I'll do it "my way".

Bob.Sugar643 reads

I don't think it's an age issue....but that young dude couldn't take the boards for what they are.

I wonder if he still lurks.

Or was he the guy that Jerry guy stole from you? Oh well you're probably better off.

Personally I enjoy both the physical (boob play, DATY, scissoring, etc) but also I enjoy the chatting, cuddling and overall fantasy aspect of GFE. Is it all fake? Yeah....but who cares? We all know that we are paying for the provider to be whatever we want her to be for the time we've booked. It's not like she's trying to fool us with the whole GF act

For some of us, it isn't all fake. GFE is what I can give, where I meet you on more than just a physical level. I'd offer PSE if I felt I could meet both of our expectations, but I can't so I don't try to fool either of us. Personally, I'm not good at acting and I really want to mesh on a more personal level. Not every provider can go "there", and more power to those who can and to clients who are able to suspend disbelief. Some of us can be tender and mean it and we happen to be willing to exchange that tenderness for a price.

Honestly, I believe we are beyond that days of calling a BBBJ a girlfriend experience. Same as calling GREEK a porn star experience.  

With TER providing all the details you need to choose those services (BBBJ & Greek) I believe it has become a dis-service to assume that GFE or PSE is an indicator of that.  

I'm sensing a little evolution here and it will take some time until things are clearly defined again.

There are providers who are strictly PSE and have no interest in the kissing GFE-ish part, but include everything else....they put on one hell of a PSE show nevertheless...and guys go to them wanting a girlfriend atmosphere that includes greek. This is why reviews and some research are key to really pinning down a provider who gives you what you want.

Some guys book GFE, don't have any interest in a girlfriend atmosphere and only care about the physical service included.

Some guys book GFE, wanting some effort toward a connection, cuddling, dinner, service, TLC etc...but leave feeling let down when the girl thought all he wanted was physical service.  

The good thing is that we have observed the variety and need for clarification. I'm personally working on that with a few post-screening and before-meeting changes that I have made with guys who reach out in advance.

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You'd know that just BBFSCIP doesn't mean much otherwise.  Shit...it seems to be quite the norm for many today again.  And they aren't BF/GF...just random hookups.

If you want that real GFE...she better have you take the dogs out, clean up the room, help her with her computer, watch as she texts her friends, makes you watch any Lifetime movie, take her Mom out for lunch, listen to her tell you all about her idiotic friends, go to a party with her idiotic friends, complain that she has a headache.

If that isn't enough for you, she'll tell you what clothes you should wear, change the clothes you just put on, go shopping for new clothes, take her shopping for a new phone, take her shopping for clothes, meet her friends for coffee and listen to nonsense for hours on end.

If you aren't experience all of the above...you simply are missing out.

BBFSCIP...yeah...when her headache goes away  ;)

Posted By: Oldtimemonger
In reading numerous hooker boards I've come to the conclusion that there are a lot of misguided guys/girls out there. Real GFE would be BBFS-CIP. Personally  I look for BBBJTC-CIM/SWALLOW since that's the closest I can get to real GFE sex. Kissing and daty is Ok but what good does that do if the blowjob is lousy?  
   
 I have noticed that some people don't seek out GFE for pure physical pleasure. Some seem to want to close their eyes and just hold a naked lady. Others go for dinner dates and overnights. So, what type of a person are you? Pure physical pleasure or are you into the bogus psychological aspects of GFE?  
 

Posted By: Bob.Sugar
You'd know that just BBFSCIP doesn't mean much otherwise.  Shit...it seems to be quite the norm for many today again.  And they aren't BF/GF...just random hookups.  
   
 If you want that real GFE...she better have you take the dogs out, clean up the room, help her with her computer, watch as she texts her friends, makes you watch any Lifetime movie, take her Mom out for lunch, listen to her tell you all about her idiotic friends, go to a party with her idiotic friends, complain that she has a headache.  
   
 If that isn't enough for you, she'll tell you what clothes you should wear, change the clothes you just put on, go shopping for new clothes, take her shopping for a new phone, take her shopping for clothes, meet her friends for coffee and listen to nonsense for hours on end.  
   
 If you aren't experience all of the above...you simply are missing out.  
   
 BBFSCIP...yeah...when her headache goes away  ;)  
   
Posted By: Oldtimemonger
In reading numerous hooker boards I've come to the conclusion that there are a lot of misguided guys/girls out there. Real GFE would be BBFS-CIP. Personally  I look for BBBJTC-CIM/SWALLOW since that's the closest I can get to real GFE sex. Kissing and daty is Ok but what good does that do if the blowjob is lousy?  
     
  I have noticed that some people don't seek out GFE for pure physical pleasure. Some seem to want to close their eyes and just hold a naked lady. Others go for dinner dates and overnights. So, what type of a person are you? Pure physical pleasure or are you into the bogus psychological aspects of GFE?  
 
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Posted By: Bob.Sugar
If you want that real GFE...she better have you take the dogs out, clean up the room, help her with her computer, watch as she texts her friends, makes you watch any Lifetime movie, take her Mom out for lunch, listen to her tell you all about her idiotic friends, go to a party with her idiotic friends, complain that she has a headache.  
   
 If that isn't enough for you, she'll tell you what clothes you should wear, change the clothes you just put on, go shopping for new clothes, take her shopping for a new phone, take her shopping for clothes, meet her friends for coffee and listen to nonsense for hours on end.  
 
Hold on... all this time I could have had free dog-sitting? I'm missing out! ;-)  What about late-night runs to the supermarket when I get that intense craving for Ben & Jerry's chunky monkey?  And he's got to be willing to let me control the TV, no worries, I'm a sports fan so he won't miss the game.  I kid, I kid!

Posted By: Oldtimemonger
...... or are you into the bogus psychological aspects of GFE?  
 
 
Bogus..... heh.

If someone wants to to eat shit on a paper plate (scat fetish) I suppose that would be "bogus" to you as well...
To each their own

I like the porn star 'look'. DD's, long hair, model looks and wears very erotic clothes. To me, its more about the look. I get really turned on by a woman who is comfortable and can be openly sexy in slutty attire. Seductive and just plain hot. My real GF's did not like the idea of dressing like that, because they felt objectified. It was always about the romance to them, the build up to the sex itself.

For me, I dont need romance, I am a man and therefore visual. So leave those heels on, leave on those thigh high boots. Please wear the lace, the fishnet, the garters, the school girl outfit, the tube dress that looks painted on. Physiologically, the right girl with the right outfit really can enhance my physical experience. One of my best experiences was an Asian provider, very pretty and in her 20's, who wore a school girl outfit for me. It was unreal. Fishnet stockings, high heels, little skirt and a tight blouse with pig tales and everything. The only other thing that can wake up my brain as fast as a woman dressed in clothes that accentuate her beautiful curves and large rack, is the smell of cooking bacon LOL.

If cuddling and spooning a fine specimen of womanhood makes you happy, and it makes me happy as all hell, how is the experience bogus?  It's what I as a willing buyer want to pay for and no different than some one who want to pay to get pegged, flogged or anything else that brings them release.

Posted By: Oldtimemonger
In reading numerous hooker boards I've come to the conclusion that there are a lot of misguided guys/girls out there. Real GFE would be BBFS-CIP. Personally  I look for BBBJTC-CIM/SWALLOW since that's the closest I can get to real GFE sex. Kissing and daty is Ok but what good does that do if the blowjob is lousy?  
   
 I have noticed that some people don't seek out GFE for pure physical pleasure. Some seem to want to close their eyes and just hold a naked lady. Others go for dinner dates and overnights. So, what type of a person are you? Pure physical pleasure or are you into the bogus psychological aspects of GFE?  
 

Yep, not all GFs are built the same. I'm not a type, I'm real flesh and blood. One man's (or woman's) GFE probably differs vastly from the next.

I'm not so naïve as to think that they person will want to do this minus the envelope, but the best gals have an empathy that makes me think so, at least for a little while, and that feeling is just so sublime that I can't get enough of it.

The activities can vary from gal to gal - some are vanilla and some are kinky - but the ones that I come back to time and time again are the ones who can make my soul feel caressed

and I very much agree with you.

Sex without passion, without feeling is like standard definition TV. It is OK. If you can drop your barriers and truly be open to someone... it is life in Hi-Definition.  

I want to party in 1080p -  every. single. time.

and let us know how your body responds to that BJ, OK?

Or perhaps just tell us whether any 'ol gal will do to honk on Bobo for you, or whether you need some visual (psychological) stimulation as well? Is it OK if she smells?

If you can't get it up, is it physical or psychological? I hear they have a pill if it's a purely physical dysfunction.

ALL pleasure is in your brain... both the physical type you describe and the "lovey-dovey" type you malign. Both types of pleasure involve the exact same flood of hormones from your brain, just in varying ratios and amounts. IMO, you maximize both - for both partners.

I challenge you to name any sexual pleasure that does not require psychological involvement.

Thanks for playing "Let's Judge Others" this afternoon. It was REALLY fun

Even the most sadistic, physical sex still involves the mind, will and emotions to some extent. If it was purely physical, why does a man under stress have erection issues? Why did it take me til 25 to have my first orgasm with a man, when I have never even come close to being sexually abused? Duh.. the shit is mental to some degree, always. Those seeking some type of connection can do so without falling in love. I do it all the time. It is the money quite frankly that allows us to be able to feel all we want, and stop when we should. It's really not all that complicated. If I know a man is married, though super hot, getting paid stops any real love from forming... that does not mean we can't feel for a few hours as if we are lovers, though.

some physical attraction does have to be there.   Without that, the psychological connection won't even happen.  However, physical gratification certainly can happen and be great without anything more emotional.

The physical aspect is usually pretty easy to experience and, honestly, not usually that different from one lady to another.  

It's the woman who has all of the physical characteristics and skills that I like AND can provide that feeling of connectivity, which is hard to put a score or a number on--or even describe what that really is--that puts her far above and beyond the others.  

 For me, it's things like her touch, her smile, her kiss, her eyes, being dependable, honest, smart,  playful, and mostly just being able to be herself that sets her apart.   That is much more important to me than the physical qualities.

What does "bogus psychological aspects of GFE mean"? It seems a little "judgy". Not everyone wants porn star sex. I don't swallow in my personal life, so not in professional life either. Some people are STARVED for affection... for kisses and cuddles. Others don't like porn star sex because they associate it with disease or they are intimidated by being held to high performance standards. I once saw a man who had lost his wife to cancer. He had two children under the age of four to raise alone. He wasn't ready to date... still heart broken, but wanted to be held and made love to.

If your offering GFE in your session I feel it needs to be sincere... I tell all my clients feel like your visiting your girlfriend, hunny, lover when you cum see me..

by reading a few board posts. Your research methodology blows monkey scrotum (industry vernacular, sorry)

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Every once in a while he surprises me and makes a lot of sense and then he reverts to form and we get this drivel.

Doesn't he sound like someone who secretly hates having to see hookers? It is much easier to maintain "moral superiority" when you don't think of hookers as entire people, just a pair of tits, a mouth to suck your dick, a pussy to fuck and a life support system to keep the "important" parts running.

I still am amazed that with as many guys like the OP running around, people like you and me get hit with the misogynist label.

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Posted By: Call me Cait

I've been seeing the OP for a while now...and I have ALL the equipment that you mentioned.

GaGambler704 reads

Well not quite yet at least, but when you get one we will know how fully committed to really being "Cait" you are. Nothing says commitment like getting your dick whacked of on purpose.

BTW be sure to let Dev know when you finally work up the guts to take that final step, I am sure she'll want to know right away so we can settle up.

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Posted By: Call me Cait

I have had my lovely vagina for some time now.  I can assure you that it's working too.  Or just ask Oldtimemonger.

Do you think I can get my own reality show without being fully committed?  

I have also taken down my profile on AM.  I can't have that ruining my endorsements.

I'll still sign that Wheaties box for you sweetie  ;)

Every once in a while a blind squirrel finds a nut, doesn't mean he can see. And you and I are only misogynists to those who don't know us.

In any event I'll stick with blowjobs, since OP has blowhard covered.

.....I have never seen the slightest sign of misogyny.
Or have you ingeniously hid all of the he-man-woman-hater posts from me? ;)

Posted By: GaGambler
Every once in a while he surprises me and makes a lot of sense and then he reverts to form and we get this drivel.  
   
 Doesn't he sound like someone who secretly hates having to see hookers? It is much easier to maintain "moral superiority" when you don't think of hookers as entire people, just a pair of tits, a mouth to suck your dick, a pussy to fuck and a life support system to keep the "important" parts running.  
   
 I still am amazed that with as many guys like the OP running around, people like you and me get hit with the misogynist label.
Get your facts straight  Gambler. Better yet show me the post where I said that what you accuse me of saying. I did NOT say that fucking hookers was sad. I said trying to buy "friendships" by doing overnights was sad. I like seeing hookers but I don't and won't get involved in their personal life.

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I never said that you said "fucking hookers" was sad, what you said was "sleeping with hookers" was  sad. You also said that even if it only cost an extra $20 for a hooker to stay overnight with you that you wouldn't do it. Ringing any bells, oh judgmental one???

You fuck hookers your way and I will fuck them, sleep with them, feed them, or any other fucking thing I damn well want to do with them my way, Deal?

Posted By: GaGambler
I never said that you said "fucking hookers" was sad, what you said was "sleeping with hookers" was  sad. You also said that even if it only cost an extra $20 for a hooker to stay overnight with you that you wouldn't do it. Ringing any bells, oh judgmental one???  
   
 You fuck hookers your way and I will fuck them, sleep with them, feed them, or any other fucking thing I damn well want to do with them my way, Deal?
I said that because I'm not some lonely guy who has to pay for companionship. I pay for fucking. Why are you so upset? I have no power to stop you from using hookers for overnight companionship, dinner dates etc.

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Then a blow up doll would suit your needs and save you a lot of money.
I'm sure the hookers wouldnt mind.

Posted By: dakine18
Then a blow up doll would suit your needs and save you a lot of money.  
 I'm sure the hookers wouldnt mind.
If you knew anything about hookers you would know that the perfect client is the guy who shows up on time, clean and well groomed, pays them, fucks them, leaves and never gets involved in their personal life.

dakine18666 reads

So you can't have a "GFE" without getting all up into their personal life?
WTF???

Posted By: dakine18
So you can't have a "GFE" without getting all up into their personal life?  
 WTF???
In your previous post you mentioned a blow up doll. Many ladies have told me that certain guys carry things too far and try to find out their real name and things about their personal life.

Bob.Sugar761 reads

Maybe you're getting a bit too personal?

Posted By: Oldtimemonger
 
   
Posted By: dakine18
So you can't have a "GFE" without getting all up into their personal life?  
  WTF???
   
 In your previous post you mentioned a blow up doll. Many ladies have told me that certain guys carry things too far and try to find out their real name and things about their personal life.

And a Purple Heart for the blowup doll!

:-)

Steph

Posted By: dakine18
Then a blow up doll would suit your needs and save you a lot of money.  
 I'm sure the hookers wouldnt mind.

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but you aren't happy just speaking for yourself, you have to tell every other guy what's real, what's bogus, and just what the right way to fuck hookers is. You are the sad one here, even worse than the manginas and BSU's you claim to pity.

You are right about one thing though, you have no power to stop me from doing anything, including calling you out when you revert to form and start telling others what to do.

Yup, you did say that OTM lol. By the way, guys who book overnights are no different than guys we just fk in real life who happen to s pend the night. Both realize the shit ends come sunrise, and we both go on with our lives. Just because people like to spend time together so they can get more than a one and done, does not make them needy. Some are, but that is not the majority. Some feel they get their money's worth in an hour, and some feel ripped off if it's not at least 4-12 hours. To suggest that because they booker longer to actually experience other aspects makes them 'looking for love' is a bit naive. I can assure you, they know they are paying a hooker who probably has a boyfriend, just like they have a wife at home. You can't buy friendship, but they are sure as hell more likely to form in more than a damn hour.

Posted By: London Rayne
Yup, you did say that OTM lol. By the way, guys who book overnights are no different than guys we just fk in real life who happen to s pend the night. Both realize the shit ends come sunrise, and we both go on with our lives. Just because people like to spend time together so they can get more than a one and done, does not make them needy. Some are, but that is not the majority. Some feel they get their money's worth in an hour, and some feel ripped off if it's not at least 4-12 hours. To suggest that because they booker longer to actually experience other aspects makes them 'looking for love' is a bit naive. I can assure you, they know they are paying a hooker who probably has a boyfriend, just like they have a wife at home. You can't buy friendship, but they are sure as hell more likely to form in more than a damn hour.
I have never looked at it as more than a stage show that I get to act in. The lady is also putting on an act. Your experiences with guys like that is not consistent with what others have told me or with what I observed years ago.  

Since neither party is going to act exactly like themselves in that period (even 4-12 hours) of time there is no "connection." I still maintain that it is a mirage.

It is the very same thing. Just because money was the reason she fked him, it does not have to be the reason anything else might happen. You're correct... you can't buy that, and that's certainly not what I am selling. It just happens without anyone thinking about it. I also am not 100 percent myself when fkin a guy for free... most people are not until they move in together, which is when all hell breaks loose.  

Posted By: Oldtimemonger
 
   
Posted By: London Rayne
Yup, you did say that OTM lol. By the way, guys who book overnights are no different than guys we just fk in real life who happen to s pend the night. Both realize the shit ends come sunrise, and we both go on with our lives. Just because people like to spend time together so they can get more than a one and done, does not make them needy. Some are, but that is not the majority. Some feel they get their money's worth in an hour, and some feel ripped off if it's not at least 4-12 hours. To suggest that because they booker longer to actually experience other aspects makes them 'looking for love' is a bit naive. I can assure you, they know they are paying a hooker who probably has a boyfriend, just like they have a wife at home. You can't buy friendship, but they are sure as hell more likely to form in more than a damn hour.
   
 I have never looked at it as more than a stage show that I get to act in. The lady is also putting on an act. Your experiences with guys like that is not consistent with what others have told me or with what I observed years ago.  
   
 Since neither party is going to act exactly like themselves in that period (even 4-12 hours) of time there is no "connection." I still maintain that it is a mirage.

There are some of my clients who are, given time, my friends.
I do not see the envelope as a bribery or payment.
I see it as them helping me in the way that they can.
I see what I do, not only as a service (as a girlfriend, can also be a service) but also as a true companion.
A friend.
A lover.
I have heard many a hooker say, it is an act; But I will say... Very rarely do I feel compelled to act.
(Only when a man is truly grotesque, which fortunately for me, has been very few and far between.)
I find beauty in most men, honor- pride- humor- sincerity- passion-
There is usually something about each male that draws me to them, if I allow.
I know it will never be something sustainable, as most lives are not meant to be intertwined permanently,
however, for the time and space that our two "paths" do meet.... I find that I give all of me, and the best of me.
My sincerity, and my passion, as much as I can muster if need be, but usually, it is drawn out and multiplied by what is given from the man.... a gift from his personal self, that is mirrored and amplified by me.

Call it fake if you will. I am sorry you have met only the girls who have to fake it.

 

Posted By: Oldtimemonger
 
   
Posted By: London Rayne
Yup, you did say that OTM lol. By the way, guys who book overnights are no different than guys we just fk in real life who happen to s pend the night. Both realize the shit ends come sunrise, and we both go on with our lives. Just because people like to spend time together so they can get more than a one and done, does not make them needy. Some are, but that is not the majority. Some feel they get their money's worth in an hour, and some feel ripped off if it's not at least 4-12 hours. To suggest that because they booker longer to actually experience other aspects makes them 'looking for love' is a bit naive. I can assure you, they know they are paying a hooker who probably has a boyfriend, just like they have a wife at home. You can't buy friendship, but they are sure as hell more likely to form in more than a damn hour.
   
 I have never looked at it as more than a stage show that I get to act in. The lady is also putting on an act. Your experiences with guys like that is not consistent with what others have told me or with what I observed years ago.  
   
 Since neither party is going to act exactly like themselves in that period (even 4-12 hours) of time there is no "connection." I still maintain that it is a mirage.

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I feel that it is hard to tell if a girl is being sincere about the time she spent with a guy. I like to believe when I spend time with a girl and we had a good time that she did enjoy herself also. but it is hard to tell if that is the case, or was it all an act on her part just doing her job. I ,ay never know for sure.  

Posted By: FoxyNC
There are some of my clients who are, given time, my friends.  
 I do not see the envelope as a bribery or payment.  
 I see it as them helping me in the way that they can.  
 I see what I do, not only as a service (as a girlfriend, can also be a service) but also as a true companion.  
 A friend.  
 A lover.  
 I have heard many a hooker say, it is an act; But I will say... Very rarely do I feel compelled to act.  
 (Only when a man is truly grotesque, which fortunately for me, has been very few and far between.)  
 I find beauty in most men, honor- pride- humor- sincerity- passion-  
 There is usually something about each male that draws me to them, if I allow.  
 I know it will never be something sustainable, as most lives are not meant to be intertwined permanently,  
 however, for the time and space that our two "paths" do meet.... I find that I give all of me, and the best of me.  
 My sincerity, and my passion, as much as I can muster if need be, but usually, it is drawn out and multiplied by what is given from the man.... a gift from his personal self, that is mirrored and amplified by me.  
   
 Call it fake if you will. I am sorry you have met only the girls who have to fake it.  
   
   
   
Posted By: Oldtimemonger
 
     
Posted By: London Rayne
Yup, you did say that OTM lol. By the way, guys who book overnights are no different than guys we just fk in real life who happen to s pend the night. Both realize the shit ends come sunrise, and we both go on with our lives. Just because people like to spend time together so they can get more than a one and done, does not make them needy. Some are, but that is not the majority. Some feel they get their money's worth in an hour, and some feel ripped off if it's not at least 4-12 hours. To suggest that because they booker longer to actually experience other aspects makes them 'looking for love' is a bit naive. I can assure you, they know they are paying a hooker who probably has a boyfriend, just like they have a wife at home. You can't buy friendship, but they are sure as hell more likely to form in more than a damn hour.
 
     
  I have never looked at it as more than a stage show that I get to act in. The lady is also putting on an act. Your experiences with guys like that is not consistent with what others have told me or with what I observed years ago.    
     
  Since neither party is going to act exactly like themselves in that period (even 4-12 hours) of time there is no "connection." I still maintain that it is a mirage.

Like it says, a girl friend experience but at a faster pace.  You're in the dating phase and she wants to wear sexy lingerie for you.  I also associate GFE with kissing but I do not associate PSE with kissing.  Swallowing or Greek to not make a date GFE for me, those are just added bonuses.

The kissing and lying in each others arms after the first cup also make it a GFE date to me.  Some dates may be a combo of GFE/PSE but that all depends on the lady.

Nothing like protecting a business when said business intentionally damages the meaning of a word they don't like.

In fact I blame the johns more because at least the gals have a financial interest to bullshit the clients.

What do super soft, mangina johns get, other than the "you're my favorite paid fk" texts and emails? I have NO idea.

is far less important that what it isn't. It isn't robotic, it isn't bored, and it isn't rollover and start texting the next appointment right after the current one finishes. Beyond that everyone can define it as they wish and find providers who define it the same way. Such a simple thing but judgment threads on the topic are like a damn rash around here.

If she is beautiful high class fun to be around, the more you get the better for the fantasy.
with some of them, the GFE experience would be only in the bedroom.
I think DFK is most important for GFE, good blowjob got nothing to do with it, it's more of a skill.

Many guys seek out GFE  for many things, but those looking for more than the physical don't normally nitpick over stupid bs in reviews. I have yet to form a connection in an hour, though there have been a hella sexual connections in that time frame.  

Most do want kissing and the option to do what they would to a real gf, but have the common sense to know that bbfs is not happening... even swallowing is a stretch to be honest. 8 out of 10 women I know in the real world do not do that for their boyfriends, either. I pretty much insist on CIM, but that's as far as it goes here.

Posted By: London Rayne
Many guys seek out GFE  for many things, but those looking for more than the physical don't normally nitpick over stupid bs in reviews. I have yet to form a connection in an hour, though there have been a hella sexual connections in that time frame.  
   
 Most do want kissing and the option to do what they would to a real gf, but have the common sense to know that bbfs is not happening... even swallowing is a stretch to be honest. 8 out of 10 women I know in the real world do not do that for their boyfriends, either. I pretty much insist on CIM, but that's as far as it goes here.
I never said that sex with a hooker included BBFS-CIP. That's why it's not real GFE. I guess I must have picked out good real life girlfriends since 9 out of 10 swallowed and the ones who did not became EX-girlfriends. I kiss but there is no way I would consider "hooker sex" the same as sex with a real girlfriend.

TW: You offer CIM. It would be hard to CIM without getting ANY down your throat. BBFS and swallowing is reserved for boyfriends, husbands and sugardaddies. Don't tell us you have never done that in a non-transactional situation.

If my mouth is full and they ask me a question, I just swallow to answer bwhahhaaa. Yes, I have done all of the above with guys in RL, but not all of them. Most knew that me swallowing did not make their orgasm any better, especially if my mouth was already off of their d*ck. I agree that average hobby sex is not like being with a BF most times, but I also don't really believe in long term relationships, so I can be just as content seeing a client twice a month as a fk buddy who uses me and I get nothing out of it but an orgasm... if that.

Posted By: London Rayne
If my mouth is full and they ask me a question, I just swallow to answer bwhahhaaa. Yes, I have done all of the above with guys in RL, but not all of them. Most knew that me swallowing did not make their orgasm any better, especially if my mouth was already off of their d*ck. I agree that average hobby sex is not like being with a BF most times, but I also don't really believe in long term relationships, so I can be just as content seeing a client twice a month as a fk buddy who uses me and I get nothing out of it but an orgasm... if that.
I understand what you are saying. I've had numerous Sugarbaby arrangements over the years. You have done the same thing. The lines  get blurred because you simply can't expect not to feel "something" for a girl you're spending 2-3 days a week with, every week. I have found that if the girl is 25 years younger than me that it can remain a FWB$ arrangement without hassles. When the girl was only 10 years younger it had to be broken off because you would not be human to be able to spend that much time with somebody you had something in common with around your own age and not feel anything.

BBFS-CIP with a girlfriend or even a bar pick up and especially a sugarbaby is entirely different than hooker sex with a condom.

GaGambler764 reads

you have many of the same hangups about hookers.

Of course fucking a hooker is not the same as fucking a wife/GF/civviepickup. but the condom is only part of the equation.

and just because you have hang ups about age, doesn't mean that we all do. I have a FWB with NO money involved who is thirty years younger than me. We started off as a hooker/john relationship, moved on to a boss/employee, then onto more of a SD/SB, then a REAL BF/GF and finally have settled on a FWB relationship with no money involved.

The big difference between us of course is that YOU are a lying, cheating husband. I am not. You can't afford real feelings while although I am not looking for real feelings they do happen from time to time. BTW I am not some stupid sap who thinks the hooker I am paying to fuck me has real feelings for me, it's the hookers who don't charge me a cent that I know must like me at least a little bit to still see me when no more money is being exchanged.

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 The big difference between us of course is that YOU are a lying, cheating husband. I am not. You can't afford real feelings while although I am not looking for real feelings they do happen from time to time. BTW I am not some stupid sap who thinks the hooker I am paying to fuck me has real feelings for me, it's the hookers who don't charge me a cent that I know must like me at least a little bit to still see me when no more money is being exchanged.

I am a husband who gave my wife everything a woman could want. She has never had to work. Since I don't think love has anything to do with sex, I have NO GUILT about so called cheating. I must have struck a raw nerve for you to get so upset over my posts.

How about good sex? Then you would be getting some... and not here.
How about fidelity?

 
Just a thought.

 
(And if you want to take a stab at it, I am single. But go for it!)

 

Most things women want are more like affection/attention/faithfulness/honesty.
Yes we want provided for (or some do, let me not speak for all those "independant" ladies.)
But providing for a wife, does not give you a free card to fuck whomever you please.
Only those exact words out of her mouth would do so.
Good try tho.

Posted By: Oldtimemonger
 
   
Posted By: GaGambler
 
     
   
     
  The big difference between us of course is that YOU are a lying, cheating husband. I am not. You can't afford real feelings while although I am not looking for real feelings they do happen from time to time. BTW I am not some stupid sap who thinks the hooker I am paying to fuck me has real feelings for me, it's the hookers who don't charge me a cent that I know must like me at least a little bit to still see me when no more money is being exchanged.
   
 I am a husband who gave my wife everything a woman could want. She has never had to work. Since I don't think love has anything to do with sex, I have NO GUILT about so called cheating. I must have struck a raw nerve for you to get so upset over my posts.

FoxyNC Posted:
   
(And if you want to take a stab at it, I am single. But go for it!)  
 
Most things women want are more like affection/attention/faithfulness/honesty.  
 Yes we want provided for (or some do, let me not speak for all those "independant" ladies.)  
 But providing for a wife, does not give you a free card to fuck whomever you please.  
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We had great sex for the almost 15 years. She lost interest in sex not me. I might not have given her fidelity in the last 8 years but she does get affection and caring. I'm surprised that on a board dedicated to prostitution that I would see posts like this. It you get rid of the married guys 70% of your clients are gone. Prostitution is not considered moral by "God" or society. If you live in a glass house................

   

 
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Not every man on here wants sex. Not everyone desires the same thing as you.
(Some, but not all.) Not everyone fits in your little box of "what should be."

How's that for a glass house?

 
(And I didn't bring God up. I refuse to debate religion on a hooker-board. You said you were married, there-for, you took a vow before God. Not I. God knows what I do. I talk to him all the time. DO YOU?)

Posted By: FoxyNC
Not every man on here wants sex. Not everyone desires the same thing as you.  
 (Some, but not all.) Not everyone fits in your little box of "what should be."  
   
 How's that for a glass house?  
   
   
 (And I didn't bring God up. I refuse to debate religion on a hooker-board. You said you were married, there-for, you took a vow before God. Not I. God knows what I do. I talk to him all the time. DO YOU?)
I'm not into "God." That was just a joke. Like it or not if you facilitate sex with a married man you are just as guilty as him.  The vast majority of married men do pay you for sex. If you were so pure of heart you would not be doing this

 I did not have a traditional church wedding so their were no religious vows.

But like you, I am no drone. I am not a sheeple. I have my own perception.
And as far as society goes, their judgements? Mean nothing to me.
Only when or IF they take my freedom, then only, does it matter.

I am an enabler, to be sure.
I am sinner, to be sure.

Who is not?
So who is in this glass house, again?

The view from here sure is nice though, isn't it?  
;)

GaGambler705 reads

and an even lower threshold for "judgmental whoremongers"

and I bet you if you asked your wife if she has "everything she could ever want" we'd get an entirely different answer.

I would find it hilarious for you to find out someday that while she's been withholding sex from you for all these years, she's secretly been banging the pool boy while you are out fucking hookers. lmao

Posted By: GaGambler
and an even lower threshold for "judgmental whoremongers"  
   
 and I bet you if you asked your wife if she has "everything she could ever want" we'd get an entirely different answer.  
   
 I would find it hilarious for you to find out someday that while she's been withholding sex from you for all these years, she's secretly been banging the pool boy while you are out fucking hookers. lmao
 
Or the lawn guy.
Or the pizza man.
Or the milk man.
Or the plumber.

Gotta keep those pipes cleared out, ya-know-what-I-mean?
;)

 
I wouldn't find it hilarious, just tragically ironic.

 

She probably sexually matured, and he didn't mature with her, so she is disinterested in his juvenile-version of sex.
I mean, that's pretty much what I would hypothesize.

Old saying I heard I think that fits right here:
Men marry women thinking they will never change.
Women marry men thinking they can change them.

 

 
So true.

Yup. I do find it funny how many married men actually believe their wife simply lost interest in sex... ha, no she did not. She just lost interest in sex with YOU many times. Sorry, but I too would be bored to death with the same d^ck for five years... ugh. I can't imagine not only having to fk the same guy year after year, but having to also wake up and go to sleep with him.. or anyone. It's just not natural.

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Posted By: London Rayne
Yup. I do find it funny how many married men actually believe their wife simply lost interest in sex... ha, no she did not. She just lost interest in sex with YOU many times. Sorry, but I too would be bored to death with the same d^ck for five years... ugh. I can't imagine not only having to fk the same guy year after year, but having to also wake up and go to sleep with him.. or anyone. It's just not natural.  

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That works both ways. The difference is that sex is only 5% of a real marriage. Partnerships and friendships form over the years. Since both your marriages failed in a year you would know nothing about that.

Or personal trainer...Gawd she deserves it!

Steph xoxo

I can confirm Gambler and OSP are two different people... I have spoken to both on the phone lol. Also, you pretty much answered why you find it so hard to fathom booking longer dates... you would feel guilty doing more than you do, but if love and sex are NOT one in the same, what's the problem? Are you suggesting that more than an hour, and you might catch feelings? Do you think your wife would care less if she knew you just fked the girl vs. kissing and going down on her?  

Ever consider your wife might also be out fkin a guy, but for free? Just saying.

Posted By: London Rayne
I can confirm Gambler and OSP are two different people... I have spoken to both on the phone lol. Also, you pretty much answered why you find it so hard to fathom booking longer dates... you would feel guilty doing more than you do, but if love and sex are NOT one in the same, what's the problem? Are you suggesting that more than an hour, and you might catch feelings? Do you think your wife would care less if she knew you just fked the girl vs. kissing and going down on her?  
   
 Ever consider your wife might also be out fkin a guy, but for free? Just saying.
I don't do more than 1-2 hour session because I am there for pure physical pleasure. I maintain that guys who want extended stays are there for more than sex. I would not feel guilty because I don't develop deep emotional feeling for whores. I do kiss and sometimes go down on whores. No, I don't feel guilty.

Is totally out of the question.  Not happening.  I do like a good BBBJ though.

Posted By: Oldtimemonger
In reading numerous hooker boards I've come to the conclusion that there are a lot of misguided guys/girls out there. Real GFE would be BBFS-CIP. Personally  I look for BBBJTC-CIM/SWALLOW since that's the closest I can get to real GFE sex. Kissing and daty is Ok but what good does that do if the blowjob is lousy?  
   
 I have noticed that some people don't seek out GFE for pure physical pleasure. Some seem to want to close their eyes and just hold a naked lady. Others go for dinner dates and overnights. So, what type of a person are you? Pure physical pleasure or are you into the bogus psychological aspects of GFE?  
 

To me, the ultimate GFE is when the provider gives you genuine-looking smiles, puts her face close to yours and looks deeply into your eyes while smiling, gives you plenty of passionate DFKs, kisses you all over and makes small talk with you. Ideally, she'll provide BBBJ with CIM/Swallow but I can live with her spitting. She'll look at your face while she's doing it, too. DATY is a must for me. Anything less than the above is not true GFE as far as I'm concerned.

If she's good at it, it's easy for you to delude yourself into believing she really likes you & she won't ever let on that it's all an act.

nobody305715 reads

I am with you on that.

I am from the generation that had lots of one night stands. My mindset was different because she gave it to me for FREE. A relationship with a SD is different because she does not have a Time clock.  

Sex with a hooker means cash out front as per XYZ amount of money for XYZ amount of time. It does not matter if it's one hour or 4 hours, the meter's ticking the whole time. Sure I will kiss them, perform daty etc. Still my mindset is that it's about ME, ME, ME. I want her to be comfortable with me in the sense that she's not afraid to be with me but I'm not going to go the extra yard for her physical pleasure. Only saps worry about that.

Passion, exploration, anticipation, play-fulness, affection, teasing, laughing, sharing.  Each provider and suitor is an individual having their own likes, desires, dislikes and limits.  Acronyms help define those, but it's been my experience that the girlfriend experience goes beyond acronyms. :)

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