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Unless your trying to reproduce a cover is a must.  No BB.  

GFE to everyone is different.  Some guys just want to DATY, or kiss, and they consider that to be a GFE, but no way is GFE=BB

I have spoken with my friends who are providers and have asked them this question.

What is GFE ?

Several ladies  have said " GFE is the same regardless if its covered or not."

Some Hobbyist  beg to differ." GFE = All Services that are BB."

Some of my clients have defined GFE = DFK, DATY, DATO
 
Are there any shades of gray?

ladies and gentlemen I would love to hear your thoughts

This will mean different things to different people, but GirlFriend Experience, to me, would be things that give me the illusion that she is my girlfriend, if even for just an hour.

That could be kissing, DFK, conversation, and more.

You just hit the nail on the head. Also DATY. BJ covered or not. CFS. It is about connecting more and kissing etc.

I can not stand when guys try to lie to people like the OP and say it means everything bb. In no way does it mean that. That is something completely separate and very unsafe, by the way. That has been referred to by different terms, not all of which I know. I have seen sites where Ultra and Ultimate means that.

Some guys try to lie about what GFE is so they can con you into being true to your advertising GFE and getting what they want, very unsafe sex.  

Posted By: goofball42
This will mean different things to different people, but GirlFriend Experience, to me, would be things that give me the illusion that she is my girlfriend, if even for just an hour.  
   
 That could be kissing, DFK, conversation, and more.

GFE is bbbj, dfk, and daty with cim/cof/swallow and dato/rim job varying from one provider to another as far as services go.  

The providers who advertise GFE but don't provide any of those services usually engage in heavy up-selling or put it in their ad to attract clients.  

I have no problem with safe providers who are upfront about it. Up-selling though has destroyed more boners than rosie o'donnel.

there has never been a term that meant bare back full service unless explicitly stated. GFE never means BBFS. BBFS=You are a moron.

No offense. But I save unprotected sex for women I know, and Love.
You yucky fucks who bareback strangers deserve what you get.

I don't do this out of need. Those of you who do?  
Think. Think . Think.

...Whenever this comes up however there is no real agreement on what GFE means.

One other thing to consider is you are new. (I say that based on your questions on the Newbie Board.) Unfortunately there are mongers that will attempt to take advantage of new providers by telling them things like GFE means bare back. Don't fall for that. Decide what's acceptable to you and stick to it.

I've seen many discussions of this and can't recall any where someone claimed GFE means bare back.

I have seen where some say GFE plus or ultimate GFE means bare back but even then there are dissenters.

Here's what I expect when I see GFE advertised. I expect to receive the full time regardless of activity (within reason). I expect her attitude toward me to be that of a girlfriend. I could receive every service imaginable but it's not GFE if I'm cut short on my time or she doesn't treat me with a girlfriend attitude.  

The minimum services I desire are kissing (minimum LFK), BBBJ, DATY, covered fs. I want them delivered with a girlfriend attitude ie GFE.

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Yes you are correct just like there exist 50 shades of grey so too exist 50 kinds of GFEs!

From the standpoint of an experienced hobbyist GFE means jack shit.

And from the standpoint of an experienced AND savvy hobbyist GFE means the provider might be trying to mislead the clients in order to upsell services.

A hobbyist who yearns to be experienced and savvy should directly ask the provider just EXACTLY what acronyms she is including in her service: BBBJ, CBJ, BBFS, CFS, DATY, DFK, FIV, BL, Rimming, etc...

Too bad this web site does not establish a standard for GFE and calls it TER-GFE in which a certain acronyms (see above paragraph) are required in order for a service to be certified as such.

Think about it, a TER-GFE Certified service would be tremendous marketing tool.

PS:  A certain defunct web site did just that and now its term famously lives on to eternity

You are an older man that has been in this game too long, and knows too much.
I can smell your expensive cologne.

Stop reading childish books, and regain you Granfathers dignity

To boot bbfs is bbfs. That is more PSE (porn star experience.)

GFE is kissing, deep or light, DFK, LFK, BBBJ, maybe DATY* (some vary on that one), and a companion mindset.

At least from what I know, and THAT is what *I* advertise.

Don't ever let one dude try to convince you....
Do your own research, just like you are doing!
You got this!

You were right to ASK!

Foxy

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Foxy is a lady who knows just what she is talking about. I am a little older and have been around some. I have seen Foxy on several occasions and let me say that when you say GFE Foxy is the top of the line. She does know what GFE truly means. If you were to look up GFE in the dictionary it would have FoxyNC as the meaning of GFE.
This girl is real as they come. All her postings are right on. You go Foxy Lady.

It's not just a matter of which acts are performed.  

I always thought making a client feel special, and the provider really enjoying herself, or at least managing to give the impression she is, was a big part of the GFE

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It happens in this business. Standing on a Anti-BBFS Soapbox won't stop it. If two consenting adullts agree to have BBFS and know and accept what risks are involved, so be it. All you Condom carrying Nazis have nothing to worry about.

Can I borrow that lol. I will be sure to ad that to my ad.

Attention ALL Hobbyist: This girl is a active Condom Carrying Nazi In Big Bold Text lol very nice.

If you do, you might want to fix the typos.  ;)

Being that I am new to TER doesn't mean that I was born yesterday or last night. In this business  I wouldn't dare do anything BB. Just for the record I have never provided any BBFS of any kind. I have worked in the medical field over 10 years before joining this line of work. I have seen everyone that comes in the clinic with their "Issue" and walkout with diagnosis and instructions for taking Rx inside their brown paper bag, as well as the ones that run out screaming crying frantically because there in no cure.

I decided to post this topic based of the MISCONCEPTION of the term GFE. For those who have posted their opinions stating degrading allegations and so on are best not responding. Don't have anything good to say keep it too yourself.

For those who stayed on topic and provide their thoughts, opinions, as well as providing info, I tip my hat.

Thanks Ladies and Gents

and were very much on topic, hun. They weren't being mean when the one poster said you were new. He was truly trying to help you not fall into the BS guys trying pulling over us. They do try here and there.

I really don't know where you got responses from hobbyists saying BBFS was proper.... It is straight up BS period. It is NOT ok for them to even try to get others to think that. I don't care if someone does it, but I am not seeing the guy who sees a provider who does do it.  

Glad to see someone have the medical knowledge to know not to fall for BBFS, by the way.  

PS Some may come across as not being nice or digging on you, but they aren't. Every post on this was trying to help answer your question.

Edited to say that actually no mentards answered you. Ha. Example of me messing back and not being serious, just playing.

Have a sense of humor and dish back to play on this board. It will help you out. I don't take much seriously on here.

Posted By: CayenneCandy
Being that I am new to TER doesn't mean that I was born yesterday or last night. In this business  I wouldn't dare do anything BB. Just for the record I have never provided any BBFS of any kind. I have worked in the medical field over 10 years before joining this line of work. I have seen everyone that comes in the clinic with their "Issue" and walkout with diagnosis and instructions for taking Rx inside their brown paper bag, as well as the ones that run out screaming crying frantically because there in no cure.  
   
 I decided to post this topic based of the MISCONCEPTION of the term GFE. For those who have posted their opinions stating degrading allegations and so on are best not responding. Don't have anything good to say keep it too yourself.  
   
 For those who stayed on topic and provide their thoughts, opinions, as well as providing info, I tip my hat.  
   
 Thanks Ladies and Gents
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this is a forum my loves and lovers you are entitled to say which ever however. I don't wear my heart on my sleeve. After all this is America and if you know your rights in this country feel free to vocalize as you wish. I am selecting my 5th Amendment.  Yes i said it 1-2-3-4-5th lol

It was pretty ambiguous what you meant by your topic. It seemed like you were honestly confused, and gave credence to "BB = GFE". As others have said, I don't believe there is, or I haven't seen at least, any misconception on this board that GFE equals BBFS. Once that is out of the picture, there actually is a lot of debate about what people consider GFE, because I don't think it's reducible to acts alone. I would guess attitude and emotion enters a lot into it, but I'm inexperienced and don't know.  

Was your intent with this topic to discuss how to deal with clients that demand BBFS, or to wonder at their existence? I'm still kind of confused.

...though we are certain you weren't born yesterday neither were the one or two newbies that posted in the past how a monger kept pressuring them to go bare back because all the "best" providers did. Telling them they would have to do bare back if they wanted to survive in this business. Pressured enough until they did it. They went bare back. Now you see where I'm coming from. I wasn't assuming you needed to be warned   about this but didn't want to forgo warning you if by chance you did need it.

I'm glad you have the background and experience to deal with this. May it serve you well.

 
Yes, what I said above did happen on the Newbie Board

It's very subjective on the companion side of things. Not so much on the guy side of things mentally. Most guys who are not crazy, I would dare to guess with extreme confidence see GFE as lfk and dfk, Daty, bbbj and an attentive attitude which can include conversation and "connecting". Yes bbbj. Not covered. Highlight this ONE, trust me. The activities most girlfriends will do outside of the hobby. You know during those first couple of years. Well, the first couple of months for the unlucky, lol. I will also say that I know most men aren't thinking about the last details of conversation and connecting as much as the others when thinking about the acronym GFE. No matter what they say. I said most not all but I also say this with extreme confidence. Also, any anal play and cim is not usually in the GFE realm by either companion nor gent from what I can tell. They are usually stated as an addition to by the companion and expected as such by the gent. Nor is bbfs associated with GFE and most guys do not think so in this environment. More on that below.

All these things are subjective (personal preference/opinion) because not all companions who advertise as such do these things or see GFE as such.  Some of them never and of course most ymmv on the cleanliness of the client and for some, attraction level or better said, on how they view the client in front of them. Yep, we all know that there are companions out there who will do this or that with a certain set of clients and won't with another set or "that guy" which is their right totally. I know a lot of guys disagree with this but I'm sorry, give me a break. Yes I know, the client is paying. Cry me a damn thousand rivers. Well, the companion is still human. It's just the nature of what this is and should be. That shit really cracks me up. As if the tables were turned and men were getting paid to do this mostly, most men would do a lot of things with everyone they saw just because they were getting paid to. If you don't like that she didn't do this or that, then no one is making you see her again. As far as that donation, chalk it up to R&D and move on! Parts of this paragraph are off topic OP but it's relevant to a lot of guys and their expectations when seeing those letters and companions in general.

Alexandra last paragraph above is true but saying that GFE is not really all that subjective is not a way to solve that problem but maybe she was thinking subjective in terms of the man's mind only to make her subsequent point.  Keeping a stun gun somewhere close by is the way to solve that issue she was describing. Those guys don't for one minute think that GFE means bbfs in this environment. Not for one damn second. I know Mfers and especially Mfers with dicks. They are just trying to prey on who they think are weak/vulnerable and will fall for that crap.

This thread alone shows how subjective the term can be for both sexes but I surely know how most men view it. That's not hard to figure out! Pay attention to reviews, other threads and comments on other sites/forums. The term really should be thrown out of use in this hobby world in my honest opinion because we all know how most men view it and how a lot of companions don't want to be held to such a standard across the board for every client. Especially until they meet their ass in person and see who they are and how they are in regards to cleanliness and a few other factors possibly. Comfortability, attraction, etc. YMMV should be the slogan for all companions in my opinion. Take away GFE and replace it with those four letters!!!!  Or GFE/YMMV! T-shirts please!

I will also say this with extreeeeme confidence as well. The guys who may possibly truly think or see GFE as meaning bbfs are the guys you will draw in the backpage world if you are under a certain price point and advertise only on backpage. Which most advertising only on backpage companions are under that price point. Most not all but damn surely most. Some people may not want to hear this but it's true. Not that there aren't high-paying mongers who would think so but those who see mostly TER reviewed companions who actually have websites and put a higher effort into their overall platform DO NOT. Step up your price point if you can, your advertising game and screening methods and I guarantee you, you won't see many of them fools anymore. Yes, it will take some effort and diligence. Not really speaking to you OP. Since you are new to this world but that's some advice from what my eyes and mind has deduced.

Back to my real writing! Ima about done with this place. Yay! Applause.

I might be off with some of this and all over the place. My apologies. Wrote very fast. Anyone, check me if you want. It is welcomed.

Posted By: CayenneCandy
I have spoken with my friends who are providers and have asked them this question.  
   
 What is GFE ?  
   
 Several ladies  have said " GFE is the same regardless if its covered or not."  
   
 Some Hobbyist  beg to differ." GFE = All Services that are BB."  
   
 Some of my clients have defined GFE = DFK, DATY, DATO  
   
 Are there any shades of gray?  
   
 ladies and gentlemen I would love to hear your thoughts.  
 

My post was spot on and honest. GFE has never meant BBFS EVER. There is other terms. Don't confuse the dumbasses that play like that because they will demand, give nasty reviews if they don't get that service,  blow up our phones etc. If anyone is confused on what GFE means, bang your head on the wall til you figure it out. If we wanted BBFS, we would SAY that, not confuse it with a term that is very widely known to not be that. Ultimate, complete, 100%, Total GFE is what many use for the such. I don't give a crap what some ripoff on BP says or upsells you on. It isn't GFE. It is more than that. Confusion equals guys being upset they didn't get it and angry women who have to deal with that horseshit.

Normal, rational people don't even go BB with bf or gf. Called being safe.

FFS You gave me a headache reading your post.... but most of it I liked. Even though you were not correct on what I said, I give you an A for at least taking the time to say what you had to say.... and most was very helpful.

Posted By: HectorBlack
It's very subjective on the companion side of things. Not so much on the guy side of things mentally. Most guys who are not crazy, I would dare to guess with extreme confidence see GFE as lfk and dfk, Daty, bbbj and an attentive attitude which can include conversation and "connecting". Yes bbbj. Not covered. Highlight this ONE, trust me. The activities most girlfriends will do outside of the hobby. You know during those first couple of years. Well, the first couple of months for the unlucky, lol. I will also say that I know most men aren't thinking about the last details of conversation and connecting as much as the others when thinking about the acronym GFE. No matter what they say. I said most not all but I also say this with extreme confidence. Also, any anal play and cim is not usually in the GFE realm by either companion nor gent from what I can tell. They are usually stated as an addition to by the companion and expected as such by the gent. Nor is bbfs associated with GFE and most guys do not think so in this environment. More on that below.  
   
 All these things are subjective (personal preference/opinion) because not all companions who advertise as such do these things or see GFE as such.  Some of them never and of course most ymmv on the cleanliness of the client and for some, attraction level or better said, on how they view the client in front of them. Yep, we all know that there are companions out there who will do this or that with a certain set of clients and won't with another set or "that guy" which is their right totally. I know a lot of guys disagree with this but I'm sorry, give me a break. Yes I know, the client is paying. Cry me a damn thousand rivers. Well, the companion is still human. It's just the nature of what this is and should be. That shit really cracks me up. As if the tables were turned and men were getting paid to do this mostly, most men would do a lot of things with everyone they saw just because they were getting paid to. If you don't like that she didn't do this or that, then no one is making you see her again. As far as that donation, chalk it up to R&D and move on! Parts of this paragraph are off topic OP but it's relevant to a lot of guys and their expectations when seeing those letters and companions in general.  
   
 Alexandra last paragraph above is true but saying that GFE is not really all that subjective is not a way to solve that problem but maybe she was thinking subjective in terms of the man's mind only to make her subsequent point.  Keeping a stun gun somewhere close by is the way to solve that issue she was describing. Those guys don't for one minute think that GFE means bbfs in this environment. Not for one damn second. I know Mfers and especially Mfers with dicks. They are just trying to prey on who they think are weak/vulnerable and will fall for that crap.  
   
 This thread alone shows how subjective the term can be for both sexes but I surely know how most men view it. That's not hard to figure out! Pay attention to reviews, other threads and comments on other sites/forums. The term really should be thrown out of use in this hobby world in my honest opinion because we all know how most men view it and how a lot of companions don't want to be held to such a standard across the board for every client. Especially until they meet their ass in person and see who they are and how they are in regards to cleanliness and a few other factors possibly. Comfortability, attraction, etc. YMMV should be the slogan for all companions in my opinion. Take away GFE and replace it with those four letters!!!!  Or GFE/YMMV! T-shirts please!  
   
 I will also say this with extreeeeme confidence as well. The guys who may possibly truly think or see GFE as meaning bbfs are the guys you will draw in the backpage world if you are under a certain price point and advertise only on backpage. Which most advertising only on backpage companions are under that price point. Most not all but damn surely most. Some people may not want to hear this but it's true. Not that there aren't high-paying mongers who would think so but those who see mostly TER reviewed companions who actually have websites and put a higher effort into their overall platform DO NOT. Step up your price point if you can, your advertising game and screening methods and I guarantee you, you won't see many of them fools anymore. Yes, it will take some effort and diligence. Not really speaking to you OP. Since you are new to this world but that's some advice from what my eyes and mind has deduced.  
   
 Back to my real writing! Ima about done with this place. Yay! Applause.  
   
 I might be off with some of this and all over the place. My apologies. Wrote very fast. Anyone, check me if you want. It is welcomed.  
   
Posted By: CayenneCandy
I have spoken with my friends who are providers and have asked them this question.  
     
  What is GFE ?  
     
  Several ladies  have said " GFE is the same regardless if its covered or not."  
     
  Some Hobbyist  beg to differ." GFE = All Services that are BB."  
     
  Some of my clients have defined GFE = DFK, DATY, DATO  
     
  Are there any shades of gray?  
     
  ladies and gentlemen I would love to hear your thoughts.  
 

It seems to me that you two (Hector and Alexandria) seem to agree on all related acts to the term GFE except for bbbj.  And I think THAT is the one offering that most/many rational P4P participants might disagree about.  To me the core of a GFE is the connection (real or implied) felt by the client, and presumably (hopefully, perhaps) by the provider also.  To me it is an attempt to replicate/approximate how most couples act early-on in a sexual relationship, and this is above and beyond the basics of lfk, dfk, daty, covered FS, or even bbbj.  (Though I never once had a GF give me a covered BJ, to be honest, but I have had providers who I considered to be GFE who did... but perhaps I consider them as GFE more because of the connection we shared more than anything else?)  

That said, I agree with HectorBlack that since we're human, it's only natural for a provider to offer some clients a bit more (such as BBBJ or even BBBJCIMNQ/NS, or it could even be telling him her real first name, LOL), perhaps this might me reserved for those who attract or interest her for any number of real-world reasons -- it could be the clients attractiveness, wealth, sexual prowess, longevity as a client, intelligence, pleasant personality, cleanliness, sexy voice, honesty, pleasant emails, the fact he pays/tips for the hotel room even though she has the same rates for incall or outcall, makes her wet almost immediately, or that he brought along a nice $30 bottle of wine and not a bottle of 2-Buck-Chuck?  LOL  

The reality is that this deeper connection might be damn impossible to receive or provide in a 30 or 60-minute romp or with a BP girl meeting 10 guys a day at Motel Hell.  But, the longer the date the more opportunity for it to be special and for a true girlfriend experience to occur. This connection might include holding hands, touching more than merely genitals and breasts, and all of the normal stuff associated with a civie GF, albeit likely with more gusto/skill in the sack than experienced with most civie GFs.  If it's a longer date and a meal/overnight is involved, it might also likely including opening doors for the lady, displaying proper manners and public respect, etc.... it's a 2-way streak, just like it is with a civie GF.  The difference is that at the end of the night, and maybe at the very beginning of the date too, and hopefully in the morning also... it's a sure thing.  LOL

Posted By: hey mikey
It seems to me that you two (Hector and Alexandria) seem to agree on all related acts to the term GFE except for bbbj.  And I think THAT is the one offering that most/many rational P4P participants might disagree about.  To me the core of a GFE is the connection (real or implied) felt by the client, and presumably (hopefully, perhaps) by the provider also.  To me it is an attempt to replicate/approximate how most couples act early-on in a sexual relationship, and this is above and beyond the basics of lfk, dfk, daty, covered FS, or even bbbj.  (Though I never once had a GF give me a covered BJ, to be honest, but I have had providers who I considered to be GFE who did... but perhaps I consider them as GFE more because of the connection we shared more than anything else?)    
   
 That said, I agree with HectorBlack that since we're human, it's only natural for a provider to offer some clients a bit more (such as BBBJ or even BBBJCIMNQ/NS, or it could even be telling him her real first name, LOL), perhaps this might me reserved for those who attract or interest her for any number of real-world reasons -- it could be the clients attractiveness, wealth, sexual prowess, longevity as a client, intelligence, pleasant personality, cleanliness, sexy voice, honesty, pleasant emails, the fact he pays/tips for the hotel room even though she has the same rates for incall or outcall, makes her wet almost immediately, or that he brought along a nice $30 bottle of wine and not a bottle of 2-Buck-Chuck?  LOL  
   
 The reality is that this deeper connection might be damn impossible to receive or provide in a 30 or 60-minute romp or with a BP girl meeting 10 guys a day at Motel Hell.  But, the longer the date the more opportunity for it to be special and for a true girlfriend experience to occur. This connection might include holding hands, touching more than merely genitals and breasts, and all of the normal stuff associated with a civie GF, albeit likely with more gusto/skill in the sack than experienced with most civie GFs.  If it's a longer date and a meal/overnight is involved, it might also likely including opening doors for the lady, displaying proper manners and public respect, etc.... it's a 2-way streak, just like it is with a civie GF.  The difference is that at the end of the night, and maybe at the very beginning of the date too, and hopefully in the morning also... it's a sure thing.  LOL

But I am a little confused on where I lost you Mikey... I did say BBBJ was part of it. You post sort of gave me the feel that you were perhaps? implying that I said CBJ was in the mix. I do not feel that way. Just to clarify, for me personally, I feel BBBJ is a part of the GFE. Not saying everyone would agree with me on that but that is my definition. I reread my post to see where you got that I "thought" CBJ is GFE.... I repeatedly said BBFS and at one point I mentioned "Going BB with anyone, bf/gf or whomever is not safe". I was very much keep on topic with me saying BBFS. I was not speaking about BJs I see how it could have been taken that way, but that was not what I meant at all.  

I do very agree with Hector. I was saying that it is not subjective on what GFE is. It is very much what he said. Anything less is fake GFE. Don't wonder why guys seem confused because some claim they are GFE but don't try to offer that connection. Some are not PSE but not GFE either. They still like to say they are GFE. Huge headache for the guys not getting what they were expecting.

Posted By: hey mikey
It seems to me that you two (Hector and Alexandria) seem to agree on all related acts to the term GFE except for bbbj.  And I think THAT is the one offering that most/many rational P4P participants might disagree about.  To me the core of a GFE is the connection (real or implied) felt by the client, and presumably (hopefully, perhaps) by the provider also.  To me it is an attempt to replicate/approximate how most couples act early-on in a sexual relationship, and this is above and beyond the basics of lfk, dfk, daty, covered FS, or even bbbj.  (Though I never once had a GF give me a covered BJ, to be honest, but I have had providers who I considered to be GFE who did... but perhaps I consider them as GFE more because of the connection we shared more than anything else?)    
   
 That said, I agree with HectorBlack that since we're human, it's only natural for a provider to offer some clients a bit more (such as BBBJ or even BBBJCIMNQ/NS, or it could even be telling him her real first name, LOL), perhaps this might me reserved for those who attract or interest her for any number of real-world reasons -- it could be the clients attractiveness, wealth, sexual prowess, longevity as a client, intelligence, pleasant personality, cleanliness, sexy voice, honesty, pleasant emails, the fact he pays/tips for the hotel room even though she has the same rates for incall or outcall, makes her wet almost immediately, or that he brought along a nice $30 bottle of wine and not a bottle of 2-Buck-Chuck?  LOL  
   
 The reality is that this deeper connection might be damn impossible to receive or provide in a 30 or 60-minute romp or with a BP girl meeting 10 guys a day at Motel Hell.  But, the longer the date the more opportunity for it to be special and for a true girlfriend experience to occur. This connection might include holding hands, touching more than merely genitals and breasts, and all of the normal stuff associated with a civie GF, albeit likely with more gusto/skill in the sack than experienced with most civie GFs.  If it's a longer date and a meal/overnight is involved, it might also likely including opening doors for the lady, displaying proper manners and public respect, etc.... it's a 2-way streak, just like it is with a civie GF.  The difference is that at the end of the night, and maybe at the very beginning of the date too, and hopefully in the morning also... it's a sure thing.  LOL

Alexandria, I guess I mis-read your post, or perhaps thought you write something you didn't.  I have old eyes....  ;)

It is VERY subjective from the COMPANION side of things as proof by this thread. Companions indeed see it in a different light. There is no set standard, meaning it is subjective. Can we lay that to rest now please! No need to take my word for it or your word for it anymore. Research is complete and right in our faces from this thread. I wish we could poll the inside of males minds as a whole more for this one because I think wo question most men think of GFE in the terms I laid out. However, taking what some men have said on this thread, it is also subjective to men in regards to what services are included/desired OUTSIDE of BBFS. If even 1 out of 10 men see it differently, it's deemed subjective. Girlfriend Experience in this environment does not include bbfs to any rational male mind or irrational male mind as well I would argue no matter what they say to you. Irrational minds will come up with anything to try to get what they want. Trying to define GFE here or anywhere as a Standard definition of whatever, will NOT change THEM. I promise you.

I appreciate the rest you said and I will say this Alexandra. I do not know what is like to be a companion and have to deal with such motherfuckers who would try to pull such on you. I don't. It doesn't matter where you advertise and who you market to at the end of the day as far as me or anyone sane wishing you peace and safety. So however you want to look at it, however you want to describe it, OK. It really breaks my heart that you or anyone has to fucking be fearful in this hobby EVER and I mean that. There is just no damn cause for it.

Sorry for hurting your head btw ;) I hurt mine often! Can you not tell! Lol.

Unless your trying to reproduce a cover is a must.  No BB.  

GFE to everyone is different.  Some guys just want to DATY, or kiss, and they consider that to be a GFE, but no way is GFE=BB

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To me, like some of the others have said, GFE is that the provider gives me the illusion of being my girlfriend. It has nothing to do with BB. When I request a GFE I expect kissing, conversation, flirting, etc.. not just show up, get to business.  I wouldn't go BB with a provider for safety reasons, but to each their own. I do enjoy a good GFE and generally don't repeat ones that can't provide that kind of service. So, in short it's all about the attitude of the provider and the illusion they provide for me.

Girl Friend Experience.  As I leave, I feel that this is what it would be like IF she were my Girl Friend.  It most assurendly DOES NOT mean BBFS (Bare Back Full Service).  BJ can be covered or not but tends to be not.  The other activities can vary...  as we conremplate the unique pairing of 2 individuals.  

There are always some creepy guys trying to get Bare Back.  Show them the door.  (don't let it hit you in the ass on your way out!)

batmanbegins276 reads

Guess you are gay. GFE means no cover for BJ.

there is no rhyme or reason to GFE.  Sometimes BBBJ, sometimes DATY, sometimes DFK, and then sometimes not.  To me it just means someone that will spend the allotted amount of time with you and treat you like a friend as well as a lover.  It's more about the atmosphere provided than the actual services.

Posted By: CayenneCandy
I have spoken with my friends who are providers and have asked them this question.  
   
 What is GFE ?  
   
 Several ladies  have said " GFE is the same regardless if its covered or not."  
   
 Some Hobbyist  beg to differ." GFE = All Services that are BB."  
   
 Some of my clients have defined GFE = DFK, DATY, DATO  
   
 Are there any shades of gray?  
   
 ladies and gentlemen I would love to hear your thoughts.  
 

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