Best thing you can do here is go as far away from this girl as you can. Anytime you use the words "I know she wants it even though she says no" and "while forcing her onto me" you are over the line into rapist-in-a-matter-of-time.
If she wanted to she would have already. She doesn't want to and keeps saying no and resisting. TAKE THE HINT. DO NOT PASS GO. NO ONE COLLECTS $$$. GO TO JAIL. Get it? You just asked a bunch of folks who are enough against rape that they will pay for consent how to FORCE consent, stating that money apparently isn't enough. Sweet baby jesus you need to go see a shrink about your power and control issues. I hope she brings a cattle prod to reinforce her LACK of consent if you bother her again.I see a massage provider who's ad says "No FS don't ask"
She is young legit asian student and hottest thing since the sun, and if she wanted to go full GFE/PSE she could be one of the greats.
Now despite the fact that she says no FS and basically advertising for HE only, she has after several sessions for me to do more with her- DFK, DATY, FIV and a little me rimming, playing with ahole. She enjoys and probably would love a good ass fucking. She allows rubbing pussy lips on my cock and i've been tempted to just slide myself in bareback. She'll drip saliva on my cock and get close enough to blow kisses on me but no BJ, she's licked thighs but not balls or cock, although my cock was resting up against her cheek while she licked thighs. I know without question that if she went to town, it would be THE greatest BBBJ I will ever have in this lifetime. I've respected her ad boundaries, and while forcing her onto me, I've asking for her to go that extra inch to lower her face onto me- and hinted at significant extra $$$, but she's resisted.
So any ideas on pushing her over the edge- I know she wants to, she's just trying to remain HE provider only.
I'm willing to do anything. Help me fellow obi wan mongers- you're my only hope. she loves having cock rubbed on her lips, I only stop so I don't cum too soon as I keep hoping I'll pop in her mouth or maybe close enough to 'accidentally' facialize her.
Maybe you should use that logic to your own advantage. Tell her you can't stand it anymore, and that as much as you want her, you are going to simply "move on" if you can't have her?
One thing about "bluffing" though, as any gambler can tell you, she may call you on your bluff, but that's what I would do rather than being strung along with a tacit promise of "more" someday.
Wow you sound like a real piece of shit.
Being tempted and acting on that temptation are two very different things. I have seen some fifteen year olds that have literally made my jaw drop, that doesn't make me pedophile, ACTING on it would make me a pedophile. The same with him, as long as he doesn't act on his urges, wanting to put it in bareback only makes him human.
Most likely she knows that she is driving him crazy and will continue to do so as long as it works.
But I think OP is a BIG boundary pusher and will continue to push hers.
I'm betting his next move will be the ole, "how about I just put the tip in"?
to me he sounds like he's on the edge. Just because she allowed a bit of rimming on her, he's already made the leap to thinking she's LOVE to take it up the ass. some peeps have a hard time keeping their fantasies just that, a fantasy. To me he sounds like he's unable to do so.
Steph 
I can't recall ever receiving it because I don't like by butthole feeling wet. I think I might enjoy it, but I certainly wouldn't want a dick in my ass, so I see what you are saying there. Yes, his post was written from the perspective of a boundary pusher. Now I would say he has to ask if he's ever to get what he wants.
Nope. This prick sounds like he's a half step away from acting on it. Your clueless to not want to see it
The only reason you think it will be the best sex ever is because you arent getting it. She knows she is not the one holding out, you are with your wallet. You act like shes your soon to be girlfriend. But really its your uncle Ben that shes interested in. Its all about price and if you got it then you'll get it.
I had a great little massage gal who just recently retired. Mid 20's smokin' body, great face and attitude. Over two years we worked our way to all kinds of 'upgrades' such as cumming on her ass, her face, some dfk etc. A little cash here and there helped out with this process. That said, on several occasions when I brought up FS, I could get away with it as often as I'd seen her, she would demur. I told her price was no obstacle. She never went for it. Ever. There are exceptions to every rule and she was one. Can't wait until she comes back.
But you know as well as I do that in this world, for the the vast majority of situations, cash is king.
Respecting the word no.
Of course no always means no. I'm not one of those guys that uses cash as the force for a rape, although there are plenty of dudes here that do and plenty of ladies here that allow and even thrive on that practice.
And of course there are ladies that will not do something no matter how much cash is offered. But thats not what we are talking about. Its what makes a no become a yes. Your default business strategy is entirely based on that simple truth. Hell, human procreation in a modern civilized society depends on what makes no become yes. There are incredibly complicated rituals for this in the outside world. Its just that in this little world we play in, it's usually cash
Asking the Home Depot guy who just installed your new door if he will fix your toilet off the clock for some cash as opposed to asking over and over again if a lady will let you have sex with her for some cash. Huge difference. And that is what the OP, who already stated that he has thought about putting it inside her raw, asked.
Several sessions that have progressed about as far as it can go. She is doing everything but FS. He exercised restraint and only thought about sliding it in her while she stripper slides him. (I've always liked the term Banana Boat for that). What else would he be thinking about at that point? He showed restraint by not doing it in the face of that temptation. He came here for suggestions on how to get to that last step of her consenting to FS. Nobody is raping anybody in this scenario.
By the way, you do realize that "off the clock for some cash" is oxymoronic right?
an amazing chip on their shoulder over something no?
I'm old fashioned I guess. I've always followed the paradigm that a gentleman always asks and always takes no for an answer. A sophistcated woman knows there is no harm in asking. I guess the new paradigm is men are all assholes and women are annoyed.
Maybe you can't read.
Ask once, cool.
Keep pushing it?
Not cool.
You act like I'm a prude. I'm hardly a prude. I have sex for a living. I just respect boundaries.
How would you feel if I asked you over and over again for more money? It would get annoying. A girl at a massage place can't ban a guy. If a guy asks me to bareback once, I say no. Again and again? I kick him out.
Quit saying I said things I didn't.
Casino chips on my thigh.
He clearly thinks he knows what a lady wants when she had told him no. More than once.
I never mentioned the word rape, so please do not put words in my mouth.
If he did do it, it would be another story.
The mere fact that he thinks about it, she says no, and he's here asking his homies how he can still make it happen because he knows she wants it makes him a narcissist.
In re to off the clock, let me rephease. Under the table, you do know what I meant. No need to distract from the OPs desires of pushing something on a last that she has said no to. Let's not deter from the topic.
I already said what I thought about the situation. She is ambitious and is reeling this idiot in. You interpret it otherwise and believe that the lady in question is being coerced. Sure doesn't sound like it to me. Sounds like "no" has become "yes" on several occasions over time on her own volition. She's never asked him to leave, and please don't bring up this "she's desperate" bull shit. We don't know what her circumstances are. You think this moron is the only guy she's doing this with?
The more general issue you raised is consent. In my view the consent must be for mutual pleasure. Cash is merely an icebreaker for me. I know the majority here think that view is full of shit and its strictly cash in exchange for consent to wet dick. There seems to be a group of misogynistic douche bags who view cash as a better alternative to a gun or knife and a roll of duct tape. Still women consent to see them in exchange for money.
And no there was no way I could have known you meant "under the table" when you used another very common term here, "Off the Clock". I assumed you knew what you were saying when you said it. I couldn't care less, but I know there are those here who want to hear more about you and the Home Depot guy. Care to expand on their behalf
as I was contemplating seeing her.
Do you think it's ok that after you ask if I do something and I said no to continue to ask??
I'm glad that I left Maryland Monday as posted in my ad and you asked me today if I was there.
The three of you pigs can continue your lovely reasoning of why it's ok to push anyone's boundaries after they said no. I'm going to relax in the hot tub and be grateful that neither of you are a part of my life.
Goodnight.
as I clearly stated the first time I posted to this thread.
... and I thought you may have been in town, which was why I thought you were conversing with me to begin with. I figured I'd inquire since I was bored, I didn't look at any ad so I have no idea of your current schedule
Because I'm in Maryland? Or more specifically conversing with you? I know who you are and where you live?
Pure comedy this is.
Anywhooo.. I just got home. So, I'm sure you will carry on just wonderfully my input here.
Have fun!
that you were one of my "fans". The way you started responding to the majority of my posts. I was going to book, just to make sure you were not. I figured if you had been in town, posting here you had nothing else to do, so why not see for myself.
I'll stick to my rule of professional communications only.
Not quite sure who you're referring to but you've clearly opened more than a few eyes here today. Good night indeed and good luck.
She has successfully turned away three guys she feels are pigs and would rather get poked in the eye with a sharp stick than see. And others that find her hobbyist unfriendly need not apply either. Some of you guys think some hookers have no clue what they are doing by posting things that rankle sensibilities on here. They know darn well what they are doing...sometimes on purpose.
With her, provided she was in town. Just a simple inquiry on my part, no harm no foul. She wasn't in town, it is what it is.
I don't usually get involved on GD threads.
Way too many personas that some/mosttimes have nothing else to do with their day and no one else who will listen to them.
I just couldn't let this one go. After reading it, it made me want to barf.
In turn, if it makes guys who think it's ok to keep pressing me to do something that I don't do not want to see me, well ...I won't complain.
xx
No reason to get upset and insulting because we disagree about what a totally irrelevant situation between strangers is all about.
If a hooker says something they don't like ...a hooker no less, that they will never even see?
Like I said about.
Nothing else to do with their day and no one else who will listen to them.
xx
If you actually read what I said, I was actually agreeing with Alyssa about the consent issue. We disagreed over who was playing who in the OP's scenario and she got exceedingly annoyed that I wasn't changing my opinion that the guy was getting played by an age old stripper/FBSM provider ploy. No hard feelings here. I'm probably one of the nicest guys she'll never meet. I suspect she won't be meeting a lot of other nice guys who are TER members and who read her tirades here.
and checking with her about her availability. Apparently, I should know where in the world she is on any given day.
Please. In my years of being an escort and being active on TER I raaaaaarely get involved in GD board nonsense.
I see plenty of wonderful guys from TER and other escort boards, just click on my reviews.
I doubt even 5% of them bother reading the gd board either.
Most of the awesome nice guys rarely, if ever, post or read any of this.
If I'm going to not see guys that think it's ok to push sexual boundaries by offering more cash, great. I am 100% ok with that and wouldn't change a thing that I posted
My point is that the provider is playing him for more cash. She asking for more cash in a subtle and widely played game. I get that we disagree. No reason to get so ugly about it.
I see plenty of wonderful guys from TER and other escort boards, just click on my reviews.
I doubt even 5% of them bother reading the gd board either.
Most of the awesome nice guys rarely, if ever, post or read any of this.
If I'm going to not see guys that think it's ok to push sexual boundaries by offering more cash, great. I am 100% ok with that and wouldn't change a thing that I posted.
That some tricks pitch a fit over what a hooker say if it ids not trick friendlys...nothing more, nothing less.
And you think your nice, I think I am nice too but a few here would disagree...lol. We all have great opinions about ourselves, then the truth comes out.
See we hear how nice guys are a lot of the time and their perception can be somewhat skewed, as can a hooker stating she is the nicest person some trick might meet. Let the hooker tell you how nice you are and not the other way round. Self promotion is overrated.
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Yes, I think I even said that. My point was sadly I found the one gem who wouldn't completely bend. And I didn't force it so I continued to enjoy the pleasure of her talents. I miss her.
What are all of the details to all of your credit cards.
You don't want to give them to me?
Hmm..
Let me ask again .. I can see if in your eyes, I know you're kinda curious what would happen if a stranger had access to all of your credit cards.
So..
Ready now?
Oh, hey ..it's happy hour. Let's have a couple of drinks.
How do you feel?
Not too drunk?
I'll order another round.
Let's use your credit card.
Feeling any closer to wanting to give me the details?
Get where I'm going?
You're an asshole.
Enjoy what she offers. Dream of more, fine but never ever push. No means no, respect that. Every lady sets their boundaries based on their comfort levels and goals. Repeat them and thus the lady giving you pleasure. Don't push or manipulate her to expand her menu. That can make her jaded and hating her profession. It can land you on the "never again will I see that loser" list or even blacklisted. Don't be that lose that pushes and thus disrespects the ladies. Show respect for her and her boundaries and she may start to feel comfortable with you and open up her boundaries or not.
To me these aren't questions. They're statements by someone who wants to lure someone into their own fantasy.
You know she wants it??? Actually you don't know she wants it! Believe it or not, there are plenty of guys who have gone to trial and some are serving hard time because 'they knew she wanted it' when guess what, between the defendant and the 12 jurors there was still only one person who believed she wanted it. And we all know there are plenty more who should have been charged who never were.
And did you actually say you forced yourself on her??? Are you serious. OK, I'll suspend disbelief and for the purposes of your post I'll assume you are ignorant and not a hard core criminal, but either way my advice to you is don't act on any of this. Ever... as in EVER. And I won't charge you big sums of cash for it.
Now, in fairness you're entitled to want what you want. But the opposite is true too, she's entitled to do only what she wants to do, as defined by *her* not you. If you don't like the teasing then go somewhere else because in the end she's not your type.
Your questions are statements, and your statements are troubling. They suggest you see the world as defined by pornography where you can script it anyway you want because someone is on your payroll. Not in real life, it doesn't work that way, and it's this sort of thinking that has gotten guys into real trouble they can't get out of and made life a living hell for women, both short and long term. Not all fantasies have a happy ending - you have the right to ruin your life but don't take anyone else with you.
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eventually she let me know that extras were available. It sounds like she's offered you extras... to the limit she's comfortable with. Enjoy it or walk away. Don't you be the one to push her limit. She knows you are interested... leave it be.
I can think of several instances in my past where I had to do the right thing, even if I didn't want to.
You deserve some cupcakes. I wish I could fedex some to you.
Seriously guys. For anyone thinking how the OP is approaching this is right, it's not.
If two adults willingly agree to something, go for it. Outside consequences may exist, but they have nothing to do with boundaries. Pushing boundaries is horrible. You don't like when your wives or girlfriends push yours, don't push a females. Or another guys for that. That's a true narcissist right there. There are plenty of women, or whatever, that will offer what you wish. If you bring it up once, that's enough. Pushing an issue? Seek therapy.
Xo
I can't see how guys get any pleasure out of pushing a girl to do what she's not comfortable with. Do providers ever plead with guys to skip BCD and just pay them for the session? Or come to her apartment and help her paint a wall during his day off work? It seems like guys are too often trying to get something from girls that they don't want to give (extra services, extra time, no condom, OTC dinner, phone sex...)
Jesus Christ.
For the clients participating here who are just fun and easy, THANK YOU.
Maybe we could all say to our next visitor, "it looks like you don't want a blowjob today ...I can see it in your eyes." and see what happens. 
Lol, lol ...
I kid, I kid, but could you imagine!
xx
You just dropped into douche bag territory a-hole with this "forcing" her.
Leave her alone and let her do what she feels comfortable with. You are the kind of guy most of us despise who plan ways to force and trick into doing things she may not want to. If she wanted to suck your cock, she would, if she wanted it in her ass, she would...seeing as she has not yet, she is NOT READY to go there.
You seriously make me want to punch you in the throat.
Best thing you can do here is go as far away from this girl as you can. Anytime you use the words "I know she wants it even though she says no" and "while forcing her onto me" you are over the line into rapist-in-a-matter-of-time.
If she wanted to she would have already. She doesn't want to and keeps saying no and resisting. TAKE THE HINT. DO NOT PASS GO. NO ONE COLLECTS $$$. GO TO JAIL. Get it?
You just asked a bunch of folks who are enough against rape that they will pay for consent how to FORCE consent, stating that money apparently isn't enough. Sweet baby jesus you need to go see a shrink about your power and control issues. I hope she brings a cattle prod to reinforce her LACK of consent if you bother her again.
I have a better solution...and it costs about 25 cents.