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NickyBarnes 914 reads
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Mistake number 1: I should have really done more research beforehand. Found some reviews of her.
 
 
Mistake number 2: Thinking with my dick that the price was acceptable.
After the call I google search the images. Turns out they belong to a tumblr/twitter girl. Fuck. I go into defensive mode. Wasn't sure what I was now in for - bait and switch, robbery, sting? I hide my valuables, prepare $20-40 to send her on her way.
 
 
Mistake number 3: I should have called immediately and called it off with an excuse.
Half an hour later, I give her a call, asking where she was. Says she'll be there in a few minutes. I confront her about the pictures, she says it's 100% her. Suuuure.
 
 
Mistake number 4: I should have really called it off there.
15 minutes pass. I begin thinking it was just a prank, getting a bit more relaxed. I give her another call, just in case. She says the exact same thing (she'll be there in a few minutes) and hangs up.
Ok definitely not happening, she doesn't sound like she's in a car or going anywhere.
 
 
Mistake number 5: I should really have known that she was just there to take calls.
So I now let out a sigh of relief, thinking it's over. I get ready for bed. Then my phone rings. Not the same number. I answer, ask who it is, it's apparently her (different voice), she's in front of the house.
Fuuuuck. I gather myself, say I'll be out in a minute. Grab the $40 to send her on her way. Open the door. Obviously not the girl from the pictures. I invite her inside so that neighbors don't get suspicious. She's still quite attractive, just not drop dead gorgeous like the pictures would suggest.
I confront her about it, that she looks nothing like that. She asks if I'm not happy. I tell her it's quite disingenuous and that I don't like to be lied to.
 
 
Mistake number 6: I should have told her goodnight.
I didn't.  
 
I have an angry wank and here I am, writing this shit. Fuck. Someone tell me I'm not the first guy to make so many stupid calls in one night?

This girl named Jane fucks men with money on side for income.  

Mike is a really close friend of hers. He likes her a lot and has been chasing for about 6 months, buying her dinner / drinks all that time. She sometimes pays too since she genuinely isn't comfortable with him paying all the time. They hang out OTC every week, sometimes twice a week. He doesn't pay her but they hang out OTC because she genuinely likes him as a friend. They DO NOT have any sexual relations though BUT SOME DAY HE MAY HAVE IT FOR FREE once they start dating. However, she always gives him the "I'm not sure" attitude yet he still relentlessly chases her knowing that she isn't made of bricks but has a soft spot for him (That is why she hangs out with him)

Her sugar daddies and clients pay her about 400 to have sex with her for an hour.

Is Mike the greater fool for chasing some pussy he could have had for 400 bucks?  
or are her clients the greater fool for having to pay for that pussy Mike will eventuall have for free?  

Do you think that neither are fools but both are in a unique situation and different dynamics where both are equally fair and unfair since they aren't in the same situation?

 


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Me: if I don't already have a SO, then I'm choose MIKE so that I get the REAL girl.

If I have a SO and I'm already in a relationship, then I most definitely would rather see the NSA/ non emotional girl

Skyfyre862 reads

As Mike, I might be chasing her in the hope of one day getting that pussy for free but I wouldn't be too sincere about it. I would still also be chasing other pussies or fuck prostitutes in the meantime. I would consider the hanging out and chasing some kind of long-range investment.

As her clients I wouldn't be paying her $400/hr. period. No woman in the face of this earth is worth THAT to me

Maybe Mike can Blow some Chunks up Jane's ass..

...he does.

Mike isn't just "chasing pussy."  It sounds like he genuinely wants to have a relationship with her.  If he pays her, that won't happen.  Providers don't consider hobbyists to be boyfriend material and they think hobbyists will always think of them as prostitutes.  That's why they say: "If only we hadn't met this way..."

BTW, Mike and Jane do not hang out OTC - there is no "C" because he's never paid her; they're friends.

Her clients aren't fools for paying because most providers are fucking SOMEONE for free.

Are dynamics fair?

Which came first, clocks or paying for pussy?

Posted By: BigPapasan
Providers don't consider hobbyists to be boyfriend material and they think hobbyists will always think of them as prostitutes.
I've always assumed that's how most providers think, which sounds like a self esteem issue on the providers end. If it's not a SE issue, that makes for a good excuse to decline the BF request, while letting the guy down easy... It's kind of like punishing the guy for his own decision to visit with the provider to start with.

Confucius say macdaddy dropped watch in toilet and bound to have shitty time. :D

nom_de_plume904 reads

... is the person who thinks that if a man and woman get together to have drinks or dinner, sharing he expense, as "just friends" and without sexual relations, then at least one of them is an idiot.

nom_de_plume607 reads

... you said that Mike is a close friend of Jane.  You also said that Jane is a friend of Mike.  And you said that Mike is not one of her clients, they're not dating, and there's been no sex between them.

IMO that makes the two of them "just friends."  I think that's a reasonable deduction based on what you told us.  From what you said, Mike would like to take the relationship beyond "just friends."  But at this time, that's all it is.  

My opinion re who the biggest idiot is in this situation stands.  :)

Posted By: Blowing Chunks
This girl named Jane fucks men with money on side for income.  Mike is a really close friend of hers. ... He doesn't pay her but they hang out OTC because she genuinely likes him as a friend. They DO NOT have any sexual relations though BUT SOME DAY HE MAY HAVE IT FOR FREE once they start dating. ...

When you measure a man and woman hanging out on the basis of whether or they have sex or not only shows your lack of confidence which makes you the biggest looser on the planet.

I have had and still have many platonic non-sexual from middle school when I came to know about sex all the to my work life.  

You don’t get many real life dates do you?

you completely missed the part where I said he is chasing her.

as usual you write a whole page of drivel thats completely off topic. keep up the great work LMAO

Are you the TER drama king.  

When you meddle in other people’s business, you are a LOOSER


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There's no better way to attract women than be seen with beautiful Gals.
   
  If Jane's Sugar Daddy's spend money on a paid relationship with Jane it doesn't seem foolish to me, they can't take their dollars with them when they die, might as well spend it having fun.

 If I was Mike I would rather hang out with Jane, than be seen with guys who have no clue how to strike up conversations with  Gals, without striking out.  

     

Posted By: Blowing Chunks
This girl named Jane fucks men with money on side for income.  
   
 Mike is a really close friend of hers. He likes her a lot and has been chasing for about 6 months, buying her dinner / drinks all that time. She sometimes pays too since she genuinely isn't comfortable with him paying all the time. They hang out OTC every week, sometimes twice a week. He doesn't pay her but they hang out OTC because she genuinely likes him as a friend. They DO NOT have any sexual relations though BUT SOME DAY HE MAY HAVE IT FOR FREE once they start dating. However, she always gives him the "I'm not sure" attitude yet he still relentlessly chases her knowing that she isn't made of bricks but has a soft spot for him (That is why she hangs out with him)  
   
 Her sugar daddies and clients pay her about 400 to have sex with her for an hour.  
   
 Is Mike the greater fool for chasing some pussy he could have had for 400 bucks?  
 or are her clients the greater fool for having to pay for that pussy Mike will eventuall have for free?  
   
 Do you think that neither are fools but both are in a unique situation and different dynamics where both are equally fair and unfair since they aren't in the same situation?  
   
   
 

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WildJimmy!755 reads

If sex with Jane is the sum total of what he wants to "win" SOMEDAY, and the total value of sex with Jane has already been set at $400, the most he can hope for has a value of $400. He is spending less than than each time he sees her, probably, but after several "dates" hanging out, he's spent more than the possible payoff.

If Mike were to pursue a woman for reasons other than just having sex, then each get-together would be a zero sum transaction. The financial expense would not be the ante for a chance at something else, and the communication between them would be just what it is.

OR if he were "chasing" a woman who has not set a price on sex, and doing so solely because he wanted to have sex with her, then the payoff for all the times he antes up would be priceless.

No matter where Mike's relationship with Jane goes, any and every sexual pop she gives him will forever have a value of $400 (More or less, depending on inflation and depreciation).

The main reason Mike is a fool is because he has chosen a game simply with the intention of beating it. Trying to beat the game, any game, usually turns an otherwise sensible and capable person into a fool.

skarphedin703 reads

If he wants her to be his girlfriend, then he is fine. Well, maybe or maybe not depending on the actual details of the situation.  

If he wants "free" sex from a hooker he is foolish. That is like early 20's thinking not grown man thinking.

Neither is an idiot. They are just normal people doing normal things. She is making money doing the same sort of shit many girls do, and I can see exactly why Mike has to pay for it.  And oh yea, Mike will eventually pay for it. She knows that. But as soon as he does, he's out of the picture.

I can certainly painfully relate to the guy in this example because for many years I was him, chasing gals who "loved" me but "not in that way"; while meanwhile these gals would traipse off with just about any dude they happened upon in a bar, then tell me their regrets the next day as I was their confessor figure.  It hurt, but I'd be damned to show or acknowledge it.

It's unfortunate that so many gals can't get it on with guys they like because they are afraid it will destroy the platonic relationship that they desire.  They are probably right since I experimented with this just a few years ago with an old girl friend, and the whole affair crashed and burned.

Nice guys like me will always be a dime a dozen on the other hand, so to answer your question I'd have to say:

It's a draw.

And I don't think things will ever change.

skarphedin654 reads

Of course, after that I would mock you relentlessly for the rest of your life about how lame you were... But that's what friends do.

He already knows he is a close friend. She has made it clear she doesn't want to date him. He thinks if he sticks around and pays for everything, she will eventually date him.

Friends don't have friends pay for almost every dinner/drinks etc. That isn't being a friend. He's trying to buy her love and basically throwing himself at her, she's using him for free junk and friendship. It's like he is the cheap SD that doesn't get to have sex.

Chasing is never a good thing. She already told him "I'm not sure" and keeps on with just being friends. It is just insistence on his part that there could ever be more.  

They are both paying. SD gets sex but not the closeness of being friends. Mike gets the friendship but no sex. SD knows where he stands and is happy with it. Mike thinks she will change her mind.

One of the wisest things my therapist ever told me was:

If you want gals to stand in line for you, then get out of the line for them.

He also told me to be careful what I wish for, because I could get it

He was absolutely right on both counts.

Have been like Mike. I know I have. Once I learned to not chase, life became much easier and happier for me. Still have relapses ever so often, because I am good at being a fool sometimes... lol.

I really do feel bad for people like Mike who wish for more than the other person wants. It is a crappy feeling when it is not returned as much as one wants. Never settle for less than you want. Find someone who will give that to you, know what I mean? Of course you do, MrFisher has plenty of wisdom!

Posted By: mrfisher
One of the wisest things my therapist ever told me was:

If you want gals to stand in line for you, then get out of the line for them.

He also told me to be careful what I wish for, because I could get it

He was absolutely right on both counts.

Pink_Panties587 reads

You might want to rephrase this.  It sounds bad.  Do you have a daughter, sister, or mother?  Would you want them referred to as a pussy to be obtained?

However, I assume Jane is a human being with a pussy that Mike wants to become acquainted with.  

Is that better?

sounds just as bad as escorts wanting mostly money from men
instead of getting to know them without having to be paid for it.

hey, we are all shallow at times yet thoughtful at times too, all in one..

Pink_Panties629 reads



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We know that the ladies only want the money going in.

Posted By: Blowing Chunks
sounds just as bad as escorts wanting mostly money from men  
 instead of getting to know them without having to be paid for it.  
   
 hey, we are all shallow at times yet thoughtful at times too, all in one...  
   
   
 

Mike is young, HOT & SINGLE, with no wife, kids, support payments, and barnacles etc- if he's gotten this far OTC dating a lady who is hot enough to Provide...

He's an 7-10(on a scale of 1-10) already...

Mike gets free time because he's Hot and there is potential to be in a commitment (which is what dating girls want- love and commitment) and what guys who court this long want, too.

Hobbyists have little to no future potential-for the provider. They don't want /can't date. But they want hot ladies and uncomplicated fun...

If Mike wants *****, yes he can pay
If he wants OTC, he still pays  
If Clients want ***** and or OTC; they have to pass screening, be well behaved/uncomplicated, and pay

I think its win/win/win for everyone; as long as they are all getting what they are after, at the end of the day...

But let's not get mixed up here; Hobbyists are not Mike
It's apples to oranges.
Just enjoy what you came for,  keep it simple

 

 

 

 

 

 



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and then rethink your "hot enough to Provide" comment.  

Your pictures and reviews speak for themselves, but not everyone in the business is quite as blessed as you are.

You are very kind and I appreciate the compliment.

But that brings up another question, what market is she in?

$400per appt/hr is still a lot of money, so obviously the lady is not a dog.
And if she is not in the LA/NYC market- she's actually equivalent to a 600 lady in LA/NYC.
It's a respectable sum of money- for a decent 7-9.

I didn't mean to make it sound as if Hobbyists were sea creatures, but in all honesty women of our profession sell our looks (which means we take care and have some to sell). And if we were to pick our mates- our Mikes would match our own scale +plus, we would pick eligible and unmarried men...

I think it unfair to compare Mike as a chump to a Hobbyist, because we service a different need for Hobbyists.

 

Posted By: RespectfullyYours
and then rethink your "hot enough to Provide" comment.  
   
 Your pictures and reviews speak for themselves, but not everyone in the business is quite as blessed as you are.

but I have no idea what you are trying to convey with your message.

I have had guys see me as you described. They were the biggest assholes too.

I will take the sweetheart ANY DAY. Fuck hot and ass.... I want a man that can put a smile on my face and make me laugh. Also willing to please vs all about them.

Posted By: AlyssaHille
Mike is young, HOT & SINGLE, with no wife, kids, support payments, and barnacles etc- if he's gotten this far OTC dating a lady who is hot enough to Provide...  
   
 He's an 7-10(on a scale of 1-10) already...  
   
 Mike gets free time because he's Hot and there is potential to be in a commitment (which is what dating girls want- love and commitment) and what guys who court this long want, too.  
   
 Hobbyists have little to no future potential-for the provider. They don't want /can't date. But they want hot ladies and uncomplicated fun...  
   
 If Mike wants *****, yes he can pay  
 If he wants OTC, he still pays  
 If Clients want ***** and or OTC; they have to pass screening, be well behaved/uncomplicated, and pay  
   
 I think its win/win/win for everyone; as long as they are all getting what they are after, at the end of the day...  
   
 But let's not get mixed up here; Hobbyists are not Mike  
 It's apples to oranges.  
 Just enjoy what you came for,  keep it simple  
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
 

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Mistake number 1: I should have really done more research beforehand. Found some reviews of her.
 
 
Mistake number 2: Thinking with my dick that the price was acceptable.
After the call I google search the images. Turns out they belong to a tumblr/twitter girl. Fuck. I go into defensive mode. Wasn't sure what I was now in for - bait and switch, robbery, sting? I hide my valuables, prepare $20-40 to send her on her way.
 
 
Mistake number 3: I should have called immediately and called it off with an excuse.
Half an hour later, I give her a call, asking where she was. Says she'll be there in a few minutes. I confront her about the pictures, she says it's 100% her. Suuuure.
 
 
Mistake number 4: I should have really called it off there.
15 minutes pass. I begin thinking it was just a prank, getting a bit more relaxed. I give her another call, just in case. She says the exact same thing (she'll be there in a few minutes) and hangs up.
Ok definitely not happening, she doesn't sound like she's in a car or going anywhere.
 
 
Mistake number 5: I should really have known that she was just there to take calls.
So I now let out a sigh of relief, thinking it's over. I get ready for bed. Then my phone rings. Not the same number. I answer, ask who it is, it's apparently her (different voice), she's in front of the house.
Fuuuuck. I gather myself, say I'll be out in a minute. Grab the $40 to send her on her way. Open the door. Obviously not the girl from the pictures. I invite her inside so that neighbors don't get suspicious. She's still quite attractive, just not drop dead gorgeous like the pictures would suggest.
I confront her about it, that she looks nothing like that. She asks if I'm not happy. I tell her it's quite disingenuous and that I don't like to be lied to.
 
 
Mistake number 6: I should have told her goodnight.
I didn't.  
 
I have an angry wank and here I am, writing this shit. Fuck. Someone tell me I'm not the first guy to make so many stupid calls in one night?

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