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But... "He aint who you think he is"
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You left out the best stuff grasshopper.

1. His name aint Joe its Sam. Joe just sounds better to the stupid, average "Joe".

2. He doenst even make 250.

3. He aint even payin the taxes he ows now. He has a Lien on his house for measly grand.

Mostly likely the whole thing was a put on so he could seem noble and continue to get whatever fine Republican pussy hes tappin' now.

This person puts the "spread the wealth" in the larger context of what Obama was saying to Joe the Plumber. So a statement taken out of context is the basis of the controversy.


Joe the Plumber lied to Barack Obama and received a thoughtful and honest answer to his dishonest question. After a well-considered discussion of the ramifications of his tax plan to Joe’s fictional business situation, Barack asked Joe to think about those who are coming behind him. He asked Joe to consider how much faster he would have been in a position to buy his hypothetical business under Obama’s tax policies.

Near the end of the conversation Barack summed up: "My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. If you’ve got a plumbing business, you’re gonna be better off if you’ve got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you, and right now everybody’s so pinched that business is bad for everybody and I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody."

Out of this entire exchange the McPalin campaign chooses to pull “spread the wealth” out of context. From this slender thread they weave a story of a new mythic American hero; Joe the Plumber, a character to rival Paul Bunyan or Pecos Bill. In the land of tall tales, plumbers make more than a quarter million dollars and a three percent higher tax rate on all that income above the quarter mil will determine whether or not Joe will create jobs. If you don’t believe in Joe, you must be a socialist. The McPalin handlers must think we’re children. What a sorry excuse for a presidential campaign.
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224 DiggsJoe the Plumber? More like Joe the Keating Family Operative
By David Neiwert Thursday Oct 16, 2008 8:59am
I guess it's no wonder John McCain was so happy to use "Joe the Plumber" as a debate prop last night -- he's a partisan Republican who also happens to be a member of McCain's old friends, the Keating family.

From Martin Eisenstadt:

Turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years.

Now I guess we know why Joe is telling the press that Obama is a "socialist" and that the Obama tax plan "infuriated" him. After all, it would hit families like the Keatings and their minions the hardest.

Not to mention that Obama's economic-recovery plan would put the crimps on influence peddlers like McCain's old friends, the Keating Five.

But he sure made for a good one-day story.

[H/t to Mike.]

You left out the best stuff grasshopper.

1. His name aint Joe its Sam. Joe just sounds better to the stupid, average "Joe".

2. He doenst even make 250.

3. He aint even payin the taxes he ows now. He has a Lien on his house for measly grand.

Mostly likely the whole thing was a put on so he could seem noble and continue to get whatever fine Republican pussy hes tappin' now.

McCain is the one who brought Joe into it.

Again,the GOP fails to research thier people thoroughly. I admit all the man did was ask a legitimate relevant question.

And I dont think you'll find anyone in the campaign smearing Joe publicly. Could be wrong on that one. I havent reasearched it.  

9-man1604 reads

Joe the Plumber drew attention to himself through telling A BALD-FACED LIE. (No pun intended on Joe's appearance.) If the press had looked and found that Joe's question was on the up-and-up, (that is he asked it hypothetically instead of inserting himself into the example) he wouldn't have had his ass roasted. If they took one look at him and found that he was on the edge of buying his business, then press attention would have brought him sympathy. It's likely Repubs would have then showered him with investments.

As it is, look at the video, the first thing out of Joe's mouth is a lie.  

McCain didn't do Joe any favors by "using" him in the debate, mentioning him twenty times. The story might have died down quickly, but McCain decided he had to mine this vein.

If all Obama is doing to "spread the wealth" is make the income taxes slightly more progressive while giving a tax cut to most people, then he's a liberal. We once had a 99 percent tax bracket in this country; by comparison, 39 percent is mellow.  

-- Modified on 10/24/2008 6:54:30 PM

he can not even pay his back taxes of $1000.00 or buy auto insurance for $40/month

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/obama-picks-up-first-tribune-democratic-endorsement/


Joe The Plumber....is this his union? United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipe Industry of the United States And Canada? Because if it is.... http://www.ua.org/ua_endorses.asp "On January 9, 2008, the United Association became the first International Union to endorse Senator Barack Obama as its candidate for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States. This endorsement was discussed with the General Executive Board and they concurred."


I wonder if the Joseph Wurzelbacher who spoke to Obama and THIS Joseph Wurzelbacher are the same guy. If so, he's not only a racist, but a liar as well, as THIS Ohio Joseph Wurzelbacher already owns his own construction company. http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_yhcjy


So, let me get this straight. Joe the Plumber lied about his job qualifications, he ALREADY doesn't pay his taxes, and he can't spell his own name? He must be a Republican!

Joe the Plumber has a tax lien on his property for failure to pay income tax from 2007 (I believe). What I can't understand is why Joe is so worried about paying higher taxes when he doesn't bother paying taxes at all....

all i wanna know is this: how can you consider yourself to be 'middle class' if you make over 250,000 a year? would that be upper-upper middle class? or maybe lower upper class? 250k a year is stinking rich as far as i'm concerned.

Do a criminal/civil record search using Wurzelbacher's last name, first initial,for Hamilton County, Ohio, at "http://www.courtclerk.org/cpciv_namesearch.asp". Very interesting...




Joe the Plumber? Doesn't this guy - who may be related to Robert Wurzelbacher (son-in-law of Charles Keating and convicted in Keating Scandal) - own FOUR companies listed in Cincinnati, Oh? R. Wurzelbacher owns one, too. And Joe - who claims to be "just a plumber looking to buy a small business" isn't registered to vote? But he plants himself at a Obama rally to what? Provide a soundbite for John McCain? I'd say John McCain should come clean on this except I doubt he even knows what his campaign has set up for him... or, once again, McCain clearly forgets that ANY INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND. It sure wouldn't be the first time he's been so stupid. McCain = BUSH policies And John, SAYING you know or can fix or aren't something doesn't make it so. YOU ARE A LIAR.

I hope to God this is true: "According to Lucas County, Ohio court records Samuel J. Wurzelbacher lives at xxx. The state of Ohio took out a judgment against him for $1,182.98 in unpaid income taxes on 2007. Samuel J. Wurzelbacher also was involved in divorce proceedings in 2006 (with the Holland address) and previously in 1997, when he had an Arizona address." Documents: http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedockets/DocketDR.aspx?STYPE=1&PAR=DM20065458&STARTDATE=01/01/1900&ENDDATE=01/01/2100&PARTY=0 http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedockets/DocketDR.aspx?STYPE=1&PAR=DR19970476&STARTDATE=01/01/1900&ENDDATE=01/01/2100&PARTY=0 http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedockets/Docket.aspx?STYPE=1&PAR=LN200701803-000&STARTDATE=01/01/1900&ENDDATE=01/01/2100&PARTY=0 JOE IS ALEGEDLY tied into the Keating 5 owns several business http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/16/02217/845/591/632001 NOT REGISTERED TO VOTE!! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/16/04943/642/556/632036



LOL! The story gets even more ridiculous. DailyKos has a post up showing Joe the Plumber might be closely connected to CHARLES KEATING. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/16/02217/845 This is getting funnier by the minute, a guy who is obviously in the tank for McCain, turns out to lay out this nonsense story, he clearly is going to pay less taxes under Obama than McCain, and turns out he isn't even registered to vote, and now turns out he may be closely conntected to Charles Keating, a relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Cincinnati, Ohio, who happens to be Charles Keating's son-in-law and a big Republican donor. They've also found at least 4 companies registered in Joe's name right in Cincinatti dealing in construction, painting, investments, and and repair of septic tanks. Hardly an average Joe.

Joe the Plumber is going to the toilet and taking McCain with him


Senator, Joe the Plumber is going into the toilet and taking you with him.

So, naturally, you have taken the next step — umbrage over Joe the Plumber.

That he approached Obama, lied to Obama's face about a business that wasn't worth what he said it was, that he wasn't about to buy like he said he was, has gotten lost in this barrage of nonsense, Senator.

That you made him some kind of phony every-man symbol for economic savaging of the middle class which Obama wouldn't effect but you in fact would, has gotten wallpapered over, Senator.

You're mad that people have made fun of him, when he didn't ask to be famous. You made him famous! You're mad that people questioned his story, when he didn't ask for people to question his story. You made a story out of his question! You're mad that people have criticized him, when he didn't ask to be criticized.  Senator—these are not attacks on Joe the Plumber!

They're attacks on John the Liar! Not to mention Sarah the Shopaholic and Phil the Economy-Killer; G. Gordon the Domestic Terrorist; Steve the Schmidt-Head; Charlie the Banker; The other Joe the Fact-Checker; Rick the Lobbyist; Randy the Lobbyist; Wayne the Lobbyist; William the Saddam Lobbyist; Vinnie the Chin and, of course, Bob the Builder.

Sen. McCain, I'm pretty sure Sen. Obama is right. He can probably survive two more weeks of personal attacks, but America probably can't survive four more years of government by the Republican Party. However, even more urgent, more pressing. He isn't working for you, and he's driving the rest of us to consider going back to the days of out-houses and wooden aqueducts.

On behalf of a tortured nation, with blood streaming from its collective ears.

Enough with Joe the Plumber already!

—Keith the Anchor
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27351270/

Timbow1515 reads

Damn, I hope MAC can win the look on Kethie'O face would  be priceless . Wonder if he would  cry like a baby like the pussy Paul Belgalia did when Gore lost :)

Olberman is a liar and frankly  a horible partisan anchor

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