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Some ladies set rates to trap themselves into not having a choice, but to be low volume.
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And they do so intentionally. There is a tad bit of strategy for some.

Whatever slows the calls down without compromising what a lady chooses to put out there. All for the goal of a non-escort goal. Some ladies have to be low volume, but even if they only put up one photo they are so hot the phone will still ring. At that point, what else can they do but set a multi hour minimum or raise rates.

Far as what we say in our ads, I stopped saying low volume in bold, underline and italicized font, because it varies. Plus, I've learned that no matter what you say no one will believe you anyway unless the perception you put out there confirms it. Low volume providers don't need to yell that they are low volume. Its pretty obvious if they are.

What is low volume anyway? Exactly. Everyone's idea varies.

Bob.Sugar1855 reads

I see that more often now than ever.  I take that to mean she is a 2 hour min hooker.

I've yet to see any hooker screen out the dudes who have the dough.  

I guess if it keeps the one hour johns away, then it serves a purpose.

GaGambler647 reads

Just like the ads that say "This is not an offer for prostitution" are true as well, aren't they?

Since I am actually looking for a prostitute when reading such ads, I simply skip over them since they clearly state that they don't offer what I am looking for, please don't tell me that I am missing out on actual hookers by not responding to those ads.

Bob.Sugar580 reads

I guess having my highly paid assistants doing the reading of those sites might have something to do with this.  I just tell them that I'd like someone like "this" show up...and voila...there she is.

I never considered that she might be a prostitute.

I don't usually see anyone for more than an hour.

Could survive longer than an hour with you.

I don't suggest dinner dates in public either.

 
I got fresh balls though.

JoelGoodsen699 reads

... and then chase every ISO up and down the coast.  Go figure.

Bob.Sugar714 reads

I might think that they're prostitutes otherwise.  And would just see anyone.

Posted By: JoelGoodsen
... and then chase every ISO up and down the coast.  Go figure.

GaGambler521 reads

I bet you there are a LOT of hookers who are low volume simply because they can't attract business.  As for "I'm very particular" HEY, I explained the first half of your question. I'll let you answer the second half. lol

And they do so intentionally. There is a tad bit of strategy for some.

Whatever slows the calls down without compromising what a lady chooses to put out there. All for the goal of a non-escort goal. Some ladies have to be low volume, but even if they only put up one photo they are so hot the phone will still ring. At that point, what else can they do but set a multi hour minimum or raise rates.

Far as what we say in our ads, I stopped saying low volume in bold, underline and italicized font, because it varies. Plus, I've learned that no matter what you say no one will believe you anyway unless the perception you put out there confirms it. Low volume providers don't need to yell that they are low volume. Its pretty obvious if they are.

What is low volume anyway? Exactly. Everyone's idea varies.

Bob.Sugar483 reads

To some low volume might be once a year...others it's only one guy a day.

However a gal being "particular" rings hollow.  Unless some gal is going to spend days/weeks getting to know the prospect....at no charge of course...she would have no way to know otherwise what type of guy he really is BCD.  Sure she can ask around...but that is not much different than what the guys do.  And as always...YMMV.

Advertising is not an exact science.  You throw stuff out there...see who replies.  And sometimes it's a win-win.
 

Posted By: Jordan_Carter
And they do so intentionally. There is a tad bit of strategy for some.  
   
 Whatever slows the calls down without compromising what a lady chooses to put out there. All for the goal of a non-escort goal. Some ladies have to be low volume, but even if they only put up one photo they are so hot the phone will still ring. At that point, what else can they do but set a multi hour minimum or raise rates.  
   
 Far as what we say in our ads, I stopped saying low volume in bold, underline and italicized font, because it varies. Plus, I've learned that no matter what you say no one will believe you anyway unless the perception you put out there confirms it. Low volume providers don't need to yell that they are low volume. Its pretty obvious if they are.  
   
 What is low volume anyway? Exactly. Everyone's idea varies.

Like I said, I've failed with the hollow "I'm particular" statement. I've identified what caused me to fail (I'm sure its identical to other ladies *cough* *cough* same day requests and getting used to meeting with minimal pre-date talks), now all I can do is work on the pre-date part. No matter how much I'm used to how I have done things, acting on being selective is more rewarding to both parties than it being a hollow statement. Actions. Hit or miss chemistry isn't enough for me at this point.

I recently incorporated some "get to know" to the pre-meeting part and had an explosive date this week. Needless to say, I'm excited about these changes. A girlfriend of mine who is UTR at this time gave me shit for not doing so, so I did, and I'm going to surprise her with a gift. The date was that rewarding for me and it was only a 90 min date.

We all have to find out how to make that hollow statement ring true.

 
On a sidenote: I hope that other women that this applies to are reading this. I realize it doesn't apply to all. Sometimes we are really close to delivering what we promise in our ads (meaning the reputation, reviews, quality of service are there), but we miss out on that one thing that can yield a fulfilling connection.

Sorry for the long post Mr. Sugar. I know you have your estate and bedroom sized safe to attend to.

Bob.Sugar869 reads

She's hoping that with the incredible talents that Bob.Sugar has I'll be able to help her career along

Yes, exactly. When I started in the biz, I could have easily seen 8 guys a week at the rate I was charging...now, more like 8 a month if that. Location matters as well... a NYC gal charging 500 an hour may still be able to see 10-12 guys a week at that rate, where a gal from North Carolina  charging the same thing might not even get half that.

When I got into this, I started by emphasizing a connection. Why? It was what was missing in my life. I had everything else, including the money.

The mention of being "particular" was a shot at capturing the attention of men who wanted some chemistry.

Turns out, most of us want chemistry and that one liner alone isn't going to solve the issue. Which may be why 2 hour minimums are set. Not to filter out guys who don't understand the woman's chemistry desire, but primarily to be taken more seriously. As well as allowed the time to connect mentally and play. Connect mentally sounds deep, but my point is 2hrs gives room to laugh, play, get to know, etc.  

I've failed to consistently be particular and am making the adjustments as a summer project. One thing for sure is that some of us can, those who emphasize being particular, do a better job at "filtering." Some ladies have reached that optimal point already. There are reasons we who aren't consistent don't always stick to it and I honestly in my heart don't think its because of money. There's a learning curve that I would blame.

No matter what it is or isn't all about, this is a pay for play industry.
When the chemistry is right, its right. No harm no foul in wanting that.  

No matter what, there are some ladies that are good at identifying the chemistry before meeting. Once that learning curve is achieved, they strategically go for it. No harm in that in my book.  

She could just take down her site and not be available to men that are OK with that. However there are men who are OK with and turned on by that. Much like some men are ok with and turned on by a lady that charges $1,000 or more per hour.

 
I'm outside looking in on a lot of these things (2hr mins, etc) much like you guys. As I mature, learn more, I understand now that its not always just about the money, but it is what it is....this is a pay for play industry. Men trust she will be discreet and willing in exchange for money. Women set up their own protocol so that they are happy with what they do. The guy likes it or he doesn't.

Baskin Robbins 31 Flavors. There is something for everyone. No reason guys should throw a ladies protocol under the bus. No reason ladies should be complaining all day. If we keep it fun, it stays fun. I think that is all of our goals.

If you can get it, get it!

I don't need to hear about the wants of other men, or the whys you offer a certain amount of time.

+1

Posted By: Jordan_Carter
No matter what it is or isn't all about, this is a pay for play industry.  
 When the chemistry is right, its right. No harm no foul in wanting that.  
   
 No matter what, there are some ladies that are good at identifying the chemistry before meeting. Once that learning curve is achieved, they strategically go for it. No harm in that in my book.  
   
 She could just take down her site and not be available to men that are OK with that. However there are men who are OK with and turned on by that. Much like some men are ok with and turned on by a lady that charges $1,000 or more per hour.  
   
   
 I'm outside looking in on a lot of these things (2hr mins, etc) much like you guys. As I mature, learn more, I understand now that its not always just about the money, but it is what it is....this is a pay for play industry. Men trust she will be discreet and willing in exchange for money. Women set up their own protocol so that they are happy with what they do. The guy likes it or he doesn't.  
   
 Baskin Robbins 31 Flavors. There is something for everyone. No reason guys should throw a ladies protocol under the bus. No reason ladies should be complaining all day. If we keep it fun, it stays fun. I think that is all of our goals.

Bob.Sugar636 reads

I asked my crack financial team and they tell me it's $ 300.

Go figure!

Posted By: GaGambler
I am not judging, just stating the obvious.

I only want to pay for one, but we can still laugh, play, and get to know one another.

 
I think ladies do the 2 hour or what ever amount of time only for the money, good for anyone who can get it.

.......as well as statements like "only upscale gentlemen" the type of value and importance that they really merit - NONE.

Bob.Sugar604 reads

she advertised "only upscale ladies"?

I do believe there is a gentrification of HookerLand happening.  

Posted By: lopaw
.......as well as statements like "only upscale gentlemen" the type of value and importance that they really merit - NONE.

GaGambler538 reads

Funny, I have a lesbian friend who throws around money worse than any of my guy friends. She won't anyone pick up a check while she is around, and has even gone so far when I have prepaid a tab KNOWING that it's the only way to "get their first" I have had the waitress come back with my credit card uncharged when we were ready to leave, explaining that my friend INSISTED on paying and that she was more scared of her, than me. Well scared in a good way I suppose. lol

and out of how many?

Women don't like spending money, that's why they date.

 
Maybe a more masculine lesbian would throw money around, but feminine ladies are frugal except when it comes to their own expenses and other peoples money.

....what you know about women in general and lesbians in particular would fit up a gnat's ass.

Where the cheapest hotels, fights, and other amenities are.  

 
Do tell me that lesbians aren't like straight women.

Yes lesbians share plenty of the same qualities that straight women do. But paying for sex with hot ladies usually isn't one of them.
And I for one don't go cheap on playdates. If I did I wouldn't be here on TER but instead on BP or CL. If you are going to dabble in a hobby like this you might as well get the most out of it, and that comes at a price that I am more than willing to spend. No sales or coupons allowed.

Well said

Posted By: GaGambler
Funny, I have a lesbian friend who throws around money worse than any of my guy friends. She won't anyone pick up a check while she is around, and has even gone so far when I have prepaid a tab KNOWING that it's the only way to "get their first" I have had the waitress come back with my credit card uncharged when we were ready to leave, explaining that my friend INSISTED on paying and that she was more scared of her, than me. Well scared in a good way I suppose. lol

I knew if I stayed on TER long enough, I would find ONE.

And now I did.

Bob.Sugar416 reads

She's had a couple of janes hit her up...and those janes didn't haggle.

I think maybe we need to do a book for the janes now!  

Posted By: JackDunphy
I knew if I stayed on TER long enough, I would find ONE.  
   
 And now I did.

That could be a helluva book....especially if you include illustrations  :D

The lesbian book I am working on with Bob will have no illustrations.  

It will, however, have about 400 hi-res pics. :D

Lol then I REALLY wouldn't believe it! :D

meanwhile the pro has 125+ reviews on TER and tours the States like she's about to face deportation and the American girls average 20 clients a week. AVERAGE

I am particular :)

I don’t mind 1hr clients, I actually think these are great! Keeps the suspense going in the arrangement.  It’s the one-timers, collectors and out of towners I’m not so fond of…but then that’s because I prefer arrangements.

Many of my clients are repeats and I often say no to new screenings based on job title, race/socio-economic background, location and or referrals.  
I have a physical type that I like and prefer to be around a man with a few common interests to my own…
Weight has not come up, but I’m not surprised. Americans (esp Californians) are ‘look-ist,’ and I don’t see a lot of companies or middle management run by overweight people.  

If anything, my clients tend to be eerily similar- healthy, wealthy, disciplined, clean, well mannered and middle-upper class. Handsome.
Strangely enough, the better looking they are, the nicer they tend to be, too.
It’s usually the runts that have the prickliest of personalities.

I have to discriminate.
I require work verification for all my clients, but I am especially weary of anyone under 34 and non white. Unfortunately, they are put under more scrutiny during screening and communication is key.
I don’t care about being politically correct when it comes to my physical safety and well being.  And unfortunately, stereotypes are often more true than not…  
Luckily, most of the men who screen with me provide their work info. rather than referrals from their other Providers.  So, no biggie…

*Also, if I don’t like the way a client does something, or if he fails to do something important for me- he talks too much, is clingy, draining, bad in ^&*, etc… it’s too much of a drain of energy. It’s not a match.

At the end of the day, I don’t really make money of one timers. It’s my repeats that keep me interested and in business. I do my best to earn and keep their business.  

I prefer getting a msg from someone I genuinely have chemistry with- knowing I am going to enjoy a wholly satisfying session with them- it’s wonderful…

So, yes- I am particular and thanks to my Peeps, I can afford to be

Bob.Sugar693 reads

It's entry level...but plenty of upward mobility for a go-getter like yourself.

We do have great benefits as well.

We don't discriminate however.  The only thing we have a problem with are people who do.  

When opportunity knocks...we always answer the door.  

Good luck to you in all your future endeavors.

Posted By: AlyssaHille
I am particular :)  
   
 I don’t mind 1hr clients, I actually think these are great! Keeps the suspense going in the arrangement.  It’s the one-timers, collectors and out of towners I’m not so fond of…but then that’s because I prefer arrangements.  
   
 Many of my clients are repeats and I often say no to new screenings based on job title, race/socio-economic background, location and or referrals.  
 I have a physical type that I like and prefer to be around a man with a few common interests to my own…  
 Weight has not come up, but I’m not surprised. Americans (esp Californians) are ‘look-ist,’ and I don’t see a lot of companies or middle management run by overweight people.  
   
 If anything, my clients tend to be eerily similar- healthy, wealthy, disciplined, clean, well mannered and middle-upper class. Handsome.  
 Strangely enough, the better looking they are, the nicer they tend to be, too.  
 It’s usually the runts that have the prickliest of personalities.  
   
 I have to discriminate.  
 I require work verification for all my clients, but I am especially weary of anyone under 34 and non white. Unfortunately, they are put under more scrutiny during screening and communication is key.  
 I don’t care about being politically correct when it comes to my physical safety and well being.  And unfortunately, stereotypes are often more true than not…  
 Luckily, most of the men who screen with me provide their work info. rather than referrals from their other Providers.  So, no biggie…  
   
 *Also, if I don’t like the way a client does something, or if he fails to do something important for me- he talks too much, is clingy, draining, bad in ^&*, etc… it’s too much of a drain of energy. It’s not a match.  
   
 At the end of the day, I don’t really make money of one timers. It’s my repeats that keep me interested and in business. I do my best to earn and keep their business.  
   
 I prefer getting a msg from someone I genuinely have chemistry with- knowing I am going to enjoy a wholly satisfying session with them- it’s wonderful…  
   
 So, yes- I am particular and thanks to my Peeps, I can afford to be.  
 

Yeah, I wouldn't rush to open EVERYONE'S door....

It's not good form.

But thanks

LOL
*Collectors, a term I use.
A guy who has a whole bunch of referrals on the boards- ie he sees a lot of different girls in a short period of time. ie 3 a month or more
Is relevant info to me, because it can mean a few things:
Best case scenario
1. hes having fun trying out different flowers in the garden  
      Medium
2. High maintenance esp in my case if they are lower rate  
or, worst case
3. He’s a reject; women won’t see him for 2nd date. There is something very very wrong with him…
all his dates are first dates.

COLLECTOR

thanks for the enlightenment btw. I probably see more than 3 ladies a month and if you check my p411 you'll see possibly several ok's a month. But you'll have no idea when I first saw the gal. For example, my last ok was from a lady seen almost 3 years ago and I've probably seen here 15-18X in that span. How would you know? Would you automatically toss me in the category of "collector?" I'll probably lose sleep tonight if you're answer is "yes." JK.  

I already have Bob Sugar routinely mocking me publicly and privately for paying gals to eat and sleep on a regular basis. But I'm not as rich and powerful as he is with a staff to manage a regular am, afternoon and eve rotation. I surely don't want to be pilloried for being both things. Can you understand my concern here?

Btw I love LA girls.

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With the way  everyone throws around all the marketing slogans I think they all have become worthless.  

I simply try to reflect my personality in my ads and my likeness in my photos. Hopefully that will spark your interest and if you are looking for any particular qualities you can find out when we communicate.  
Anyone can pay someone to write an ad saying they are well educated and can acclimate to any environment, but when you start to communicate and you can barley decipher what she is saying and she is planning on wearing her new stripper heels and a fishnet mini to a Broadway play chances are she's full of it. When you send a couple of wasteful or rude communications and stop getting a reply you should be able to tell she has some standards.

I was actually discussing this w someone w last night. I feel my (everyone's) marketing and price will set certain expectations. When I show up I feel I should show that I will meet all those expectations within the first few min of our meeting. It's frustrating that so many of you guys have to be worried (sometimes w good reason) about turning away someone who falcly advertised.  I spoke to someone who would say something came up w him and he can't do the appointment and give the girl 100 if she wasn't what she was supposed to be. He was afraid of her retaliating if he told her its was because she wasnt what he was expecting. If the girls who used some of these terms way too loosley kept getting sent home empty handed maybe they would stop. Then maybe some terms would regain their value and make everyone's life easier.

I agree with you that the guys should send these fraudsters home, but I don't think there is much thinking going on when the Hobbyist is hungry and the door swings open-
Wart Hog or not-...He's getting it...

And that's why these ppl stay in business.

Maybe ask Bob.Sugar what he would do, he is generous and accepting...
He doesn't discriminate..

Bob.Sugar378 reads

And I trust you're OK with my discussing your bigotry in a review.

Which would hurt your scores here...nothing uglier than bigotry.

I sure hope you have an exit strategy.  But given your entitlement mentality...I trust there is none.

Good luck...you will be needing lots of it in life.

My offer for that entry level position is summarily revoked.  We don't discriminate here...but we also can't tolerate intolerance!

Posted By: AlyssaHille
I agree with you that the guys should send these fraudsters home, but I don't think there is much thinking going on when the Hobbyist is hungry and the door swings open-  
 Wart Hog or not-...He's getting it...  
   
 And that's why these ppl stay in business.  
   
 Maybe ask Bob.Sugar what he would do, he is generous and accepting...  
 He doesn't discriminate...  
   
 

I'm not a bigot.  
I earn my business, not by trickery but hard work and by being humble.

I thought this banter was in jest, obviously, you are taking it very seriously.
If I have offended you or anyone else-  
I apologize

Bob.Sugar501 reads

Opportunity comes in many forms.

When people discriminate, they perpetuate bigotry.

Yeah...that's a serious issue in the world.

Posted By: AlyssaHille
I'm not a bigot.  
 I earn my business, not by trickery but hard work and by being humble.  
   
 I thought this banter was in jest, obviously, you are taking it very seriously.  
 If I have offended you or anyone else-    
 I apologize.  
   
   
   
   
   
   
 

I am a woman of color, I understand very well the feeling of having people want to categorize me because of the color of my skin...
I can understand how my remarks might have hurt you or anyone reading them.

Again, I apologize for being insensitive.

Yes there are a lot of men that think w the wrong head but I have also talked to quite a few men who have went through the thought process of what to do w a date that was not as advertised. Out of probably more then 20 only 2 have told her that was the issue. It's sad that guys are that worried...
Though your probably rite even if all the men who went through the thought process said something its only a small percentage compared to the guys who don't think or care till they are done.

Posted By: AlyssaHille
I agree with you that the guys should send these fraudsters home, but I don't think there is much thinking going on when the Hobbyist is hungry and the door swings open-  
 Wart Hog or not-...He's getting it...  
   
 And that's why these ppl stay in business.  
   
 Maybe ask Bob.Sugar what he would do, he is generous and accepting...  
 He doesn't discriminate...  
   
 

How right you are.   Very well put and yes, there have been many times I have seen things noted on their website or P411, where once we meet it doesn't take long for me to go 'huh?'   I don't care if or where someone went to college, whether they're passport ready of never left their hometown, but what I do care about is a little less deception.  Lying I am good with as I accept it as part of the hobby; but deception is another story lol.

Posted By: Tylor
With the way  everyone throws around all the marketing slogans I think they all have become worthless.  
   
 I simply try to reflect my personality in my ads and my likeness in my photos. Hopefully that will spark your interest and if you are looking for any particular qualities you can find out when we communicate.  
 Anyone can pay someone to write an ad saying they are well educated and can acclimate to any environment, but when you start to communicate and you can barley decipher what she is saying and she is planning on wearing her new stripper heels and a fishnet mini to a Broadway play chances are she's full of it. When you send a couple of wasteful or rude communications and stop getting a reply you should be able to tell she has some standards.  
   
 I was actually discussing this w someone w last night. I feel my (everyone's) marketing and price will set certain expectations. When I show up I feel I should show that I will meet all those expectations within the first few min of our meeting. It's frustrating that so many of you guys have to be worried (sometimes w good reason) about turning away someone who falcly advertised.  I spoke to someone who would say something came up w him and he can't do the appointment and give the girl 100 if she wasn't what she was supposed to be. He was afraid of her retaliating if he told her its was because she wasnt what he was expecting. If the girls who used some of these terms way too loosley kept getting sent home empty handed maybe they would stop. Then maybe some terms would regain their value and make everyone's life easier.

She emailed me back that she didn't know any of the ladies I used as references asked if I had any others. Sadly at the time the answer was no as I had just got an all is good after some major health issues that knocked me out of the hobby for the most part (I seen a few favorites who would understand some of the issues my health caused) the previous few years. A year latter we hooked up as I seen some more ladies and she knew them. It happens.

But I think with anything, if you have to repeat it over and over, it loses meaning.

Do you even know what kind of emails we get? lol! Being financially stable enough to ignore the ones who can't be bothered to type a whole sentence, set an appointment up within 20 emails, or who pop up on blacklists can move a lady into the "very particular" zone very quickly, depending on where she is and the type of market she's dealing with. Not everyone is lucky enough to be able to do that, but almost everyone has a line where they'll say "no... not even for the money", and you would be surprised how often that situation comes up before an appointment is even set.  
 
Beyond some of the emails that make you question the entire male gender, there's also just flat out screening. Again, depending on the market, you're going to have at least a few people who think that simply having cash is enough to see you, making that group fall out of the "Potential client" category before they send even the first time wasting email. And when you factor in all the different ways screening can be handled, it's pretty obvious that a woman can be more or less particular about who she meets. Some want you to call on the phone and promise you're not a cop, some want even more than employment verification. This alone makes your comment "I've yet to see any hooker screen out the dudes who have the dough" very confusing. You're either offering her that full time job from a few months ago up front, or playing in very different fields than you've been telling us ;-)  
 
And then of course there is the behavior in appointments. Some women won't even see you if they hear that you like face slapping, are high energy, enjoy role play, are extremely overweight, or over or under a certain age. Those are all examples of women being picky about who they meet with. Some are even particular enough that they will kick you out for bad behavior. Again, not everyone is lucky enough to be in this position, but showing up cash in hand isn't even a guarantee when you think about it. Some can and will ask you to behave like a gentleman or get out of their sight.  
 
The above is mostly educational, not necessarily directed at anyone in particular. This just seems to be a very common misconception - that if you have cash, you can kind of behave however you want. Sure, you may be able to get away with a little more than with your wife or civilian girlfriend, but if you think you're going to rest on that excuse for much, then you're going to be stuck in the dregs of back page almost as fast as a bait-and-switch girl.  
 
You, Sug, are light trolling, I know. But you're throwing some very particular shade lately for someone who never has trouble flashing the cash and getting the girl ;-)

That's seems wildly illogical and hateful actually.

I dont cast a net on even a much smaller group i.e. "hookers" because a few of them may be BSC.

Why the need for a sexist, male bashing post?

Some people around here seem to have one, and you sure do spend enough time on here for it to rub off, so what's the deal?  

You have literally zero room to say ANYTHING about generalizations or sexist stereotypes on this board, so as always, kindly go do what others won't for yourself.

Sorry it is lost on you.  

But you are back peddling off the male bashing very quickly, so I'll give you credit there

There was no male bashing. Sorry the voices in your head are so distracting :-(

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