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Re: Perjoratives aside.
dncphil 16 Reviews 1561 reads
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Emotional pejoratives like "commie" and "bastard" do little to further debate.

With that having been said, it does cause great concern that prior to running for president, Obama had a history of associations with groups and individuals that do have a frightening attitude to Jews.  Wright, Farakhan, Ayers, , Robert Malley who resigned from Obama's staff when it was revealed he had meetings with Hamas, Khalidi, and others.

Indeed, tangentially, he is one step away from a group that openly advocates genocide, since his church of 20 years printed Hamas bullitens, an organization which is not shy about its genocidal intentions.If you listen to any of his self-described "mentors," you hear a disconserting pattern.

On the other hand, prior to running for president, he had no known association with anyone sympathetic to Israel.
While this is not a "smoking gun," it is enough to be a cause of concern.

Compound this ambiguity (at best) with Bidden's belief Obama will be tested, it makes the Middle East an attractive grounds to conduct the test to see where he stands.

If this is not cause for concern, I don't know what is.

Israel will not survive an Obama presidency.

Hezbollah, Hamas, Syria and Iran all stated and promulgated that they want to destroy the country of Israel and kill as many Jews as they can in the process.  AND THEY ALL WANT OBAMA TO WIN!!!

Don't be stupid like Sarah Silverman and a bunch of other lefty Jews that are going to be voting for Obama and the rest of the dumbass demoncraps democrats.  Obama is just using you.  Obama is turning you into a Kapo.

Obama will ruin the USA and Israel will get destroyed.  Obama is a Jew hating Neo-Bolshevik.

Therefore, Obama is a dirty rotten commie.  Plus he's a bastard.

PS Therefore, Obama is a dirty rotten commie bastard.

When O starts his phased withdrawal. The Islamists hands will be tied for quite some time. Any hostility at all would invite our forces back full strength if not more.

Through skillful use of diplomacy Isreal can be saved. They want Obama to win. Great so do I. America must be percieved to be unbiased on a global level, serving only her intersts and no other.

American Jews should be no more concered with the fate of Isreal than I would of Scottland or Poland. And alot really arent IMO.

     
Here is O's Iraq policy. Tell me in what part do you see Isreals downfall?

Since the surge began, more than 1,000 American troops have died, and despite the improved security situation, the Iraqi government has not stepped forward to lead the Iraqi people and to reach the genuine political accommodation that was the stated purpose of the surge. Our troops have heroically helped reduce civilian casualties in Iraq to early 2006 levels. It is also a consequence of the decision of many Sunnis to turn against al Qaeda in Iraq, and a lull in Shia militia activity. But the absence of genuine political accommodation in Iraq is a direct result of President Bush’s failure to hold the Iraqi government accountable.

As Army Chief of Staff General George Casey said in March, “Today’s Army is out of balance. The current demand for our forces in Iraq and Afghanistan exceeds the sustainable supply and limits our ability to provide ready forces for other contingencies.”

Resurgent Al Qaeda in Afghanistan: The decision to invade Iraq diverted resources from the war in Afghanistan, making it harder for us to kill or capture Osama Bin Laden and others involved in the 9/11 attacks. Nearly seven years later, the Taliban has reemerged in southern Afghanistan while Al Qaeda has used the space provided by the Iraq war to regroup, train and plan for another attack on the United States. 2007 was the most violent year in Afghanistan since the invasion in 2001. The scale of our deployments in Iraq continues to set back our ability to finish the fight in Afghanistan, producing unacceptable strategic risks.

A New Strategy Needed: The Iraq war has lasted longer than World War I, World War II,  $2.7 trillion on this war and its aftermath, yet we are less safe around the globe and more divided at home. American troops have found the right tactics to contain the violence in Iraq, but we still have the wrong strategy to press Iraqis to take responsibility at home, and restore America’s security and standing in the world.

A Responsible, Phased Withdrawal
Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 – more than 7 years after the war began.

Under the Obama-Biden plan, a residual force will remain in Iraq and in the region to conduct targeted counter-terrorism missions against al Qaeda in Iraq and to protect American diplomatic and civilian personnel. They will not build permanent bases in Iraq, but will continue efforts to train and support the Iraqi security forces as long as Iraqi leaders move toward political reconciliation and away from sectarianism.

There is no military solution to Iraq’s political differences, but the Bush Administration’s blank check approach has failed to press Iraq’s leaders to take responsibility for their future or to substantially spend their oil revenues on their own reconstruction.

A phased withdrawal will encourage Iraqis to take the lead in securing their own country and making political compromises, while the responsible pace of redeployment called for by the Obama-Biden plan offers more than enough time for Iraqi leaders to get their own house in order.

Surging Diplomacy
This effort will include all of Iraq’s neighbors—including Iran and Syria, as suggested by the bi-partisan The Iraq Study Group Report. This compact will aim to secure Iraq’s borders; keep neighboring countries from meddling inside Iraq; isolate al Qaeda; support reconciliation among Iraq’s sectarian groups; and provide financial support for Iraq’s reconstruction and development.

He will provide at least $2 billion to expand services to Iraqi refugees in neighboring countries, and ensure that Iraqis inside their own country can find sanctuary. Obama and Biden will also work with Iraqi authorities and the international community to hold the perpetrators of potential war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide accountable. They will reserve the right to intervene militarily, with our international partners, to suppress potential genocidal violence within Iraq.

The Status-of-Forces-Agreement

should be negotiated in the context of a broader commitment by the U.S. to begin withdrawing its troops and forswearing permanent bases. Obama and Biden also believe that any security accord must be subject to Congressional approval. It is unacceptable that the Iraqi government will present the agreement to the Iraqi parliament for approval—yet the Bush administration will not do the same with the U.S. Congress. The Bush administration must submit the agreement to Congress or allow the next administration to negotiate an agreement that has bipartisan support here at home and makes absolutely clear that the U.S. will not maintain permanent bases in Iraq.

Barack Obama’s Record
Barack Obama opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning. In 2002, as the conventional thinking in Washington lined up for war, Obama had the judgment and courage to speak out against the war. He said the war would lead to “an occupation of undetermined length, with undetermined costs and undetermined consequences.” In January 2007, Obama introduced legislation to responsibly end the war in Iraq, with a phased withdrawal of troops engaged in combat operations

NY times July 08

Sweatleaf68, 1"American Jews should be no more concered with the fate of Isreal than I would of Scottland or Poland. And alot really arent IMO."


And the above is not only the most ridiculous,  but also the most ignorant statement I have read in a long time ...other than sarcasm...Were you being sarcastic and it went over my head??

Where in O's plan for Iraq do you see Isreals downfall?

Ok compare the Catholics to Rome then. If you need a more Religious example. WTFC I live in America.

Diplmacy must be tried.  O is our best shot for that. The only other option is going to be Nuclear deployment.

kerrakles1278 reads

Every country has its own self interest. Especially like the statement "Islamist hands will be tied". With what, How and Why would they do that?

Diplomacy, yep that really works with Islamist Fundamentalist who blow themselves up to go to heaven to be with 13 Virgins.

Are you kidding?

It is going to be like S. Korea, going to be there for a long time. OB being against the war in 2002 is BS, he didn't have to vote.

I was against the war to but now the reality has changed and one has to accept the reality and deal with it.

This is exactly the problem I have left wing liberal, their head is screwed counter clockwise on every issue they take up.


anon11122451991 reads

than it must be true, not!  Please give me a break you might as well be quoting the kos.

Emotional pejoratives like "commie" and "bastard" do little to further debate.

With that having been said, it does cause great concern that prior to running for president, Obama had a history of associations with groups and individuals that do have a frightening attitude to Jews.  Wright, Farakhan, Ayers, , Robert Malley who resigned from Obama's staff when it was revealed he had meetings with Hamas, Khalidi, and others.

Indeed, tangentially, he is one step away from a group that openly advocates genocide, since his church of 20 years printed Hamas bullitens, an organization which is not shy about its genocidal intentions.If you listen to any of his self-described "mentors," you hear a disconserting pattern.

On the other hand, prior to running for president, he had no known association with anyone sympathetic to Israel.
While this is not a "smoking gun," it is enough to be a cause of concern.

Compound this ambiguity (at best) with Bidden's belief Obama will be tested, it makes the Middle East an attractive grounds to conduct the test to see where he stands.

If this is not cause for concern, I don't know what is.

Hmmm Obama making some of ya sweat, eh??

Rarely do the Zionists take a chance on anyone who has not proven to be a shabbos goy in the past and McCain is certainly a prostitute for Israel. The "war hero" has turned into a Benedict Arnold as he now advocates an agenda that has American soldiers dying for Israel.

Had Obama been a white guy his chances at the Presidency would have been kaput. Had a white guy had a Christian preacher who was not preaching this Christian/Zionist stuff most do these days, he would have been blown out of the water.

I can't tell you what the rational is behind this risky move. Perhaps your tribe wants to rub the white majorities face in it some more.

I really doubt that you have anything to worry about though, Obama might not be as slavish a servant as your used to but I highly doubt he will do anything significant in the service of truth,justice and honor.

And hey what are you worrying about, I mean if he does end up being uppity and defies Zionists and Israel, thats nothing a good old Mossaud hit that would be blamed on "white racists" couldn't take care of. Of course we all know that Jorg Haider was not killed in a legit car wreck a month ago in Austria was he???

May America and the rest one day be free of ZOG and may all people of good will one day have the opportunity to live free. After all its been about 63 years of lies, stupidity and cowardice hasn't it??

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I do believe that this last post has a new record for offensive comments.  I think there should be some sort of prize of the greatest lack of diplomacy.

GaGambler1966 reads

He does keep setting the bar lower and lower however.

I'm no fan of Israel myself, but T&D brings it to a new level.

Hey Ron Paul talked about "a bad foreign policy" but was too nice to point out the people who formulate that bad policy. The Zionists laugh at these "responsible conservatives" and what did it get Ron Paul besides a t-shirt saying "I spent millions on a presidential campaign and all I got was this stupid T-shirt."

I don't say things to offend anyone. Some might be into that kinda thing, nostalgic seig heiler types who like to play act in stupid uniforms, but I just believe in calling a spade a spade. Much of the information I have researched in coming to my conclusions have come right from the Zionists mouths.

Ever heard of a book entitled "You Gentiles". Yeah that book is just filled with feel good accounts of the desire for brotherhood with the rest of mankind on the part of the chosen.

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Too lame to dignify be repeating.  I think I will adopt your approach. Forewarned....

The only major product and export from Israel is regional religious/political unrest.

Israel grows some tasty oranges; but the fuel injectors on my car & motorcycle clog quickly from the pulp, and the juice refuses to burn under the common compression ratios used in most internal combustion engines.

I was in 4th grade during the 6 Day war, and even then I couldn’t understand why the U.S. was so adamant about siding with a country that had nothing but religious theological horseshit to offer while seemingly ALL of their enemies had a practical natural resource that was ever present in nearly every aspect of American life.

 If ya just put down the storybook of scripture it seems we have sided with STUPID for 60 years.  

so all that matters is who owns the oil? no wonder you go for Obama - that's quite a foreign policy perspective.

Time to awaken from your 60 year slumber.

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Easy answer why the U.S. sides with a country that has nothing but orange juice against the enemies with our most important natural resource.

The Arabs have produced a hideous civilization where women can't drive a F___'in car and can have their throat slit if they disgrace their brothers.  

Israel has its flaws, but they don't cut people's heads off for taking a hostile position and they don't kill people for apostasy or blasphemy, like the Arabs do.

I could go on and on and on about the horrors of the Moslem world from killing movie makers to condemning authors.

We have sided with a decent democracy against our better financial interests.  It is the same reason why we side with Tiawan against China.  We support the more decent side.

but these effusive proclamations of unwavering, and eternal love & fidelity to Israel certainly do not further peaceful relations with their long ago estranged, and insalubrious kin.



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