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Why Do Hobbyists Allow Providers To Set The Price?
Ridgetucky 2 Reviews 1477 reads
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So I am sitting in my basement having a Summer Shandy and watching the Making of the Mob.

And as the story explained how the ol' time mob operated on the East Coast it occurred to me "that's exactly how Providers operate currently"

This market is NOT operated by the normal rules of supply and demand!!!!!!  There is NOT a mutual point along the economic equilibrium whereby Producer and Consumer have agreed to mutually meet and exchange goods and/or services for value.

They (Providers) are using coercion, sexual intimidation, etc. to manipulate you (Hobbyist) into paying a HIGHER price than the marketplace would normally warrant in a level playing field.  

If you notice most Providers have an hourly rate of $300.  Why is that?  They have banded together to set a minimum (just like the Mob).  I have even heard stories of some Providers being harassed by others for offering Greek and NOT up-charging (just like the Mob).

When you examine this arena with a cold calculating mathematical eye the true price of a Providers service is about $200.  

................... you (Hobbyist) have being getting royally fucked and not in a good way:(

 



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LasVegan750 reads

while I know your intent is to stir up debate.  You have some excellent points here..........but most are all flawed.  Clearly, like any other market.  The provider/hobbyist is based upon supply and demand in its purest form.  The market reflects what hobbyists are willing to pay.  If hobbyists had the resolve to pay.........whatever........and not see a provider who charged over that price.........providers would either change their rates or go looking for another means of making money.

Since hobbyists DO pay whatever providers ask.........de facto........they are helping set the market and the price for their services.

You may know something I do not know..........but in Las Vegas........I know of no examples where providers intimidated other providers into charging a higher rate.  And a simple TER search will reveal that Las Vegas providers who are members of TER charge more than providers in most other areas.

Also from my experience........you may not get many replies to your post.........somehow price is something providers and hobbyists alike refrain from discussing on TER discussion boards.........almost as if it is an unwritten rule.

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GaGambler386 reads

but of course your experience here is a bit limited, so I won't hold your wrong guess against you.

Rtucky is a troll, but unlike most trolls here he almost always gets a very healthy response to his OP's

and there is no hard and fast rule where it comes to what the guys are willing to pay, some times the hookers draw a hard line in the sand and the guys cave into the new pricing structure, other times the guys hold firm and refuse to pay the higher prices and the ladies fold.

and lastly, price is a subject that is OFTEN talked about on TER, you really need to learn how to better use the search function. It's been discussed on virtually EVERY TER board dozens of times.

LasVegan516 reads

most times I find your posts insightful.....if not entertaining.

Look providers charge whatever is right for each individual lady in the area she lives in or touring.
We providers didn't get together at the hooker convention and decide "Oh we better all have the same rates and we are going to intimidate the guys into paying it."
You equate how the mob ran their business to a provider/client business relationship doesn't even make sense.How you decided by watching a documentary about the mob that providers service is worth only $200 makes not a bit of sense

LasVegan339 reads

if I were a provider in Las Vegas.........I WOULD join TER and look at all the other ladies' profiles to find out what they were charging BEFORE I decided what I wanted to charge.

As providers of any service would do...........it is called market analysis.

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No one is forcing you to pay any more than you want. If you don't like it, beat you meat!

   
 They (Providers) are using coercion, sexual intimidation, etc. to manipulate you (Hobbyist) into paying a HIGHER price than the marketplace would normally warrant in a level playing field.    
   
 If you notice most Providers have an hourly rate of $300.  Why is that?  They have banded together to set a minimum (just like the Mob).  I have even heard stories of some Providers being harassed by others for offering Greek and NOT up-charging (just like the Mob).  
   
 When you examine this arena with a cold calculating mathematical eye the true price of a Providers service is about $200.    
   
 ................... you (Hobbyist) have being getting royally fucked and not in a good way:(  
   
   
   
 

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Never.Landed358 reads

Like we are ho-unionization or something hahahah  

These women do what they want and so do the guys. This is the last place that needs a revolution.

GaGambler351 reads

If you doubt me, just ask Inicky about the Jaco Beach Hookers Union. They have been on a mission to raise prices from $100 to $150. Many, actually most of the mongers with any experience fought the change as that has been the "going rate" for years, but the hookers held firm, and finally all but the most entrenched and stubborn whore mongers relented and started paying the new rate without bitching, well not bitching too much at least. lol

This is not the first time I have ever seen this happen. I saw them successfully do this in Panama as well, but I have seen them try it several times in San Jose Costa Rica, and they have failed each and every time. I know the idea that a bunch of hookers could get together on anything seems about as likely as someone successfully herding cats, but I have seen it happen with my own eyes.

YOU don't set our own prices! Seriously?  YOU don't set our prices! Supply and demand. .. end of story.  Do you REALLY think we are just dumb ho's that fuck anything that moves?  You're an idiot honestly if you think that. Not trying to be a bitch but if you don't meet the price point you seek, move the fuck on!  
TL

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you are doing a pretty good job of it.

Next time I am in Atlanta I will hookup with you or Dana Nicole or maybe both @ the same time!!!!!!!!!!!!

RT

Ummmm yeah OK lol  
you wish! You'd have to pay double my rate. ..on second thought,  I'm good.
It's funny,  now I have your phone number lol you see I've only had one request in my life using Dana as the reference lol and it was this week. Lol lol lol
you think you're being sneaky?  Well thanks for this post lol!!!
now since you can't seem to afford the pussy you seek, gfy :)
TL

actually I came home early to fuck my wife then will be off to pick up the kids from day camp.

Um, I am not in Atlanta and haven't been for about 7 years.  

So I suggest you go get that $$$ from whomever sent you a request.  And trust me affording pussy is the LAST fuckin' problem I got.

RT

Do you like it when guys eat your ass?

You're a fucking tool.  Why do you even ask such stupid ass questions?  You bitch about pricing but yet you can afford it bwahahahaha!!! Yeah OK ;)  
I'm guessing you're fucking the wife and posting at the same time? Lol lol lol
yes I love getting my ass licked :) can you not read reviews? I know your comprehension skills suck but you can read, can't you?  
So happy to be in Atlanta :)

You're a real comedian Dude.

 This is an unregulated fungible market. The sellers are the supply and the buyers are the demand. You have the macro- market and various micro-markets. Neither the monger nor the escort have any control over the market prices. Since escorts are a luxury item, there is no realistic way to fix prices. It is a want NOT a need.

The mongers will continue to bid up the price until reaching diminishing returns. Example: If the average market price in an area is 3-500, a monger may try 600-800-1K type girls. At the higher price points a guy is expecting the girls to be 50-100% hotter in looks, presentation, performance and service. If they fail to meet expectations he goes back down to the 3-500 girls. The 600-800-1K girls represent diminishing returns. If he tries the lower priced girls he may end up with unattractive girls, cheap incalls and lousy service.  

At some point he finds the ladies who represent real value to him. If most of the girls in your area are 3-500 it is because the overall market feels that is the value of the ladies

E = End of Message (wink wink).... Got to bring your A game with all of these younger trolls making their stamp here.

Posted By: Ridgetucky
So I am sitting in my basement having a Summer Shandy and watching the Making of the Mob.  
   
 And as the story explained how the ol' time mob operated on the East Coast it occurred to me "that's exactly how Providers operate currently"  
   
 This market is NOT operated by the normal rules of supply and demand!!!!!!  There is NOT a mutual point along the economic equilibrium whereby Producer and Consumer have agreed to mutually meet and exchange goods and/or services for value.  
   
 They (Providers) are using coercion, sexual intimidation, etc. to manipulate you (Hobbyist) into paying a HIGHER price than the marketplace would normally warrant in a level playing field.    
   
 If you notice most Providers have an hourly rate of $300.  Why is that?  They have banded together to set a minimum (just like the Mob).  I have even heard stories of some Providers being harassed by others for offering Greek and NOT up-charging (just like the Mob).  
   
 When you examine this arena with a cold calculating mathematical eye the true price of a Providers service is about $200.    
   
 ................... you (Hobbyist) have being getting royally fucked and not in a good way:(  
   
   
   
 

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GaGambler303 reads

Your butchering of the English language will most definitely keep you in contention.

I hate to break this to you though, Although I have cashed in on you two years in a row, I just can't see you winning a third title. I haven't decided yet exactly who I am going to bet on, but I am afraid it won't be you. I am sure that you will still put forth a solid effort and I do expect to at least see you "in the money" maybe I will put a few bucks on you to place or show, but not to win. Not this year at least. lol

Do you go to your hairdresser and get angry because you're not allowed to tell her/him how much to charge to cut your hair? Who are you to say that the "true price" of a provider's service is $200? Providers expose themselves to a lot of risks so obviously the financial gain must be present or else no one would choose to do this.  

I've seen providers charge donations anywhere from $50 for a half hour to $2000 two hour minimum. So I wouldn't say there is any set minimum or maximum. Each lady sets her donation at whatever she so chooses and it's up to you to decide whether or not you want to book her or not based on that. Simple as that.

Goodness... How fortunate we all are to be in the presence of such a brilliant scholar of both economics and the sex work industry.  Thank you so much for shedding some much needed light on the deeply flawed system to which you hobbyists are all being held hostage.  RidgeTucky, you're a revolutionary.

Please forgive us manipulative, rapacious harlots for daring to set rates that we feel comfortable with.  After all, it's just our bodies, our health, our safety, and our financial well-being we're considering when we set those prices, nothing of any *real* importance.  And besides, why would we even attempt to set prices that make sense to *us* when we have thoughtful, considerate, well-meaning men like you to tell us exactly what we're worth

Every provider that I've seen posts her rates on her website, if I want to see her and spend quality time with her, that's what I pay, simple as that. If I feel she's asking too much, I simply don't ask for an appointment.

Who the hell do you think you are that you should dictate how much her time is worth?

Look, this arrangement is really very simple, read her site, read her reviews, determine if her menu meets your wants/needs, determine if her stated rates fall within your budget and if all things are agreeable make an appointment, ensure your envelope is correct, have a great time, be respectful and everyone is happy. It really is that fucking simple. If you don't like it or can't afford it, find another hobby.

Damnit man, these immature silly fucks are getting on my last nerve.

Take your ball and go home, little boy.

You know, supply and demand.

If a thing/service is in higher demand for any number of reasons, prices can be set high and made less attainable.  Fewer people are willing to purchase said thing/service for higher cost.  

If a thing/service is reliant upon volume for profit, prices are set lower. Prices could also be set lower for other reasons.

Now, I'm going to compare hookers to booze, because booze is what i know best outside of being a hooker.

Prices fluctuate depending on what the market can carry.  You don't pay the same amount of money for a drink in downtown Cleveland as you do in downtown Chicago.  The Cleveland market would balk and tell you to go fuck yourself for charging $12 for a drink.  In Chicago, that's  beyond normal. Unless, of course, you're offering a service in Cleveland that is incredibly unique and known for quality.  There's a place in Cleveland called The Velvet Tango Room that charges $18-$20 a drink.  They are busy. All the time.  They make excellent drinks, and were innovators in the cocktail bar scene almost a full 20 years before the actual revival of the cocktail. They provide a unique experience, which is why they can command prices that exceed that of Chicago in a market like Cleveland.

The more appealing a thing is, the more expensive that thing can be.  Grey Goose costs more than Gordon's. Is it better? Not necessarily, but brand recognition, marketing, and perceived value all play vital roles as to why Grey Goose commands the price it does. Also, Grey Goose doesn't care about people who drink Gordon's. People who drink Gordon's drink it because it's cheap.  Grey Goose cares about people who drink other primium/ultra premium spirits.  

Patroń is a GREAT example of a product with far more perceived value than actual value.  Paul Mitchell (yes, the shampoo guy) did the same thing with Patroń that he did with his hair products.  Filled the bottles with entry level, decent enough products, then created a marketing campaign based on exclusivity. It worked for both brands incredibly well.  

Now, say you create a product that's high quality and marketed correctly.  Like LouisXIII cognac.  It's in limited supply, excellent quality, and the marketing just oozes opulence. Enough people buy it to make it a profitable venture.  Remy isn't looking to put LouisXIII on everyone's bar.  With the price the product commands, it doesn't need to.  

TL;DR

If a hooker is smart (and independent), she sets her rates appropriately for her niche, market, and volume preference.  No one is coercing you to purchase her services at the rate she's offering them.  Like we've said 1000 times over; if you don't think the service is worth the cost, there are other price points available.  But even in a buyer's market, you almost always get what you pay for

first, prove it and second, sue them.  Really?

On a tangential point, a co-worker and I was having a discussion just yesterday about some of our lower paid support staff.  We've had some good ones leave because of poor pay and no upward mobility.  So, I said, sure...X could get $300/hour and so could Y (both these ladies are under 40 and while we don't see them at their best, I'm sure they clean up well).  He didn't believe me.  I told him that $250-$300 was the floor for providers unless they were crack whores or something.  I did hedge my comment by saying I wasn't sure how much repeat business they would get.  That seemed to make him happy as I am sure they would do well as neither is unattractive and both have decent personalities.  

Posted By: Ridgetucky
So I am sitting in my basement having a Summer Shandy and watching the Making of the Mob.  
   
 And as the story explained how the ol' time mob operated on the East Coast it occurred to me "that's exactly how Providers operate currently"  
   
 This market is NOT operated by the normal rules of supply and demand!!!!!!  There is NOT a mutual point along the economic equilibrium whereby Producer and Consumer have agreed to mutually meet and exchange goods and/or services for value.  
   
 They (Providers) are using coercion, sexual intimidation, etc. to manipulate you (Hobbyist) into paying a HIGHER price than the marketplace would normally warrant in a level playing field.    
   
 If you notice most Providers have an hourly rate of $300.  Why is that?  They have banded together to set a minimum (just like the Mob).  I have even heard stories of some Providers being harassed by others for offering Greek and NOT up-charging (just like the Mob).  
   
 When you examine this arena with a cold calculating mathematical eye the true price of a Providers service is about $200.    
   
 ................... you (Hobbyist) have being getting royally fucked and not in a good way:(  
   
   
   
 

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rfburton340 reads

Actually I do set my own prices. I contact the lady, discuss what I want and offer what I think is fair. No matter what it is, there has always been a price I'm willing to pay for that service. Everybody wins!!

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