Ever think of commerce without morality.....on weeeeeeed?

Posted By: Ridgetucky

Gandhi said that the aforementioned was one of the root causes of violence.  Heard that on NPR.  
   
 And as I was taking a 4 hour trip in my semi-shitty rental car (listening to NPR).  Well not that shitty I mean the guy tried to give me a VW Golf and I said R you fucking crazy!!!!  Then he said well we have an Avalon but it has not been washed yet.  Just give it to me MFer.  
   
 It struck me that (and forgive me for saying/typing).  Seriously you think I want forgiveness mofos.  
   
 That Hobbying/Providing is exactly that.  Commerce without Morality.    
   
 So as you sleep tonight let this seep into your thoughts.  
   
 Do Providers care where your $$$ came from? (Providers - what if it came from some immoral act?)  I don't think most of these gals will lose any sleep.  As they say in the hood "gotta get that money"  
   
 Do Hobbyists care what Providers do with their $$$? (what if she went out to --insert real fucked up act here?--)  
   
 That hour or so of funtime maybe contributing to all (well maybe not all but a lot) of the violence in the world  
   
 Hate to be a Debbie Downer (wah wah)  
   
 But heh, sleep tight, um OK.  
   
 RT Out  
 

So when you buy Dixie Cups for your kid's birthday party, do you worry what the Koch Bros. are doing with the dirty money? Actually, I worry a lot more about that than what the providers are doing with their money (unless they squandering it on Dixie Cups).

But true enough, a lot of Ill-gotten cash is spent directly on P4P rather than laundered into bank accounts before being withdrawn again in Benjies. And P4P often is a way of easing the stress caused by earning money in high-pressure professions, whereas those who earn their money in relatively stress-free vocations probably hobby less and enjoy it and the other joys of life more. My opinion only. I know a lot of hobbyists who have no other motive for pressure cooker wheeling and dealing but to have money for the ladies and maybe booze or--dare I say it--? drugs.

I would guess that most of the hobbyists here garner their earnings in what could be considered immoral enterprise. There is such a thing as an honest fortune, but it's pretty rare.

Don't you think that what causes violence in this country has more to do with the disparity of the few who can afford to get their ashes hauled and the many who can't? That would be my guess.

ave you considered writing to your representatives about Nike shoe or Iphone manufacturing factories in 3rd world counties? Ya know...to voice your 1st world objection to shockingly poor people, working 16 hrs a day, for pennies an hour, so you can have cool shoes and phones?  

How about Walmart? Pretty shitty--those folks.  

Sex work? Hard to get more honest or real than that

What does commerce got to do with morality?

To some morality would do with religion if when they are religious. But to most of us here is doing what's right and or not hurting anybody.
going to work, buying stuff has nothing to do with it. When it's her money it's her money. When it was your money it was your money that you chose to spend it as you saw fit. Just cold dirty cash that might may contribute to the violence of the world. But what? Stores should not open after tomorrow?

Posted By: Ridgetucky

Gandhi said that the aforementioned was one of the root causes of violence.  Heard that on NPR.  
   
 And as I was taking a 4 hour trip in my semi-shitty rental car (listening to NPR).  Well not that shitty I mean the guy tried to give me a VW Golf and I said R you fucking crazy!!!!  Then he said well we have an Avalon but it has not been washed yet.  Just give it to me MFer.  
   
 It struck me that (and forgive me for saying/typing).  Seriously you think I want forgiveness mofos.  
   
 That Hobbying/Providing is exactly that.  Commerce without Morality.    
   
 So as you sleep tonight let this seep into your thoughts.  
   
 Do Providers care where your $$$ came from? (Providers - what if it came from some immoral act?)  I don't think most of these gals will lose any sleep.  As they say in the hood "gotta get that money"  
   
 Do Hobbyists care what Providers do with their $$$? (what if she went out to --insert real fucked up act here?--)  
   
 That hour or so of funtime maybe contributing to all (well maybe not all but a lot) of the violence in the world  
   
 Hate to be a Debbie Downer (wah wah)  
   
 But heh, sleep tight, um OK.  
   
 RT Out  
 

Good lord...

who in the hell wants to bring the negativity to the bedroom? Geez.. you do need to find another hobby. You really think 2 people enjoying this hobby helps create the violence in the world? I am thinking its all the negative ass thinking MFers that does this.

"Cause" means that someone has taken one of those from you and you are retrieving it and/or they are being punished for their actions.

Taking away someone's ability to engage in consensual trade is immoral as it takes their liberty.

Stoning someone for having been raped is immoral as it takes their life; despite a religious which commands their death.  And yeah, the Golden Rule is out of whack in these situations.

Civil asset forfeiture is immoral as it deprives people of property without proof of a crime.  "I know he done something wrong" is not a valid argument.

In commerce, if both parties feel their needs have been met at an agreed upon price, and proper payment has been made for services delivered, then how can an outside party claim it to be an immoral transaction?  That's like claiming someone eating a doughnut is immoral just because you're on a diet.

Hobbying/Providing is moral.

Not just the women Ridge.

Everyone participating is breaking the law.

Many guys here are cheating on their SO.

Girls here know fact certain that they are the "other woman" and would be pissed about the other women with their guy, in most cases.

So that being said, guys and gals should both stay away from the morality play. It is what it is.

Any--and I  mean ANY--transaction between 2 or more  humans  carries with it the possibility that either or both ends of said transaction are benefactors or beneficiaries of some unethical or immoral act. Putting aside the fact that many people would   consider our very presence here to be proof of rampant  immorality, you have to ask yourself whether you  know how anyone can be sure the money exchanged is not  about to be used for ill. Do you have any idea how much of what you paid to gas up the  rental car went to  finance  terrorism? How much of the fees you paid to your bank helped to  offset drug money laundering? And what portion of the  money you paid to your haircutter went to the purchase of  blow?  And let's talk about how those new Nikes supported  factories using child labor.  If you  really want a more  moral world start  voting with your dollars and inform yourself.

Posted By: Ridgetucky

Gandhi said that the aforementioned was one of the root causes of violence.  Heard that on NPR.  
   
 And as I was taking a 4 hour trip in my semi-shitty rental car (listening to NPR).  Well not that shitty I mean the guy tried to give me a VW Golf and I said R you fucking crazy!!!!  Then he said well we have an Avalon but it has not been washed yet.  Just give it to me MFer.  
   
 It struck me that (and forgive me for saying/typing).  Seriously you think I want forgiveness mofos.  
   
 That Hobbying/Providing is exactly that.  Commerce without Morality.    
   
 So as you sleep tonight let this seep into your thoughts.  
   
 Do Providers care where your $$$ came from? (Providers - what if it came from some immoral act?)  I don't think most of these gals will lose any sleep.  As they say in the hood "gotta get that money"  
   
 Do Hobbyists care what Providers do with their $$$? (what if she went out to --insert real fucked up act here?--)  
   
 That hour or so of funtime maybe contributing to all (well maybe not all but a lot) of the violence in the world  
   
 Hate to be a Debbie Downer (wah wah)  
   
 But heh, sleep tight, um OK.  
   
 RT Out  
 

Nothing I do is immoral here according to my sense of morality. And my morality is why I've found it very difficult to enter the mainstream work force for very extended periods of time or invest in mutual funds. I choose to be here because it's the purest source of income I enjoy earning.

Your morality is your own problem.

Posted By: Ridgetucky

Gandhi said that the aforementioned was one of the root causes of violence.  Heard that on NPR.  
   
 And as I was taking a 4 hour trip in my semi-shitty rental car (listening to NPR).  Well not that shitty I mean the guy tried to give me a VW Golf and I said R you fucking crazy!!!!  Then he said well we have an Avalon but it has not been washed yet.  Just give it to me MFer.  
   
 It struck me that (and forgive me for saying/typing).  Seriously you think I want forgiveness mofos.  
   
 That Hobbying/Providing is exactly that.  Commerce without Morality.    
   
 So as you sleep tonight let this seep into your thoughts.  
   
 Do Providers care where your $$$ came from? (Providers - what if it came from some immoral act?)  I don't think most of these gals will lose any sleep.  As they say in the hood "gotta get that money"  
   
 Do Hobbyists care what Providers do with their $$$? (what if she went out to --insert real fucked up act here?--)  
   
 That hour or so of funtime maybe contributing to all (well maybe not all but a lot) of the violence in the world  
   
 Hate to be a Debbie Downer (wah wah)  
   
 But heh, sleep tight, um OK.  
   
 RT Out  
 

No harm, no foul, bro!

It is not a morality issue at all...

it is an ethical question you raise.

Morality has to do with an individual's own internal sense of right and wrong... their individual moral compass. Ethics, on the other hand, has to do with the rules of conduct within a social system - what society says is right and wrong.

I would argue that everyone involved in this little world has judged it moral for themselves, in their particular situation. I surmise it is abundantly clear what our broader society considers ethical (or unethical).

I do not consider sex as immoral. Giving and seeking pleasure with another human being is good/right in my book. I think denying it is immoral.  

As for the ethics... in our society ALL SEX is must be kept private or hidden (whether paid or unpaid) or it is considered unethical. Of course, as the majority of our society violates those ethical rules from time to time, I feel safe in saying those rules are immoral and no longer ethical.  

Back to Ghandi... I believe he was saying that the ethics of commerce no longer reflected the moral beliefs of the society as a whole - that they did not serve the common good. In other words, he was saying that those rules are immoral and no longer ethical.  

Ghandi was a hobbyist.

First we have to all agree on WHOSE morality standard? better yet who appointed him/her/them to be the morality-in-chief, God? POTUS? UN Security Council? the Pope? etc...

Cause as far as I'm concern the only morality I follow is MINE. The rest of the world can stick their idea of morality up theirs for all I care.