It still comes down to a few basic things. Looks, location, services offer and price point.
I agree with the post about expensive shoes and clothing, I gotta think that, other then the guys that need ladies dressed a certain way to get excited, (they should pay for the clothing fetish on top of the regular rate) most guy would be perfectly happy if their "date" answered the door naked. Happened to me once, I think she forgot her "work" clothes. It left little doubt (not that I had any) I was going have a good time.Obviously, places like TER and the internet have had a massive impact on both sides of the escorting equation.
I think equally as obvious is the fact that it has driven up entry level prices overall (much more than inflation etc).
In most markets the entry level independent gets $300 an hour regardless of age and appearance.
That is a rate many many many escorts could not have charged before the internet.
My question is, what has happened to the price ceiling? Is it high/lower/same same post internet and TER?
... a price ceiling.
it's up to the ladies to charge whatever they want.
it's up to the "marketplace" to accept the requested rate.
if no one responds to the lady, then she needs to adjust her rates accordingly
He is kind of middle of the road for a moron.
That way you won't be disappointed so often. Sort of like how we learn that just because a woman has a string of nothing but 9's and 10's doesn't guarantee she will be a hottie by your standards.
Seems like a reasonable comment to me. The ladies should charge what ever the market will bear but if she is not delivering vip services then she should charge accordingly
because you were simply summarizing "price-elasticity", a component of the LAW of Supply and Demand.
it seems to me that YOU are not the stupid one.
it is all about what the market will bear.
Ayn Rand (although largely correct) is a fiction writer, not an economist. Look to Hayek for for a reputable source
-- Modified on 2/19/2015 8:56:11 PM
yes, your observation is quite correct, the girls in the backwoods, are going to charged what the ladies in big cities post for a rate. is just like every other commodity out there, the price keeps creeping up, the value diminishes and quantities diminish. big players that have lots of money to throw around will say this isn't true. I bet you 50 percnt of us fellows will agree.
can't wait to hear from the ladies on the observation.
Maybe TER has contributed to the escalating fees.
But for those of us who hobbied BT [ before TER] it is well worth it.
Prior to review boards , risk was a major factor.
1 Rip offs- you knew it was gonna happen on occasion. It was the price of being in the hobby.
2 Stings-always a worry
3-Service-gfe was rare
4-Bait & switch-common
TER has brought a genuine value added component to the hobby. Plus it has created an interesting not so underground community.
And just as impotantly review sites have contributed to a safer working environment for the ladies.
I've not had a bad experience or disappointment in years. Thus, more than happy to be paying a few extra buck for my adult entertainment.
If anyone gets ripped off , beat up, or is a victim of poor performance these days it is pretty much their fault.
-- Modified on 2/19/2015 8:01:40 AM
What else are you looking for here? If some guys are willing to pay $1000 an hr, but not one penny more? That's the ceiling.
Suffice to say, the majority of clients are not in a position to be paying $1000 an hr, for anything. But even the small minority of clients for whom $1000 hr is less than an after-thought, may still have a ceiling.
Which is to say: An escort markets herself to the type of clients she would like to attract. The ceiling is determined by her targeted clients.
How were the pre-internet X dollars distributed within the industry vs How are the X(Y) dollars being distributed now?
First: There is no NEW differentiation between “dudes who were too scared to pick up a streetwalker and without the funds to hire a super-high end escort... “ These dudes still exist. In fact, that’s probably the majority.
How were the pre-internet X dollars distributed within the industry vs How are the X(Y) dollars being distributed now?
Who the hell knows? But, obviously, a significantly increasing number of providers are advertising to clients from the Internet. There are also many who don’t have the means to advertise this way. There is no reliable data available on this.
But, your OP was about how much providers rates have increased since the shift to advertising on the Inet. I think that’s been answered.
Not by much. If, at all.
The way I read, is that there is a new market that didn't exist before the internet. There was an entire band of men that wouldn't seek out providers because they where 1. to afraid to pick up a streetwalk and 2. couldn't afford the high end escorts that they saw advertising. This "band" of guys now has access to many more ladies and at a price point that they can afford. So the ladies that may fall in the 100-500 dollar range get a lot more business. That additional business draws more ladies to the game because there is far more money available overall and a safer easier system to connect with the providers.
Yes those guys still exist. They will always exist. Yes there are guys that don't use the internet or can't and remain on the sidelines out of fear or a lack of access or they may not have the 100 dollars (if they can find ladies for that price). If TER and similar sites where better known to the general population, there would be far more money in the market. From a guys stand point the less cash in the market is better. If there where an million additional guys looking for providers, providers would be able to command more $$ for their services. Though, if there is a huge demand and prices rise, more providers enter the business which would again push the prices back down to some degree.
Yes, you are right, the majority of guys won't pick up a streetwalk and can't afford the high end escorts but there is a huge area in the middle that is now filled via the internet. There are a lot more options these days both for guys to seek "love" and for ladies to market themselves to less then high end guys.
-- Modified on 2/20/2015 1:36:57 PM
Never mind me. I am late to the party & jumped to an erroneous conclusion...the story of my life.
-- Modified on 2/19/2015 8:10:53 PM
those who charges very high prices almost never advertise or take part in discussion and the most expensive do not even allow reviews so I do not think TER matter on what they charge
Seriously, I want to know.... because if it is, then perhaps I need to give myself a raise. I'd hate to think I'm undervaluing myself. It wasn't my intention to be a Bargain-Basement-Betty and I certainly don't want anyone to think that if my rates are too low, I must be a scam, or upcharging, or worse.
Hmmmmmm..... time for me to do some research.
xox
LOL...checked out your website to see and based on your pics I was going to say yes..raise them..but at the bottom of the rates page, it seems prices are going up!
Hmmmmmm..... time for me to do some research.
xoxo
Rates have remained pretty flat for ladies already active in the business, despite nasty cost of living increases - at least here in the Big Apple. I, for one, haven't raised my rates in 10 years. Now, some might say that my value decreases as my age increases, but standard rates have been pretty much static - at least in my "category" - since the heyday before the stock market crash. (Remember those days?!
What did TER?Internet do to the ceiling/Luxury rates?
I am afraid that if I do, my corporate clients will start looking elsewhere, because these days, they are always looking to trim costs. Funny thing is that if you look at the government statistics, inflation is not too bad but we know from real world experience that it is pretty bad. We are all getting screwed over.
I am hardly a penny pincher, and I spend a LOT of money quite foolishly without a second thought, but even I notice how expensive things have gotten.
Every once in a while something will just jump out at me and I have to thing to myself WTF???!!! I was in the grocery store the other day and I wanted to buy some oxtails to go into a soup I was making, Oxtails are one very small step up from stew meat and they were $6.99 a fucking pound. I couldn't believe my eyes. Yes, inflation is alive and well in this country, that's for sure.
Girls with your reviews, in their mid 20's to early/mid 30's, are getting a minimum of $500-$600/hr and actually, many of them have moved beyond that in the last two years or so.
But rates are also a product of how much someone needs the money and how much they want to work.
Women at your price point and age bracket sometimes are scared to test the waters at a higher rate. I get that. If you are happy with your income and number of dates, no need to make any changes.
But in those age groups beneath you, I can tell you first hand there has been a considerable spike in pricing in the last 10 years, in some cases, well over 100% increase.
There is an "elite" (aka well-marketed) segment of the population of ladies who market themselves (or are marketed by others) to gents who want to pay $600+ an hour. I have had the pleasure (sometimes more pleasurable than others!) to play with a number of these ladies, and I am aware of that niche in the industry.
Where I disagree is your statement that "rates are also a product of how much someone needs the money and how much they want to work.". Rates are largely set by the market. For instance, if I dropped my currently category-appropriate rate to $300/hr, this would imply that I have become damaged goods in some way, or desperate for money - perhaps a drug habit? (You know how rumors start around here.) Likewise, when I raise the rate to $500/hr in order to cover hotel incall costs, folks start getting a little uncomfortable and asking for concessions. In that way, the rate is kind of preset.
Sure, I could create a website promoting myself as an "elite companion" complete with a bio and photographs of me on an airplane draped in furs - but, frankly, I would feel completely ridiculous! I'll just go with the flow and just enjoy the amazing opportunities that this business has afforded me for all of these years
early 30's for a while now.
Nothing wrong with an experienced MILF who knows how to please.
I was well aware that Mimi was over 40 and that is why I emphasized "in your category" i.e. older than the younger girls i referenced. Go read it again bro.
Notice she didnt correct me because she knew what i was saying. 
There are a variety of hobby opportunities out there. You could take a drive down 'that street' or visit a bar - or maybe a casino, or you could go on the internet to many sites and get a huge range in price and quality.
My overhead has increased about 25% in two years. My rate hasn't changed. ( I think I need a raise, too.)
Basically, yes, the whole nature of the game has grown and expanded over the years because of the internet. However, the cost of doing business and supporting ones self has increased, as well.
proposing regulation and government subsidies for hobbyists? lol
I think price elasticity of demand works just fine.
My opinion is that while there is some small demand for luxury gals (Veblen goods?), the majority of the demand is pretty elastic. Consider the constant stream of new entrants willing to undercut prices and the fact that it is a luxury to play, not truly a necessity. Add what I presume is a relatively fixed (and illicit in many cases) hobby budget for most, and the demand becomes very sensitive to small price changes as hobbyists search out substitutes to maximize value within that fixed budget.
As for inflationary pressures... I'm sure they are there. The thing is, they apply to both the hobbyists (reducing disposable income) and providers (reducing margins). While providers can increase prices in response to inflationary pressures, hobby budgets are much less easily changed, and demand decreases.
I think in this market, demand and prices can both increase only as hobby budgets increase... a reflection of larger economic health and not merely provider profit maximization.
Still not an economist, and I didn't stay at Holiday Inn Express either - so I may be full of shit.
What were the going rates back in the print ad era? I assume that they differed by region back then as well, right? I doubt one could ever ask for the same rate in Fargo that they could in NYC just because of the difference in cost of living.
I'll take a guess at this anyway and say that it likely has to do primarily with the increase in the amount of time and money invested in advertising and general business expenses. I've heard that there was less screening back in the day, for example (which eats up a sizable chunk of time and money in and of itself). Also with the advent of the review system, more is expected of the ladies and therefore, more time/money is invested in order to stay competitive. It's probably riskier nowadays as well (increased exposure, increased LE focus, etc) which could also factor into cost. Oh and since we can now view our competition more easily, we can figure out what similar ladies can potentially make and raise our rates accordingly. I mean, if I see that chicks in my area are able to get $500/hr, I'm not going to keep charging $300, ya know?
How the vast increase in revenue generated by the industry post internet/TER has been allocated amongst the escorts...
And also, how the demographics of escorts and Johns has changed as well..
I'd be willing to bet that without the added reassurance of reviews, a lot of guys would be too afraid to dabble. That's just a supply/demand thing.
As far as allocation of revenue, I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean by that. I guess in terms of the increase in demand, that's really determined by the clients themselves. You guys want three things, right? Hot, discreet, and capable of providing a good time, yes yes?
I can't speak to the demographics, though. My guess is that it probably hasn't changed much. There's just more of each.
And also, how the demographics of escorts and Johns has changed as well...
How were the pre-internet X dollars distributed within the industry vs How are the X(Y) dollars being distributed now?
For example, pre-internet there was an entire class of prostitute that hardly exists today: streetwalkers. And there has been a HUGE increase in the "hooker middle-class" or independent provider...
I think the old Y rate is divided between the BP ladies who took the place of streetwalkers and the super-high end escorts. I think their clientele has remained constant and the prices have seen little increase compared to inflation.
I think the difference between Y and X(Y) goes to the "middle class hookers" and flows from a new class of John. Specifically, those dudes who were too scared to pick up a streetwalker and without the funds to hire a super-high end escort..
I understand what you mean about charging what your competition charges, that seems fair/reasonable/smart. So when you see someone in your area charge more, what is it that makes you decide you should charge that much too? Your looks comparatively? Your style? Just curious how you make that evaluation. Is that tmi?
Post-post edit:
After further review, I can see what a dumb question this is. It's like asking a lawyer or a doctor why they change their rates...same fucking reason....because they can, now that other people are. I just wonder about the person who would like to, but knows maybe their law degree is from the University of Toronto Online and maybe that's gonna be a problem....(if ya know what I mean wink wink).
Too wizard-of-ozzy a question. Carry on.
-- Modified on 2/19/2015 1:25:11 PM
(Keep in mind that I live in a region in which the market isn't particularly saturated.)
If a lady in my market is equal in terms of looks, reputation, etc, yet charges significantly more than I do (assuming that she's able to sustain those rates for a substantial amount of time), then I'm going to have to reevaluate my rates and determine whether or not I can sustain the volume I desire with such an increase.
That said, it's largely a "because I can" thing, like you said. The inverse works as well. If a lady moves to my area, looks like Britney Spears circa 2002, does everything plus buttsecks, has kickass reviews, and only charges $200/hr, I have to reevaluate my shit. Luckily for me, I don't see that happening anytime soon. Fingers crossed.
Post-post edit:
After further review, I can see what a dumb question this is. It's like asking a lawyer or a doctor why they change their rates...same fucking reason....because they can, now that other people are. I just wonder about the person who would like to, but knows maybe their law degree is from the University of Toronto Online and maybe that's gonna be a problem....(if ya know what I mean wink wink).
Too wizard-of-ozzy a question. Carry on.
-- Modified on 2/19/2015 1:25:11 PM
Bwahaa!! back at ya!! "Buttsecks"!!! That made ME laugh out loud!!
Isn't Miss TER, twice, worthy of an extra sumpin sumpin??
The bidness end of this is really interesting to me....learn something new all of the time.
If a lady in my market is equal in terms of looks, reputation, etc, yet charges significantly more than I do (assuming that she's able to sustain those rates for a substantial amount of time), then I'm going to have to reevaluate my rates and determine whether or not I can sustain the volume I desire with such an increase.
That said, it's largely a "because I can" thing, like you said. The inverse works as well. If a lady moves to my area, looks like Britney Spears circa 2002, does everything plus buttsecks, has kickass reviews, and only charges $200/hr, I have to reevaluate my shit. Luckily for me, I don't see that happening anytime soon. Fingers crossed.
Post-post edit:
After further review, I can see what a dumb question this is. It's like asking a lawyer or a doctor why they change their rates...same fucking reason....because they can, now that other people are. I just wonder about the person who would like to, but knows maybe their law degree is from the University of Toronto Online and maybe that's gonna be a problem....(if ya know what I mean wink wink).
Too wizard-of-ozzy a question. Carry on.
-- Modified on 2/19/2015 1:25:11 PM
When I started in 2004, the online thing had just started, but many still used the ad in the paper. The going rate where I'm from then was $125/hr, BUT it was only an "arrival fee"....everything else was extra. So actually, we made MORE back then, as most appointments would yield $300-$500/hr. But, with the Internet ads becoming the norm, along with reviews, the "upselling" became a "no-no" , and flat rates became more popular.
I see a few comments on here about no need for regular pics, or a nicer wardrobe etc. The reality is there is a new lady on the scene at least weekly. Yes guys like reviews to know what their getting, and sticking w the same or same few ladies they know they are safe with, but on the other hand w a fixed budget a better deal is always nice, and something new can be fun. I find most of the time there is a reason for the cheap price and the guy goes back to the slightly higher priced girl, but you have to give him a reason. Are you going to pay more for a girl staying in motel 6, wearing Walmart clothes? Do you not find the new pics a nice bonus turn on? Don't you appreciate the regular wardrobe changes? And having a clean safe place to go?
In an industry that focuses a lot on looks there is hair, nails, tanning, gym, etc depending on what your market is.
To me its about balance, I don't need $500+ shoes, but I am going to spend around 100, I don't need to stay at a 5star hotel, but its going to be at least 3. I try to keep mist of my marketing free w tactical splurges. You can find ways to save money like doing a mix of pro and amateur pics, or shop on eBay, learn web design or use a free program rather then the ridiculous monthly fees, but when it comes down to it there are needed expenses.
When I first went independent I had no reviews and no one really knew me, of course I couldn't charge top dollar. I also take care of myself, I am well educated (just don't judge by my spelling and grammar! Haha), presentable and decently attractive so I was able to get a slightly higher rate then most entry level girls (which in my small town is no where near 300!) As I got reviews and established myself I raised my rate (because I'm worth it! Lol) I have managed to keep all my clients at whatever rate they started with. If my expences go significantly up I will start going up a little bit on the people w the lowest rates.
There are other women in my town that me and them both seem to be on peoples want to see list who charge significantly more then me. I'm happy with what I'm making, I love what I do so I like that it gets me more business, it allows people to see me more often or keep some money for other things. If I can make my clients life a little easier and fulfill my needs everyone wins.
Not everyone in this business is out to squeeze every penny they can. We do need to make a living though and we all have different needs. The reality is its you guys that set the rates. If she's not worth it, don't pay it, if you think she's worth more letting her know every now and then can go a long way.
-- Modified on 2/19/2015 4:36:41 PM
If we go back to ancient times—-say 1995—-and let’s say an escort (assuming someone relatively equal in services to the contemporary “GFE” provider) charged $150 hr and pulled clients through traditional print ads. For that $150 to be equal to today's dollars she would need to be charging $233 hr, today.
Yes, an avg hrly rate seems hang around $300 (variable by region/experience, etc…) which would be a $67 increase over 1995. But that $67 now has to cover maintaining a web site + regular professional photo-shoots, if she wants to stay competitive. And, everything cost more—-from advertising to hotels to gym memberships to gas to a mani/pedi to lingerie……you have any idea how much 1 bra costs?…lol…
If anything, at $300 an hr today, she could be making less actual money than she would have in 1995. Pretty much like the rest of us
GaG, our work is almost done!
Remember turning H+T onto the darkside? I agree our work is almost done with TT as well.
As for HP, she's always been not only a bitch, but a man hating bitch, and that's just one of the things I like about her. Plus anyone that can piss off the "professional hobbyists" is ok in my book
awe...TY. Taking a break from trouble? You may have noticed how much my opinions aggravate professional hobby dudes...lol...
Congrats on the TER nomination, BTW. You are smart one. Funny, hawt, smart....
Did I say smart....I love smart 
while at the same time, hookers probably make less money in "real" dollars, just like everyone else. Sucks, doesn't it?
Inflation has raised the price of everything, including the price of pussy, AND all the things that go into supporting a hookers business. So from the hookers side, while her top line has gone up, and she is most likely grossing more money, her real earnings most likely has gone down. Just like you say.
Now if you look at it from the John side of the equation, he most likely is earning much the same as he did several years ago as there has been almost zero "wage inflation", but he is paying a higher hourly rate to see the same "quality hooker" that he did back several years ago.
It looks like this is one of those times when both sides are right. The guys are paying more, while the ladies are making less. Welcome to the 21 century. Thank God I don't have a job, or I would be downright pissed about this lol
but the kind of suckage that comes from having a job for years without any meaningful raise/s is not the good kind of suckage.
But, yes..... a 7-8% wage increase over 20 years, in ANY industry, which has been (probably more than) absorbed by updated industry requirements needed to continue being competitive, is nothing for anyone to get excited over
It still comes down to a few basic things. Looks, location, services offer and price point.
I agree with the post about expensive shoes and clothing, I gotta think that, other then the guys that need ladies dressed a certain way to get excited, (they should pay for the clothing fetish on top of the regular rate) most guy would be perfectly happy if their "date" answered the door naked.
Happened to me once, I think she forgot her "work" clothes. It left little doubt (not that I had any) I was going have a good time.
It's a PRICE. "Looks, location, services offer[ed] and price." (Sorry, pet peeve.)
Inflation.
The internet and TER isn't to blame. It's called its the year 2015. Nothing to figure out. Can you buy a gallon of gas, or milk, a home, a car, hell, even a drink at the bar for the same as 20 years ago? 10? 5? Nope.
Same goes for the ladies of the night I'm afraid
You are wasting brain cells if you try to even remotely rationalize it. So don't. This is one business you can't. We will charge what we charge when we charge it. You either buy it or you don't. It's that simple.
How about you use those brain cells to cure world hunger. That sounds much more beneficial in working towards the future, dont ya think?
xx kisse
Gasoline has bounced quite a bit over the past 10 years. Frankly it's at a low now (comparable to 2005 prices)!
And housing...many areas are still in the 1999-2000 price ranges.
Heck...many vehicles have also held prices down over the past 10 years.
I would suggest that the hooker business is in for a huge drop in prices overall. You know this all too well.
What doesn't get posted are the deals that many women across the board offer. The rates they publish are not the fees they get paid.
The internet and TER isn't to blame. It's called its the year 2015. Nothing to figure out. Can you buy a gallon of gas, or milk, a home, a car, hell, even a drink at the bar for the same as 20 years ago? 10? 5? Nope.
Same goes for the ladies of the night I'm afraid
You are wasting brain cells if you try to even remotely rationalize it. So don't. This is one business you can't. We will charge what we charge when we charge it. You either buy it or you don't. It's that simple.
How about you use those brain cells to cure world hunger. That sounds much more beneficial in working towards the future, dont ya think?
xx kisses
I knew you'd debate that one.
I'm sorry what was the question again? Lol
xx kisses
Fuck. Did I really just agree with everything you said in a post?
Who... am I?
Still live the same as 20 years ago lol.
Im talking about people who actually live by today's society. New houses, new cars etc. etc...lol
Of course you both think you'll pay close to nothing for pussy...not surprising lol.
Mi no comprendo lol.
xx kisses
I also didn't discover TER until I had like 6 reviews here, but I digress.
One point that Id like to bring up is that price is very psychological. There are men who do not want to spend below $X because they assume that a product (or girl) is inferior. There are always going to be consumers that go for something because it is expensive. Great for luxury goods and for higher-dollar escorts. I don't see what the problem is with the non-existent price ceiling as long as the lady has enough business to meet her needs and her clients see her as a value.
-- Modified on 2/19/2015 5:26:14 PM
External (market imposed) price ceilings...
You know, the price at which you just shake your head and think wtf was she thinking?
How has the internet changed that
I really like your post. I've been wondering about this too. Plus, you've asked your question in a discreet way. I don't know why people are attacking you. It's a fair question. It's a touchy subject, but it's fair. Thanks for asking. The current price ceiling is high.
I've been around for a long time. Back in the day, lap dances were a dollar, and you could get laid at Mustang Ranch for twenty, with no kissing allowed. Of course, things have changed slightly. Now when you go to the Nevada Ranches, the quote is six hundred for an hour. In one high end area, lap dances bumped up to sixty, but I just noticed, recently, they've now gone back down to forty. Since all are above my price ceiling, I no longer participate in any extra curricular activities there. I still go in for the eye candy, and to test the price ceilings, but I won't take the pleasure leaps anymore. But they must be doing well in those places, because the prices have remained astronomical.
I'm lucky. I live in a market where I have ladies who charge from one hundred up to my price ceiling, and lds are ten per song. But I am near a major city, where prices have skyrocketed like real estate, so I've taken an interest in watching the ladies there. One lady I've been watching used to charge two hundred an hour. She went up to five hundred, back down to three, and is currently sitting at four. Another similar lady has stayed right at five. It's fascinating to watch. I still visit the city, and like to party when I'm there, but it's become increasingly difficult with my ceiling. Ladies, on my interest list, who used to charge one thing, and now charge astronomical, have taken themselves off my list. I recently saw a bbw ad at seven hundred per hour. I just about fell on the floor. A year ago a bbw couldn't charge more than two hundred, two fifty if they were the best. That's all changed. And for me, the huge change happened last summer, not with the advent of internet.
I have to admit, I've accepted freebies, so I don't have a price floor. But I do have a price ceiling. To be honest, and fair, my price ceiling has gone up with the years. I'm above twenty an hour. But it hasn't been able to keep up with the current skyrocket. I've tried to, and had a few parties in the astronomical zone, but I can't stay there. Mathematics keeps getting in the way. Wouldn't you rather have two parties instead of one, especially if the level of performance is the same? So my new mantra is to find hidden gems. I'll still party with my old friends at, or below my ceiling, but I'm on a quest to find a gem or two. Well, yesterday it happened. Oh my f*cking God, at well below my ceiling. What's great is that this happened in the big city, so I'm back in business when I travel there. Hell, like the old days, now I'll invent reasons to travel there. She was incredible. I'm already planning my next adventure with her. And now, since I'm obviously in love , if I go into the astronomical zone, I can stay two+ hours.
Transaction declined
Unfortunately it looks like your attempt to purchase VIP membership has failed due to your card being declined. Good news is that we have several other payment options that you could try.
We thank you for your purchase!
Membership should be activated shortly. You'll receive notification!