In terms of the date and the benefits, longer dates are more relaxed--up to a point--and less rushed. Can you complete 1 pop comfortably in 1 hour? If not or if it feels rushed, try 90 minutes. If you are good for 2+ pops in 1 hour, can you go for more in a second hour? Some 2-hour sessions can include some nice conversation, wine, etc. that make them feel like a real date. Some are closer to nonstop activity. Are your fitness and stamina ready for that? In short, the nature of longer dates varies, depending on what you want and what the provider is willing to do. Some are ok with nonstop activity, some are not.
The other part of longer dates is the cost. What is your budget? Some providers have rates that encourage longer dates; some do not. For example, $400 for 1 hour and $700 for 2 hours is worth considering. On the other hand, $400 for 1 hour and $850 for 2 hours is not something I'd go for. (I've actually seen both those cases advertised.) In terms of dinner dates, my view is that I like having dinner with someone where there is a connection. But I wouldn't pay her regular rate to watch her eat. If 2 hours cost $800, I'd consider $1,000 for 4 hours that include a leisurely dinner. I would never consider paying $1,600 for a dinner date. Providers say that we are paying for their time. I understand that, but I'm willing to pay more for intimate time than for dinner time. Most, but not all, guys seem to agree. Also, there is less "wear and tear" (for lack of a better term) on a woman's body while having dinner, so a lower rate should make sense from her perspective as well. A number of women offer discounted time for dinner; some charge their regular hourly rate. In terms of overnights, again pricing is important. Do you want to pay her regular hourly rate to watch her sleep? I don't. On the other hand, holding her and snuggling all night has value to me. The question is how much. On overnights, I think it's reasonable to have 2 rounds in the evening and 1 upon waking. Maybe nature will call in the middle of the night. Some providers insist on a minimum of 5-6 hours of sleep, so don't think that you'll have 10 hours of activity. Another concern regarding overnights is security. Do you trust the provider while you are sleeping? Does she trust you? I would recommend it for men AND women only when there is sufficient trust--and chemistry. It's not a first-date approach. Have fun and be safeCan someone walk me through what a multi-hour session looks like?
I've never booked one, and I don't quite see a viable reason to do so when I could just book multiple sessions on separate occasions. Honestly, anything more than 90 minutes to me is a decent chunk of time that I can't imagine filling with much else other than superficial conversation (which admittedly is enjoyable in its own time and place).
Like a dinner date or an event-oriented outing, I can understand. But what are the motivations for spending two or four hours of alone time with someone? Do providers treat such hobbyists differently?
A one hour date is just one pop, and some cuddle time. With ladies you know, this may be good enough. Two hours...if you have the ability to MSOG, plus the cuddle time and resources...go for it.
The four hour dinner date? Great, but unless you have a build-up with her online, this should be reserved for ladies you already know...
Overnights? Only with ladies you already know and are comfortable with. How she feels is a huge consideration....
If it's not broken, why fix it?
I don't agree that longer is always better. Now in some cases i enjoy the woman's actual company and am happy to spend all day or night with her, but most of the time once I have cum and we have had a little cuddle time or a massage to round out the hour, I am more than ready to say good bye.
Personally either I book either for and hour, or all night, very rarely anything in between. An hour is plenty of time to fuck, if that's all I am interested and two to four hours is simply too much time to spend fucking, but not enough time to really enjoy a night out. Hence, a waste of time and money IMHO.
That's just my opinion of course, but I think my opinion is shared by the OP.
and for the record, I do overnighters all the time with women I have just met. I would never actually book an overnighter with a woman I don't know, but overnighters done on the spur of the moment are just like "one night stands" in civvieland, if any one here can actually relate to an unplanned hook up.
Never start off with more than a one hour session with an escort you have not seen before. If you don't "click" with the lady you are not just out the money. You are in an awkward situation. Do you make an excuse to leave early? Do you stay until the end since that's what you paid for? My biggest disappointments were with girls who had 2 hour minimums to start with
I always book at least two hours. I love the whole interaction with the providers I meet and one hour just gives me no time for this. If money and time were no object, I would love to book week ends with some of the great providers I have met. (How to account for a week end away and out of contact to my SO is the main barrier.)
Hey Dr tell your SO that you have a conference that you have to attend. New way of doing my procedures ( I need to keep up with the technology & all ). Be careful if you do this locally, make sure you are not seen locally. Or even better if you go out of state, fat chance of your SO running into you. Come to think of it, my cousin who is also a Dr goes to conference alot. I mean alot alot...Hmm
To each their own and for some of us a one hour appointment is not long enough. I would highly recommend that you only book an appointment over an 1 hour with a provider that you have meet before or if that is not possible then be ready to end the appointment early if you don't click. You will be at a lost, but at the same time spending time with someone you don't click with is too much of a mood killer from my view point.
I will say this: I am planning to go against my own advise and book maybe a 2 hour appointment with a provider, if we can ever get our schedules to match up, that I have not seen before. I got t a feeling that I will be alright because of me doing my research on said provider and our mutual interests.
You can play with your company naked chess. You can ask her to wash you in bubble bath like a baby. It is nice to feel like a babe. You can have a nice hard on being with her in a public place.
to a very loverly and talented lady who resides in Las Vegas, NV. She told me that while gentlemen were often ready to strip down to their birthday suites and get down to it after some 30 minutes or so of conversation, or foreplay, ladies need more time to get the same level of physical arousal. I have no reason to disbelieve what she told me. For her at least, I'd book the extra hour, not sure I would do that with all the ladies I've met.
She required a 4 hour minimum because she had to drive 3 hours one-way to see me. Since we had never met, I wasn't sure how things would go that afternoon or if our time and conversation might grow awkward as time went on. Especially, since I had never done more than a single hour date.
So I went to a few nearby restaurants and got their carry-out menus, figuring we could maybe order in some food. I also brought a bottle of wine for her and I to share. I even remembered to bring an opener, but forgot the glasses. But, after opening it, and looking at the paper cups on the dresser, she promptly produced a pair of nice wine glasses from her large bag, along with a big smile. We both knew right then that we would be a good fit.
When our time together was over, we both were surprised at how fast it went and how easily we found things to do and talk about. The lunch menus were never even brought out. I have to say that the overall relaxing tone and slow paced attitude without ever having to be concerned about time was unexpected and totally worth it. Since then, we have never done less than two hours.
That's my story, and the only "script" I had going in was to bring out the carry-out menus if things got slow. And that never even happened
Of course, it depends on your provider. Personally, whenever I've had multiple hour bookings that don't include an activity like dinner or a show, we end up finding other ways to fill the time. For instance, in addition to the obvious, we might take a bath together, I might give the client a lengthy massage, or we'll share a bottle of wine and talk, hell I've even sat through a couple of sports games on TV lol.
But then, the kind of clients that I usually book are tend to be type that really do enjoy stimulating, intellectual conversation. On a couple of occasions I've had clients extend our time together because we've run out of time talking before we were even able to enjoy anything else lol
your provider is your ATF..........and at the two hour point..........you both feel as though your appointment just began.
those hobbyists.........who are one and done..........within the first 15 minutes?
In terms of the date and the benefits, longer dates are more relaxed--up to a point--and less rushed. Can you complete 1 pop comfortably in 1 hour? If not or if it feels rushed, try 90 minutes. If you are good for 2+ pops in 1 hour, can you go for more in a second hour? Some 2-hour sessions can include some nice conversation, wine, etc. that make them feel like a real date. Some are closer to nonstop activity. Are your fitness and stamina ready for that? In short, the nature of longer dates varies, depending on what you want and what the provider is willing to do. Some are ok with nonstop activity, some are not.
The other part of longer dates is the cost. What is your budget? Some providers have rates that encourage longer dates; some do not. For example, $400 for 1 hour and $700 for 2 hours is worth considering. On the other hand, $400 for 1 hour and $850 for 2 hours is not something I'd go for. (I've actually seen both those cases advertised.) In terms of dinner dates, my view is that I like having dinner with someone where there is a connection. But I wouldn't pay her regular rate to watch her eat. If 2 hours cost $800, I'd consider $1,000 for 4 hours that include a leisurely dinner. I would never consider paying $1,600 for a dinner date. Providers say that we are paying for their time. I understand that, but I'm willing to pay more for intimate time than for dinner time. Most, but not all, guys seem to agree. Also, there is less "wear and tear" (for lack of a better term) on a woman's body while having dinner, so a lower rate should make sense from her perspective as well. A number of women offer discounted time for dinner; some charge their regular hourly rate.
In terms of overnights, again pricing is important. Do you want to pay her regular hourly rate to watch her sleep? I don't. On the other hand, holding her and snuggling all night has value to me. The question is how much. On overnights, I think it's reasonable to have 2 rounds in the evening and 1 upon waking. Maybe nature will call in the middle of the night. Some providers insist on a minimum of 5-6 hours of sleep, so don't think that you'll have 10 hours of activity. Another concern regarding overnights is security. Do you trust the provider while you are sleeping? Does she trust you? I would recommend it for men AND women only when there is sufficient trust--and chemistry. It's not a first-date approach.
Have fun and be safe
Some will try hard to make the time about you, while others will do a typical one hour and "ask" to grab a shower to get ready for their next date (yes, on your dime)
I've never booked one, and I don't quite see a viable reason to do so when I could just book multiple sessions on separate occasions. Honestly, anything more than 90 minutes to me is a decent chunk of time that I can't imagine filling with much else other than superficial conversation (which admittedly is enjoyable in its own time and place).
Like a dinner date or an event-oriented outing, I can understand. But what are the motivations for spending two or four hours of alone time with someone? Do providers treat such hobbyists differently?
both in how guys are treated (though probably just sexually) and in the entire tone of the date. A guy who books an hour wants to fk... plain and simple. He's not looking for a courtship period even if it's only an extra hour of talking, drinking and having some yummy food. Providers have to consider a clock whether one wants to admit it or not, as do the clients. In an hour, it would be crazy to expect to talk for half of it but in two or more hours, that is not the case. Guys book those dates for that very reason. FYI, hours are spent inside the hotel room, usually naked the entire time. If you think that's the case with 3 and 4 hour dates, I know no provider personally who would go for that. We are taken to dinner, a show, play sporting event, etc.
So, to answer your question of whether or not the guys are treated differently, of course. An hour is rushed so usually the provider is doing everything in her power to cater to these so called pop oriented hobbyists who want to do and try every damn thing under the sun multiple times for the least amount of money. During dinner dates, the flow is more natural, not rushed and there is no checklist of shit to do in x time.
I've never booked one, and I don't quite see a viable reason to do so when I could just book multiple sessions on separate occasions. Honestly, anything more than 90 minutes to me is a decent chunk of time that I can't imagine filling with much else other than superficial conversation (which admittedly is enjoyable in its own time and place).
Like a dinner date or an event-oriented outing, I can understand. But what are the motivations for spending two or four hours of alone time with someone? Do providers treat such hobbyists differently?
Ms Know-it-all is back again! I thought you quit in 2013. Still cooking for the guys in New Orleans?
I'm far from "pop-oriented." Do everything under the sun? The two best monger positions are lying on back while getting a blowjob and lying on back with the escort riding. Real mongers do no work!
The the least amount of money? That would probably be Backpage quickies. If you just want to pop you could get that on the streets. An hourly guy who sees upscale escorts is hardly spending the least amount of money.
If a guy wants several hours and "dinner dates" and overnights it sounds like he is trying to buy intimacy and friendship. This is great for the escort who rakes in money for mostly talking to some guy. It's sad for the guys who are trying to buy something that can't be bought.
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Don't dissuade the johns from trying to buy friends here. Those stories make for great fodder.
And for some of "us" who like to bet on the length of those friendships, it's a way to make a few extra bucks.
FWIW I have been the type to buy multi-hour sessions. But then I don't worry about a few extra bucks to help fund a hookers shoe collection. And LR is a fucking riot. You should see her!
Ms Know-it-all is back again! I thought you quit in 2013. Still cooking for the guys in New Orleans?
I'm far from "pop-oriented." Do everything under the sun? The two best monger positions are lying on back while getting a blowjob and lying on back with the escort riding. Real mongers do no work!
The the least amount of money? That would probably be Backpage quickies. If you just want to pop you could get that on the streets. An hourly guy who sees upscale escorts is hardly spending the least amount of money.
If a guy wants several hours and "dinner dates" and overnights it sounds like he is trying to buy intimacy and friendship. This is great for the escort who rakes in money for mostly talking to some guy. It's sad for the guys who are trying to buy something that can't be bought.
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If you don't apply, why get all butt hurt about the response lol. He asked for personal experiences, and I gave mine. There is a reason I do not offer hourly dates, not that you can't find some great guys who go for them. But, gimme a fkin break... an hour is an hour. You do not have time for shit except being naked. If you go over the hour, then it's not a fkin hour.
Ms Know-it-all is back again! I thought you quit in 2013. Still cooking for the guys in New Orleans?
I'm far from "pop-oriented." Do everything under the sun? The two best monger positions are lying on back while getting a blowjob and lying on back with the escort riding. Real mongers do no work!
The the least amount of money? That would probably be Backpage quickies. If you just want to pop you could get that on the streets. An hourly guy who sees upscale escorts is hardly spending the least amount of money.
If a guy wants several hours and "dinner dates" and overnights it sounds like he is trying to buy intimacy and friendship. This is great for the escort who rakes in money for mostly talking to some guy. It's sad for the guys who are trying to buy something that can't be bought.
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There is plenty of time in an hour. If I need a shower, five minutes for a quick one. A drink and a little small talk is 10-15 minutes. Then about 30 minutes of sex. That is 50-55 minutes. 10 minutes to get dressed is 60-65 minutes. Some sessions have gone 10 minutes over but quality hourly escorts allow for that. If i know I'm running late I offer to compensate for the extra time. Quality hourly escorts do NOT schedule back to back appointments.
Sometimes (after the first session and if we hit it off) I will schedule a 90-120 minute session next time. Some have offered a discount since I've repeated.
Ms Know-it-all is back again! I thought you quit in 2013. Still cooking for the guys in New Orleans?
I'm far from "pop-oriented." Do everything under the sun? The two best monger positions are lying on back while getting a blowjob and lying on back with the escort riding. Real mongers do no work!
The the least amount of money? That would probably be Backpage quickies. If you just want to pop you could get that on the streets. An hourly guy who sees upscale escorts is hardly spending the least amount of money.
If a guy wants several hours and "dinner dates" and overnights it sounds like he is trying to buy intimacy and friendship. This is great for the escort who rakes in money for mostly talking to some guy. It's sad for the guys who are trying to buy something that can't be bought.
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It feels like a 'session' because that is exactly what it is at that time frame, but I get why so many escorts offer an hour... I will just keep that one to myself. 
I have had some seriously HOT sessions at that mark, but NEVER anything more than that. Sometimes, that is just what is needed, and I get that as well.
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"An hour is rushed so usually the provider is doing everything in her power to cater to these so called pop oriented hobbyists who want to do and try every damn thing under the sun multiple times for the least amount of money."
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I'm an hour session guy. I'm not concerned with "pops". I don't want to do every damn thing under the sun. I'm not trying to cram a 3 hour $900 session into one hour. I can't be the only one out there like this. I do one hour sessions because that's my budget. I want a relaxed session. I want it simple and I want to have an orgasm sometime during the hour. I don't have a check list.
I don't doubt that there are mongers that are like that but it's not all of us one hour guys.
I'll add that I'm sure there are ladies that would be OK with a 3 or 4 hour session that doesn't leave the room. That doesn't mean they are engaged in intercourse or other sex acts the entire time. There are plenty of other things to do during that time. There are just as many different ways to do this as there are people that do it.
Yes, you have experience and can speak to many things in this business but with all of that yours is still a small part of the whole.
You do keep things real here and your contributions are valued and pertinent but you often come at this from the position of; the way you (London Rayne and or others you know) do this is the way it is or should be done.
Please don't consider this an attack on you or your thoughts and opinions. It's just another view on what we do here.
I don't have the least concern with "pops" either, I don't need to rush anything, but I am not a guy who needs 30 minutes of chit chat to "get in the mood" nor do I need to hear a woman's life story afterwards, nor do I really need to make a "connection" to enjoy an hour or so's worth of sex.
Sex is just that, Sex. I don't need to romanticize it, nor do I need to build up to it. Maybe I just have either a higher testosterone level or a lower level of estrogen than some guys, because all I have to do to get into the "mood" is be in the same room as a hot woman. I guess if that makes me Cro Magnon man, so be it. lol
You know I love you, dude and I never speak in total absolutes. There are exceptions to every rule, and I did not want to toss in rates but that is also a consideration for what many guys are out for. You can't honestly read these boards and tell me that the majority of guys who spend the least don't expect the most, because it's in about 8 out of 10 guys who do nothing but dog out providers and yack about anything above 250 being expensive. I am well aware that some older gents can't go more than once in an hour, but the provider is generally still NAKED the entire time. It's not like you're having dinner in that hour unless you shove the shit in your mouth and kiss with meat in your teeth lol.
The typical guy that spends $300-500 for an hour of fun is very unlikely to be "one of those guys" now if you are talking about the sub $200 market, or the guys wanting $150 or less half hour or BNG "dates" Yes, I would have to agree those guys are looking for the most bang for the least bucks. but I don't consider the guys who "Only" book an hour and "only" spend $300-500 a session to fit your description of "hour guys"
For the record, I rarely pay more than three hundred bucks for a session, and I am hardly trying to get "every minutes worth" or trying to cram three pops into my hour session. I might be a whore mongering pig, and I might love to have sex a couple of times a day, but I hardly consider myself a demanding client. For all of my whore mongering ways I am actually rather vanilla in my sexual preferences.
...being naked or not the whole time have to do with anything? Additionally what does eating have to do with it? Why do we have to eat?
Again I do hour appointments. I'm not concerned with eating and as for being clothed what does that matter?
The lady is dressed when I arrive. (on time) We talk, I put the donation down, I head for the shower (ask if she wants to join me, usually she does) we undress each other, and hit the shower. That's always a good place for some fun. We dry off, talk, play around (foreplay) and escalate until one or both of us gets off. We talk some more with kissing and touching included. I hit the shower and leave.
If she doesn't shower with me she is still dressed when I come out. We talk, I undress her or watch her undress, play around (foreplay) and so on. A few times the lady had food (grapes, cheese, crackers, soft drink) by the bed and we ate it as we talked, kissed, touched, and what have you after the activities.
Yes you can do all that in an hour and you don't have to hurry. Notice she wasn't naked the whole time (so what if she was?) and we did eat though it wasn't a full blown meal.
If I did 3 or 4 hour sessions I wouldn't mind being naked the whole time and we probably would be naked all but the first 20 or 30 minutes. I like being naked and I like for her to be too. We can talk and drink naked just as well as we can clothed.
This is another example of there being more than one way to do this.
You said you didn't want to toss in rates but I don't think you can leave that out because it's the equal partner in the argument those you say are "pop oriented hobbyists who want to do and try every damn thing under the sun multiple times for the least amount of money" and have a "checklist of shit to do in x time" are making. That is a major factor in your point.
My maximum for an hour is $400. I won't spend more than that.
When you say:
"You can't honestly read these boards and tell me that the majority of guys who spend the least don't expect the most, because it's in about 8 out of 10 guys who do nothing but dog out providers and yack about anything above 250 being expensive."
You're right but those guys aren't the majority here. They are just the ones that talk about rates and $250 being to high. They are the ones that push your button on that subject.
Consider region too. I live in an area where there are a lot of top notch ladies. They range from $200 - $400 and hour. Yes the $200/$250 an hour ladies in my area are excellent providers with good reputations and are respected and sought out because of their great service and their standing in the TER community. GaGambler can attest to this. I see them often but if you check my reviews you'll see that I don't restrict myself to them.
Like you I am only a small part of this whole thing but I think I represent a large portion of TER members that do hour sessions and don't fit the picture you painted.
One more thing your statements in your reply post "Of course there is a difference...." was pretty absolute.
Thanks for the discussion. I love you too. I hope one day you come to Atlanta. I'll be glad to share a shower in a relaxed hour with you.
(I know you don't do hours but I can hope can't I. I'm your size too. )
There is a difference in the flow of the session or date... yes, that is something that can't be disputed. I cannot do in an hour what I can do in 4 hours... it's impossible. That was more my point, I guess vs. the clients themselves being 'different.' The OP asked if there was a difference in an hour and multi-hour dates, and YES there are tons of differences... connection, time, outings, etc. Those are all things that I have never accomplished in an hour. I never said you 'had to' eat, drink etc. but you kinda proved my point lol. An hour is pretty much just fkin with some small talk while the guy recovers before another pop. That is not how longer dates go.
My size, eh? Hmmm lol.
Back to square one.
From my first post:
""If a guy wants several hours and "dinner dates" and overnights it sounds like he is trying to buy intimacy and friendship. This is great for the escort who rakes in money for mostly talking to some guy. It's sad for the guys who are trying to buy something that can't be bought. ""
The world is full of guys who make good money but have ZERO social skills. A four hour session with a dinner date/overnight will be different from a 1-2 hour session since the poor guy is not really looking for sex. He is looking for some escort to fill a void in his lonely life.
We are not talking about WHY in this equation, but the differences which was the question proposed in the first place!
From my first post:
""If a guy wants several hours and "dinner dates" and overnights it sounds like he is trying to buy intimacy and friendship. This is great for the escort who rakes in money for mostly talking to some guy. It's sad for the guys who are trying to buy something that can't be bought. ""
The world is full of guys who make good money but have ZERO social skills. A four hour session with a dinner date/overnight will be different from a 1-2 hour session since the poor guy is not really looking for sex. He is looking for some escort to fill a void in his lonely life.
...I just had to disagree with your client characterization. Then you mentioned eating and being naked in your response as if being naked the whole time was undesirable and eating was necessary.
I know it's just a matter of that's how you like things. I'm a person that likes to ask why. Thanks.
P.S. yep, your size.
I know it's just a matter of that's how you like things. I'm a person that likes to ask why. Thanks.
P.S. yep, your size.
""So, to answer your question of whether or not the guys are treated differently, of course. An hour is rushed so usually the provider is doing everything in her power to cater to these so called pop oriented hobbyists who want to do and try every damn thing under the sun multiple times for the least amount of money. During dinner dates, the flow is more natural, not rushed and there is no checklist of shit to do in x time.""
I guess she had bad experiences with hourly guys. I called her out since painting hourly mongers with the same broad brush is ridiculous. It does not matter if it's a one hour or a four hour session with dinner ALL providers watch the clock to some extent. A four hour date won't be extended to a six hour date unless the monger coughs up more money.
London has found a niche market that serves certain types of guys who are probably looking for love in all the wrong places. The only way I'd pay for such a date is if I was new in town, did not know a soul and wanted a tour guide. I suspect that her market is MUCH smaller than the hourly market. Part of the reason is economic but the other reason is that most men are not looking for what she is selling.
Prices in my area for well reviewed escorts start at $400.00
Yes, she is naked most of the hour. So what? She is not having sex the whole time. It's not like I'm wearing them out! lo
and I appreciate that. I was about 60% hour sessions for the first years I was in the hobby, for two related reasons. First, that was what I could afford. It was tough times and everyone seemed happy to have the business. Second, at that stage I wanted to try everything and everyone. It was a lot of fun at the time. I'm lucky to be able to do longer dates now, but it wasn't always so and may not be forever.
I book 2 hours so that things can go thusly:
5-10 minutes getting ready.
30 minutes where I massage her.
15-20 minutes to get off the first pop.
10 minutes to cuddle.
30 minutes for her to massage me.
15-20 minutes to get the second cup.
5-10 minutes for clean up, dress, and hug goodbye.
Add 2 hours after the first cuddle for dinner if a dinner date.
If an overnight, add a morning wake-up call and breakfast.
Of course there can be a lot of variation to this, but this is more or less a typical outline of various sessions I do
Yes, please
Me too, which is why I always schedule at least 90 minutes after the first date, preferably longer. After an exchange massage or nuru, we definitely need to allow time for a shower at the end!
I have a couple of 3-hour dates scheduled in the next few weeks. Both are on the provider's birthday. I've let them know that the Order of the Day is to spoil the Birthday Girl rotten, which will include a long massage for her, and anything else she may want that's within my ability to give. But in 3 hours there'll be plenty of time for her to reciprocate on the spoiling. 
I am not one for wam, bam, thank you mam get in get off get gone sessions. I like getting to know the ladies. Many of them are fascinating people. Also I have issues down there and I can take up to an hour to get there if I can get there that day at all. I hate feeling rushed and have a better results if I give me time to work. I enjoy massages (both giving and receiving) and baths as well. Sharing food and drink is fun too after if there is time or I am not working down there that day. I would book longer dates but the old lady will not let me.
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