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It is appreciated among the field of mockery and jibes.

I say this in all seriousness.

Hi everyone, I'm Mia from the DMV and I usually don't post on the discussion boards but I really want to know if I am the only one who feels this way.....

I have been in the industry for about two years (minimal tenure in most eyes) but I feel I have a unique perspective on where the industry is or where it is headed. You may have seen me with my colleague and bff amberraeofdc -or-  you may have seen my ad here or there online. I recently decided to step it up by transitioning from beginner to a more professional level with a website and other promotional whatnots (currently researching)

Now to my issue.....
I remember in my beginning experiences when I was just a girl with a cell phone and a dream, I found myself overwhelmed with the amount of responses I received!  
During that time, most work was about quantity not quality at that time and I had pretty low standards, or I should say, less expectations on the people I welcomed into my world.
However, as I continued my journey I encountered the difference between a client and a hobbyist. Now, if you need further clarification on the difference between the two, then you might be a client.

My dilemma is essentially this: I seem to run into more clients than hobbyists, which both confuses and frightens me. Is the Industry changing? Or even scarier, are the people changing...? Where did the hobbyists go and can they please come back? I can not believe that they are extinct or just a figment of my imagination, like a unicorn.....

All that aside, I want to put a question out there. Are you just passing through or are you a connoisseur who really wants to enjoy the experience and the fantasy involved? Not just the "wham bam thank you ma'am".... Maybe my expectations are too high, Or maybe others expectations are too low. I take MY experience seriously... And yes, I call it an experience because when you see me it's not just a meeting it's an all out sensory experience surpassing fantasy.
So let me stop my ramble and end with a simple question,
Is the hobbyist dead? Or am I just living in fantasy land....? And if there are hobbyists, would you like to come join me?

What's the definition of a "client" vs. "hobbyists"?

Posted By: lordchesterfield
What's the definition of a "client" vs. "hobbyists"?

I assume a hobbyist must look like a unicorn, because I've never seen one.

A hobbyist displays the good manners to extend his pinky finger during breast fondling.

...a client is a definition for the rest of us is required. I gleaned from your assertion that if we need clarification on the difference we might be a client (as well as other statements) you think a hobbyist is preferred.  

That's interesting considering many of the mongers here don't like the term hobbyist. It's a euphemism meant to obfuscate. Then there are providers that don't want to see hobbyists because they would rather see gents that want an experience not just another notch on their "hobby" belt.

Defining your terms will garner the best responses.

To me a hobbyist is likely to be a "one and done" and plans to move on to the next conquest quickly.  In contrast, a client is looking for a long-term mutually-beneficial P4P relationship (for lack of a better term).

It is appreciated among the field of mockery and jibes.

I say this in all seriousness.

Also I don't think most people were mocking you. They truly wanted you to define what you thought was the difference between a hobbyist and a client.  

Posted By: amberraeofdc
It is appreciated among the field of mockery and jibes.  
   
 I say this in all seriousness.

We are not user two handles I am Mia and amberraeofdc is a close business partner of mine....it was also explained in the post hun xoxo

I know amberraeofdc knows what I'm talking about bae xoxo ...logic is always welcomed favorably

Hello Love, we are still out here.  I would hate for a bunch of punters to ruin things for those of us who appreciate.  Please do not lose hope. :-)

I assume by DMV you mean DC, MD, VA?  I get up there occasionally..

Thank you ... Your kind words bring me comfort in such a bleak time ... Lol.... Xoxo

...that a "hobbyist" is one who relishes their hobby, enjoying all of the fine nuances of it, and can't wait to spend every moment dedicated to enjoying it and eagerly anticipating the next time that they will be able to engage in it.

A "client" is more of a business venture with none of the passion and pure joy associated with a hobby/pastime.

 

Or I could be completely wrong. :D

To use another metaphor:

A client is like a diner at a restaurant.  He may or may not care about the food, but is there basically to either fill his stomach and/or meet with someone (say for business).

A real lover of food however may or may not ever go to a restaurant, but eats as an aesthetic experience savoring each and every step of the meal including the preparation and even the aftermath of cleaning up, etc.

I know a few men who rarely or seldom engage as clients (They don't have a lot of $.), but enjoy the hobby lifestyle nevertheless, and are much appreciated by the providers they do know.

I count myself as a hobbyists, under your use of the term.  I just love the lifestyle and try to do what I can to enthuse  this view in whatever I do.

Well .....I think you are completely correct ....and may I say I enjoy the company of both the client and the hobbyists to a certain level however the hobbyists just give you a certain something to look forward too....your definition was on point xoxo

Posted By: lopaw
...that a "hobbyist" is one who relishes their hobby, enjoying all of the fine nuances of it, and can't wait to spend every moment dedicated to enjoying it and eagerly anticipating the next time that they will be able to engage in it.  
   
 A "client" is more of a business venture with none of the passion and pure joy associated with a hobby/pastime.  
   
   
   
 Or I could be completely wrong. :D

I'm a true hobbyist in every sense of your meaning. I cherish every moment of every session, and take them seriously. I'm communicative. I always show up at the appointed place, and on time. I'm clean. I always bring the correct, whatever it is we're supposed to bring. I always plan my sessions ahead of time, not only so I can prepare myself physically, but also to savor the anticipation of being with a favorite lady. What's more, the session isn't all about me. I like being an attentive lover, and enjoy seeing the tell tale signs of pleasure. I try to be friendly, complimentary, flirtatious, and humorous. It's not hard to be humorous since there are so many wildly funny stories we can share. I am a connoisseur of beautiful women.  

But I'm having the exact problem. Where have all the ladies gone? Now it seems there are only providers. And the providers are increasing their, whatever it is we're supposed to bring, to astronomical levels, while their service level has either stayed the same, or even diminished. In the old days I had so many ladies on my to do list, it was impossible to see them all. I had too many favorites to keep them all happy. Oh sure, there's a hidden gem or two that I've found now, but the new providers I've seen, are mostly 'wham bam, and not even a thank you sir'! I don't even need a to do list anymore, as there is only one new lady that's drawn my interest. Again I ask, where have all the ladies gone? Could it be that when the ladies return, the hobbyists will too, or vice versa? It certainly is a dilemma.

all found each other in 2013 and shipped out to a seastead paradise off the Virgin Islands. They're drinking Dom Perignon bottled in 1637. They've used CRISPR-Cas9 genetic engineering to render themselves invulnerable to STDs. Every night they dance until dawn as their robot butlers scuttle back and forth with drinks, and in the Ayahuasca ceremony they never lose control of their bowels.

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Meow,
Amelie

Now all y'all got left  
is us and all we gots is
you. :-((((((

I do not see girls just to get off, ( ok well of course that's part of it) but to also get a great and hopefully exceptional experience. I mean hell I can get myself off if that's all I wanted lol.

Sure, there is one big difference, I know that I am going to get my reward, and probably very soon after meeting, but to me it is the same as a date and I behave the same way I behave if I were single trying to hook-up with someone I found interesting.    I am not willing to put some effort in it, then I might as well use my hand and save myself the potential trouble

May I say bravo!!! Bravo!!!! So completely right....I couldn't have said it better myself. From what I hear it is getting quite bad out there and the age old question of what came first the chicken or the egg? I guess what we need to focus on isn't so much on what came first as much as how can we fix this. I know I hold my self to a high standard and I consider myself a lady first. I know that a few sour apples can ruin the bunch... Let me say I hear you and I know trust me I know what you mean. I am trying to communicate this because it is a real problem gents and ladies need to come correct... I know my reviews speak for themselves I try to bring a level of professionalism to ever session and I approach this like any other business with the customer in mind. My mission statement is to make sure no one leaves without a smile on their face... I take my sessions serious...so kudos to you that you think the same way xoxo

After 11 yrs. of playing this game, it's more than just P4P.  It's difficult to explain in a response here...when I first forayed into this, I just wanted to get laid after a several year drought.  But it turned into more than that.  After my first foray, I kept in contact with her, and had a succession of meetings over the next year that brought us together in ways I never expected, and she eventually invited me into her inner circle. It's been an almost exponential expansion since then...so many new friendships made, and so many priceless experiences in NYC, NJ, Philadelphia, Vegas, Florida, DC, LA, someplace in New England I cannot mention directly, Chicago, and more, with a myriad of ladies and fellow hobbyists.    It'd been an experience of a lifetime, and it's more than just sex...though the sex has been off the charts when it happens, which is frequently.  :)  

And the beat goes on.  That first provider I met 11 yrs. ago?  Our friendship is stronger than ever...

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I'm not the Wham Bam Thank You Ma'am (as per your OP) kind of guy with providers (or any woman) but that doesn't somehow make me better than those who like that experience.  Everyone is different in what we seek from the hobby and in interactions with others. You're going to run into all types. What you can do is orient your advertising asd screening towards the type of client you prefer.

Any cursory research of the ever widening income disparity over the last 20 years may give clue to the answer.  
WAGES have graphed flatter than a pancake for the last ten years along with an all to common reduction in paid work hours. Conversely the investment class 1% has been laughing all the way to the bank.  
In 2002 $300/h was a common price point in LA for a well reviewed GFE with the most sought after divas commanding $400 to $500/h.  
Now in 2015 $500/h is the common price point with the divas pricing at $700 or more, and often along with a 2 hour minimum. If the pricing is above what 99% can regularly bear or justify then the supplier must simply be happy with 1% of the potential available market.  

Henry Ford's amazing success is largely attributed to producing a highly desired (luxury?) product that his many thousands of factory employees could themselves afford. The cell phone sets a similar example.  
As a rule "price negotiation" is considered rude and demeaning in this community; especially if it is from a new or first time client/hobbyist/monger. Therefore the 'polite' among the masses are likely shopping elsewhere or simply rubbing one out.

Quite insightful ....never thought of it from a macroeconomic standpoint...my price point is far from being s diva but my delivery is always five star xoxo

Posted By: GhostWriteroftheDamned
Any cursory research of the ever widening income disparity over the last 20 years may give clue to the answer.  
 WAGES have graphed flatter than a pancake for the last ten years along with an all to common reduction in paid work hours. Conversely the investment class 1% has been laughing all the way to the bank.  
 In 2002 $300/h was a common price point in LA for a well reviewed GFE with the most sought after divas commanding $400 to $500/h.  
 Now in 2015 $500/h is the common price point with the divas pricing at $700 or more, and often along with a 2 hour minimum. If the pricing is above what 99% can regularly bear or justify then the supplier must simply be happy with 1% of the potential available market.  
   
 Henry Ford's amazing success is largely attributed to producing a highly desired (luxury?) product that his many thousands of factory employees could themselves afford. The cell phone sets a similar example.  
 As a rule "price negotiation" is considered rude and demeaning in this community; especially if it is from a new or first time client/hobbyist/monger. Therefore the 'polite' among the masses are likely shopping elsewhere or simply rubbing one out.        

1.  Why after "about two years" and recent increased efforts to further market have you no TER profile and subsequent/requisite review(s)? With none of the common research avenues(links) for a "hobbyist" to ascertain your region, prices, contact information and general bona-fida it's hard to vindicate your claims on a nation wide "General Discussion" board that strictly prohibits advertising.    

Posted By: mialove586
Hi everyone, I'm Mia from the DMV and I usually don't post on the discussion boards but I really want to know if I am the only one who feels this way.....  
   
 I have been in the industry for about two years (minimal tenure in most eyes) but I feel I have a unique perspective on where the industry is or where it is headed. You may have seen me with my colleague and bff amberraeofdc -or-  you may have seen my ad here or there online. I recently decided to step it up by transitioning from beginner to a more professional level with a website and other promotional whatnots (currently researching)

I remember in my beginning experiences when I was just a girl with a cell phone and a dream, I found myself overwhelmed with the amount of responses I received!

2. Do you by any chance know 'RobbinYoung'; queen of the threAD?
Posted By: mialove586
my price point is far from being s diva but my delivery is always five star xoxo

I am a connoisseur who really wants to enjoy the experience and the fantasy involved? Not just the "wham bam thank you ma'am".... Maybe my expectations are too high, Or maybe others expectations are too low.  

So, I tend see limited number of providers regularly. IMO, when see different providers every time, there is no connection. I am once a week hobbyist.

So u limit yourself to a select few...instead of branching out?

Posted By: mialove586
So u limit yourself to a select few...instead of branching out?

All I see are providers.....What's up with that!!

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