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Not sure how to deal with that. I have only had two bad experiences, one where the provider was acting so abnormally, that I did not stay a second hour and after 30 minutes left, leaving an hours worth of donation. The other was a provider in Canada who came to me and did not live up to her hype. When I saw her, I politely told her things were not going to work and paid half the donation, and asked her to leave. Would that be enough to blacklist me when I have two whitelistings and many other good experiences and references? I have wondered lately why when reaching out to ladies, my emails are not returned and or I am getting last minute cancellations. What should I do?
But if they're out of them, get the foot fungal cream.
They really helped with my anal fissures. I think they are out of toasters.
...find out? What database / website? Is it the nationalblacklist.com ?
Anybody else finds this "blacklist"/"white list" racist? How non - Politically Correct!
I mean, there really should also be "yellow list" and "red list" 
The work week is over! I don't have to make sense until Monday :
This sounds serious!
The blacklist exist for us providers to look out for each other, but ultimately it is an individual woman's choice to see you or not. By changing your information when you have rightfully earned your blacklisting, you are denying women the choice in favor of your own inconsiderate actions (see my reply to the original post). Changing your information will not keep you off of the blacklist for long if you don't change your behavior. And ladies... why are we telling men they are blacklisted?! This man may have just been a time-waster, but imagine if he was somebody dangerous? This puts us all in danger.
She will be kicked outta the club ans banned for life
Those so-called private sites aren't very private. And the info on them is piggy-backed off of NBL anyhow.
As for paying for a membership...anyone can join. And if someone gets banned from there...easy enough to create another fake handle.
Maybe get Columbo on the case?
That a dishonest person should do the right thing and be honest?
The lady who told me could not believe that this was the case with me. I have only been an excellent person to deal with, and a likeable person as well (decent looking, fit, never cheap, and never never shortchanged or cancelled on anyone), so she was most surprised. So what behavior must I change? What do you do when a mistake is made or when you have not "rightfully earned" your blacklisting?
You should be blacklisted for enabling bad men to continue on.
Karma is a bitch.
Enjoy your knock
who the fuck made you queen? Listen bim you're no 26-30 with a p411 # that low. I completely understand why you hide behind a mask. I wouldn't fuck you with Caitlin's dick.
sorry for ya loss or gain, but it can happen to anybody.
I'm not exactly sure of what the circumstances are, but if what you are saying is true that you were unsatisfied with your experience and took half the money with you when you left, that is enough to upset a provider, regardless of who was in the right/wrong.
The reason being: YOU may think that you were being generous by only staying 30 min but leaving an hour worth of donation, but you were inconsiderate of her opportunity cost. If you booked a two-hour appointment and only paid for 1-hour, she may have turned down a legitimate 2hour appointment (who may have actually liked her quirky behavior or whatever reasons you stated for things "not working out" and she would have not wasted her time with you and could have been paid for the entire 2-hours from another gentleman. There are many other ways that she may have had to change her schedule around just to accommodate you.
It is just not acceptable to show up for a 2-hour appointment and only pay for 1 hour, regardless of how long you chose to stay. In no other place of business would this even be POSSIBLE for you to do. You can't just go to a movie theatre, buy a ticket, watch 15 minutes of the film, decide you don't like it, and remove the difference in cost from the cash register on your way out. Absurd. It's not like the provider could reasonably sell the rest of the time slot to somebody else.
No matter how bad things unfolded once you arrived at your appointment, you had already made a financial commitment to her and that needs to be honored. Whether you stay the entire time or not is up to you. I'm not sure if this was a case of you not doing enough research beforehand to be sure that you would be getting the experience that you were hoping you would get or some other reason, but the appropriate way to handle this would have been to leave the entire donation and excuse yourself to leave. Money can be replaced, however time cannot, and what you did was waste her time by YOUR choice, not hers. If you are unsatisfied with a provider's services, that's why TER Reviews exist.
Although either or both of these women would be completely right in blacklisting you, it doesn't mean it's the end of the world. The blacklist exists for us to look out for each other, but ultimately it is the choice of individual women on whether to see you or not. In my mind, blacklist always outweighs whitelist, however time-wasting doesn't weigh as heavily as a blacklisting for being dangerous. There might still be women out there willing to give you a chance even though your name will pop up as a time-wasting cheap bastard with no respect for time. One way to *possibly* overcome this would be to rely on more than just whitelist referrals & ok's. Contact a few of your favorite providers that you have had **several** good experiences with in the **recent** past (perhaps in the last 3 months) pay them another visit and be polite and as gentlemanly as possible, which should be common sense. Explain your situation and ask if you can use them as a reference. Give their contact information to the next provider you would like to see, and also notify your good-standing past providers that you have just passed their info on to the next girl and to be on the lookout for a reference request and ask if she could give you a glowing recommendation.
Obviously this will only work if you actually have *maintained* some solid, good relationships with some reputable providers. If you haven't... well, no wonder you're blacklisted.
If I go to a restaurant and the service is lousy, I can't get so much as a glass of water and the when the food shows up it's the wrong fucking order do you think for a moment I am going to pay full price?
Who knows what actually happened in that thirty minutes he spent with the lady in question. He may have been well within his rights to leave without giving her a cent if she was THAT bad, or it could have been simply a matter of no chemistry in which case if he spent 30 minutes with her, he really should be on the hook for the full tab, or a thousand different scenarios in between.
Some people just take the side of the provider in ALL cases, without knowing any of the details, just like some people ALWAYS take the side of the guy. Admit it, you don't have a fucking clue what happened between the two of them, you don't have a fucking clue as to what was "fair" and NONE of us, including TASW are likely to ever know.
Don't be a fucking BSU, at least think before blindly sucking up to the providers POV. There is nothing wrong with taking the ladies side, and that alone does not make one a BSU, but blindly agreeing without either of you knowing a damn thing most definitely makes you a BSU
Why not wake up on the other side of it for once.
TASW automatically asserts that the OP owes for the full two hour session without having a clue as to what actually happened BCD and her little lapdog agreed completely without having a single fact at his disposal too.
NONE of us know exactly what happened. I am not backing the OP as I too don't have a clue as to exactly went down between him and the lady in question, but I am not willing to immediately leap to the conclusion that he owed her for the full session without having a single fact to base it on.
And I thought you had me on ignore?
We do not know why he left. I left one without paying. Showed up, she was stoned and I will not pay for anyone not fully present. Told her so she slapped me I left with every cent. I wasn't there but five minutes but I still left as she was not fit to preform in my mind. I feel paying her a cent would set a bad precedent and I was not going to do it.
So why does a honest and truthful answer mean he woke up on the wrong side of the bed? Assuming ether party was right or wrong given none of us have a clue is absurd. Guys do things all the time justifying a blacklist and that is why they are there. Ladies also misbehave giving just cause for guys to walk and have been known to abuse blacklists like guys abuse reviews and can't be ruled out. So why don't you go back to bed and wake up on a more balanced side?
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Please read my response above. I know your reputation for being an honest and good person and would like to perhaps visit with you one day, but my impression of you is one who would also understand that what transpired was bad, and that a compromise was reached in both instances, where both parties shared loss, even though many would say that I rightfully shouldn't have suffered a loss at all.
And also misusing the BLs the way many do, simply for NCNS. BLs should only be used for the truly dangerous; men who assault, rob, threaten, etc. There are other ways to deal with guys who are just jerks. The good news is the best known BL site has recently been exposed as a fraud. Anyone can post there without even being a member and it's used to settle vendettas. Management there is pulling posts left and right, so their statement that once a post goes up it will never be taken down is a complete lie.
The original poster should not take this so seriously and just move on.
You mean like this? Scroll thru the complaints to read everything ...
Actually except for the fact that Ripoffreport extends well past the hobby, there is very little difference between the two. The biggest similarity being Ripoffreport does no more fact checking than NBL.
Look on the bright side!
There might still be women out there willing to give you a chance even though your name will pop up as a time-wasting cheap bastard with no respect for time.
This is why TER is biased, and completely unresponsive to the the Providers. We do our research, and we provide screening to keep everyone safe, and we pay to have a great time. If it does not work out, that's life - DO NOT short anyone for the agreed upon time.
Its simple, we would not do that if we hired a lawyer by the hour and lose our case, or go to a restaurant where the meal was bad, or a mechanic who does not fix our car - we honor the commitments and choose not to return or re-hire.
At the very least you should have discussed your displeasure with her, and you both could have negotiated a suitable response - making a unilateral decision that suited you only was selfish and not respectful, this is what earned you a blacklist.
This will obviously gain me a number of pile-ons, but like a bad date, I will survive and move on.
We use TER to research, and book those that will meet our needs, so do your research guys, and learn in advance who you are most suitable for. Pay in full, and have fun...
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I don't and won't pay for something that isn't acceptable. I have a certain expectation that when I am "committed" to paying for something...that something has to deliver what I expect!
I trust you've never actually had to use an attorney. If you had..you certainly would see life differently. If an attorney botches up the case...good luck to him/her in getting paid. But saps like you would still pay!
As for bad food/service in a restaurant...shit, even McDonald's won't let you pay for food that isn't what YOU expect. But YOU would pay full fare...let alone at a higher end joint? Pathetic!
Lastly I expect you just take public transit. Why in the hell would anyone pay the mechanic to NOT fix your car?
I guess that's why there's crap out there...which continues to be crap. People like you are too damn afraid to tell the person that it's not acceptable.
You unfortunately are an unwitting accomplice in this game as well. You'll still pay someone to not perform. I'll bet you'd also write a 10/10 for fear of retribution?
Its simple, we would not do that if we hired a lawyer by the hour and lose our case, or go to a restaurant where the meal was bad, or a mechanic who does not fix our car - we honor the commitments and choose not to return or re-hire.
At the very least you should have discussed your displeasure with her, and you both could have negotiated a suitable response - making a unilateral decision that suited you only was selfish and not respectful, this is what earned you a blacklist.
This will obviously gain me a number of pile-ons, but like a bad date, I will survive and move on.
We use TER to research, and book those that will meet our needs, so do your research guys, and learn in advance who you are most suitable for. Pay in full, and have fun...
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You pay for bad food, and a mechanic to jot fix your car?? Sounds like you have a problem.
1) If a provider does not do her part of a session, do you feel it is right for a monger to always get stuck paying the full bill?
She always has the opportunity to say no thank you, here is your money back. I have had experience with a highly reviewed provider that actually just laid there, and I decided to leave early without refund for the rest of the time agreed upon, yet if I asked for some of the money back I am considered the bad guy. Granted that seems to be the rule, but it doesn't make it right.
2) Do you assume that every blacklisted monger deserves to be on that list?
At the rate of manhating comments I have witnessed on these boards, it makes me wonder if not every monger isn't on some website blacklist.
3) Have you not ever fired a contractor for not fulfilling their end of an agreement and withheld part of the payment?
Even with a written contract, a contractor's failure to perform his part of the contract in the case of not finishing the job, does not entitle said contractor to full payment. I personally do not like to relate what we do here with things in the outside world like buying a ticket to see a movie, but there it is.
I hope you do not take my post as a negative. I am just curious what you think and do in these circumstances. Thank you.
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Sorry, but I respectfully disagree. When you make the statement that "No matter how bad things unfolded once you arrived at your appointment you had already made a financial commitment to her and that needs to be honored" you are wrong. Should I show up to find a women so drunk or high she is unable to perform adequately I'm obligated to pay her anyway? Should I show up to find her having laid out some blow for us "to enjoy" I'm obligated to pay her? Should I show up to find a b & s situation, or up-selling, I'm obligated to pay her? I don't think so!!
And I agree with Gambler that none of us really know what happened and so I didm't reply to the OP. But your statement that I've quoted above, or your first paragraph alluding that no matter who was right or wrong the man is still on the hook for paying is bullshit.
Regards.....RR
Boy, you are quite hard on me, but I understand where you are coming from. The one experience where I left was that where she was high on something. She was 30 minutes late already with me and then said, "you're going to leave at 9:00, right?", which was only 90 minutes from then. So she had already blown off 30 minutes of my scheduled time, and she left the room after 30 minutes, like we were done, to go to where? I do not know. So, what would you have done?
The other lady who showed up at my door, was not the person on her web site. I explained that I was not interested, but offered an hour's of donation for her time, which she accepted. A compromise is a gentlemanly way of acting, which this was. Would you pay for anything you receive which was something you did not order, let alone pay 50%.
It's an illegal underground business. Unfortunately, the majority of the guys who see hookers are lapdogs. If you are telling the truth you did the "right" thing from a moral standpoint. However this is not a moral business.
It's too late now but here is how it should have been handled. Let them win the first battle (your hard earned money). Win the war by hiring a PI to tail them. Don't be afraid to out them or set them up for all kinds of legal hassles. Don't take credit for it. They won't even know why it happened. That's how you handle rip offs.
I too have been burned by girls who only have 2-3 hour sessions to start with. It's like football tickets. Most games are out of hand by the fourth quarter. You can't go to the ticket office and ask for your money back because it was a lousy game after the 3rd quarter. Hell, there are times when I've left by half time but I never got my ticket money back.
Buy the ticket, take the ride.
Actually happened twice in 5 years. Do I give her a review with a 1 for performance or let it slide ( I did ) because she had issues and is a fucking human like MOST of us.
Gotta agree.... lord help me. I don't think the OP should have been blacklisted, but I do think when you book x amount of time, you pay the full freight or take a hike before she sucks your d*ck. I mean, cmon. If you cum in 2 minutes and she's a one and done provider, you don't get a refund.
Is her incall located inside the monger's car by chance?
Look if it was because she sucked at sucking or he finished early of course he should have paid in full. But what if he has hard boundaries he warned her of like everything covered and she failed to comply? That is on her. Or what if she was on her special time of the month and didn't warn him and do to legit safety reasons could not do what he paid for? That too is on her. There is situations when he would be in the right to leave. Normally when you buy a movie ticket once the movie starts no refund, but if the sound cuts out mid way you better believe there will be a refund and justly so. But if the reason you bolt early is the movie blows your stuck paying full rate. Hooking is no different.
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hort and to the point. Regardless of the reason if you agree to pay for the time, it's on YOU. Perhaps a little more research would have saved him from the mess.
And I suppose you pay contractors for shoddy work that you have to have redone too. It is only on me if she holds up her end.
And people call me a magina. I wonder how people live without spines, I really do.
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but I could not possibly agree with you more. Paying for a ROB, a B&S, or simply a drugged out hooker unable to conduct her business only encourages more of the same.
What ever happened to "don't encourage bad behavior"
Let's go back to the restaurant analogy, what if you go to a restaurant EVERYTHING sucks, but somehow you choke down the appetizer anyhow, but have to draw the line at the main course. An asshole like me might refuse to leave a single fucking penny, but a more "understanding" (weak) person might decide that since they did actually eat the appetizer that they should pay for it, but that since the main course was so unappetizing and was returned uneaten that they would simply pay for what they did eat, even though it sucked, and call it a day.
Sorry, but the donation is paid UPFRONT, not after service has started so none of this matters. Now, if her period started in the middle of it, a concession should be made of course... that is just common courtesy. My thing is this... I don't charge for my time... I charge for the act of being alone in a room with a total stranger, naked. I have a minimum rate whether he stays for 20 minutes or the full two hours... the rate is to get in the door, period.
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I don't pay upfront. I know others who also subscribe to that mantra.
I have never ever shorted a hooker. BUT...if she simply couldn't/wouldn't deliver the goods...I can promise you that I wouldn't drop a nickel on her.
I totally disagree that the "rate is to get in the door, period"!!!!
The only thing that hookers are selling here is sex. If this has changed I didn't get the memo. And please don't regurgitate the "for companionship only" crap that some put on their sites. Talk about an easy argument for any prosecutor to show why the defendant is guilty.
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If a guy won't pay me up-front, he will get booted out the door & blacklisted so fast he won't even have time to blink first. I am not a crap restaurant, a crap mechanic, a movie theater (shout-out to everyone who totally missed the entire point of that analogy, by the way). Hell, I'm not even close to being a crap-provider, but you sure do sound like the client from hell.
When YOU are the one providing the service, then YOU can decide whether the rate is to get in the door or not. As business-owners, professionals, and service providers, WE reserve the right to set our boundaries, policies, etc.
Many civvie businesses out there will choose to refund or comp products/services for unsatisfied customers, however not all of them will, and they reserve the right to do so. MANY businesses out there have a strict no-refund, no-return, no-exchange policy. MANY businesses out there even have you pre-pay then charge you the entire fee up front for missed appointments or for not canceling within x amount of hours prior (Not sure how many of you have ever tried booking at a high-end salon...) If a customer at one of those businesses is not satisfied, they can turn to review sites and share their experiences to let others know not to fall into the same situation. They can report to the BBB, even.
But the business-owner has the right to set their own policies in all cases. Ultimately, the customer can let their choice to not return speak for itself.
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AND if the hooker in question had demanded payment up front, as sketchy as he makes her seem, I would have turned around and walked on the spot, and for the record, I have done just that on more than one occasion.
but let me add the disclaimer. We don't KNOW for certain how things went down BCD between the two of them, you are jumping to the same conclusions as a couple of the other hookers and doing so with no real facts to base it on. You are identifying with the hooker knowing "You would never do such a thing" while the guys find it easier to identify with the john thinking "fuck no, I wouldn't pay for two hours either"
Also you don't conduct your business the same way as all hookers anymore than I conduct business the same as all johns. There are a relatively few hookers who have a two hour walking in the door minimum as you do, thankfully so because I refuse to see such women.
No one is disputing that. Just like fast food. Now with fast food I have gotten food that was uneatable even by a guy who literally got his meal out of a dumpster before. I complained and got my money back when that happened. Just saying.
And London, I like you but you are being silly. Lets look at your site:
"2 full hours of GFE bliss- $700 PSE- $900"
Sure does seem like you are offering more than getting in the door. Given a time length is given you are selling your time and given you offer two levels of service you are offering certain activities. Or you are guilty of false advertisement. I really doubt that given you reviews. So quite being silly.
Using your movie reference. If the movie blows and you left early you are not entitled to a dime of a reimbursement. But if the sound cuts off part way. You are entitled to every penny back. Just saying it is on the lady if she fails to deliver.
If the guy leaves early because of something on his end like he is done, no chemistry, he doesn't like how you suck cock that is on him, he's wife needs him to go right home or whatever. But even you admit if it is on you (like your period starts mid session) concessions should be made. Some ladies I have heard stories work knowing full well they are on the rag and don't let the guy know until they are both nude. I had the misfortune of seeing a lady I later found out was working with an STD to bad I didn't walk out but I didn't know. Thank God for condoms.
Not ladies are at all honorable or courteous. After all we all heard stories of ladies smelling down there and just like similar stories about us guys they all can't be BS. There are plenty of reasons he can rightfully demand a refund in full or in part in the first 30 minutes or so. I often like to talk a bit before play after all and I am likely not the only one. It may be thirty minute before I get a sniff. We don't know why he left.
Most of the time I will agree the lady is entitled to her full fee, but not always. You basically conceded that. I will admit if she was ready, willing and able it was wrong for him to walk out with part of the donation. We just don't know that that was the case.
Not knowing I am not condemning ether side. His blacklisting could be fully justified for walking off with part of her donation for what ever reason on his end. But she could have been at fault and he was justified in his actions and the Blacklist is unearned. I don't know and London you don't ether.
Similarly sometime a lady is entitled to the full donation if she calls it early. For example she gets ready to go down on him takes a sniff and notices tracks from his ass on her bed sheets. She has every right to throw his ass out and keep the whole damn donation in that case even if she never touched him and he is out the door shortly after entering. It does work both ways. Good thing I wash my ass before I leave and when I get there. LOL. There are time you are justified in keeping the whole donation despite your throwing his ass out early. That does not mean you are not selling your time and services.
And London, I like you but you are being silly. Lets look at your site:
"2 full hours of GFE bliss- $700 PSE- $900"
Sure does seem like you are offering more than getting in the door. Given a time length is given you are selling your time and given you offer two levels of service you are offering certain activities. Or you are guilty of false advertisement. I really doubt that given you reviews. So quite being silly.
Using your movie reference. If the movie blows and you left early you are not entitled to a dime of a reimbursement. But if the sound cuts off part way. You are entitled to every penny back. Just saying it is on the lady if she fails to deliver.
If the guy leaves early because of something on his end like he is done, no chemistry, he doesn't like how you suck cock that is on him, he's wife needs him to go right home or whatever. But even you admit if it is on you (like your period starts mid session) concessions should be made.
Most of the time I will agree the lady is entitled to her full fee, but not always. You basically conceded that. I will admit if she was ready, willing and able it was wrong for him to walk out with part of the donation. We just don't know that that was the case.
Not knowing I am not condemning ether side. His blacklisting could be fully justified for walking off with part of her donation for what ever reason on his end. But she could have been at fault and he was justified in his actions and the Blacklist is unearned. I don't know and London you don't ether.
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You are talking about EXTREME situations. Obviously if a girl is flooding on her period you have a right to complain and ask for a refund. That's like a baseball game that can not be played because of bad weather. You get a rain check.
The OP just said that the girls were not up to HIS expectations. It's not the same thing.
He said the one girl was "acting so abnormally" he walked 30 minutes into the session and the other one was not "up to his expectations" which most of us would interpret to be some kind of B&S and that he did not go through with the session, yet still gave her half her fee. He's a lot more generous than me. If the woman answering the door is not the woman in the pics, or if its her 30 lbs and ten years later, she isn't getting a penny out of me. Tell me I'm wrong.
I completely agree that "acting abnormally" is such a broad statement as to be almost meaningless.
and of course even if the OP would come back and clarify his words, we'd still only have his side of the story, so any advice we could give him would obviously be flawed if he was not 100% honest with us. and is anyone EVER 100% honest in cases like this?
With out that we have not bases to ether condemn him or defend him. He could have been 100% right to walk with some of his money or 100% wrong to leave with a dime of it. We wasn't there no one gave us any detail. We don't even have a full one side of the story let alone both. And ever case I brought up I can point to a real life case of. Not that extreme, especially for those that troll low end ladies without reviews. Stuff I brought up is mild compared to some of the tails I have heard. You are assuming a whole lot. As is Gambler. We know nothing about what happened. Nothing.
OTM was putting words into the OP mouth, I was simply removing them and offering a different possible meaning to the OP's words. I am hardly assuming anything, except for the FACT that we simply don't know.
I will say, my scenario from reading the OP is a LOT more likely, but I am certainly no mind reader and I assume nothing.
The only time you can walk out is BEFORE anything happens. I may be "one and done " but it's a long "one and done. If you agreed on a 2 hour session it's on YOU not her.
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