No offense taken. In fact, it would be really hard to offend me.
You're right, I don't review every girl I see. But injustice? Come on. With 40+ reviews, I feel as though I've contributed plenty. I currently don't have VIP (review to come), so I can't check the list of top reviewers; however, at one point I was fairly well ranked. I'm by no means implying you're not worth what you ask for. I've never met you, although you look stunning in your photos. I simply mean there is plenty of talent in the $200-300 range in the U.S. and even more in the under $100 range in TJ. Right now in TJ, $500 could potentially get you ten of the hottest girls you've ever seen in your life. It's an easy choice for me.I would totally respect your opinion on this if you had even ONE "higher rate" lady on your review roster.
Offense is not intended but I don't feel you can accurately make that statement.
Perhaps you have seen ladies but not reviewed them...
If so you do an injustice to the other users here who could use your wry perspective. -- Modified on 8/29/2015 3:19:31 PM
It seems to me that the HBI is increasing faster than the CPI-Consumer Price Index. Recently, there have been a number of new providers on the local scene with their donations, $400-500 per hour, considerably higher than in the past, as recently as last summer. I am not sure what is driving this inflationary spiral. I look at a provider's photos, profile, reviews, and donation when choosing a potential date. The latest providers to post ads list the aforementioned donations and photos but have minimal info in their ads, maybe GFE, and don't have any reviews. Communicating with the ladies doesn't seem to provide much enlightenment about their profiles. $400+ per hour based on photos alone is past the point where I would be willing to TOFTT. Last year, I could take my lumps for $300-350. Tell me it's my imagination or failing memory.
I have noticed the same thing. I have also been puzzled by the inflation. And, that's what I think it is. Inflation. However, the economy is struggling and will be in decline, soon so I think the inflated pricing will come down too. At least for those without anything to justify the extra price.
Someone told me recently on this board - The difference between a 300 and a 500 dollar provider is 200 dollars. When I asked the question, I was expecting feedback more in the area of performance etc. but the more I think about it, I think that persons answer was spot on. Ahhh, wisdom is priceless.
and as far as the 700 and up girls, I'm reminded of the old joke where the gal tells the john that she'll do anything for XXX dollars. He says, "Paint my house."
It's the new providers that I question. The ladies with photos, profiles, and reviews don't seem to be in a race to see who can charge the top donation. Recently, I had a marvelous, superb experience with an established, gorgeous, sexy, profiled, and reviewed lady who exceeded the lofty accolades that other guys have heaped upon her. She played an impeccable Beethoven Moonlight Sonata on my ivory for $500 per hour and it was worth every cent. Guess what? Her rate is the same as it was 2 years ago. Would I pay $500 per hour for a non-reviewed provider without info in her profile based on her photos, hot as they may be, alone? Tungofun4u to Introductory Providers, "Make it real!"
Goddess Jezebel had a wonderful turn out last year & it gives everyone in the community an opportunity to see if there maybe chemistry!
Pictures can lie with all the digital photoshop. Plus, you can never measure ones charm from reading an ad. lol Smile 4 me!
Sharing is caring & I maybe bringing a few friends.
Sorry IncallMan - I shared this with you via PM
My experience / rules is/are the following ...
1. Those ladies that charge a higher rate - usually not worth it!
2. Those ladies that screen extra hard - usually not worth it
3. The ladies who encompass #1 and #2 above are generally vocal of the local boards (see 1 and 2) AND NOT WORTH IT
4. Stay true to what you have experienced. Share via PM as the ladies will BLACKLIST you - Unless of course you kisss their ass.
ANOTHER PHENOMENOM ... Several (meaning not just 1) ladies will advertise some OUTRAGEOUS rate. Then I see an ad for her and she says 50% DISCOUNT. Thats cool because I treat that as a REVERSE BAIT AND SWITCH. STAY AWAY!
Questions - PM me as I am always happy to help!
Joe, sorry for what? I think you are absolutely right. We don't agree often but we do on this. Hobby on.
Law of supply and demand always wins.
I saw one of my long-time regular clients yesterday. He told me that he was asking for something specific on the boards. One of the providers asked what he would pay for that and he told her.
She proceeded to bitch him out and accuse him of lowballing. When he went to see someone else he found out that he was put on a blacklist only because he said what he was willing to pay for a certain activity and it was less than what she thought it should've been!
He never saw the provider.
I've seen this guy many times and he is a fine client.
I think it's a damn shame that ladies put people on blacklists for such a thing.
I have my own personal "Black List" for people who I decide not to see for one reason or another (over communicating, frequent last minute cancelations). But I will only put them on an official Blacklist if they do something very wrong-no call no show, paying less than the agreed upon amount or trying to-I think I've only put maybe three people on an official blaclist since I started checking references years ago.
I didn't realize that you guys seriously had to deal with harrassment like that.
Does it happen often
Providers only charge outrageous prices because some guys are willing to pay it. Personally, I have no idea why anyone would pay that much. There are plenty of women who only want half as much and provide top tier services. But I'm not to judge.
On another note, for those who might not know, for $60 in Tijuana (yes, Tinuana), you can hand select your date from a room full 10s. If you haven't experienced the scene in TJ, it'll change your entire perspective on hobbying in San Diego.
See you at Hong Kong around 2. I will have a white cowboy hat and wearing a grey TShirt that says Hurley. If you see me lets have a Corona! I have to get my VIP card reloaded today. Beunos Tardes
If only half of these guys knew what exists just south of the boarder...
I know one thing for sure. This entire thread wouldn't exist because they wouldn't be over paying. But as many have said before me - it's all a personal decision what we pay. I have no beef if a provider wants to charge whatever she wants and if hobbyists want to pay - good for them as well. In the end as long as both parties are happy that's all that matters.
You and I know what will eventually happen.
Until then enjoy as there is more for us.
btw - Don't forget about the new entry procedures into MX. See you later Bic.
Bic, are you saving these for yourself, because you haven't given a 10 to a TJ girl in years. Based on a quick check of the TJ agency sites, $60 doesn't get anything.
I might be temped if it wasn't for the long border wait, lack of english, a few scary reviews, and my general avoidance of agencies and associated high volume providers. To each his own, but for the travel time and extra risk, I'll shop in the good ol' USA even if prices start $200 higher.
If you got all day long...
To play Indiana Jones ... To save a nickel .... Good for you save your extra money and Rosetta Stone.
I might be temped if it wasn't for the long border wait, lack of english, a few scary reviews, and my general avoidance of agencies and associated high volume providers. To each his own, but for the travel time and extra risk, I'll shop in the good ol' USA even if prices start $200 higher.
You're doing it wrong, my friend. Half the fun is spent at the table with them.
I never mentioned the numerous escort sites, which are amazing in their own right. They're very similar to the Asian agencies in SD, but less than half the price (and 99% of the girls are Latina, not Asian).
I was referring to the bar scene in La Zona Norte. More specifically, a bar called Hong Kong. Ok, not every girl is a ten, and there are even some relatively ugly girls, but overall it's amazing. If you haven't been there, it will change your life.
To touch on your other points:
1. Long boarder waits? Apply for a Global Entry card (Google it.). It eliminates the line at the boarder. It's incredibly useful if you travel a lot internationally anyway.
2. Lack of English can be an issue. Most girls won't speak English, but the waiters in the bars almost always do and are happy to translate for you. Google translate is your friend.
3. Scary reviews? I'm not sure what you mean by scary. Most people avoid TJ because they've read about the violence. As long as you're not selling drugs on the corner, or go wandering theough a dark alley, you should be fine. It's no more dangerous than any big American city. I felt more threatened living in Baltimore than I do visiting TJ for an afternoon.
4. You avoid agencies? To each their own.
5. High volume? Every provider is high volume. I don't care what she tells you.
6. Extra risk? Yes, there is risk entering TJ. There's also risk of getting arrested for hobbying in SD. Prostitution is legal in TJ, so the police cannot bother you. As long as you remain street smart, coupled with the legal protection and the low costs, the risks/reward paradigm begins to shift greatly.
So, I never set out to become the TJ guy on this forum. I'm just simply pointing out there are many options for hobbyist that they may not have considered. I know TJ isn't for everybody, but if you're willing to take a chance in something new, I highly recommend it.
If you do decide to take the plunge, there are a few great sites dedicated to this hobby in TJ that can debunk all of the myths surrounding TJ and provide all the info you will need.
I was thinking about this last night and got kind of angry actually!
So this is a bit of a rant/rave LOL - not specifically about anyone, just a general opinion. Gotta vent! Heehee
I guess if it were me I would feel BAD only giving a girl 60 bucks.
I mean come on, she is giving you her BODY. Maybe respect the ladies a little by paying "enough" and let's face it, nobody in the states would do it for that little. I often feel bad for Mexico escorts - really getting taken advantage of. Our middle class men who CAN afford more but CHOOSE to take advantage of lower income hispanic women... again, no offense, but that's kinda low, no? If you think you're helping them think again. And I wonder how much of that generous 60 they even get to keep? 20? 10? They aren't independent so there is zero chance they keep it all so really, what is the cut I ask myself.
I personally wouldn't brag about how "cheap" I am getting it - just saying.
I was referring to the bar scene in La Zona Norte. More specifically, a bar called Hong Kong. Ok, not every girl is a ten, and there are even some relatively ugly girls, but overall it's amazing. If you haven't been there, it will change your life.
To touch on your other points:
1. Long boarder waits? Apply for a Global Entry card (Google it.). It eliminates the line at the boarder. It's incredibly useful if you travel a lot internationally anyway.
2. Lack of English can be an issue. Most girls won't speak English, but the waiters in the bars almost always do and are happy to translate for you. Google translate is your friend.
3. Scary reviews? I'm not sure what you mean by scary. Most people avoid TJ because they've read about the violence. As long as you're not selling drugs on the corner, or go wandering theough a dark alley, you should be fine. It's no more dangerous than any big American city. I felt more threatened living in Baltimore than I do visiting TJ for an afternoon.
4. You avoid agencies? To each their own.
5. High volume? Every provider is high volume. I don't care what she tells you.
6. Extra risk? Yes, there is risk entering TJ. There's also risk of getting arrested for hobbying in SD. Prostitution is legal in TJ, so the police cannot bother you. As long as you remain street smart, coupled with the legal protection and the low costs, the risks/reward paradigm begins to shift greatly.
So, I never set out to become the TJ guy on this forum. I'm just simply pointing out there are many options for hobbyist that they may not have considered. I know TJ isn't for everybody, but if you're willing to take a chance in something new, I highly recommend it.
If you do decide to take the plunge, there are a few great sites dedicated to this hobby in TJ that can debunk all of the myths surrounding TJ and provide all the info you will need.
Here's one hobbyist that agrees with Goldie. Are we even sure the girls are working voluntarilly? There is so much corruption in Mexico I can see how a girl could get trapped in the lifestyle by pimps forcing them to work against their will. Happens here. I bet it happens a lot more there.
Goldie, I think it's great providers are talking about their rates. I truly enjoy and respect your opinion.
However, I feel I need to clear a little confusion.
1. As you stated in an earlier post, the cost of living is much lower in TJ than it is in SD. Obviously this is true. The reality is, $60 goes a long way in there. I know it's hard to believe, but to a lot of the girls, $60 is "enough." I'm sorry, but there are plenty of escorts out there who would feel taken advantage of at $600/hr. Everybody's different.
2. I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but not every provider in TJ is a sex slave. Most girls are independent. The escorts work for agencies that only act as booking agents. They aren't pimps. Are there girls being taken advantage of? Absolutely. Are there girls in San Diego in the same situation? Absolutely. The beauty of TJ is that prostitution is legal. Does it eliminate all of the criminal activity? No, but it places everything out in the open so you can decide for yourself. In fact, the girls in the big bars keep 100% of what they earn in the bedroom.
3. So, I'm a bad person for finding a better deal? You equate that to taking advantage of underprivileged people? Just because I can pay more, I'm obligated to? Think about that the next time you save $5 on the lipstick you bought from Walmart. Would you look down on a client from Zurich who only paid your normal rate because their cost of living is higher than ours, even though it was exactly what you asked for? Again, it's the same.
Goldie, I'm not attacking you. I enjoy the debate.
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YOU
1. As you stated in an earlier post, the cost of living is much lower in TJ than it is in SD. Obviously this is true. The reality is, $60 goes a long way in there. I know it's hard to believe, but to a lot of the girls, $60 is "enough." I'm sorry, but there are plenty of escorts out there who would feel taken advantage of at $600/hr. Everybody's different.
ME
Actually I never said that, Natasha did. And I think you mean plenty of "hobbyists" feel taken advantage at 600... which is not possible at all. I don't put a gun to anybody's head and force them to book my rate. They make a choice to do so and often make that choice again and again and again... So, everybody is different, correct.
YOU
2. I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but not every provider in TJ is a sex slave. Most girls are independent. The escorts work for agencies that only act as booking agents. They aren't pimps. Are there girls being taken advantage of? Absolutely. Are there girls in San Diego in the same situation? Absolutely. The beauty of TJ is that prostitution is legal. Does it eliminate all of the criminal activity? No, but it places everything out in the open so you can decide for yourself. In fact, the girls in the big bars keep 100% of what they earn in the bedroom.
ME
Where did I say that? I said they give a CUT to someone. You say you see agency girls. How much does the agency make? If they get payed out of the girls 60$ then they are a pimp, period. "Pimp: who controls prostitutes and arranges clients for them, taking part of their earnings in return" so... Ya. Then I guess pimping is legal too by default, huh? Bottom line is you can't tell me how much the girl ACTUALLY makes.
YOU
3. So, I'm a bad person for finding a better deal? You equate that to taking advantage of underprivileged people? Just because I can pay more, I'm obligated to? Think about that the next time you save $5 on the lipstick you bought from Walmart. Would you look down on a client from Zurich who only paid your normal rate because their cost of living is higher than ours, even though it was exactly what you asked for? Again, it's the same.
ME
If that's how you read it. I only said that if it were ME I wouldn't brag about getting cheap pussy. Nobody said obligated, just saying it's pretty impressive to brag about. I don't understand the point you're trying to make except that you LOVE LOVE LOVE that TJ pussy. And that's great but you aren't convincing me or it seems anyone else here so this is kind of the last hurrah for this in my opinion.
Time for some "From Dusk Till Dawn"
Pussy, pussy, pussy!
Come on in Pussy lovers!
Here at the Titty Twister we’re slashing pussy in half!
Give us an offer on our vast selection of pussy!
This is a pussy blow out!
Alright, we got white pussy, black pussy, spanish pussy, yellow pussy. We got hot pussy, cold pussy. We got wet pussy. We got smelly pussy. We got hairy pussy, bloody pussy. We got snapping pussy. We got silk pussy, velvet pussy, naugahyde pussy. We even got horse pussy, dog pussy, chicken pussy.
C'mon, you want pussy, come on in Pussy Lovers!
If we don’t got it, you don't want it!
Come on in Pussy lovers!
Attention pussy shoppers!
Take advantage of our penny pussy sale!
If you buy one piece of pussy at the regular price, you get another piece of pussy of equal or lesser value for only a penny!
Try and beat pussy for a penny!
If you can find cheaper pussy anywhere, fuck it!
That about sums it up for me.
My point has been made.
Yours has too.
We get it.
You love the cheap pussy TJ has to offer and you believe you're getting 10s for it.
Excellent and we applaud you!
Namaste, Goldie
No, I meant providers. There are plenty of providers who would laugh at offers under $1,000/hr. These same girls would probably consider you cheap for only asking $600. My point is, it's relative.
I'm not bragging about saving countless dollars by hobbying in TJ. I'm only informing those who might not have been aware. I understand it's not for everyone.
Don't worry, Goldie. Luckily for you, most guys are too afraid to venture south of the boarder.
The fact that you took this thread this deep in a 'No-Win' battle. She already told you that she has the pussy therefore she makes the rules. Unfortunately you are wrong - ALL WRONG! Not in my mind. I'll see you at HK on Friday. Long weekend ahead and plenty of ladies to SMASH at $60. Cheers! First Cerveza on me.
The girls in TJ have way less cost of living then we do in San Diego, so how is comparing rates on two totally different markets valid? I think most San Diego providers couldn't even pay their rent, along side of their incall costs if we charged what TJ girls did who work in group setting without a private incall location.
Yes for less money, you can travel across the border to see legal prostitutes, I think most people are aware of this.
The is helpful information though, and for people that want bargain cute rate, they should do the work and make the trek for the day over to Mexico. It works well for some, others' don't have the time or even want to have to deal with all that for a hobby that is a luxury, not a necessity.
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You're absolutely right. They are two very different markets. However, they are geographically so close to each other that as a consumer, they're basically the same. It would be extremely inconvienent to cross the boarder for everyday items, such as groceries. But for an every so often hobby, the slight inconvience is well worth the savings. With added incentives, like a nearly 17:1 exchange rate, it makes it even less inconvenient.
Only two providers were over 500/hour when I began made the scene as Goldie...
I came in at 600 - soon, ladies began becoming 600. For example our former #1 provider "EF" was 700 for 2 hours before she became #1 on the list and before I came in starting 600. Suddenly she is 650 per hour now that she is on the list.
So, I personally think two factors are at play (not the hobby budgets)
- the top 100 list (if you rank higher some think they can request higher donations) there was no top 100 list a few years ago...
- reversing the trend (as in not posting a ton of specials and lowering rates to keep but to try to set yourself apart from the others who might seem to be too available)
This is just my take.
Something to remember in this industry is that she who has the pussy makes the rules.
If you're worried about price point there are two sites I can recommend where ladies are often found for 100 and up to 300 LESS hourly than posted here. These ads are viewable to members "only" so they feel safe trying to drum up business with a lower rate. It's sad too because the TER guys will find that lower rate and review based on that price point (I personally feel price point can factor into how you rate - as in that was surely a 9 date but it was kinda pricey and not sure that made it "worth" rating it a 10 - but if the donation was say originally 600 and suddenly you get in the door for 400 that experience could end up being much better in your own mind than had you payed the full rate - but then again, that is just my thought on it).
Please take this as just my perspective - not fact or law.
I would love feedback and thoughts because I personally have struggled to accept some ratings I have seen go up lately...
Thank you for the provider perspective Goldie. Yes, there are ladies who post here at one rate and on other sites at a different rate. I am always skeptical of the "discount" rate as it may come with a "discount" service.
Having said that, I haven't resolved in my mind how the "Introductory Provider" with a blank profile and no reviews finds the chutzpah to post the same donation as you, Goldie Knox, a lady with the complete and amazing package that has been attested to repeatedly.
btw, provider rating and donation have little to do with my ratings or reviews on TER. I suspect some ladies won't see me for that reason or will see me only if I make the "gag"-no review pledge. Power to the ladies that schedule me and prove they are better than I could have expected.
I have two GFs here who have minimal reviews and activity here but are 500 hourly
Why? Because they are worth it.
They are low volume (due to day jobs Mon-Fri)
They are YOUNG
They are "low milage" so to speak
They were brought in as "high end" not up-charging once they have credibility
I can personally vouch for them - how many new girls over 400/hour have a top rated duo GF who can vouch for their credibility, not being LE, having a good location, not a crummy hotel, no upsell, etc etc
I know you
You know me
I'm just confused I guess - if you aren't convinced then wait thill they have more review credibility (not my friends, but anyone who interests you but you aren't totally sold). No sense wracking your brain about this. As per usual: she who has the pussy makes the rules. If she is worth her price point the reviews and consistency will show this and her rate won't change. If not, it may drop or she may move on.
Everyone starts somewhere and I for one would love to see ladies actually stay the same rate they started but alas, they become more active and see others can command a higher rate so their rate will go up as well. If you notice SEVERAL of our top ladies were sometimes HALF their current rate when they started... So, consider maybe they have a better service or perhaps (more likely) they are taking advantage of the offerings of a free marked economy and using their "credibility" to ask for more. Will it be a better service? Who can say? The point is stick where you're comfortable.
Having said that, I haven't resolved in my mind how the "Introductory Provider" with a blank profile and no reviews finds the chutzpah to post the same donation as you, Goldie Knox, a lady with the complete and amazing package that has been attested to repeatedly.
btw, provider rating and donation have little to do with my ratings or reviews on TER. I suspect some ladies won't see me for that reason or will see me only if I make the "gag"-no review pledge. Power to the ladies that schedule me and prove they are better than I could have expected.
I gotta agree with GK that an endorsement from a well established provider gives a "new girl" instant credibility. I've had more than 1 regular introduce me to a "friend" who's new and have never been disappointed.
I'm not the white knight but,
This is not car service ...
Not trying to poke or offend Goldie, but your marketing strategy does seem to rely on that "much better in your own mind than had you payed the full rate."
You've gone from 600 to 1,000 (with 300 for extra hours) back down to 600 and you're often running specials.
Again maybe relying on someone BELIEVING they are getting 600/hr worth of service for much less. Whatever works for you, like you say, your rules.
100-300 less than posted here? To me that's just frustrating for the client. I don't want to have to shop around 3 sites and then ask which donation is accurate. That said, please PM me the names of those ladies and the discount sites, LOL.
Please define "often"
I don't reduce my rate - I offer extra time
That's a huge difference than the ladies who secretly post 200-300 hourly less on certain "cliquy" sites claiming it's a special for "those" users... I LOVE giving repeat dates a spacial offer. I will PM you the sites. Maybe if all the guys know this they will have some rate consistency on all of them and make it so you guys don't have to "shop around".
To my rate point you made:
I went to 1000 for several months because I was in a relationship where I didn't need as man dates so I was focusing on my regulars who were locked in at my original rate of 600 (or in some cases 500 from the waaaay before when I was 600 for the 1st date and 500 for the retiring dates). So that lasted a while and played itself out and I returned to my original rate when that relationship ended. So what? That's much different than me becoming 1k/hour when I started at 400 only because I'm ranked high on the top 100 in San Diego now...? My rate has never changed except during that brief period and I have only a handful of new dates then who wanted to spend that kind of lettuce. Additionally, again, I was the first in SD to be 600. How many now?
So you're the one responsible for he rate increase? I'm just kidding. But seriously, you're free to charge whatever your market will bear. If you can consistently book dates at 600/hr, why wouldn't you? That being said, if I can get full GFE for $100, why wouldn't I?
I don't reduce my rate - I offer extra time
That's a huge difference than the ladies who secretly post 200-300 hourly less on certain "cliquy" sites claiming it's a special for "those" users... I LOVE giving repeat dates a spacial offer. I will PM you the sites. Maybe if all the guys know this they will have some rate consistency on all of them and make it so you guys don't have to "shop around".
To my rate point you made:
I went to 1000 for several months because I was in a relationship where I didn't need as man dates so I was focusing on my regulars who were locked in at my original rate of 600 (or in some cases 500 from the waaaay before when I was 600 for the 1st date and 500 for the retiring dates). So that lasted a while and played itself out and I returned to my original rate when that relationship ended. So what? That's much different than me becoming 1k/hour when I started at 400 only because I'm ranked high on the top 100 in San Diego now...? My rate has never changed except during that brief period and I have only a handful of new dates then who wanted to spend that kind of lettuce. Additionally, again, I was the first in SD to be 600. How many now?
Everytime I come back to this thread it gets uglier and uglier it should be Canned!
I would not date any of these guys with this lowball comments ... Sorry old-fashioned common Sence still applying here!
WHITE KNIGHT
I'm just throwing this out there, but I'm going to guess English isn't your first language.
Obviously English is not your first language
You're wrong.
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You don't seem to have seen any ladies over 300/hour from a glance at your reviews.
I would totally respect your opinion on this if you had even ONE "higher rate" lady on your review roster.
Offense is not intended but I don't feel you can accurately make that statement.
Perhaps you have seen ladies but not reviewed them...
If so you do an injustice to the other users here who could use your wry perspective.
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No offense taken. In fact, it would be really hard to offend me.
You're right, I don't review every girl I see. But injustice? Come on. With 40+ reviews, I feel as though I've contributed plenty. I currently don't have VIP (review to come), so I can't check the list of top reviewers; however, at one point I was fairly well ranked.
I'm by no means implying you're not worth what you ask for. I've never met you, although you look stunning in your photos. I simply mean there is plenty of talent in the $200-300 range in the U.S. and even more in the under $100 range in TJ. Right now in TJ, $500 could potentially get you ten of the hottest girls you've ever seen in your life. It's an easy choice for me.
I would totally respect your opinion on this if you had even ONE "higher rate" lady on your review roster.
Offense is not intended but I don't feel you can accurately make that statement.
Perhaps you have seen ladies but not reviewed them...
If so you do an injustice to the other users here who could use your wry perspective.
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NO Shitty attitude like "The one with the pussy makes the rules". Hard to find in TJ. But they are beautiful!!! Viva Mexico
What an interesting thread this is!
Might I speak from my own personal experience as someone who has been a companion for a fair amount of time~
When I first began I wasn't half as good a companion as I am today...
I began as an awkward, socially ungraceful, fairly angry girl with no idea what I was doing.
I believed that I was just supposed to spread my legs and hope for the best, and all of my interactions were strictly sex for money. Nothing else. No connection. No concern, no care involved.
I also believed that everyone who fucked me was just out to take advantage. This made my heart hard.
Lower prices, Higher volume, clock watching turn-style service.
There are many girls that start like this, and this flavor of girl is what the world considers a prostitute, which to me, is so very different than an escort, courtesan or companion.
I began to evolve as I realized that there was so much more to this whole world than sex.
Thus began my own transformation from one side of the coin to the other....
In my eyes there is an art form to true seduction and connection, to reading your lover, to being that safe space for those who come to me with not just hard cocks but vulnerable hearts as well... They seek something they lack, and many don't know what it is.
My intimate world revolves around the small details that let my lovers know that just as they believe I am special and wonderful, that I believe the same of them in return...
These little details manifest themselves in special music that floats in the room as they enter which is chosen just for them, my knowledge of their preference of red or white wines, their favorite color and style of lingerie, their style of lovemaking, and indeed their very hearts. All these little things that make their souls happy. Its in the minutia, in the finesse that many men desire.
These lovers aren't just looking for a million girls to bang in TJ for the lowest price possible, and I can guarantee they can't do what I do...Connect.
My clients return to me for years at a time and get to know all my little quirks and eccentricities as well.
They know I hate flowers, they know I love books, they let me know in the interim of our preludes that they are thinking of me, just like I do.
The ability to deeply connect with my counterparts is an insanely valuable addition to their lives and they don't view me as a "service".
While many men simply seek a pretty orifice to get their rocks off, not caring to ever return to the same girl twice, these are not the lovers that I am particularly interested in. These men are not my bread and butter...These men are looking for the lowest price for the most services.
There seems to be a faulty logic to this thread that there should be a correlation between money and services.
However the fault lies in the services you believe correlate.
Anyone can give a blowjob. Anyone can make you cum.
However in my mind the service thats so valuable, the true correlation, is the emotional impact during and after the session.
Asian Agencies: amazing service, punctual gorgeous girls at cheap prices.
Lower prices, higher volume, turn-style service.
Everything you would physically want in a session.
No emotion.
No connection.
No English.
There should be a correlation between service and price here. They should be far more expensive right?
However we ignore the intangibles.
We ignore the heart and soul of it.
We Ignore the connection
I provide what I would refer to as EMOTIONAL LABOR and have found that it's often far more valuable than mere physical labor, and my clients also see it as more valuable and much harder to come by. That's what so very many return for.
This is what I charge more for.... this is what I had raised my prices after I evolved for.
Not to make your cock hard, but to make your heart skip a beat and your soul hit cloud nine and to give you peace in my sanctuary when the real world has kicked your ass.... I replenish you by more than orgasm.
And by this philosophy I flourish NO MATTER what the economy looks like...I don't run specials, I don't reduce price.
I'm always booked.
My regulars are kind, thoughtful generous romantic and passionate on more than just a physical level.
Seduction and Connection as an art form... A State of mind. I charge more cause I now offer more.
Unfortunately, not everyone takes their job as seriously as you do. You're truly special.
To clarify one point, I've had very strong connections with multiple providers in TJ. We would see eachother often off their clocks. In fact, I still comminicate with one girl regularly even though she no longer provides and actually now has a very stable job.
Once again, price means nothing.
Might I speak from my own personal experience as someone who has been a companion for a fair amount of time~
When I first began I wasn't half as good a companion as I am today...
I began as an awkward, socially ungraceful, fairly angry girl with no idea what I was doing.
I believed that I was just supposed to spread my legs and hope for the best, and all of my interactions were strictly sex for money. Nothing else. No connection. No concern, no care involved.
I also believed that everyone who fucked me was just out to take advantage. This made my heart hard.
Lower prices, Higher volume, clock watching turn-style service.
There are many girls that start like this, and this flavor of girl is what the world considers a prostitute, which to me, is so very different than an escort, courtesan or companion.
I began to evolve as I realized that there was so much more to this whole world than sex.
Thus began my own transformation from one side of the coin to the other....
In my eyes there is an art form to true seduction and connection, to reading your lover, to being that safe space for those who come to me with not just hard cocks but vulnerable hearts as well... They seek something they lack, and many don't know what it is.
My intimate world revolves around the small details that let my lovers know that just as they believe I am special and wonderful, that I believe the same of them in return...
These little details manifest themselves in special music that floats in the room as they enter which is chosen just for them, my knowledge of their preference of red or white wines, their favorite color and style of lingerie, their style of lovemaking, and indeed their very hearts. All these little things that make their souls happy. Its in the minutia, in the finesse that many men desire.
These lovers aren't just looking for a million girls to bang in TJ for the lowest price possible, and I can guarantee they can't do what I do...Connect.
My clients return to me for years at a time and get to know all my little quirks and eccentricities as well.
They know I hate flowers, they know I love books, they let me know in the interim of our preludes that they are thinking of me, just like I do.
The ability to deeply connect with my counterparts is an insanely valuable addition to their lives and they don't view me as a "service".
While many men simply seek a pretty orifice to get their rocks off, not caring to ever return to the same girl twice, these are not the lovers that I am particularly interested in. These men are not my bread and butter...These men are looking for the lowest price for the most services.
There seems to be a faulty logic to this thread that there should be a correlation between money and services.
However the fault lies in the services you believe correlate.
Anyone can give a blowjob. Anyone can make you cum.
However in my mind the service thats so valuable, the true correlation, is the emotional impact during and after the session.
Asian Agencies: amazing service, punctual gorgeous girls at cheap prices.
Lower prices, higher volume, turn-style service.
Everything you would physically want in a session.
No emotion.
No connection.
No English.
There should be a correlation between service and price here. They should be far more expensive right?
However we ignore the intangibles.
We ignore the heart and soul of it.
We Ignore the connection
I provide what I would refer to as EMOTIONAL LABOR and have found that it's often far more valuable than mere physical labor, and my clients also see it as more valuable and much harder to come by. That's what so very many return for.
This is what I charge more for.... this is what I had raised my prices after I evolved for.
Not to make your cock hard, but to make your heart skip a beat and your soul hit cloud nine and to give you peace in my sanctuary when the real world has kicked your ass.... I replenish you by more than orgasm.
And by this philosophy I flourish NO MATTER what the economy looks like...I don't run specials, I don't reduce price.
I'm always booked.
My regulars are kind, thoughtful generous romantic and passionate on more than just a physical level.
Seduction and Connection as an art form... A State of mind. I charge more cause I now offer more.
I completely agree and commend you for stating how important it is to make a connection that extends beyond just sex. I have been fortunate in meeting a wonderful lady that I could easily spend an entire day with her. Charm, fun, and drama-free sums up what I look for when I describe a once in a lifetime experience.
Now, the ladies in TJ are, in many instances "Model Material", but the connection is purely sex and little more. Finding a lady that truly enjoys your company and is not trying to bang and go is rare. It's nothing I would describe as Once In A Lifetime.
Unfortunately, U must admit Ms. Bliss, that not all ladies are as evolved as you. I just hope I meet more like you and less drama-queens that sometimes pop up.
This has been a very interesting thread to read, as have a number of the responses as well.
I appreciate the insight you've provided on why you've chosen to set your rate at the level it is. I've seen ladies in a number of places, whose rates have ranged the entire spectrum. I've had some wonderful experiences with some of them, and some not so much. The biggest reason - was chemistry. Just didn't exist or wasn't at the level I was hoping for. I know what works for me and what doesn't. Doesn't mean that she wasn't a great lady, just meant that I wasn't a good fit for them. You can try and create a certain ambiance, but realistically, it is either there or it isn't.
I've known some who just started out and as they built up their client base, they opted to up their rate. I can respect that. But on the flip side, I weigh whether the experience I had is worth what they are now are asking. Sometimes it was, other times it wasn't. Every guy has to make that decision for themselves.
I will say this, I've lucked out and found a great lady to spend time with. We get each other, we know what each other's likes and dislikes are, we read each other well. While she may not rate a 9 or 10 in appearance, she's my type. She also happens to be on the lower end of the scale, but knowing that I do make sure to leave what I think is something more equitable
People ask me - hope I can refer them to you
Of course you can refer them to me. I'm always willing to help as best I can. I just need to renew my VIP status. It's amazing how your inbox blows up as soon as you make a few comments.
Please don't forget, those observations are not coming from gentleman.
The trip to TJ and back is worth the added expense of seeing a beautiful lady to America with references ... Priceless
Except that the data reported by YOU clients says otherwise lol
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that chart means very little. There are so many other factors that are omitted.
Bottom line is that everyone has to decide for themselves what they are looking for and at what level. If they believe it was worth it, they'll return.
Eva, did you pull together this chart? such a NERD, LOL.
Seriously, thanks for the hard data, but I'm not sure you can draw the conclusion that you get better service if you pay more. You'd need a blind study of "dates" with no donation from girls who normally provide at various price points. Only then would you eliminate an 'expectation-based" bias. Any gals care to volunteer?
Back to my experience: higher donations generally (but not always) get better hotels, high heels, and cocktail dresses. Sometimes just a girl with an amazing look and attitude that is worth WHATEVER she is asking
probably you get same service but if you have high disposable income you simply do not look for bargain providers like you do not buy cheap cars & you do not live in the ghetto. It is all relative but if you think you are smarter because you pay less...I hate to tell you but you are not. If you were smarter you would be rich. LOL
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It's not about what I can afford. My point was, women can charge whatever they want. It has no bearing on their talent. For example, two of he most orally talented women in San Diego are both under $300. PM me if you want their names.
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Is the type of client, that you get at certain price points. I find in certain cities, that some clients price cap is $300/ hour. I can raise a provider's rates to $350/hour and it doesn't matter who the lady is, these certain clients will not book with her again. I have providers that are $300 an hour on up. I find more clients in the $300/hour range complain and nitpick over the silliest shit.
At $350/hour to $400/hour and up, clients are better quality. Again, this is NOT to say all clients who cap at $300/ hour are horrible, I find less complaints, whining, and headache as soon as I up a provider's rate.
Some of the common issues with a lot of $300/hour clients, nitpick over 2-3 minutes of time "I walked into the room at 4:59 pm and I walked out of the room at 5:57 pm, I didn't get a full hour even though I had two rounds in an hour", ask me if their 2 minute shower is on the clock, try to stay over the hour by 30 minutes sometimes, try to get as many "rounds" or "cups" in an hour, expect the girl to sport fuck for the whole 60 minutes, refuse to shower, and the list goes on and on.
So one cities $300/hour is another cities $400/ hour and you can see why some ladies charge the premium rates, it's less bullshit and less of a headache. You get those clients at the higher price point also, but not as often.
I've seen about a dozen different providers over the last year. Only one has increased her donation. Two higher priced gals run specials fairly often. The rest have been steady. (I'm not seeing inflation).
I hear what you're saying tung; however, there are still plenty of providers who are excellent dates at less than 300. 6 of the last 8 ladies I have reviewed here were between 200 and 260. 5 of those were terrific dates. Check em out.
Have done TJ too thru an agency with first-rate hotel part of package, as I don't go into clubs there. Nice girls at bargain rates, but you do have to allot a good bit of time when you factor in getting to the border, crossing both ways, and getting back home. In my case, a friend and I combined the hobbying with a round of golf there to make a day of it; but not everyone has that time available.
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If you're going to adventure south of the border check the latest listings with the Department of Defense off limit list it could save you a lot of hassle and a disappointing evening.
Why would you check with the DoD before going to Mexico?
So, you're referring to active duty personnel? My question was why would the average person check the DoD list? I'm referring to TJ, not Baghdad.
Yes, she is Miss Frenchie's protégé, butt............https://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=13864&boardID=95&page=1#13864
She has photos, donation, and...............a price.
I think Goldie's response covered this. Paraphrasing: " I've got a friend and I'm vouching for her."
Goldie has presented new friends, so has Frenchie, and just recently so has Alivia Amoretta. If you've seen these ladies and trust them, and have no issues with their rates you shouldn't need a review to justify the asking price for their friend. Seriously I'd much sooner trust a girl I've been with and had a great time with than any review or even back-channel info.
Let's say the new girl is offering specials to establish a client base. Just how many reviews and at what average score does it take to justify a price increase?
If you want cheaper, go to TJ, or shop BP, or just use TER's search tool. Nothing wrong with any of these options