Lets see:
Full of shitAND
Full of yourself Congratulations, that qualifies you for a 10 on the the complete jackass scale!
And generous rater that I am, I'll stick with that as your score. Something for you to be proud of. Now go get a nice rim job and relax. And maybe just maybe while in that relaxed state you'll realize that sometimes if people put their minds to things, they really CAN improve things. Honest. It does happen. Believe it or not, even Apple has done this. So as difficult as it may be to part with it, you probably should upgrade from that 2e. I know change can be very scary - but don't worry. I'll even hold your hand and help as you write a new review if they ever do change the system - that's the kind of nice guy that I am.
Hello all. I realize number ratings can be quite arbitrary. I think they are only useful if you can read a hobbyists previous reviews. I also realize that TER has I tried to award 10's for service for two girl from Montreal - one for this year and one fro last year. The Mods on this board refused to award the 10 stating that in order to be eligible to receive a 10 a girl must offer a few services. She has to do anal, be really Bi in a 3-sum, or swallow cum or something like this. I changed the ratings to 9s and they were posted.
I am OK with this but my problem is that I have read many reviews where the hobbyist did not get any of these extra services and yet the girl receives several 10s. In fact, there is a US provider in San Francisco that charges $600/hour. I saw her and she was great. But I know that she does not do anal for example and I have read reviews and she did not provide any of these extra services and she gets 10 after 10 after 10. I wonder why this is allowed?
I was with Christina in Montreal last October. This 18 year old French girl gave me the best service ever with 2 shots on goal, DFK, DATY, MPOS and I can't remember what else (I'm sure I put a digit up her ass - I always do). She also said that she would do a 3-sum with another provider or basically anything I wanted to try. Anyway, TER would not let me give her a 10. I wonder? Is it because she did all this for 220$/hour while the same caliber girl in the US would fetch 400-600$/hour?
Maybe they watch the first review for a provider more closely? Again, I am OK with the fact that they made me lower the score prior to posting the review. What I am not OK with is the consistency. Why are there other SP's on this board receiving 10s without providing the extras?
Food for thought...
And they are in writing (unlike many of the other TER rules which are more arbitrary). When you go to write a review you click on the "submit a review" button, and you are taken to the review guidelines page which you are supposed to read. Apparently most guys just scroll to the bottom of the page, and click on "agree" to get to the next page where they start filling out the review form. If you actually read the 15 guidelines, you would see rule #7:
This does not mean she earns extra points for offering the service(s); just that she is now eligible for a higher score. Her maximum eligible score is based on what is offered, not what is performed during your session with her. You may or may not be interested in the “extra” services she offers, but the fact she offers them makes her eligible for the higher score.
If your review rates a provider higher than her maximum score, the score will be adjusted down to her maximum.
-- Modified on 3/7/2015 7:23:07 PM
OK. It looks really simple. I'll give you that. Pick a handful of well reviewed girls on this board that have 10 after 10 after 10. Read the reviews and you will see that many do not meet the criteria you mentioned. Yet they score 10 after 10 after 10. I know because I have seen a few of those girls.
If it says they offer three of the 5 "extras" then they are eligible for the 10. If not, then send in a damn problem report. It's not rocket science.
I just now did a 10 min-to-10 max performance search, and every on of the 25 providers I randomly checked met the requirements. In fact, some time back, on a day that I was laid up, I literally spent hours doing this and only found a couple that were over-scored by the TER criteria.
A far bigger problem, by the way, is the services listed are incorrect.
If you find an over-scored review, you can turn in a problem report and TER will adjust the score appropriately.
If it says the service is offered in their profile, then they qualify, regardless what they do in any given session. Now whether the profile is correct or not is a whole other issue, and not what we are discussing here. Hungry is obviously having provlems comprehending the TER rules or my summary or explanation of them.
one lady I gave a 10/9 offered anal but we couldn't get it in. Her added fee was based upon "attempted or offered which is ALL that mattered" and TER has the service listed as Yes. Her rating was based upon her beauty and her performance warranted a 9 DESPITE a cbj. So bi, OFFER of greek, etc entitles her to a 9.29 overall rating, the sum of her reviewers.
A far bigger problem, by the way, is the services listed are incorrect.
Errors in services can go different way, obviously. It can say she does but she doesn't, vice versa, or says "I don't know" when reviews are clear about that service.
I believe if the key services for score potential above 7 do not say "yes" then it doesn't count for the provider. (I could be wrong on that)
I've had TER turn down some service correction. I assume because it was not clear enough to them in enough reviews to make a clear determination. But most have been verified and fixed. I believe that TER tries to be accurate and consistent in applying their system.
There are ladies out there who provide an extremely pleasurable service involving a man's backside - that many providers wouldn't ever DREAM of doing - who still can't get a 10, just because they don't do anal and threesomes. So, the best you can do for them is say in your review, "this was one of the best sessions I've ever had, but I can't give it the rating it truly deserves because the current TER rating rules won't allow it." And you just have to leave it at that unfortunately.
There are tons of problems with the TER numbering system. All I said is that the rules are plainly stated, and are pretty simple to follow, and I never understood why so many have such a hard time figuring it out.
It is what it is, and it's all we have for now.
Personally, I don't like them either. I really don't give a shit about anal (pun intended) and why would it matter to me if the girl is "really bi" (unless I'm doing a doubles session) or if she's ok with "more than one guy?" (no interest at all in that for me) If I had a "once in a lifetime experience with a lady, then I should be able to give her a 10 if I wanted even without all those requirements, but the rules are the rules, so I follow them.
But if many others do too, shouldn't TER be open to considering changes that the community would want?
Have they ever polled the community about things like this?
I think once a year it would be a good idea if they did reach out to their customers to see how they could improve things, send out a customer satisfaction survey. And they could have us vote on certain proposed changes.
TER should remove "two girl action" and "more then one guy at a time" from the ratings. They could replace it with BLS and Rimming.
The vast majority of ladies claim to offer both but other then with a written review that they have done one or both it isn't verifiable.
The two I offered, or others, are easily verified by the vast majority of reviewers. Have a vote on it. I get that its their site and they can run it how they want, but I think the way it is skews the scores. What lady isn't going to say yes to those items when she never has to actually provide that service?
Have they ever polled the community about things like this?
I think once a year it would be a good idea if they did reach out to their customers to see how they could improve things, send out a customer satisfaction survey. And they could have us vote on certain proposed changes.
I do not do anal, allow rimming, care about BSL one way or another, so a ten would still mean she does crap I don't want. I am not alone. Actually the numbers would still be worthless so maybe the best solution is a simple would you recommend question. Of course that means the illiterate, can't think for themselves type would be lost. And those fool pay VIP (or write fake reviews) for there VIP. TER will never do anything to like that.
...the Suggestion & Policy board there is No way they are not aware of this. While some people have said it's the system we have so we use it I have never read anyone that thought no changes were needed.
Come on admin. It's a performance rating which means how she performed that day in that session and a 10 should always be possible.
Do some study on consumer review of any type. You'll find that review bias, fake reviews (both good and bad), subjective or ambiguous rating systems, etc., etc., etc., make all such systems unreliable. They are guidelines at best and that is still only the case if the reader has enough understanding to interpret the data.
Why get all angsty about it? Are you wanting an absolute guarantee that you will get the same experience as the ratings show? If you are you're naive.
Are you upset that your fav lady deserves better in your book? Or that the system isn't as perfect as you desire? Well then, maybe you should get off of your white horse, grow up, and realize that life isn't fair.
By the way, your fav lady that doesn't BBBJ, or DFK, or ANAL or THREESOMES... She doesn't deserve a 10 in my book.
So who's book is bigger, mine or yours?
Really don't know where to go with your blindingly brilliant logic that all review systems are flawed, so golly gee, let's just throw our hands up and say, "oh well, nothing we can do to improve."
And no, the TER rating system is more than a "guideline", it actually PREVENTS reviewers from leaving a rating that they may want to give, yes, possibly even geniuses like you. Even though I may disagree with how you might rate, I would still rather allow YOU to rate any lady however you see fit.
And I said absolutely nothing that would lead anyone with with at least 2 brain cells to rub together to speculate that I want an "absolute guarantee" that I will get the "same experience as the ratings show". Did you even read what I wrote?
And "grow up, get off my white horse, and realize that life isn't fair." Okay, status quo it is! Let's all live by that moto Einstein.
No, instead of making just a general criticism, I gave a specific example of an instance where I thought the system was inadequate. Of course, with all your bloviating, you didn't even bother to address the very specific concern that I mentioned. And of course you are wrong about what the services that the lady did in fact offer, which included a BBBJ and DFK. I'm far from a White Knight, but I am a fair guy, and not a douche bag. I don't think it would take much to improve the rating system, but would like to see TER be a little more responsive to the needs of this community. They could poll members about things like this, to see how people feel, and get ideas for changes, and even possibly have members vote to approve or deny changes. Isn't the review system supposed to be for the benefit of this community? But with sycophants like you, why should they ever consider making ANY change?
...that there just might be TER members who have studied statistical analysis, have advance degrees or who in marketing? I thinking you don't know the difference between a J curve, U curve, or a Bell curve.
Consumer review systems are not objective in the least, and from a purely scientific perspective are nearly worthless. That doesn't mean you cannot glean something useful from them, but understanding how they and why they work is important to draw the best conclusions.
Lets see:
Full of shit
AND
Full of yourself
Congratulations, that qualifies you for a 10 on the the complete jackass scale!
And generous rater that I am, I'll stick with that as your score.
Something for you to be proud of.
Now go get a nice rim job and relax. And maybe just maybe while in that relaxed state you'll realize that sometimes if people put their minds to things, they really CAN improve things. Honest. It does happen. Believe it or not, even Apple has done this. So as difficult as it may be to part with it, you probably should upgrade from that 2e. I know change can be very scary - but don't worry. I'll even hold your hand and help as you write a new review if they ever do change the system - that's the kind of nice guy that I am.
I didn't read past your first three lines...
I just couldn't. It simply was too painful to endure your displeasure caused by my poorly chosen words. Please forgive me. I can't stand the thought of your disapproval.
My mother tried to teach me to always be gentle with children, patient with dullards, and to suffer fools well. Today I have failed all those in one thoughtless reply. I am so ashamed.
Yawn.
I can understand shit-for-brains, but you... you're soulless!
The guidelines are not enforced by the mod’s?
When the Mod’s start to enforce the guidelines strictly then one might see some scoring improvement.
Fully understanding this comment will go over like lead balloon, the looks part also needs to include with or without make up since photos are photo shopped. Only the degree varies.
...Irregardless of the added services. Only for masseuses. Or for those who offer either massage or GFE.
That's really too much to hope for, but having the "massage quality" on the checklist helps a lot.
So, who cares. How fuck up the numbers are has been done to death. It is right up with who is hotter and penis size threats. It doesn't matter the numbers are pointless anyway. The content of the review is far more important. The numbers are just there for the illiterate types who can't think for theirselves and want to tust the most faked thing in the reviews and reflect services that may or may not be of import to you. Like who really gives a fuck if a lady will fuck you and your buddy unless that is your perversion. If it is great but most sessions just aren't MFM. They just aren't.
Hmmm. Thanks for the comments guys. I think what I was missing is that if the profile says they offer certain services then a SP can achieve a "10" rating fro performance whether she provides that service during that particular session or not?
funny, I have read reviews for a girl where the profile said "BBBJ" and all 8 or 10 reviews said "CBJ." I reported it and TER changed it.
My complaint stemmed from recent trips to Montreal. I went to Montreal last October and for 220$ i had the service of my life from an 18 year old. Her service deserved an 11 or maybe a 10,000 and I had to give her a 9. My friends in Montreal and one of the hobbyist turned agency owner all agreed she provided the best service since the famous Daryn of Montreal and we can't rate her a 10. I just saw another 19 year old last trip that was voted rookie of the year and GFE of the year. She is the best spinner I have ever and and her little body was flawless. She went all out for me and after we were done I was able to spread massage oil all over her body and vice verse. It was incredible. I had to change that to a 9 too.
My experiences have been shaped by my multiple trips in Brazil, Germany, and Montreal. I have even been to Thailand, Argentina, Mexico, the Ukraine and other Euro countries. So my experiences have been skewed by a better hobby landscape with much better value. In all those countries you don't expect to pay 600$ for a MILF that provides a CBJ...LOL. I mean really, last year in Vegas a hobby friend said try SP XYZ. I emailed her and she got back to me saying that she no longer does DFK or BBBJ and she was charging $600!!!!! I said thank you very much but I pass. There are still good experiences in the USA but you really have to pay for them. My point is I think I know a good deal when I see one and believe me guys there are a few 10's out there that the system would not let me reward them.
I don't get how she can't get to a 10.
Two girl action and 2 guys at the same time. Both are unprovable so almost always automatic. So she doesn't bbbj, greek or kiss? Seems easy enough to avoid and easy to argue. If she says she does either or both how can they argue it? In almost every case they have to take the providers word for it. It isn't like there are a lot of reviews of MMF.... It's fucking stupid.
No bbbj, greek or kissing? That's a 10 to you?
I've had outstanding service, some fantastic sex but if she doesnt't offer those things it isn't a 10. Doesn't matter if I thought she was a 20. The rules are clear. But it sure seems easy to get around.
funny, I have read reviews for a girl where the profile said "BBBJ" and all 8 or 10 reviews said "CBJ." I reported it and TER changed it.
My complaint stemmed from recent trips to Montreal. I went to Montreal last October and for 220$ i had the service of my life from an 18 year old. Her service deserved an 11 or maybe a 10,000 and I had to give her a 9. My friends in Montreal and one of the hobbyist turned agency owner all agreed she provided the best service since the famous Daryn of Montreal and we can't rate her a 10. I just saw another 19 year old last trip that was voted rookie of the year and GFE of the year. She is the best spinner I have ever and and her little body was flawless. She went all out for me and after we were done I was able to spread massage oil all over her body and vice verse. It was incredible. I had to change that to a 9 too.
My experiences have been shaped by my multiple trips in Brazil, Germany, and Montreal. I have even been to Thailand, Argentina, Mexico, the Ukraine and other Euro countries. So my experiences have been skewed by a better hobby landscape with much better value. In all those countries you don't expect to pay 600$ for a MILF that provides a CBJ...LOL. I mean really, last year in Vegas a hobby friend said try SP XYZ. I emailed her and she got back to me saying that she no longer does DFK or BBBJ and she was charging $600!!!!! I said thank you very much but I pass. There are still good experiences in the USA but you really have to pay for them. My point is I think I know a good deal when I see one and believe me guys there are a few 10's out there that the system would not let me reward them.
I think you misread my post Truu1. Hell no I wouldn't give a 10 to someone that didn't BBBJ or DFK. Where did you get that?
I said I would not session with a Vegas SP who announced no DFK or BBBJ. I will not session with anyone that wont do DFK, BBBJ, DATY, and MPOS. That is the minimum. In the USA you can pay 600$ and the girl will tell you no DFK and CBJ. Fuck that!!!!
I know that this thread is getting a little convoluted and hard to follow so maybe I misunderstood you Truu1.
Not only is the thread confusing so it the format. Text all over the screen for me.
I was wondering why you couldn't give her a 10.
If you start at 7 and you need 3 of 5 to get to 10 how didn't you get there?
It seems to me, that 95% or more of the profiles I read say the girl is bi or will do threesomes. Many also say there are into MMF. No one can verify this. TER can only take the word of the provider unless she actually does it. She could or anyone could submit a correction and they should change it. Did someone put she didn't do either? How did it get there?
These are unprovable. The vast majority of ladies or guys doing the reviews lie about it. Its why its stupid for TER to include it in the scoring system, both are unimportant to the vast majority of johns.
So if her profile lists that she's bi or will do a threesome (doesn't matter if its true) TER can't disprove it. If she says that she's into MMF TER has to take her word for it. How do they disprove it? If it shows that she doesn't fix it. Or won't they fix it? Every girl with do a threesome. Most of the low end 3somes the ladies don't even touch each other. Why not do it? Seems like less work. As for MMF, 97% of dudes aren't going to do it. I don't want to see another dudes O face. Or accidentally bump nuts or cross swords...
So there are 2 of the 5. Now if she offers only one of the follow DFK, Greek or BBBJ she is eligible for the 10.
Why can't she get a 10?
I was trying to figure out what she didn't do that capped her score at 9.
I said I would not session with a Vegas SP who announced no DFK or BBBJ. I will not session with anyone that wont do DFK, BBBJ, DATY, and MPOS. That is the minimum. In the USA you can pay 600$ and the girl will tell you no DFK and CBJ. Fuck that!!!!
I know that this thread is getting a little convoluted and hard to follow so maybe I misunderstood you Truu1.
Start by scoring her the way you want to score her, regardless of services actually provided.
If she was a once in a lifetime for you, start at ten. If she offers three of the five "1 point extras" and they are in her profile (regardless of whether you partook in your session), give her the 10. If they are not in her profile, submit a problem report and have it corrected first (or have her do so), then give her a 10.
If she offers only two of the 5 "extras", subtract 1 and give her a 9. And so on.
If I have a "Forgot It Was A Service" experience with a provider who doesn't offer any extra point services, I start at 9 and subtract 2 to get her to the next highest score she is "eligible" for... a 7.
I'm not going to see gal who doesn't offer DFK and BBBJ, so everyone I see will be "eligible" for 9+. However, If I see a "10 Eligible" provider and feel like it was an "Average" performance then I will score a 5; I'm not adding 3 arbitrary points that added nothing to my own experience.
Start with how YOU felt about the session, and then apply the rules for "extra points" by subtraction.