I just read something about North Dakota stating that the jobs were crazy good their money was paid really well there but there weren't very many nurses female anything their teachers anything Lala dadaooto… If you know what I mean. Is this real I'm not sure what to think is this an Indian reservation something I don't know y'all tell me something here I'm supposed to learn don't know what it is love always
But I'm having a lil trouble understanding you.
Perhaps Mr. Clammy Clam can mosey on in and translate lol.
I have a feeling he understands your post perfectly LOL
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...to spend it on. They're living in "man camps." Get on the first plane to ND.
thank you for posting that that is what I was talking about I just know how sensitive this board is some extra careful I get knocked off a lot for same thing so I'm extra extra careful glad you guys were some and you smarter guys understood in general what was being said North Dakota just about all there is. Then else to talk about so I was wondering if anybody had any experience with going there or talking to someone who had been there this sounds like a neat place
It covers many issues related to the so=called oil boon in ND.`
Yes, I have a friend that lives close and he warned me about the bad out there and was willing to set me up with his friend that had good ties to the community. I really would have liked to go but dealing with roughnecks, especially with my niche service, I think it probably would have seen me in situations I didn't want. The thing most people don't realize is when everyone wants to go to a small town resources are strained and over priced. An apartment was easily 1500, if you could find one! My biggest fear was the crime, that kind of work brings out some really hard workers but also was attracting a lot of criminals. It's sad but there's no easy life when too many hands wanna be in the pot!
If you follow oil & gold, you'll be drenched in both! Just be careful, you are hot enough to melt gold and set the oil fields ablaze!
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I wouldn't live in North Dakota no matter how good the pay was.
I have a friend who runs a retail store in Billings, MT. That's the closest "city" to some of the biggest fracking fields. Friday nights the guys come to the city to buy stuff, including women. A lot of these guys are in their 20's and making six figures with overtime.
The break even point for fracking is about $70 a barrel, and oil has now dipped below $50 a barrel, so the boom times in ND may take a rest for a bit.
Wanna bet a guy could get some TER 8's for $150? ;
BPS iz the basterd sun of GaG and 1 of Woo'z pigz.
and as long as it's not an old ugly pig.......
with oil prices dropping the oil rush may have withered like a post BJ cock.
Think Alaska during the pipeline construction or San Francisco or Reno in the 1800s. Lots of money and a crazy economy. Rents are going through the roof.
Not enough hotels, apartments, mobile home parks... Guys were sleeping in tents and in cars in the ND winter to make double and triple what oil jobs were back home
This article highlights one of the cottage industries that sprung up with the influx of cash-rich, lonely oilers
This might give you an idea:
"... Lockerby said prostitutes caught today still can be charged with breaking the law, but their sentences can be suspended or deferred if they provide information leading to the arrest of pimps..."
What this means is that the LE and NGO Industrial Complex are trying to bribe the prostitutes into inventing and exaggerating "trafficking" which is the flavor du jour at this moment.
"... Still, the task force has only prosecuted about two cases of sex trafficking per year since forming."
In spite of above "bribing" the REAL problem of trafficking is still ridiculously and exceedingly rare.
No surprise really. The afore-mentioned parasites of taxpayer's money have been beating this "trafficking" drum all over the country with FEW evidences that it is a real problem that all of us should give a crap about
First off to let me try to eplain some things....Billings the closest city? I guess depends upon one's description of "city". Although Fargo is about 3 hours away. Population of Fargo metro...about 200,000. Next, the reported barrel price of oil that would be make or break is somewhere around $30. Fracking makes it cheaper since a well is drawing from a much larger area than normal wells. The job market is stabilizing, will actually decrease somewhat due to the better efficiencies of the better workers. Basically, the companies will weed out the worst workers and not replace them. The oil boom is going nowhere. Companies will continue to pump, ND has a weak presence of unions, an oversight government that is flexible.
The hobby situation is another story. Yes, there are a lot of younger men with a lot of untapped cash. Main provider ads are through BP....plenty of scams. Some legit providers, mainly from the west(Seattle, Portland, Vegas) have been here for 2-3 years. It's not for everyone. Not much to do in one's off time. Smaller towns means greater exposure. To be discrete, a low-profile must be kept. My guess would be that a legit provider could make PLENTY in a years time and possibly quit. It would be a lonely year, though. As some has said....it can be a rough crowd also. Reported gun runners, drug smuggling, and west coast gangs have infiltrated the area.
I live in eastern ND...Thank God.
At thirty bucks those towns in ND will most definitely turn into ghost towns.
now where it comes to the hobby, we do agree. Just like most boom towns, before and since, a hooker can make a LOT of money, as can anyone else selling virtually anything that the workers want, whether that be booze, gambling, sex or even a decent meal.
On last thing. Fracking does not make it "cheaper" in the case of shale formations, fracking makes it "possible" to produce these "tight" formations, it is still a very expensive process and can only be justified with relatively high oil prices. The exact figure is subject to debate as an operator needs to make a profit over and above the costs of operations to ever get a return on investment, or he is working for free. After all, somebody has to pay the millions of dollars it costs to drill just one single well up there.
which as someone who calculates the break even points for oil development for a living, I find their numbers rather suspect, but stipulating to their numbers, I still maintain that extended $30 oil would turn these boom towns into ghost towns.
Yes, much of this high priced oil will still flow out of the ground, but without substantial new drilling the need for workers will slow to a trickle, with only the need for pumpers and service personnel, and no need for rig crews, frack crews, logging crews, etc. You can maintain existing production with less than 10% of the existing work force in ND.
The good news is as production falls off, prices will recover and we can start the cycle all over again. Aint the free market great? lol
We can agree...or not. One question I do have though is this. Your definition of a "ghost town" is? Personally, I wouldn't mind going back to 10 years ago. A few things to consider. Western ND is and has been a sportsman paradise. A lot of that is gone. Open roads, fresh air, friendly people, a hotel room always waiting for you. Not so much anymore. It's a shame. But the idea of these towns being ghost towns? Maybe the locals could once again afford living again. Financially, ND was fine without oil money. 70% of our economy is AG related. I'm not here to argue about economics nor our differences on opinion on this subject...at least not here. This is a fuck board afterall and I think we all would get bored. I appreciate your input.
but they would by and large go back to the way they were before the oil boom, and from a hooker point of view, they would be in fact ghost towns.
Just out of curiosity I looked at the BP ads for ND. Would you agree that there wouldn't be one tenth of the number of ads if the oil boom were to dry up?
I can remember back in, I think, '08. Had a meeting in Minot. Looked at the BP ads and found 3 ads. So yes, by hobby reasoning these towns would be ghost towns. Williston would probably still have a sizeable population of providers. Your logic of these towns being provider ghost towns...Agreed. Although, it would bring some back over to the Fargo area. A benefit for me. I guess my thought process was more financially related. Many people don't understand but ND doesn't NEED oil money. A lot of the revenue gets put into a rainy day fund. We don't even touch it. ND has been in the black for years. Lately, spending has greatly increased for services in the western part. Infrastructure costs have boomed.
As a native ND....I would welcome the good ol'days. To each their own.
They raise the prices of basic necessities, increase crime and typically ruin the quality of life for the locals.
I don't blame you for wishing the whole oil boom up their never happened. It is similar in many communities throughout Texas, even though I am in the oil business, I have ZERO desire to follow any of these so called booms.
...it is the only state in the country that has a state-owned bank.
Yes, the DMR says all is good above $30 a barrel, but have you ever seen a government agency get their estimates about anything correct? I am with GaG, at $30 a barrel there will be no drilling going on up there, zero.
Lets use the hobby as an example, most of us are pretty well versed in how prostitution works in this country.
Now ask yourself this question, How often do you see an article about the hobby that jives with your own personal experience?
The defense rests. lol
oil industry were making $8-12k per month with housing about $4k per month.BUT the house they showed was basically a plywood box with framed plywood walls.
If you're lucky enough to get a house...many of the oil workers stay in hotels, which charge around $599/week (and that's just in Dickinson...larger cities, hotels charge more).
Hm... which begs the question: are these dudes so dense they can't figure out that they can simply bring along a camper or mobile home so as to be able to live cheaply?
YES, Yes they are ...
So everyone is only talking about money in the oil field but there is a lot of other money in the state. Working in the coal industry I make $34/h. Top wage at our mine is $37/h. Top wage at the neighboring mine is $43/h. Top wage at the coal Power plants is also in the $40/h With a little overtime that can get into the 6 figures. My roommate works at a mine and farms with his dad. He takes home well over 150k a year. and hes a small farm. I know that these are not Huge numbers but its a great living. And as someone mentioned its pretty easy to find a job flipping burgers for over $10/h
Housing is expensive especially in the oil patch. My recommendation is stay away from there anyway. Bismarck and Fargo are much better places than anything out west. Oil brought money but the increase in crime and violence is sure not worth it.
As always that is just my 2 cents.
If anyone has any ND based questions for someone born and raised here shoot me a message
Check out Episode 6. It is a great piece; actually all his podcasts are really well researched and produced.