My last appt was in an upscale hotel. A room service staff member was right outside the door. She smiled at me as I knocked. Of course she knew. So what.
For mongers like myself who often see touring providers for incalls in hotels in our hometown, elevator access keys can be a pain in the ass. Several of the touring pros like to use some of the high end hotels in our Center City that require an elevator access key to get to the floor. For me it is awkward and risky to be waiting around in a hotel lobby for the provider to come down to escort me to the room. Two providers that I saw recently, Roz Cummings and Gemma DeRossi, have a simple approach that solves this problem in most hotels. Most of these hotels have meeting and conference rooms on floors that do not require an access key. I simply took the elevator to those floors and texted my elevator location to the provider who met me on that floor and escorted me to the room.
Maybe this is one of those obvious solutions that most hobbyists are aware of, but thought I would share it with those who are not.
All a provider has to do is read hotel reviews or call ahead pretending she has children and is 'worried' about security... just ask them. I made the mistake of using a Marriott that required this, and it was a total pain in the ass having to be fully dressed to go down and get him. NO thanks. What you described works, but why the added hassle? Simply avoid hotels that use key cards. The cameras still caught her escorting you to her room vs. you simply walking in, and her not being seen
I don't pick the hotels, the providers do.I hate those hotels. I generally tell a provider my concerns if we communicate before the hotel is booked. In those situations where they have already booked such a hotel, this works for me. BTW, when I entered the elevator, I did not make eye contact, and the providers and I acted as if we didn't know each other (which we didn't) and I lagged several feet behind before exiting the elevator and entering the room. I am less concerned about the security cameras on those floors. My concern is bumping into colleagues or friends in that lobby/hotel as I entered it with an escort.
period and have incalls for most of Fla and La. I will never book another hotel with a key card. Even when I stayed in Manhattan a few times where every damn thing has a buzzer or key card, I never had that problem. I just read the reviews on hotels.com and called to make sure before I booked. It's added time and hassle having to go down and get someone, plus like you said, you are more likely to be seen during that extra time. I am super cautious though. Will not even be seen at all with more than one person during a hotel stay. If I have a dinner date, I meet them in the car vs. walking out with them and I walk back in alone.
In this hobby everyone is always talking about "high end" hotels too. Those are the very ones more likely to require keys. The notell motels don't. Maybe not true everywhere but almost all the Waikiki hotels require keys for elevators, and the last three hotels I've been to in Vegas did, as well as the few Kauai and Maui hotels I have been to in the last 5-6 years.
Four out of my last 5 incalls were elevator key hotels, as were my last three outcalls. There are so many easy workarounds. Like GaG and Zen, I have no problem walking in like I belong there. I have followed other guests into the elevator and had them push my floor button, met on another floor, or the parking garage elevator, and also just met the lady right in the lobby. The important thing is if it is a key required elevator for the provider to let the client know that ahead of time (for incall, or vice versa for outcall) and have a plan.
Yes, it does depend on the city for sure but like I said, research goes a long way. If you stick with 3.5 and 4 stars there are dozens that do not have this. I do know that around certain events, all hotels start locking things down... Mardi Gras, Superbowl, etc. but that is not year round. I don't use SUPER high end hotels (over 4 stars) for the hobby unless it's an overnight.... at that point, I usually insist on one of my incalls because it's just more comfortable. Like I said, it's not you guys who have the most issues with this, but us. You are one person coming and going one time... we are there for DAYS or even a week straight so being seen with even one guy a day is not gonna fly with me, but others have their own way too. Hell, I know women who will not stay more than a day at the same hotel... they literally check out and check in a new one each day. That sounds like a pain and lost money between that check in and check out break from 11-3, but it makes them feel more secure
So long as you meet at reasonable hours, this is not an issue here at most hotels. By reasonable, here it's before midnight. Some become more restrictive in the wee hours, but that's true everywhere.
ice making machine on the mezz level. Super discreet given the key card does not have a room number on it. Still, I hate these arrangements on GP.
From a provider's perspective, I usually avoid booking hotels whose elevators require keycards. But sometimes, when I'm visiting a city for reasons related to my other job (I cater special events), and staying with friends in town, I'm only meeting one gentleman on any given day and will find it a reasonable option to book a hotel that requires a keycard, often because it's a fabulous and convenient hotel in many other ways besides the elevator issue. But I'll always check with my client to make sure he is okay with a hotel that requires a keycard before I book that type of hotel, in case that would be uncomfortable for him. We have many ways to research our hotels, including calling the hotel directly. But also, there are many ways to get around this problem, such as meeting on an alternate floor (meeting floor, pool floor, mezzanine, etc.) or hiding a keycard somewhere accessible to a visitor within the hotel. 
....that doesn't require access keys. Its worth a little research time on her part to make it easier on her clients.
I found myself in this situation and I just walked up.Lol
behaving in ways other guests do not draws attention. Period.
She books a room, perfectly legal and something she has a right to do. She has guests come and go from her room, perfectly legal and something she has every right to do. I've been on business trips where friends and associates came and went from my hotel all the time. It's not unusual. News flash: people even have sex in hotel rooms. Sometimes with more than one person a day. Not unusual. Just own it; she belongs there and so do you as her guest. Anything else, regardless of elevator keys, is unusual.
I agree with London that it is far easier when no elevator key is required... but more and more hotels are now requiring them.
It may be a pain in the ass to dress completely and meet me in the hotel bar or restaurant, but it sure does cut down on LE risk for both of us, and looks more normal (like friends or business associates) than playing musical elevators or parachuting onto the roof and entering through the AC vents. Plus, I'll spring for the meal - I'll even let her order a la carte.
You obviously missed the point of my post. It has to do with the need for discretion in meeting providers in hotels in our hometowns. Meeting is restaurants or bars simply compounds the problem for us. If I am traveling it is not an issue. It is certainly not James Bond garbage and it was not about providers having to get dressed each time.
that at the city level, we hobby often in the same place. A city of 4-5 million people. Most of whom don't spend time in their hometown hotels. I have never run into someone I know when meeting a provider in a hotel, hotel bar or hotel restaurant.
I HAVE run into people I know while in a restaurant with a provider. I introduced her as "my friend ______" and didn't worry about it. I can easily explain it away as lunch or dinner with a friend or business acquaintance. Once again, you have to own it.
My point is that I think you may be letting your worry for discretion in one area create greater risks in another.
Just my opinion
I have found that hotels with elevators that require keycard access to higher floors often have an unlocked staircase right next to the elevator. Yes it requires a little extra work but to me it's worth it to take the stairs and remain discreet. Going down is much easier as the elevator will descend to the lobby without using a room key. Another possibility is to wait by the elevators for another guest with a keycard; if you look like any other hotel guest often people will hold the elevator for you.
I walk into every hotel like I own the place, or at least like my business there is as legitimate as anyone else's. Ducking around corners to avoid cameras, leaving key cards around surreptitiously, and generally acting like you are up to something is what attracts attention. No one care about people coming and going in a busy, or even a quiet hotel. To this day I cannot for a moment imagine being accosted by the hotel staff for any reason.
You made a suggestion, maybe some people thought it was helpful, but it's plain that many people do not.
I am one of those people that when a provider is in a hotel that requires key cards, I will simply let her come down and get me, and like MZ I don't mind having a drink in the hotel bar before going back upstairs. As long as it doesn't count against my BCD time of course.
GG you are usually pretty good at following the thrust of a post and responding accordingly. This post was not addressed to you "free spirits" who go anywhere you want and fuck anyone you want, the world be damned. It was a suggestion to those of us with SO's or wives who would prefer some discretion when we hobby in our hometown. Hopefully they will benefit from the posts that are actually responsive to the OP.
Zen made a post, I responded to it. Just because it was made on a thread that you started doesn't mean every post on the thread is directed at you.
Quite frankly I find all this cloak and dagger stuff that many of you "hobbyists" do rather comical. Guys are coming in with gym bags they don't need, skulking around hallways trying to avoid cameras, taking the stairs instead of the elevator, all in a vain effort to "look normal" when just the opposite is true.
You've been here long enough to know that you can only start an OP, you cannot control what direction the thread once it takes on a life of your own. I think you will agree I am being very "nice" by my standards, normally I would rip someone a new asshole for trying to control the responses on a public thread. Do we really want to go there??? lol
I am not trying to "control" responses, but I have seen you trash posts that are not responsive. You can be nice or nasty -- As you know I can play as rough as you. It's your call.
Maybe you just didn't make that big an impression on me?
and yes you are trying to control responses, most likely it's because I don't see a single post on this thread saying "what a great idea" you've posted.
If you are as smart and "worldly" as you claim to be, you would drop it as well.
I was talking to Zen when you decided to tell me, and others what a proper response to your OP was. As usual, no one listened.
So, if you are done whining, I will go back to talking to Zen, if he even cares anymore that is.
...expressing their opinion. I do see someone being a little thin skinned however.
You made a valid suggestion on how to deal with key cards... Excuse us, if a few of us don't worry about it like you do. I guess you are that high profile that you'd be recognized in the lobby. Personally, I see traveling gals at their hotels where I live... Not a big deal... It's a big enough metro area that the odds are pretty slim I'd run into someone I might know. Even if I did, I could easily come up with a plausible cover. I agree with Zen and GaG that some of this clandestine crap just draws negative attention to yourself and makes people, who wouldn't give it another thought, wonder what you're up to.
One gal left my alias at the front desk and had them let me up. No problem at all.
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for several days or a week. Sorry, but I am not being seen with a different guy every day in public in the very hotel I am sleeping in. Yah, I am there on business and ALL my associates happen to be men, and we ALL have a drink then go upstairs? LMAO... I will stick to the way I do things
Walk in the lobby as if you have a room in the hotel, be nice if greeted just as you would if you were staying there. It helps that I'm in my early fifties and I look like any other business traveler. After you've been to enough hotels you can pick out where the elevators will be once you walk into the lobby. Do not draw attention to yourself, and by all means do not ask where the elevators are, if you were staying there you would already know. I appreciate when a provider tells me which hotel she will be at ahead of time so that I can get a room in the same hotel, this way when I leave her room with rubberband legs, I have a short walk or elevator ride to my room as opposed to having to drive back to my hotel
is the best way to act unusually and spark the interest of said friend... as well as hotel staff. It's exactly the opposite of "owning it" when you go into a hotel.
Of course now, my favorite hotel knows I'm a womangering pig and the desk clerks wink at me when my "guests" depart. Note I did not infringe on your copyrighted phrase.
My last appt was in an upscale hotel. A room service staff member was right outside the door. She smiled at me as I knocked. Of course she knew. So what.
So much more exciting....I did LOL when I read that ...thank you for the giggle Zen.
When they enter, so do you; they activate the elevator panel and you punch in your desired floor.
Can wait by pretending to have a phone call and absentmindedly entering elevator, or working on email on a smartphone. Neither would draw much attention, especially if you end the "call" once inside the elevator, but after selecting the floor.
Would only work for hotels with a fair amount of traffic, but won't negate the OP's risk of being spotted in a hotel in his hometown.
I've never had to deal with this issue in P4P so can't offer real world experience.
Maybe this is one of those obvious solutions that most hobbyists are aware of, but thought I would share it with those who are not.
She told me to use the non-keycard elevator as high as it would go. She met me on that floor, and used her card to go up to her floor. But, have to agree with most, keycard elevators can be a pain in the ass.
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And you're on to it already. Meet on another floor, and you don't need a floor with a conference room, you go up to 4, she comes down to 4 or whichever you agree upon. Typically only the top floors require room keys to operate elevators.
I have conducted job interviews in hotels many times and not single hotel has ever asked me anything about the tens of people came for the interview.
As long as you act normal you are fine. When act weird and suspicious in a hotel, then they get concerned and start watching your moves.
Hotels have thousands of people saying for many different purposes, they don’t care.
Guy gets on the elevator with a group of other people. If they are going to his floor, no problem, but otherwise he gets off at the floor closest to the one he wants, then takes the stairs up or down to her floor.
In some hotels once you are in the stairwell, you can only go up to the roof or down to the lobby all of the other entrances to the floors are locked.
I found that out the hard way once. lol
The group gets off on the 5th floor but your date is on the 30th?
I just walk in with a group and have someone hit my floor button for me. I don't make it obvious by asking someone right off to hit my floor. I usually pull out my wallet and start fumbling through my credit cards like I'm looking for my key, and someone inevitably asks, "what floor?" Almost always works.
Act like you belong and everything will be fine.
By being too paranoid to come down from her room, and simply deal with the issue. She was/is a good friend, and we both wanted to see each other. She eventually did come down, and it worked out well...once we got to her room... Though hotel security and LE were all over the place, they were not after her. Still, the delay made things more more risky...
Act normal.
I have seen many providers in hotels. Always took my back pack and acted like I was there for a business meeting. Walked straight to the elevators and got on.
You people needs to go and sit in the lobby for an hour or two to learn how people behave in a hotel.
I can only imagine what your definition of normal is, most likely sitting in the lobby with drool running down your chin, just like you do here.
Rather than trying to look like I am there for business meeting, I prefer to look like I am a customer at the hotel. Easy to blend in if you know how to, and where you are going. Ask the lady you are seeing for info on that if needed...most will let you know readily
When the lady shows up in a Julia Roberts Pretty Woman Type of outfit, you know, the one before Richard Gere got his hands on her. Most of my play is at professional conferences and when it is obvious why the lady is there and I have to go downstairs, oh gawd! It happened twice last year and I was literally ashamed walking through the hotel lobby, one of them really should not even have bothered with any type of clothes at all, she might as well have walked through the lobby naked with a box of condoms - BTW, lovely lady, had a great time, but the walk of shame was not fun - Pangloss praying "pretty please, nobody see me, nobody recognize me, I hope nobody I know hops on the elevator with us...."
I know, probably not what the OP was posting about, it just made me think about it. There is a reason why my P411 profile says "conservative attire" in that little section. Not a stick in the mud, I could care less what the lady wears and I could care less if people around us know exactly what was is going on, I don't give a crap, just not in a professional setting though, that's all.
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That was exactly what my original post was all about. I feel your pain.
Who the hell dresses like a hooker unless she is behind closed doors? DO women really still have to be told to wear a business suit or a nice collared shirt with a skirt and modest heels? Sorry, just can't stop picturing that scene play out. I generally only dress in business attire... never jeans, shorts, etc. and most certainly not anything that screams "Stripper" or "Hooker." I also think it looks odd period being seen with a man 20 plus years older than me, who the hotel is pretty certain is not my "Uncle" lol. But, that's just me. I have no problem going out to dinner, but I will not be walking in or out of the lobby with anyone.
Ugg boots, the ones that are higher than the ankle but not full length folded down to show the sheep hair or whatever the fuck they line those with. Jean Daisy Dukes that showed the little crease of skin where the ass ends - thank goodness she shaved the front or that would have shown as well. Revealing scoop neck tank top that was not even midriff, basically a little piece of cloth that barely covered the breasts, which of course, were flopping sans a bra. To top it off, there was the huge necklace that went down to about the belly button. I am not kidding, a stroll through the lobby in the nude would have been less noticeable. Yeppers, $400 per hour.
I have those boots and certainly some daisy dukes... I wear them to the fkin lake where everyone else is already half naked. I actually feel funny in work out clothes at upscale hotels. Why don't those fks ever put the gym off the main floor? I have to walk through the lobby all wet... ugh.
the Daisy Dukes are fine where everyone else is half naked. I have zero problems with it in the right setting, I can misbehave and be completely risqué, I just cannot do it in a place where it collides with this fucking fake corporate persona I use to make a living. Reminds me, earlier this week I was on this conference call with bigwigs from one of the best known companies in the world and what am I doing? Yes, I am on TER and then I hear "well Pangloss, what do you think about that? Pangloss?" Then I have to jump into my phony professional persona and entertain the participants with a 15 minute diatribe that said nothing but sounded good - I wanted to be a politician but I literally fucked my way out of that many years ago. BTW, not that young of a chick, the Julia Roberts impersonator, she is 28.