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If you are getting all the business you want, which many girls here would be envious of, then of course there is no need to make any changes.

When I was a massage provider, I barely paid attention to my TER reviews and was not very aware of their impact on my success. Still, I felt I got pretty good reviews at the time and I had steady clientele and was not too concerned about it. When I came back and began offering GFE, I did more research and realized quickly the impact reviews and ratings may have on one's interest in meeting me. I swore I would not get caught up in the numbers of it all... but, there is so much underlying emphasis! It has me wondering...  

... When you are searching for a new provider to meet, how do you interpret her review history? For example, my "average" #s appear much lower than the ratings I've been receiving since I became GFE, because the massage scores are by definition lower. I guess I'm curious to know what kind of impact this has on those searching.  

I am not in need of reassurance - only curious to understand how all of this gets interpreted from the other side!  

xo
Sonja

and as a result have never even had a review. I was out of the country for a bit though so I think that plays a major role.  

 

 

 

 
 

Posted By: SonjaDarling
When I was a massage provider, I barely paid attention to my TER reviews and was not very aware of their impact on my success. Still, I felt I got pretty good reviews at the time and I had steady clientele and was not too concerned about it. When I came back and began offering GFE, I did more research and realized quickly the impact reviews and ratings may have on one's interest in meeting me. I swore I would not get caught up in the numbers of it all... but, there is so much underlying emphasis! It has me wondering...  
   
 ... When you are searching for a new provider to meet, how do you interpret her review history? For example, my "average" #s appear much lower than the ratings I've been receiving since I became GFE, because the massage scores are by definition lower. I guess I'm curious to know what kind of impact this has on those searching.  
   
 I am not in need of reassurance - only curious to understand how all of this gets interpreted from the other side!  
   
 xo  
 Sonja

Searches will not be favorable for you for the most part as you are ranked 37th in your area. If more clientele is your goal, it doesn't seem to me you are maximizing your advertising here on TER which may mean you do not have a sound advertising/marketing plan in general.

In general though, I personally place much more emphasis on more current reviews than older ones. I think most guys do, but the problem is that your profile may not even make it before enough guys, which gets back to you needing an even better advertising plan to make up for the lower ranking you have.

Oh thanks - to clarify, I am actually not having trouble business-wise. I am ranked 37th though and it is definitely an artifact of my previous massage reviews. I am well aware that as things go on the numbers will rise - I was really only curious as to how people employ the reviews/ratings when looking for new ladies to see. I'm not worried, more curious.  

(My marketing strategy is a job well done, and it is working wonders so far for me.)

:)

If you are getting all the business you want, which many girls here would be envious of, then of course there is no need to make any changes.

Totally. I think I am just trying to understand how things happen on the other side - because the better I can understand you (general you), the better I can respond to how others see things, and the more graciously I can align what I do with others' priorities and interests where appropriate. It's a people business, you know? :) Thanks for sharing!

me and my wife pay more attention to what people say than we do the ratings, our main things are ...are the pictures really her, is she nice, does she deliver what she advertises and weather or not she has bad reviews such as grab and runs no shows,bait and switch etc, numbers actually mean nothing to us.....because one persons 8= really hot might be someone elses 6 or 7, we think the whole rating system should be reworked.

You and your wife!! Now that is hot! I am glad you can share the experience together!

Thanks, we LOVE what being in the lifestyle has done for us, best decision we ever made!!!!!

screen out "outlier" reviews with ease, and know to weight more recent reviews higher than older ones. If we can't explain a pattern, we'll likely ask previous reviewers or even ask you directly.  

You may be missed by some guys who search only for women with 8/8 or 9/9 scores and up. I search at 7/7 and up (plus my own "deal-breakers" in terms of services/menu).

You may be missed by those who need an ego boost and will only see the top ranked 1 or 10 providers for an area. I don't need that "validation", so I don't personally give a damn where someone is "ranked".

If I find you through an ad or post or anywhere else... all roads lead to your reviews, and thus my first statements apply - we can interpret your reviews with sensible ease and ask questions if we need in order to "know" you and choose.  

I choose women I am attracted to for whatever reason (and sometimes I don't even know what that reason may be) and while I'll check reviews they often have little bearing on my choices. I can definitely say that I have NEVER been attracted to a woman simply based upon a review.  

As you said - Happy clients tell happy tales and bring referral business.  

I'd say you have no worries.

I agree with 100% of what you said in that post and was about to post something similar. :)

You've given me a few things to think about, too, so thanks!

Prior to becoming a companion, and not just a masseuse, I really didn't care about the reviews. Most reviewers seemed to see FS girls primarily so they weren't my target market. Business was good to great most months, and I did massages only for about 3+ years. In all of that time I believe I garnered just 10 reviews. My current performance average is about a 7.

Recently, just in the past few months, I've added GFE to my menu, and my business has gone from great to like really great lol. But my reviews don't reflect that at all. Actually, I think my reviews give the impression that business is terrible for me, and perhaps that I'm terrible at it. I also feel that others believe that my rates are too high for someone with my limited number of reviews, and my relatively low scores. Obviously I don't agree, and my rates work very well for me lol, but it sucks knowing that so many people don't think I'm worth it because of my scores.  

So I've decided I would like to have more reviews, although honestly, I don't know how important they are other than to verify that I'm real. I've been participating more on the boards, I'm even attending my first Meet and Greet in Atlanta. I mention how sweet it would be to receive a review on my website. So I'm hoping the reviews will come.. if not, well, I think that's ok too :)

You can always ask a gent who you have a great connection with and who you would feel comfortable putting yourself out there by asking! I had a similar experience in that I was very busy with massage but just very few people cared to submit reviews. Ah well, I see a lot of great insight on this thread so I hope it helps you too! PS I love Atlanta, used to live there - always glad to meet another ATLien!

I have asked, although it's pretty seldom that I do honestly because I don't usually think about it. I think most of the men that I meet aren't TER regulars, and my scores prevent TER reviewers from contacting me, so I'm in a bit of a pickle as far as gaining reviews goes lol.

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"Thanks so much for seeing me, and if you had a good time, I do appreciate reviews on TER!"  And flash a beautiful smile.  :o)
But if you want to increase your average performace rating, you might only want the GFE reviews at this point, and not more massage reviews, so take this account too when deciding who to mention reviews to

...about gfe so guys looking to see you for gfe shouldn't have any problem figuring out that you've made a change. I hope you're making it known through your marketing that you've changed your offerings. You might consider contacting TER to have your profile updated to reflect your change in service provided. It might be best to do this after you get your first gfe review.

It used to just say massage, now it says escort/massage. It still says no to bj, which was accurate before,though it's inaccurate now. I figure I'll ask them to change that after I get a review that confirms it.

Naw girl, change everything about your menu now so it reflects what you have available. Put ads up on your ATL board and explain "I am so happy to be getting into GFE!" - No need to self depricate! You are worthy.

With more reviews, I can almost assure you that you appearance score will go up.
Wow, just wow...

Are you prices too high?  Not if your schedule is full with guys paying those rates (though most are just a bit over my budget for the various services).

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They work great for me :) and although I suppose there are lots of gentleman that I won't get the opportunity to meet, luckily there are plenty that I have the pleasure of meeting and enjoying.
I do think my rates also explain my lack of reviews, most TER reviewers expect a certain score and number of reviews before they're willing to shell out 400/hr, and I totally get that. I think I'd want quite a bit of reassurance as well if I was paying that much for something.

...as the massage reviews really do pull down the average.  And getting the profile fixed re BJ vs CBJ should help too.
Sounds like you are doing all the right things to increase your visibility.
But you also might want to add eye exams as a service too, because some of your gentlemen friends clearly are having problems with their vision!  :o)

...then my interest is not diminished at all before starting to read reviews.

If the ave is betwen 7-8, then I want to understand why it's a little low.  Reviews for massage services would certainly quickly explain that.  I also look at the review history of guys who scored on the low side.

If the average is UNDER 7, then I might just move on if it's based on a large number of reviews.  But if I really liked her photos, etc., and her ave was based on a small number of reviews then I'll read them and look at the reviewers' histories.

Reading reviews is criitical - but the summary opinion of all other guys, as expressed in her ave score, certainly is a valid indicator of service too, especially in the lower end of scores.  In the 8-10 range I don't think the difference means nearly as much though, as service will be fairly reliably good in this range, so it becomes more a matter of fit for more specific things and personality, gleaned from reading reviews.

I most closely relate to MZ's sentiment above.  I can tell you as somewhat of a newbie, I have read hundreds of reviews in the past 30-40 days.  Here are some random thoughts that come to mind when I'm researching via reviews:

Guys are shitty at writing these things, me included.  They tell me what I need to know from a safety standpoint and that's most important, but I can't tell you how many times I've been reading a review and I roll my eyes at the way we write this crap.  I sometimes find myself judging the author more than the providers who the review is about.  The story is always the same...  Met with a kiss, clothes came off, bbbj, had to stop her before I popped, on goes the hat, (insert alphabet positions here), (insert I had to have her in my favorite position here), I blew my load in the bag 5 mins later cleaned up hugged, and was outta there.  Occasionally I run into guys I can just tell know how to have a good time fucking AND write a hot review.  Instead of rolling my eyes reading about "Mr. Happy", I get a hard on.  Those reviews are gold but I digress.

More current reviews carry more weight than older ones.  For some girls, if you read from the beginning, you can really get a feel for her evolution in the business over time.

Consistency from review to review is important.  It helps paint a picture of her personality.

I always like to check out the "outliers" first, but I generally throw those out from an "analysis" standpoint.   What I mean here is if for example a girl has consistent 8/8's with a 9 and a 7 here and there and then there's one 10/10 and one 6/5, I read those first to see what they say and then I throw them out and read the rest to get a better picture.  

Kind of like what I said above, right or wrong, I 'll often assume something was going on with the dude giving the unusually low score that put the provider off her usual game (hygiene, attitude, awkwardness, etc.).  Also, right or wrong, I'll assume the one guy who gives a consistent 7-8 girl a 10/10 was basically a virgin who hasn't had much quality pussy in his life.

For the A game girls with lots of 10/10's, 9/10's, 9/9's, etc., I'm just looking to weed through all the mundane shit to see if I can find something that might set her apart for me from the other A game providers at that price level (something like she likes greek, has a little dirty streak, something unusual).

Anyway, sorry for the dissertation folks, but these are just some of the thought's that run through me after having read lots and lots of reviews lately.

Base on the fact that, individual experience differ. Never read the detail either. Mainly look at reviews to decide whether someone is legit or not and that’s about it.
That being said, many are stuck on the numbers game!

everything! They let me know if the lady is who she says she is, if she is honest, if drama seems to follow her, if she allows activities that make me happy, if she shows up on time, if she shows up at all, her professionalism, and many other things. This is the one single place that let's me decide quickly, whether to move on or send an intro.  

However, I have to admit that I'm fairly new here. One of the things that is learned over time is about the gentlemen who write them, and the numbers they give. After careful study, one knows which gentlemen to trust. One also figures out with which gentlemen one has commonalities. After even more time, one reaches out to those gentlemen with commonalities. Once a rapport is established, one can expand on the details of any given review. It's quite a little science. We don't just wake up with a hard on, and call the first lady available. Well, some of us don't.

Man, I can't believe that you have to look for confirmation that someone will actually show up at all! Sad city. I mean, I know that happens - I just can't believe it! I am glad we have reviews for those very basic reasons you described and I am glad at least some see it as a social science worthy of careful study :)

and also it is very important to look at the reviewer's history to see if he is a very strict or lenient reviewer.

I'm much more interested in reading about how the session went and if there were problems, what the cause of the problem was.  Often the reviewer unknowingly reveals himself to be the problem because he had some agenda that was not in line with the provider and which I would not be interested in.

I often see massage gals who by TER rules can not get more than a 7, but their overall performance in terms of my enjoyment often makes them a 9 or even a 10 in my estimation.

I am fairly sure I was one of the type of massage girls you describe - which is why I bounced easily to higher performance ratings. I mean, fun was had. :)  

On another note, I totally agree re:agendas ruining things. I have found that my worst scores have come from people with either the wrong idea about who I was or a specific expectation of what they would get to "do" with me. Expectations tend to get in the way of sensuality in general in my opinion though and are limiting to the "free-ness" that supports real mind blowing erotic experiences (imho). So even when that happens, I have learned to take those ratings with a grain of salt as it's almost always a case of a poorly matched pair. I am glad to know others can see that, too.

not too important to me either, at least as far as the dirty details go. I rely heavily on her personal website, which is where I hope to gather the most info about her-photos, clientele info, latest prices, etc.

None of us is likely to get all the information we want about a potential partner before hooking up. And I think most adults recognize this. But you try to get as much as you reasonably can.  And yes the scores may be one (albeit small) piece of the  total information you find helpful.  

And even that is an elastic concept.  I suspect the vast majority of clients simply won't even read the text of reviews for a provider who has a raft of 4s; I  know I  wouldn't bother whereas others might see a negotiating opportunity.  However I know that on occasion I've read a few such reviews for the entertainment value or (if the lady's pics were inviting) just to understand whether it was a bait and switch or something else.   But if she had lots of 7s and 8s or higher and one or two 5s I  might dig further.  I have also found  myself passing over ladies who have 3 pages of all 10s (although not that often ).  And over the last couple of years I've found that I  have gotten so discriminating that I  won't even read reviews if the scores average below 7.5 over a reasonably robust sample size.

All of which is to say that the scores matter but not always in the ways we think.  Just like on Yelp you might read further to better understand the basis for the number of stars if it's a place you really want to try. But if you had only a passing interests a bunch of one star ratings might be enough for you to not look any closer.  

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People can make numbers mean anything. It is my opinion that it is naive to interpret numbers alone without context. I thought there was a lot more blind number-reading going on around here but I am so glad to see that's not really the case. Yeah for nuance and curiosity!

They are drama magnets tainted beyond the point of meaning anything. I read the review it's self. I still take even the text with a grain of salt, unless I know the reviewer is a straight shooter.

Sonja,

I wanted to see you here and there in your massage days, often with V, but I just procrastinated too much, was too busy, too lazy, or whatever. Now I'm just too poor lol. Even though several friends recommend the new GFE-Sonja highly, unfortunately a few other ladies are ahead of you on my ever changing list.

Re your questions, I read the reviews and often PM anyone I know who has seen the lady in question as well as some recent reviewers. The #s themselves are not a factor for me except in rare instances. I do have to like at least one picture of her somewhere. Could just be a smile, hair, or even her clothes so it goes way beyond her breast size lol.

Honestly, I really liked what Master Zen said and I'm just repeating things already said.

Hope to see you #1 on my list with all the stars aligned one day:-)

Posted By: SonjaDarling
When I was a massage provider, I barely paid attention to my TER reviews and was not very aware of their impact on my success. Still, I felt I got pretty good reviews at the time and I had steady clientele and was not too concerned about it. When I came back and began offering GFE, I did more research and realized quickly the impact reviews and ratings may have on one's interest in meeting me. I swore I would not get caught up in the numbers of it all... but, there is so much underlying emphasis! It has me wondering...  
   
 ... When you are searching for a new provider to meet, how do you interpret her review history? For example, my "average" #s appear much lower than the ratings I've been receiving since I became GFE, because the massage scores are by definition lower. I guess I'm curious to know what kind of impact this has on those searching.  
   
 I am not in need of reassurance - only curious to understand how all of this gets interpreted from the other side!  
   
 xo  
 Sonja

This was all very helpful for me and I am sure many others! I hear you, and I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. I have not wanted to worry too much about it and I'm glad I haven't. I will however be working on an actual website as a result of this thread - I have not done so yet because I'm getting by fine without it but dang if that wouldn't attract all the thoughtful gents and help us match to each other even more perfectly.  

Have a great weekend!  

xo
Sonja

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