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Surprisingly, a lot of escorts aren't really hookers at all...
Superstar! 594 reads
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Maybe they have a "real life" and once or twice a month they see a client who really interacts with them more like a boyfriend than a wham bam...  Maybe the guy always spends the night with her or maybe takes her along on his vacations, and they have a real relationship that can go on for years.  Both people are emotionally stable but just have a very honest defined boundaries.  It's just another side of this hobby that some people don't know about, that goes beyond a guy picking up a hooker for something sleazy and cheap.

ismellturkey1944 reads

I just received an email being cussed out from a client because I was allegedly leading him on during the appointment.... I am not GFE whatsoever to avoid that chaos to begin with. I totally regret seeing him now and will be documenting his emails for ter to view in case he decide's to get crazy since I didn't want to see him for free and be his girlfriend after the 1st and final appointment. Ughhhh please do not confuse the two boys.....this is entertainment, it is pure fun and not a match making website.  

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If I were to show up to a appointment and she looked nothing like her photos, like most of the match dates I encountered, I'd do the same thing I did with the match deciever's, I'd leave.

ismellturkey1022 reads

Confused what you are talking about...but this is a man who wanted to keep meeting for free after the session and thought we had a connection with multiple emails stating how much he liked me throughout the rest of the night he was gone?? Like I said, it is not a dating website but a certainly fun site to meet ladies on. Just a friendly reminder to all... That is all I wanted to say.

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what I was attempting to convey is thank goodness this is not match.com, as the vast majority of women in match post photos that are not representative of them, either 10-15 year old photos or someone completely different. The instances of which I met match ladies that misrepresented themselves with bogus or outdated photos, I left, terminating the meeting immediately. And, if I met a provider who did that I'd leave as well.

So, I was just attempting to communicate that thank goodness this isn't match, I'm not looking for a relationship, I only want the fun part, and I'm more than willing to pay for it. I encourage you to back channel with providers that I have seen, my envelope is always correct and I don't attempt to negotiate.

Posted By: ismellturkey
I just received an email being cussed out from a client because I was allegedly leading him on during the appointment.... I am not GFE whatsoever to avoid that chaos to begin with. I totally regret seeing him now and will be documenting his emails for ter to view in case he decide's to get crazy since I didn't want to see him for free and be his girlfriend after the 1st and final appointment. Ughhhh please do not confuse the two boys.....this is entertainment, it is pure fun and not a match making website.  
   
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Lately there have been a spate of posts by ladies and gents who are into extended dinner dates and overnights. Some people have the wrong idea of what this business is about.

Bob.Sugar624 reads

There is no shortage here of guys confusing a hooker keeping an appointment with her "falling for him".

Makes for some fun babble here as well.

Next time some guy wants to be more than a client...tell him that the dog needs walking, and the garbage has to go out, and that you have a headache.  Grab the money first though.

Posted By: ismellturkey
I just received an email being cussed out from a client because I was allegedly leading him on during the appointment.... I am not GFE whatsoever to avoid that chaos to begin with. I totally regret seeing him now and will be documenting his emails for ter to view in case he decide's to get crazy since I didn't want to see him for free and be his girlfriend after the 1st and final appointment. Ughhhh please do not confuse the two boys.....this is entertainment, it is pure fun and not a match making website.  
   
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Goodness... I'm sorry you have to deal with that.  I will never understand the entitlement that some clients feel, even after just one appointment.  You're buying our TIME, not our loyalty, not our love, not our friendship. Is it really that difficult for clients to understand?  

Anyway, I'm glad you're documenting all this.  I sincerely hope that this is the end of it

Bob.Sugar593 reads

Unless you're suggesting that all of the reviews here, and the frank board discussions, are pure folly....then perhaps you might want to reconsider your statement.
 

Posted By: THEAvaStClaire
Goodness... I'm sorry you have to deal with that.  I will never understand the entitlement that some clients feel, even after just one appointment.  You're buying our TIME, not our loyalty, not our love, not our friendship. Is it really that difficult for clients to understand?    
   
 Anyway, I'm glad you're documenting all this.  I sincerely hope that this is the end of it.  
   
 

If you really don't understand the fundamental difference between a prostitute and an escort, then you are a liability to yourself and to every provider that sees you.  

"These ladies are professionals, any money paid to them is for time and companionship only. Anything else that occurs is a matter of choice between consenting adults. Prostitution is illegal. It is illegal to sell or buy sexual services. You can give it away for free, but you can't sell it. Therefore, everything contained here is fiction and is for your entertainment and amusement only."  That's straight from the TER terms and conditions. You know, the very thing you have to agree to before you log on?

I don't know if your reading comprehension is the problem or what, but perhaps YOU might want to reconsider your statement

Bob.Sugar552 reads

I guess living in that bizarro world you're presently in must keep you safe.

But then "we" both know better.  No one is paying for sex with anyone here  LOL

BTW...what's a hooker then?  And can you define YOUR "fundamental differences" between hooker, SW, prostitutes, escorts, call girls and so on.  I'm sure it will be fascinating.

Posted By: THEAvaStClaire
If you really don't understand the fundamental difference between a prostitute and an escort, then you are a liability to yourself and to every provider that sees you.  
   
 "These ladies are professionals, any money paid to them is for time and companionship only. Anything else that occurs is a matter of choice between consenting adults. Prostitution is illegal. It is illegal to sell or buy sexual services. You can give it away for free, but you can't sell it. Therefore, everything contained here is fiction and is for your entertainment and amusement only."  That's straight from the TER terms and conditions. You know, the very thing you have to agree to before you log on?  
   
 I don't know if your reading comprehension is the problem or what, but perhaps YOU might want to reconsider your statement.    
   
 

Unlike you, I take this seriously and would never even risk implying that I was doing anything illegal in a public forum.

I have neither the time nor the desire to explain myself any further than I already have. Find someone else to troll.

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Bob.Sugar572 reads

You offer no explanation of the "fundamental differences" of the various names used to describe anyone selling themselves with sex for money.

Might I also suggest that you take down all those "fake reviews"....someone might confuse you with a hooker.  And I thought the discussion on the use of social media as a forum may have penetrated your skull.  And how about those websites with your name tying it all back right here.

I also see you've got a phone number showing on your TER profile.  Do you honestly think that if someone wanted to spend some time and energy they can't find out who you really are?

Wake up toots.

At least the hookers who are UTR aren't plastered all over the Inet like YOU are.  They also prefer to be classified as courtesans.  Maybe you can give that a shot?

Posted By: THEAvaStClaire
Unlike you, I take this seriously and would never even risk implying that I was doing anything illegal in a public forum.  
   
 I have neither the time nor the desire to explain myself any further than I already have. Find someone else to troll.  

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Posted By: Bob.Sugar
You offer no explanation of the "fundamental differences" of the various names used to describe anyone selling themselves with sex for money.  
   
 Might I also suggest that you take down all those "fake reviews"....someone might confuse you with a hooker.  And I thought the discussion on the use of social media as a forum may have penetrated your skull.  And how about those websites with your name tying it all back right here.  
   
 I also see you've got a phone number showing on your TER profile.  Do you honestly think that if someone wanted to spend some time and energy they can't find out who you really are?  
   
 Wake up toots.  
   
 At least the hookers who are UTR aren't plastered all over the Inet like YOU are.  They also prefer to be classified as courtesans.  Maybe you can give that a shot?  
   
Posted By: THEAvaStClaire
Unlike you, I take this seriously and would never even risk implying that I was doing anything illegal in a public forum.  
     
  I have neither the time nor the desire to explain myself any further than I already have. Find someone else to troll.  
   
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Bob.Sugar546 reads

I love when hookers, err courtesans, ugh escorts...prostitutes...maybe call girls....

Post that in their ads  LOL

It's very important to know all of that  ;)

Never.Landed602 reads

What has to happen to turn a person into someone who thinks that screaming from the rooftops that this is a fuck board MEANT TO PAY FOR ILLEGAL PUSSY DAMMIT!! is a good idea? Beyond being a completely unnecessary clarification meant just to nitpick like a school boy whose mother prefers to drink than teach him social skills, what makes that seem smart?

You haven't noticed eeeeevery other website getting more careful? You haven't noticed all the other websites getting shut down

Posted By: Never.Landed
What has to happen to turn a person into someone who thinks that screaming from the rooftops that this is a fuck board MEANT TO PAY FOR ILLEGAL PUSSY DAMMIT!! is a good idea? Beyond being a completely unnecessary clarification meant just to nitpick like a school boy whose mother prefers to drink than teach him social skills, what makes that seem smart?  
   
 You haven't noticed eeeeevery other website getting more careful? You haven't noticed all the other websites getting shut down?  
 
Funny, very funny. So those legal disclaimers that some girls use in their ads would save them if they got busted? Were you here seven years ago when the board changed ownership? Both the servers and the owners are outside US jurisdiction and located in countries where prostitution is legal.

I am happy that a certain board rife with fraud and corruption in California was shut down a year ago.  

Hey if you think dancing around the issue makes it legal in the USA heaven help you.

Bob.Sugar467 reads

I guess I should be happy that you like to follow me around.  That's cute.

You should ask around...some of "us" like to play this little guessing game.  If you'd like to play...let me know.  It's a small entry fee, but the grand prize is huge.  

I guess not saying this is a fuck board would make it so to the casual observer.  Maybe a better way to minimize the obvious is to take it off the public domain...and make it a members only site (and not available to google)?  That's pretty obvious to most.  When anyone with a modicum of computer talent can google anything here....just who the hell do you think doesn't know what this is all about?

I guess I haven't noticed other sites getting shut down.  I don't really monitor the Inet as you do.  But in this gig, there's certainly NO shortage of adult sites available for nearly everyone.

I suspect you and I have had our share of PMs over the past year or two.  Your style gives you away.  

But I still like you...actually I've always liked your style.

If I was trying to mask my style...don't you think I would?  Of course I would  LOL

Posted By: Never.Landed
What has to happen to turn a person into someone who thinks that screaming from the rooftops that this is a fuck board MEANT TO PAY FOR ILLEGAL PUSSY DAMMIT!! is a good idea? Beyond being a completely unnecessary clarification meant just to nitpick like a school boy whose mother prefers to drink than teach him social skills, what makes that seem smart?  
   
 You haven't noticed eeeeevery other website getting more careful? You haven't noticed all the other websites getting shut down?  
 

Led him on to think what... you actually enjoyed being with him? That's your JOB lol. Gawd, this shit is worse than it was before I left. I actually had some dolt tell me he loved me and was dumb enough to think the name and address I gave him to send a deposit, was my own. Um, sorry idiot but unless I have MET you already, your deposit will be going to someone else's place that lives in the building.

Because some morons think they can buy friendship and love. It never registers in their minds that escorts are bought and paid for. Actually , paid to leave. OTOH, you are the one who does not seem to like guys who just want to fuck.

You're confusing being treated like a human being with love... the two are not the same. Even the crappiest of board posters still booked multi-hours with me and had dinner and drinks... might have been OTC, but it still occured so don't tell me that even assholes don't like company. I have no problem with a guy who does not want to pay for a hooker to eat dinner with him, but I DO have a problem with guys who actually are dumb enough to think that the guys who do are trying to fall in love. I can assure you, no they are not in most cases. I don't mess with the saps... there are rich guys out there who insist on a hooker spending the night with them. Why? I really have no idea, other than they want someone there when they wake up.  

Every guy who meets me probably 'just wants to fk' lol, otherwise he would be on match.com. I never said if you took the sex off the table they would pay to take me to dinner, but that does not mean they can't enjoy all aspects of a date 'experience' without falling for a hooker. Gimme a fkin break. I think kissing is the most intimate thing in the world, yet I kiss 95 percent of the guys who pay me... am I in love because I do this act? Am I looking for love when the guys I fk for free spend the night and I cook them breakfast? Doi. I highly doubt the guy who does an overnight with a provider once a year is looking for love... he is looking for what he can get. Money can't buy friendship or love, but you would be surprised at how nice it is to make a friend after the fact... THAT happens all the time. Money got you in the door... other things get you back.  
 

Posted By: Oldtimemonger
Because some morons think they can buy friendship and love. It never registers in their minds that escorts are bought and paid for. Actually , paid to leave. OTOH, you are the one who does not seem to like guys who just want to fuck. [/quote

That's right, money gets me in the door. I get treated just fine without trying to turn it into more than it is. They might not all be looking for love but they are looking to fill some kind of an emotional void that should not be filled with a hooker. The fact that they want a hooker to wake up with them is sad.  

I give you credit for a good marketing technique that rakes in money.

Fucking a guy for free and spending the night with him is an entirely different thing.  

It is possible to treat an escort like a human being without dinners and overnights.  

Posted By: London Rayne
 
 Money got you in the door... other things get you back.  
   
   
Posted By: Oldtimemonger
Because some morons think they can buy friendship and love. It never registers in their minds that escorts are bought and paid for. Actually , paid to leave. OTOH, you are the one who does not seem to like guys who just want to fuck. [/quote

Superstar!595 reads

Maybe they have a "real life" and once or twice a month they see a client who really interacts with them more like a boyfriend than a wham bam...  Maybe the guy always spends the night with her or maybe takes her along on his vacations, and they have a real relationship that can go on for years.  Both people are emotionally stable but just have a very honest defined boundaries.  It's just another side of this hobby that some people don't know about, that goes beyond a guy picking up a hooker for something sleazy and cheap.

Bob.Sugar807 reads

It will become the truth.

Sex for money is prostitution.  But you keep on telling yourself that he didn't pay that much, or I only do this once in a while, so it really isn't prostitution.

I guess little white lies aren't real lies..because they're little.

Posted By: Superstar!
Maybe they have a "real life" and once or twice a month they see a client who really interacts with them more like a boyfriend than a wham bam...  Maybe the guy always spends the night with her or maybe takes her along on his vacations, and they have a real relationship that can go on for years.  Both people are emotionally stable but just have a very honest defined boundaries.  It's just another side of this hobby that some people don't know about, that goes beyond a guy picking up a hooker for something sleazy and cheap.

Superstar!630 reads

I'm just saying, some escorts are more multi-faceted than they appear.  Think about it.  If you spend 90% of your life doing XYZ and 10% seeing clients or escorts, does the minimal time you engage in the hobby define you?  IJS.

I'm not a hooker by any stretch of the imagination HoneyBun.

GaGambler596 reads

You can use a hammer all your life and never be called a carpenter.

but suck a single dick for pay, and you will be a hooker for all your life. lmao

Sorry, but if you have sex in exchange for anything of value, you not only "might be a hooker" but you are most definitely a hooker HoneyBun.

The good news is, being a hooker is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing, some of my very best friends are hookers. Not you of course, but women who don't thing that being a hooker is such a bad thing and have no need to sugarcoat what they do for a living.

GaGambler548 reads

and pray tell, just what is so bad about waking up in the morning with a hooker?

Is waking up with a hooker somehow worse than fucking a hooker? Please explain this logic to me. Right now LR is making a LOT more sense than you.

Posted By: GaGambler
and pray tell, just what is so bad about waking up in the morning with a hooker?  
   
 Is waking up with a hooker somehow worse than fucking a hooker? Please explain this logic to me. Right now LR is making a LOT more sense than you.
Fucking a hooker is fine. This is why. If you walked up to 25 attractive women at random and asked them to fuck for the money you might end up in jail. Unless you are a rock star you can't get sex any time you want it.

It should not be necessary to PAY interesting people to hang out with you unless you have ZERO social skills.

 PAYING a hooker to wake up with is sad. PAYING a hooker to "hang out" /dinner dates/ overnights is sad. I have plenty of friends to have dinner with. I don't need to pay for friendship.

GaGambler724 reads

Does that mean you don't like to wake up to a blow job?

Unless you are fucking someone besides hookers, who else are you going to get to fuck you the very first thing when you wake up in the morning? What's sad about wanting a hot woman to fuck you first thing in the morning? That has nothing to do with friendship, it has to do with enjoying not only sleeping with a warm body next to you, but getting to fuck her before you have even wiped the sleep out of your eyes.

Posted By: GaGambler
Does that mean you don't like to wake up to a blow job?  
   
 Unless you are fucking someone besides hookers, who else are you going to get to fuck you the very first thing when you wake up in the morning? What's sad about wanting a hot woman to fuck you first thing in the morning? That has nothing to do with friendship, it has to do with enjoying not only sleeping with a warm body next to you, but getting to fuck her before you have even wiped the sleep out of your eyes.
Nothing is sad about fucking in the morning. The sad part is paying the "companionship fees" to get her to spend the night with you. Why not just schedule a girl for a morning fuck?

I don't think it's sad at all to pay for dinner dates or overnights. It's a preference, and I don't think people should be knocked for their preferences, at least not that one.  

A guy will pay for an overnight not because he can't get it from someone else, but because it's really difficult to find good NSA overnight sex. Some guys like the girlfriend experience, meaning all of it - flirting over dinner, eye contact, smiling. Plus, how many of your friends are going to rub your dick under the table?  The flirting and anticipation makes the sex better too.  

As for the overnight, falling asleep after sex, with your hand on her breast or between her legs. Waking up in the middle of the night and sliding into her. Waking up in the morning and the first sensation you're aware of is a warm, wet mouth on your cock. You can't hire a morning girl for that unless you leave your door unlocked.  

I think it would take many, many Match dates to find something like that. And then once you did there would be relationship expectations that you probably don't want. With the overnight girl you get exactly what you want with no strings, no hurt feelings, no messy breakups.  

Also, you could just think of eating and sleeping as things to do during the refractory period ;)

Posted By: EmmaBlairBaby
I don't think it's sad at all to pay for dinner dates or overnights. It's a preference, and I don't think people should be knocked for their preferences, at least not that one.  
   
 A guy will pay for an overnight not because he can't get it from someone else, but because it's really difficult to find good NSA overnight sex. Some guys like the girlfriend experience, meaning all of it - flirting over dinner, eye contact, smiling. Plus, how many of your friends are going to rub your dick under the table?  The flirting and anticipation makes the sex better too.  
   
 As for the overnight, falling asleep after sex, with your hand on her breast or between her legs. Waking up in the middle of the night and sliding into her. Waking up in the morning and the first sensation you're aware of is a warm, wet mouth on your cock. You can't hire a morning girl for that unless you leave your door unlocked.  
   
 I think it would take many, many Match dates to find something like that. And then once you did there would be relationship expectations that you probably don't want. With the overnight girl you get exactly what you want with no strings, no hurt feelings, no messy breakups.  
   
 Also, you could just think of eating and sleeping as things to do during the refractory period ;)
LMAO..........I find it funny that you used the term ROI. It's certainly a great ROI for the hooker. When I was single I had no problem finding GFs to spend the night. My wife spends the night but no sex anymore. To compare spending the night with a hooker to a real Gf is ridiculous.

There may be no messy breakups but time with a hooker is all make believe. With a real Gf there would be BBFS. Most of us don't do that with hookers so the illusion of being with a real girlfriend is gone as soon as the condom is used.

Can you honestly say that if you could make the SAME amount of money for a one hour session you would do the overnight? Yeah, Right!  

I'm just spending the kid's inheritance so money is not the consideration. It's the thought that I could ever feel so lonely , so needy that I would need to pay for hours of fake "companionship."  

I stand by my original post. Paying "companionship fees" is for losers.

GaGambler644 reads

Your wife doesn't have to be nice to you, the hooker does.

and from my perspective the guy staying with a wife he can't or won't fuck is the real loser, not the guy who pays for it whenever the urge strikes him.

Fucking a hooker might be make believe, but spending the rest of your life with a woman you can't or won't fuck is  a reality and a harsh reality at that. How does that grab you Mr Judgmental?

I guarantee you, you pay a lot more, for a hell of a lot less, than those guys playing make believe with a hooker.

Posted By: GaGambler
Your wife doesn't have to be nice to you, the hooker does.  
   
 and from my perspective the guy staying with a wife he can't or won't fuck is the real loser, not the guy who pays for it whenever the urge strikes him.  
   
 Fucking a hooker might be make believe, but spending the rest of your life with a woman you can't or won't fuck is  a reality and a harsh reality at that. How does that grab you Mr Judgmental?  
   
 I guarantee you, you pay a lot more, for a hell of a lot less, than those guys playing make believe with a hooker.
It "grabs" me just fine. Sex is a small part of a decades long marriage. A wife is also a friend, partner and most importantly the mother of the kids. I don't mind the cost.

GaGambler458 reads

and I suppose she is ok with it because you feel like guys that don't just treat the hookers like cum buckets to be discarded the moment you bust a nut are sad, and that what you do is really no different than jerking off to porn?

Yeah, I am sure she'll be just fine with that line of reasoning.

but I did several overnite and weekend trips with a hooker that charged a flat fee equal to the average one hour session whether I was with her 15 minutes or 48 hours... she didn't ask for it, but I paid the one hour rate every time we had sex... at my age, even the 48 hour trips were inexpensive :)

strange things happen in this sandbox...

GaGambler602 reads

I would see her for a one hour, paid session, several times a week, and then we would go out to dinner, movies, or whatever for the rest of the evening all OTC. She told me she had to charge me for an appointment because she was working for an agency and that's how we met.

That all changed when she changed agencies, as they were not the ones that introduced us, so we still see each other regularly, only I stopped paying her at all. She must be okay with it as she is the one who mainly determines when and for how long we see each other as her schedule is not as flexible as mine. The fact that she calls me kind of proves that she must like me.

There is a downside to this of course, Now that I don't pay, we are on a "sex optional" basis, and sex is no longer "guaranteed" just like in any civvie relationship. Of course we do have sex almost every time we see each other, but it's only because she wants to, not because she has to.

Yes, strange things do happen in this sandbox.

GaGambler431 reads

So it's the "fees" that bother you, not the fact that you spent the night with a hooker.

So if lets say a hooker that you just fucked offered to spend the rest of the night with you for an extra 20 bucks, would you think it was "sad" to take her up on it?

Posted By: GaGambler
So it's the "fees" that bother you, not the fact that you spent the night with a hooker.  
   
 So if lets say a hooker that you just fucked offered to spend the rest of the night with you for an extra 20 bucks, would you think it was "sad" to take her up on it?
Sad at ANY price. She would have to offer it for free since that would mean she actually wanted to be with me.

If I didn't want to fuck someone I wouldn't, not for any price.  It would just lead to bad sex and bad service.

And if a guy paid for one hour and wanted me to stay the night, I could see doing that if the chemistry was right and I was having a really good time.  For me personally I very rarely get morning sex, so I would enjoy it.

The LAST thing I want is some john rolling over and breathing on me let alone wanting to kiss me...talk about stomach turning. Nope, he can leave and then come back showered and teeth brushed for his early morning bj. Plus the only thing I want in my mouth first thing in the morning after a toothbrush is my morning coffee....lololo

GaGambler361 reads

NEVER schedule an overnight with H+T. lol

Posted By: GaGambler
NEVER schedule an overnight with H+T. lol

Posted By: London Rayne
What I meant was what if you could get the SAME amount for fucking a trick for ONE hour as you could for an overnight what deal would you cut? :)

There are some guys I only take money from because it keeps things in perspective, but I don't mind having them around for the night. Now, a week? LMAO. Next, but that goes for guys in general as well. The money keeps me from getting caught up r attached, so it's not just the bills here. I tend to get attached in the first 30 days of being with someone because it's new and fun.... then, six months down the road I want them gone. The money allows you to feel that faux intimacy (real for the time being) without going in the wrong direction with it, so you see... that is what the majority of men who book longer are looking for... the ability to let go, be intimate, but not get things jaded.

NeedMoreThanSugar501 reads

So you just gave a donation to some stranger in your building so that you could stand up a potential client? I don't get it. Not a good commercial for new clients or a good way to make money.

We pretend it is just for "company" but we all know the real reason we hire an escort.

GaGambler558 reads

Some of us don't even bother pretending.

For the record, I do NOT pay for "time and companionship" if I wanted companionship, I'd buy a fucking dog. I pay not only for sex, but to be able to have sex without having to claim I am in love or that I want anything else but sex. Can I get an Amen?

Apparently you can now have sex with someone without being in their company, would love to see that lol.

Companionship - intimacy, togetherness, closeness.

And for the record, everything you have said above is why Charlie Sheen said, "i don't pay for sex, i pay for them to leave."

I don't know, maybe some of you should just buy a donkey :-)

GaGambler492 reads

and it's the sex I pay for.

and who the fuck  wants to screw a donkey? isn't that more of a female fantasy than a man's?

LasVegan435 reads

maybe he is new to the hobby.  Never heard this happen before.............

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