Maybe a bit off topic, but hopefully there will be a guy or two here who has some real insight...
Do any of the Sugar daddy websites work? Do any of them work better than others? Any recommendations? Ladies do you ever use those sites to find clientele?
I've found them to be a joke! It seems most of the men on there think their net worth makes them worthy of being worshipped, so they usually demand exclusivity, or a huge chunk of time monthly. Exclusivity for me would be impossible. Not only would my price tag be financially ugly to these gentleman, even if they can afford it, they often think that money bought you ANY TIME, ANY PLACE, and you're supposed to have no limitations or personal boundaries. They think they own you, and they don't like hearing the word "no".
In addition, I never found one willing to offer a monthly stipend. Even if they don't want exclusivity, they want a lot of your time, but they don't actually want to pay money for it. They think giving gifts, such as a Coach purse, or wining and dining you makes them a Sugar Daddy. Ha! I can buy my own bags, thank you, and I can't imagine there are that many hungry women running around. So a $200 meal and a $500 bag is what he thinks is "generous" for seeing her 2x a week for 3-4 hours each??? That's not even enough to see me once for 2 hours.
The best part is almost every guy's profile says NO PROFESSIONALS. They despise escorts. They see us as too independent. Because we actually want money for the time used, and we can absolutely say no, and we can't be ordered up like pizza when they snap their fingers. They also see us as sub-standard since we see more than just one guy. Not sure where he got the idea his little dining Princess was a virgin, and he's just plain stupid if he thinks he's buying her "exclusivity". Umm, hmm. She's not sleeping with anybody else...right...
And from what I've heard, most of the girls are looking to be "taken shopping" but their profile clearly states "no sexual contact". Bahahaha! Okay, honey, whatever...it's loaded with 19-21 year old girls that are hoping to bow down to, and then marry, a rich guy. They figure that's how they'll get his money. Stay for a few years, divorce, take half.
This is less drama and no strings. More expensive, but more often than not you get what you pay for!
Well actually Alexandra was lamenting from the female, especially the professional female point of view. Those little 19-21 year olds she was referencing might be having the time of their lives being wined and dined by these guys and not even know the difference. I respect and understand her opinion, but would like to hear more from the guys POV. Personally, I would find it rather fun (I think) to cultivate such a relationship with a young lady. Anyone with real details from the guys side. Any recommendations on sites
I have met a lot of great women on that site. Most are quite genuine and just looking to supplement their income some to cover college debt or the very high cost of living in this area. They go on dates with cheap guys on Match.com that expect to split the check at dinner and then have sex, and really just looking for friends with benefits. Meanwhile, if they find a good SD, they can get additional cash to cover their expenses, be wined and dined, get nice gifts, and be treated better than guys on Match just looking to hook up for free. And to them, they don't feel like they are prostitutes.
From my perspective, I get to be with someone where I feel like there is a more genuine connection, where our dates are not at all rushed, and I don't have to keep an eye on the clock or worry about overstaying my welcome. My typical date is 2-3 hours for an 'allowance' that a descent provider in my area would maybe accept for 1 hour. I have even done a couple of overnights at a small fraction of what a pro would expect.
Looks wise, I would say all the women I have been with on SA rate 7-10 on the inflated TER scale. Since I get to meet them for coffee or drinks first, any women trying to pull a bait and switch don't get very far. I would say the average is 8-9 looks. As far as performance goes, I can tell you all the SBs I have been with have been pretty great. My worst was a 7, and that was only because she was super safe and insisted on a CBJ. Most of the others have been a 9 as at times 'I forgot it is a service.' I have even been with a few where we never discussed money period. It's ultimately still p4p, but the experienced is enhanced because it feels more genuine and that there is real chemistry. These girls may be lowering their standards some given the circumstances, but many of them cannot fake it or be with a guy they can't find the least bit attractive.
As for drama or other heightened risks associated with SBs, knock on wood, I have had no problems so far. Many of these women want NSA, and wouldn't want to be called out either for doing this. In fact, the only drama I have run into with p4p has been with a couple of pros I saw regularly... Also, maybe I am in the minority, but I never asked for ,nor expected, any exclusivity. I don't suck up too much of their time (2-3x a month on average for 2-3 hours), and I keep the communication outside of date planning to a minimum. I have actually gotten some pretty sweet emails from some girls letting me know how appreciative they are. The pro is I am getting quite a bit more from my perspective. The con is that it is certainly is a lot more effort than responding to an escort ad. I have found that investment to pay big dividends.
I fully get why any providers on this site would diss the SB route, though I am coming across more and more of their profiles on SA.com... From their perspective, they can make a ton more money charging clients per hour, with nothing further whatsoever after the guy walks out the door. More power to them. I have wondered to what degree the rise of these SB sites has effected demand for escorts. I used to be pretty active here and have cut WAY back on this side. I know a few others who have done the same
Of course the guy is happy with the SD route. He can get a 19-21 year old chick on demand, waste loads of her time per month, screw her half to death and all he had to do was buy her an IPad and take her to dinner. Duh - why wouldn't the guys on there like that?
What they are missing is a genuine experience by a seasoned lady that knows how to treat a man. A 19 year old does not have the intellectual capacity, the maturity or the bedroom skills of a professional. That's why we cost more, we're worth it. It's like buying a diamond engagement ring from Walmart, or Tiffany's...
The younger girls are usually lots of drama. They may settle for nice shoes and a little bit of jewelry at first to play nice, but their eye is on the prize. And if they don't think they're going to get it, lots of them have been known to go psychotic and blackmail someone by threatening to tell wives, etc.
But of course, most of them want to be "taken care of" with "no sexual contact". I'm sure that's worth wasting your time cultivating...
Couldn't keep the lie up about not being a pro. I guess I knew too much. Guys wanted too much or a lot of sex and didn't want to give up "sugar". Blah. Spent way too much time talking and "entertaining" with nothing in return. Gave up on the SD sites. Married sites have more guys willing to "exchange" but even that is a crap shoot. Never pulled clients from sites, conflict of interest. On those sites I can pick and choose and go out, solely for my greedy pleasures. Here it's more like blind dating but with common interests and way less BS involved when getting together. This is the easier route and you can sleep better at night.
The main benefit of these relationships is the per hour rate. You can get much longer sessions with the SB's for the same rate as a pro charges per hour. 3 hour dinner date for 300-400. Overnights for similar. If you have the time to invest in it, and it can be many emails/conversations, you can certainly make an arrangement that is a far better "deal" then a pro. You may find one offs their as well, but it does come with some risk. You aren't seeing a pro, who half forgets you once the door closes. A pro won't email you, won't ask for money. (not that all SB's do) There is little to no chance of a pro becoming fixated on you.
If you cannot host, or have a limited schedule it may not work for you. i gave it a whirl. Certainly had enough offers to sort though but I decided to stick with pro's. I don't often want a much longer session, cannot host and have a limited schedule. Some of the offers where great. 3 or more hours for 250 in one case, 300 for similar with a 19 year old hottie. A mitt full of milf's where also interested. Sure there are others asking for much more. A few semi-pro's. (admitted)
For me, when I select a pro to see, I know what I'm getting. I don't have to worry about condoms, lube etc... I don't have to get a room. Not that you can't shop around with the SB's but unless you have an ideal location the interesting options might be limited, they where for me. I've read some great success stories and had a few nice options like I said, but I really like that once my trip is over, its over. I don't have to think about her other then recalling the pleasure I derived.
You could float between the two, but depending on how many "dates" you can afford to make a week, it might be difficult.
I wish I was in a position to take advantage of what the Sb's offer. It is a far better deal in many cases. But, if you are like me and have a lot of limitations, think hard about dabbling in the scene. It was hours of banal emails. With the pro's I exchange about 2 emails and 2 texts and I'm knocking on their door. Not the 70+ exchanges I had with one SB..
Very well put! I've always been curious and have been window-shopping for some time now but have yet to dip my toe.
There are both pros and cons to both sides, SB vs. Escorts. Sure there are the disadvantages just like Alexandra mentioned but there are also advantages: more value for the money per hour as mentioned, also girls are usually younger which just by itself is a HUGE advantage, may have dramas yes but also less chance of already being jaded, embittered or being men-hater. Being young they're more willing to try and be taught by us seasoned hobbyists as far as bedroom skill. Last but not least but being so emotionally and mentally inexperienced these young girls are also much easier to be manipulated... eh sorry I mean being mentored and shown the ways, LOL
I think you summed up nicely the attraction for * some* of us. It sounds like fun to me...young under girls..thrill of the chase..as long as it brings results. So does anyone know the best sites?
It's a far better deal on the guy's end financially ONLY. There are too many other negative variables that suck the value out of the savings...
I found that the guys on those sites put the pig in Pygmalion.
That is probably why I have done so well always being a complete gentleman... For a well established provider, i could certainly see how the SB/SD route makes little sense unless they met Daddy Warbucks who was willing to offer them a huge monthly allowance...
And it was awful.
The guy was a complete jerk. We met at hotel, had dinner there and then went up to a room to have a little playtime. He was so aggressive with my body, kept trying to have sex without a condom under the premise that he hadn't been with anyone but his wife in 25+ years. I told him I didn't do CIM so he asked me to watch him jack off then tried to force my face unto his cock when he was cumming.
Terrible experience, I left after 30 minutes and I am much happier as a by the hour provider lol
Guys finally found away around the escorts hustle and have their own hustle in Sugar Babies. You go ahead and charge your 500+ per hour while only being a 5-6 in the real world scale. I'll stick to the hot college girls that are easily 8-9s. I can spend hours with for $200-400. I could go on and on but seeing all seem bitter towards "sugar, I'm sitting back laughing at their responses just thinking "haha, whore logic"
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