That carries some weight...doesn't it?
I see most reviews here just discuss the sex in hotel rooms and such.
But what if you want to show her a really good time? Is it wrong to expect her not to charge me for this?
Also...is it proper for me to order for her? What if I order something she wouldn't like?
the provider has to be "on", and it's not such an easy task, especially with some guys.
I've had the same experience where for business I have to entertain or be entertained by a client/vendor, and if I had a choice, I'd be nestled on my couch with the newspaper or laptop instead even if they do feed me well and ply me with wine.
Why do you feel any compulsion to order for her? That seems a bit odd, especially in this day and age.
There was one gal I used to dine with who always ordered something she didn't like and ended up taking my order instead. So, I got wise and ordered something for her I liked, and ordered for myself something I didn't like. Problem solved.
I would think that would be the last place anyone would take an escort.
Wouldn't she be expecting you to buy her stuff?
I guess if you're into BDSM and are a masochist it might be an enjoyable time out.
I've had the same experience where for business I have to entertain or be entertained by a client/vendor, and if I had a choice, I'd be nestled on my couch with the newspaper or laptop instead even if they do feed me well and ply me with wine.
Why do you feel any compulsion to order for her? That seems a bit odd, especially in this day and age.
There was one gal I used to dine with who always ordered something she didn't like and ended up taking my order instead. So, I got wise and ordered something for her I liked, and ordered for myself something I didn't like. Problem solved.
And anyone who's been married knows exactly what that is.
However in this world I can't understand why any self-respecting guy would seek out that type of transaction.
Unless, as I commented earlier, that he is into the BDSM component of masochism.
I'm starting to get the impression that you think that escorts are not actual women with real feelings or wants.
I've taken one of my ATF's to Soma to buy her fitted bras before; since she had never been fitted for one before and it was a treat for her, and off the clock for me, other than the obvious expenditure. There was nothing masochistic about it (among my other talents, I'm a popular Dom in the BDSM community, and taking a girl that your fucking to the mall does not fall into that realm, close but no.) If you do it right, it can be fun for both of you... think 'Pretty Woman'.
Tip- guys, want to impress a girl that you are involved with, take her to get fitted for bra's, trust me on that one. Its not cheap, but it is worth every penny of her being happy
You expect us to take "TIPS" on how to impress a woman from a guy who calls himself "HotGuy" on a fuckboard for hookers and johns. ROFLMFAO!!!
You and Tiddles should definitely get together, he has too little self esteem, and you have too much. The two of you should be a match made in heaven.
That carries some weight...doesn't it?
You and Tiddles should definitely get together, he has too little self esteem, and you have too much. The two of you should be a match made in heaven.
Take my advice or don't take my advice, it makes no difference to me. Why you assume I would care what your opinion is sir, well is baffling, nay the definition of insanity.
You can make fun of my name all you want, but unfortunately I can't take credit for it; a good friend of mine, who happens to be an escort, coined it. I'll take my self esteem over your idiocy any day of the week and twice on Sunday
sorry, but guys with self-esteem don't refer to themselves as "bona fide hot" and "a treat for the ladies" in their reviews. That's not self-esteem, that's insecurity...a rather large pile of it.
"Tip- I brought my own lambskin condoms which she really appreciated. Not to give too much away, but if your a good looking guy, trust me, bring a lambskin."
Ewwwww
"If you're a good looking guy, trust me, use protection that doesn't protect."
Yeah, I'm sure she really appreciated that. Maybe hotguy should tear himself away from the mirror long enough to read a label.
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I guess he doesn't care that those don't protect against STDs.
SMH...
:-0
Steph
It was only with that one girl, we had discussed it during and there was trust built up; and she did yell at me for putting it in the review.
She forgave you, right?
Now she has every loser on TER trying to see just how far they can push her limits. Yes, quite a guy you are, I don't know how I didn't see all over your qualities up to this point.
But then all the girls probably WANT to go bbfs with such a bonafide hot, good lucking guy and treat for the ladies!
How about this little tidbit?
"Tip- I brought my own lambskin condoms which she really appreciated. Not to give too much away, but if your a good looking guy, trust me, bring a lambskin."
Ewwwww
If seeing a girls (paid and unpaid) eyes light up when she sees me and rips open my shirt is insecurity, I'll take it.
You see, what allot of you guys (and girls) out there forget, not everyone who visits escorts are people who can't get laid by beautiful women in real life. Some of us (as I am by no means the only one) are successful and good looking, whom in the civilian world, women latch onto; and we go this route to avoid that from happening. Or at least when it does, we can walk away easier with less fear of retribution. Being stalked by a woman, while flattering, is not as fun as it seems.
So you guys can criticize me all you want to make yourselves feel superior. But think about this, your on this same exact board, and allot of you from the looks of things, spend all day and night on here, which is really flippin sad.
I actually feel sorry for allot of you, because I know I and guys like me, can walk away from the "hobby" at any given time and still get laid by beautiful women, you all will always have to pay for it.
But maybe if you try civility once in a while, your personalities may not suck so much and pretty girls will talk to you without you needing to pay them to.
But to be so sure that so many here aren't indeed successful is quite naive.
From your posts it sure seems like your self-esteem could use a boost. Your posts speak more of your insecurities and need to tell a bunch of unknown Inet posters just how "hot" you are.
I would say I am saddened for you...but since you are just another in a long line of narcissists here...I won't.
You see, what allot of you guys (and girls) out there forget, not everyone who visits escorts are people who can't get laid by beautiful women in real life. Some of us (as I am by no means the only one) are successful and good looking, whom in the civilian world, women latch onto; and we go this route to avoid that from happening. Or at least when it does, we can walk away easier with less fear of retribution. Being stalked by a woman, while flattering, is not as fun as it seems.
So you guys can criticize me all you want to make yourselves feel superior. But think about this, your on this same exact board, and allot of you from the looks of things, spend all day and night on here, which is really flippin sad.
I actually feel sorry for allot of you, because I know I and guys like me, can walk away from the "hobby" at any given time and still get laid by beautiful women, you all will always have to pay for it.
But maybe if you try civility once in a while, your personalities may not suck so much and pretty girls will talk to you without you needing to pay them to.
So here's some for you: I'm really sorry that you are so insecure that you feel the need to give all us lesser hobbyists "tips" and remind us all that you're "not like the average hobbyist." And I'd agree with you that there are very likely some guys out here that are very easy on the eyes, but you're the only douchenozzle crowing about it. And even if you are as "hot" as you claim to be, I think I have a better idea how most escorts react to your egomania:
Take my advice or don't, does not matter to me.
Believe me or don't, does not matter to me.
If you think your meme posting bears any weight, well I assure you it does not (But thanks for putting the effort in, but I really don't care). I know what the reality is thus I sleep very well at night (although maybe not tonight, or the next few nights, since we are picking up ~our~ girlfriend from the airport in a few hours for a weekend of debauchery; and yes, that is me bragging about my life, and what a good life it is)
In my experience, the guys who describe themselves as "good looking" are 6s at best. As a matter of fact, the last guy who described himself to me as such ended up looking like Uncle Fester with a gym membership. The fact that you put that in a bunch of your reviews and board posts (let alone your TER handle) is cringey as fuck. I'm actually embarrassed for you.
Take thehumanist, for example. I can personally attest to the fact that he's a sexy dude (and I'm not the only one who thinks so). I can guarantee you without even looking that exactly zero of his reviews make any mention of how hot he is or how the mere sight of him turns escorts into babbling nymphos. Do you know why? Because he doesn't need to convince himself of his attractiveness by putting it on the internet.
Besides, you don't know the difference between "your" and "you're," which automatically knocks you down by at least one point on the sexy scale.
You see, what allot of you guys (and girls) out there forget, not everyone who visits escorts are people who can't get laid by beautiful women in real life. Some of us (as I am by no means the only one) are successful and good looking, whom in the civilian world, women latch onto; and we go this route to avoid that from happening. Or at least when it does, we can walk away easier with less fear of retribution. Being stalked by a woman, while flattering, is not as fun as it seems.
So you guys can criticize me all you want to make yourselves feel superior. But think about this, your on this same exact board, and allot of you from the looks of things, spend all day and night on here, which is really flippin sad.
I actually feel sorry for allot of you, because I know I and guys like me, can walk away from the "hobby" at any given time and still get laid by beautiful women, you all will always have to pay for it.
But maybe if you try civility once in a while, your personalities may not suck so much and pretty girls will talk to you without you needing to pay them to.
But if an escort ever turns into a babbling nympho at the mere sight of me I'm taking her to the mall...straight to LensCrafters!
Thought this was a message board and not an exact grammatical science, proof read required, professional board. Typos happen, get over it. For your information, and this is actual proven science, the brain has the capacity to think it sees something in writing that is not there. So if you want to come at me with a silly typo and try to say it has anything to do with my intelligence level?, have at the fools errand.
Look, I know I am not everyone's cup of tea; I'm not gods gift to women (albeit I am an atheist so that is kind of moot). But the facts of my life don't lie, I have zero issues picking up beautiful women in real life with barely trying. Believe me or don't, does not matter to me because I know what the reality is, and since I am the one who has to live my life, what does it matter to any of you how I perceive myself?
Not exactly sure where you got this notion that hot people don't say that they are; I'm sure some do it with more humility than I, or maybe your just not surrounded by enough pretty people to get a large enough sampling (as one person mentioned, yes I am in the "Miami" area, land of the pretty people). But the parties my wife and I go to, its sort of the norm to know where you stand, in fact you kind of have to know. (which, I'm an solid 8, 9 on a good day)
And again, since you missed the explanation of my handle, it (minus the 2014) was coined by a provider and she suggested I use it for the boards. I went with it since I am not about to use any of my real world handles.
Could I have chosen something else?, sure. But in the end, who cares? And the fact that you all can't seem to wrap your heads around the notion that I really don't care what your opinion is and choose to continue to come at me with petty insults, well, frankly does not say much about your own intelligence levels. So choose where to throw the stones wisely.
Civility is either something you have or you don't.
for someone who doesn't care. And it's "fool's errand," singular possessive
Hate to burst your bubble, but none of you are exactly masters of the spoken word; thus throw your stones wisely.
Your confusing not caring from driving the point home of not caring. And honestly, I am still waiting for someone to debate me on my original premise of not treating women like objects and expecting free stuff from paid and unpaid women alike. The same premise that I use in every discussion I have taken part in, where, and surprise, the same 4-5 (whom us in the background call the "Angry Sad Ones"), always come at me with the same sad line "oooh, your screen name is pathetic".
So, maybe, just maybe, you will get it thru your thick skulls that A) I am not going to change it just because you don't like it and B) you will start debating me on things of substance rather then resorting to childish playground taunts and jeers. Those intimidation tactics may work on others, but they don't work on me. Thus figure out a different way to disagree with me or ignore my posts.
take her along to watch you get fitted for a bra!
I guarantee that she will be quite taken.
Here's the deal: I'll answer your question then you answer mine about the ordering in a restaurant. I'm really intrigued by that one.
Yes, I often bring gals to malls. It may be just window shopping, or they might be interested in buying something with their donation, or I might have agreed to buy them something for their birthday, Christmas, etc.
Happy?
Now, fulfill the bargain.
Here's your post again...
I've had the same experience where for business I have to entertain or be entertained by a client/vendor, and if I had a choice, I'd be nestled on my couch with the newspaper or laptop instead even if they do feed me well and ply me with wine.
Why do you feel any compulsion to order for her? That seems a bit odd, especially in this day and age.
There was one gal I used to dine with who always ordered something she didn't like and ended up taking my order instead. So, I got wise and ordered something for her I liked, and ordered for myself something I didn't like. Problem solved.
Why do some call you "fishbro"? I think it's interesting...and perhaps there is a story in there?
I also noted that you offer up legal advice..but then disclaim it. Why do you do that?
I have many more questions for you....you seem like a nice, patient man 
Yes, I often bring gals to malls. It may be just window shopping, or they might be interested in buying something with their donation, or I might have agreed to buy them something for their birthday, Christmas, etc.
Happy?
Now, fulfill the bargain.
and I thank you for clarifying things about ordering for the woman. I think we can agree that such a practice is outmoded at best and patronizing in any case.
When I first started posting, I used to give opinions on the Legal Corner Board as if I were a lawyer when I was not. One esteemed member of that board at the time (My memory fails to recall his handle.) took me to task for this. I agreed with him that I should provide a disclaimer so in my next post I wrote at the end: "not a lawyer". When I wrote the post after that one I wrote: "still not a lawyer", and that's where things have been at ever since.
I might be wrong but I think WickedBrut started the fishbro moniker just a few months ago.
I don't pay it no mind however.
Call me what you will, but just don't call me late for dinner is my motto.
I thank you for your kind words. Ask away.
You have to remember that you are paying for her time, nothing more. Anything else that happens is between 2 consenting adults.
So if you want to take her to dinner, you will be paying for her time, along with paying for dinner.
Now ask yourself this, if you were dating someone and you took them out to dinner, would you 'select' and order for them? Probably not. (I barely do that with my wifes drinks much less her food, and we have been married for 20 years)
You can always ask her what she is getting and offer her suggestions of things you like (I always recommend taking anyone, paid or civi, to someplace that you have been to before where you know the service and food is good). Once you know what she is getting, it is okay for you to order 'what she wants' for her. Albeit this is a little old fashioned and most people like to order for themselves; so I would just let her go first or make it a game "would you like to go first, or I can order it for you". Sometimes it is endearing ordering your partners food because it shows that you have paid attention and listened to them.
But to the original crux, yes you are paying for their time unless they explicitly bring up you not paying or giving you a discounted rate for taking her to a nice meal.
One last tip, if you take her out, expect that she is going to order the most expensive things on the menu. This goes true with both civi and paid, and is a mistake my single friends make all the time; they take a girl out to an expensive restaurant and complain about how much they spent. If you can't afford it, don't take her there.
Good luck
Mr hot guy you just cooled off quite a bit. You know not of which you print. I have never paid the lady for any off the clock time but I have paid for the meal, entrance fee or whatever the outing cost. One exception was when a provider bought me breakfast.
We are not talking about off the clock time.
We were talking about him taking her out to dinner as part of booking her. In that respect, yes, you will be paying for her time.
"I have never paid the lady for any off the clock time but I have paid for the meal, entrance fee or whatever the outing cost."
If your paying an outing cost or entrance fee, guess what?, its not off the clock.
If someone wants to take me to a two hour concert or a two week vacation to the tropics, and they offer to pay for the tickets, but don't want to pay for my TIME, that is the official definition of "off the clock."
That said, I am one of those ladies who doesn't appreciate such offers. I have fairly steep discounts for extended time dates. That concert ticket would not pay my mortgage.
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We were talking about him taking her out to dinner as part of booking her. In that respect, yes, you will be paying for her time.
"I have never paid the lady for any off the clock time but I have paid for the meal, entrance fee or whatever the outing cost."
If your paying an outing cost or entrance fee, guess what?, its not off the clock.
Also, I don't agree with Fish that she has to be "on," by which I assume he means she should be paid for her time. As I've said, when I take a woman to dinner it's usually after a session and is totally impromptu. She goes because she wants to, mainly because she's hungry, has some time to kill and finds my company to be less than loathsome. She dresses however she wants and isn't putting on a show for me or anyone else. It's just two people enjoying some food and good company.
When they arrived she nearly had a fit when she saw them.
It was quite priceless.
I mean, I've watched while gals paid you to take them to dinner, and the gals paid the bill even!
I'm talking about the rest of the world.
It's better just to ask her if she's going to charge you to take her to dinner.
I have my opinions on this topic but I'll keep them to myself.
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before taking her to a fine dining place. Usually you can't go wrong with a nice steak and seafood place. But if she's one of those tofu vegan peeps or god forbid likes snails, I'm at a total loss. And look for a gal who has a dinner package. Those usually are not the same hourly rates as a straight hour by hour gig
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I see one gal with whom I dine after every date. She is a steak house kind of gal and that's where we've mostly gone, but last time I got a hotel which had a highly rated tapas bar just next door so I took her there.
Tapas is not that exotic but she just stared at the plate when the food came out.
Live and learn.
If you want to take her to dinner, then expect to pay her... and no, it is not proper for you to order for her unless she asks you to.
Now that said, you may schedule your playtime such that it is time for a meal afterwards (be it breakfast, lunch or dinner)... and through the course of your time together it is obvious you both (and I stress both) of you would like to share more time together. Then you can offer to treat her to a meal OTC. If she accepts, great, if not, then she's just not as into you as you thought.
It's really not that hard.
I will not let that error of my judgement happen again
If your point is that if you are scheduling a "dinner date" than by all means you should expect to pay for it, as you are "booking her time" then I agree with you completely.
OTOH if it just happens "after" the paid portion of the date, and the two of you decide jointly to enjoy a meal together OTC, that's a different matter completely.
If that's what you are saying, yes I agree completely, and this is something I do all the time. One last point about this type of thing, when the "meter is off" and she is not charging you, there is no reason for her to be "ON" IOW you get the real her, not the fuck doll that you just got done fucking.
and one very last thing, personally I like snails, although I prefer to let a woman do her own ordering.
What you posted was exactly my point... and I agree there is no need for her to be "on". If she's not comfortable enough to let her hair down with me, we probably won't be sharing a meal together.
You painted yourself into a corner there, my friend.
Oopss..guess not
I don't paint either!
Even damaged goods folks have to eat.
You are making progress. lol
I know I wouldn't discuss certain topics with her however.
Best to stick with simple things...most women like it that way.
You wouldn't discuss complex issues with her, because you know she'd filet you and fry you up, flip you, and serve you for dinner on any topic lol.
Don't want a girl who surpasses your intellect. Now that would be embarrassing!
Best to stick with simple things...most women like it that way.
I know when to allow those around me to bloviate.
Especially women
Don't want a girl who surpasses your intellect. Now that would be embarrassing!
Best to stick with simple things...most women like it that way.
I see what you did there, its almost as erotic as a well written review.
Don't want a girl who surpasses your intellect. Now that would be embarrassing!
Best to stick with simple things...most women like it that way.
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I would bet that you care about many in this world.
Perhaps we can discuss the LGBTQ world one day? I would bet you are as passionate about that as you are about life.
I have been told I am a pretty good judge of character. But maybe they were just lying to me. Probably not though..and I didn't pay them either.
This is such a strange world we are in ;
Way to kill the mystery. 
Perhaps we can discuss the LGBTQ world one day? I would bet you are as passionate about that as you are about life.
I have been told I am a pretty good judge of character. But maybe they were just lying to me. Probably not though..and I didn't pay them either.
This is such a strange world we are in
You may need to contact Columbo
Perhaps we can discuss the LGBTQ world one day? I would bet you are as passionate about that as you are about life.
I have been told I am a pretty good judge of character. But maybe they were just lying to me. Probably not though..and I didn't pay them either.
This is such a strange world we are in
Ms. Telford would you say that the poster is vacillating with respect to his point of view on woman in the companionship aspect of the sex industry? Or would you say that he doesn't have a full picture of the social component of those who are practitioners in the hobby?
Seems that you two might even have an affection for each other. Do you do doubles with her?
I have not..nor ever will...kiss ass.
Unless she insists
I only kiss ass if she wants me too
This sounds like a role play scene.
Have you ever done a role play like that?
Now I really shouldn't be putting that I take them to TacoBell, should I?
You know security risk? lol...
I guess, some of us, don't get as many reviews on this, As we should...
However, I had gents try this... Not cool.
Then I find my disappointed in them.. I even went as far as to type this on my website
"Time together Uncompensated:
Please do not assume that since our session is mutually exciting, that you can try to take advantage of my time with out compensation. This has been the case lately, I don't do well with push overs. In order to avoid an uncomfortable moment., for me and, or you. Make sure you keep track of time. Don't have me remind you of the time. It ruins it."
But what if you want to show her a really good time? Is it wrong to expect her not to charge me for this?
Also...is it proper for me to order for her? What if I order something she wouldn't like?
So you aren't a clock watcher but you want the guy to be?
However, I had gents try this... Not cool.
Then I find my disappointed in them.. I even went as far as to type this on my website
"Time together Uncompensated:
Please do not assume that since our session is mutually exciting, that you can try to take advantage of my time with out compensation. This has been the case lately, I don't do well with push overs. In order to avoid an uncomfortable moment., for me and, or you. Make sure you keep track of time. Don't have me remind you of the time. It ruins it."
But what if you want to show her a really good time? Is it wrong to expect her not to charge me for this?
Also...is it proper for me to order for her? What if I order something she wouldn't like?
If you have to ask the question on a fuck board, you are not cut out take an escort anywhere.
So I assume if we go out to dinner, its the same donation per hour.
I've never done a dinner date, but I did have a Vegas show date. She had a 6 hour rate that was less per hour than an a per hour date. She ended up staying 7 hours total, the final hour she asked me if she could stay and hang out, it was not expected.
As far as ordering dinner for her, I'm a chivalrous kind of guy but I've never done that for any grown woman. I of course default to her ordering first as a courtesy because she's a lady and I get her chair, and rise when she leaves and returns to the table. But if she's an adult I feel its insulting to her for me to decide what she wants for dinner. I know that is supposedly the la te da, sophisticated thing to do. So I guess that exposes that I'm not very sophisticated.
In a civvie world unrelated to escorting, would she be caiught dead with you in public setting? The answer is probably no, so while she's being nauseated by your appareance and your dumb jokes the only thing that will get her through dinner is the thought that she's actually getting paid for this. So Bon appetit...
I have read a number of the posts to my OP and it seems that quite a few guys see escorts without paying them at dinners.
I'm sorry that you haven't found this to be your case.
Perhaps hit the gym? Take a comedy class? How about showering more than once a week? I don't mean to be condescending...but your reply seemed to need a wake-up call for you!
You shouldn't even have to be told that, let alone have it explained to you.
If you book two hours and then buy her dinner and/or a drink in the lounge, the review ends at the end of the two-hour session UNLESS you financially reimburse her for her time because you're one of those who want a little arm candy or to show off to everyone with a "Look who I just fucked!" attitude.
As far as ordering for her? If you've ever been on a normal date you might have noticed that the server leaves the menus for your perusal and doesn't return to your table until you close them. While looking over the choices, she can tell you what she wants you to order to her.
One thing that gets in the way with providers is their nom d'etage. If she has booked the hotel room, there's a chance she's used her real name in the lounge and restaurant. You know her only by the name in her ad. Unless you're crass enough to say, "SHE'D like the..." and show general disrespect by not using her name, you're going to blow it. You'll say, "Bambi will have the..." And the server will furrow his/her brow and think, Hmm, she told me her name was Sharon. So...don't order for her. Since what you're after is a chance to show her off, why not let her order for you?
Or just downmarket to the sports bar and ask for a couple of burgers in a paper bag and eat them in the parking lot.
Who wouldn't like to be paid $300 an hour to eat free food?
including to many drive-thrus.
Car died on me with only 120K miles.
Damn Fords.