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I have a tight pussy, I don't get wet (have to be sexually attracted to do that), lube all the way, and I am not letting some guy go digging in my vagina to poke my cervix and you have to be pretty deep to touch it, I know I have a vagina and have had my fingers in one...unless a lady has a very short vag canal or a tipped cervix.  

So on those points alone, I could be a post -op too.

Need some advice on this...

Saw a provider recently. She was outstanding in every way, has many excellent reviews here. Hell, I would probably see her again.  Except for this one tiny little technicality...I'm pretty sure she wasn't born a female. There are clues, which I'm not going to get into here. The reviews don't seem to notice.  There may be backchannel discussion about her that I'm not aware of in her home city.  

I am considering the following:

a) post a review, and discuss why I think she's a remake

b) not post a review (I could care less about the 15 free days)

c) post a review somewhere down the road (where y'all will forget this post happened lol) and change a couple of the details, and not discuss why I think she's a remake.  

I am trying to balance what's ethically correct here. I have zero interest in hurting the lady's business, and apparently the clientele is none the wiser. Where am I at with Post-Ops? I prefer not to see them if I know for a couple of different reasons-generally me and man made vaginas don't get along ergonomically. If you identify as female and I think you're female, that's good enough for me. On the other hand...if you see something that screams at you, are you obliged to report it?  

Since returning to hobbying, I'm a little more diverse in my provider selection. The AMP price points in Vegas are something like $50-$100 higher than SoCal, so, I look for value. I've found great value with some of the milfs/mature gals locally. Just so you know, it's not All Asian All The Times anymore. I'd prefer you don't speculate on who the lady might be, but I'm curious what's right to do. Right now, I'm flipping a coin between (b) and (c).  

Thanks in advance for your help on this.  



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if she's a post-op TS or a genetic girl. You are considering destroying her reputation so you'd better be damn sure. Without more info, I can't tell you what to do. But your OP is woefully lacking.

You only need to know the situation, not the provider.

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I need to know one hell of a lot more about why you thnk she's a post-OP TS masquerading as a GG.  Unless you provide that you have no right to expect more than I've told you.  How complicated it that to understand?

Right.... shes "masquerading" as a girl by having a vagina, boobs, being feminine and providing a great gfe...scandalous! !!!  

Hes just speculating. Chances are its just in his head.  

Number 6 if u had a great time, if shes to your liking and treated you with respect and showed a good time, but you think shes not a genetic girl then just move on. No reason to write a very vague post where you don't specify what branch of medicine you are in that validates the why you think she might not be a genetic female. Heck you don't even mention details about her.

choice A would be best . if you into post op ts than go for it.

(genetic girl) and she in fact is, can you imagine the fall out from your review with your doubts?

IMO this should be addressed another way. Either by asking the lady in question about your feelings on the subject or by asking some of the others that have reviewed her.

Or do nothing. Some here may disagree, but think before you act.

Steph xoxo

My day job, I generally don't put stuff out there if I don't know the answer already. So just assume I'm correct on this.  

No, I am not going to backchannel this. That's not fair to the lady, and messed up IMO.  

Why do you think I'm putting this out there? If this were an easy call, do you think I'd need to post about it?  

And yes, already told her, but like I said, I'd see her again, no problem. She's great. Since I'm still smiling thinking about her, she did her job very well indeed lol.  

And judging from Admin's response, a truthful review probably isn't seeing the light of day anyway.

Yes, you have a bunch of reviews going back years, but you don't post here and your credibility is unknown. If you don't at least describe why you think she's not a GG, you can go pound sand.

And you don't want to back channel, and I understand that. So maybe just sit on it,

I wonder what I'd do. Lacking 'bro consciousness, I'd not really care about alerting the guys. And whether or not she was born with superfluous genitalia, as I see it, she was always a woman. So if I thought my evaluating her was important, I'd write a review that avoided this issue. Hopefully. I hope that would be my reaction. But I'm not in the positin of having had a session with her, as you are, so I cannot truly say what I would actually do.

Like Nick said, I'd want to be more than sure before blowing a whistle. And probably I'd bring the questin directly to Admin instead of posting it in a review. If it was pat, maybe they would ask her to mention that in her profile.

It does matter. Hell, there are guys who won't see a chick with falsies, or with tattoos, or with piercings. So it seems fair that they know she's had the cut.

That kind of assumption could not only ruin a lady's business, it could get her hurt or killed. Don't go there.  

Posted By: Number 6
Need some advice on this...  
   
 Saw a provider recently. She was outstanding in every way, has many excellent reviews here. Hell, I would probably see her again.  Except for this one tiny little technicality...I'm pretty sure she wasn't born a female. There are clues, which I'm not going to get into here. The reviews don't seem to notice.  There may be backchannel discussion about her that I'm not aware of in her home city.  
   
 I am considering the following:  
   
 a) post a review, and discuss why I think she's a remake  
   
 b) not post a review (I could care less about the 15 free days)  
   
 c) post a review somewhere down the road (where y'all will forget this post happened lol) and change a couple of the details, and not discuss why I think she's a remake.  
   
 I am trying to balance what's ethically correct here. I have zero interest in hurting the lady's business, and apparently the clientele is none the wiser. Where am I at with Post-Ops? I prefer not to see them if I know for a couple of different reasons-generally me and man made vaginas don't get along ergonomically. If you identify as female and I think you're female, that's good enough for me. On the other hand...if you see something that screams at you, are you obliged to report it?  
   
 Since returning to hobbying, I'm a little more diverse in my provider selection. The AMP price points in Vegas are something like $50-$100 higher than SoCal, so, I look for value. I've found great value with some of the milfs/mature gals locally. Just so you know, it's not All Asian All The Times anymore. I'd prefer you don't speculate on who the lady might be, but I'm curious what's right to do. Right now, I'm flipping a coin between (b) and (c).  
   
 Thanks in advance for your help on this.  
   
 

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PLUS if he's flipping a coin on b and c WHY post this at all? And if you read my post Tobi, you'll see I said not to write it to handle it another way or doing nothing.

But I'm glad you added that it could put her in danger. And if no one else that has reviewed her has mentioned it, that speaks volumes.

Steph xoxo

I think that by me saying that being a ts... people wouldnt give me as much credit as when it comes from an open minded provider like u tobi. Kiss.

dont use words like remake possible ts, pots, cdallthe way.  

Posted By: Number 6
Need some advice on this...  
   
 Saw a provider recently. She was outstanding in every way, has many excellent reviews here. Hell, I would probably see her again.  Except for this one tiny little technicality...I'm pretty sure she wasn't born a female. There are clues, which I'm not going to get into here. The reviews don't seem to notice.  There may be backchannel discussion about her that I'm not aware of in her home city.  
   
 I am considering the following:  
   
 a) post a review, and discuss why I think she's a remake  
   
 b) not post a review (I could care less about the 15 free days)  
   
 c) post a review somewhere down the road (where y'all will forget this post happened lol) and change a couple of the details, and not discuss why I think she's a remake.  
   
 I am trying to balance what's ethically correct here. I have zero interest in hurting the lady's business, and apparently the clientele is none the wiser. Where am I at with Post-Ops? I prefer not to see them if I know for a couple of different reasons-generally me and man made vaginas don't get along ergonomically. If you identify as female and I think you're female, that's good enough for me. On the other hand...if you see something that screams at you, are you obliged to report it?  
   
 Since returning to hobbying, I'm a little more diverse in my provider selection. The AMP price points in Vegas are something like $50-$100 higher than SoCal, so, I look for value. I've found great value with some of the milfs/mature gals locally. Just so you know, it's not All Asian All The Times anymore. I'd prefer you don't speculate on who the lady might be, but I'm curious what's right to do. Right now, I'm flipping a coin between (b) and (c).  
   
 Thanks in advance for your help on this.  
   
 

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-- Modified on 12/4/2014 2:36:35 AM

then WTF difference does it make? Ask her! Have her DNA tested. Wait and see if YOUR dick tries to crawl up YOUR ass in shame or other "sure fire" methods. I DO think you are going about this in a responsible way though.

APirateLooks@40753 reads

Fairly well reviewed provider too.  Something just seemed off.  The way she spoke, her body (a bit boyish), a scar above the pussy, slightly strange pubic hair, tight pussy, not particularly wet, and during FIV I didn't feel a cervix.   Hmmmm.  The profile did not list her as post op TS.  The whole thing weirded me out enough that I couldn't go a second time and bolted early.  I never wrote a review.  Can't know for certain, and didn't want to cause any unintended harm

I have a tight pussy, I don't get wet (have to be sexually attracted to do that), lube all the way, and I am not letting some guy go digging in my vagina to poke my cervix and you have to be pretty deep to touch it, I know I have a vagina and have had my fingers in one...unless a lady has a very short vag canal or a tipped cervix.  

So on those points alone, I could be a post -op too.

But how was the Greek?

Posted By: APirateLooks@40
Fairly well reviewed provider too.  Something just seemed off.  The way she spoke, her body (a bit boyish), a scar above the pussy, slightly strange pubic hair, tight pussy, not particularly wet, and during FIV I didn't feel a cervix.   Hmmmm.  The profile did not list her as post op TS.  The whole thing weirded me out enough that I couldn't go a second time and bolted early.  I never wrote a review.  Can't know for certain, and didn't want to cause any unintended harm.    
   
 

hotplants681 reads

Except for one tiny little technicality.  

This business is based on women creating a fantasy. And it depends on men believing that fantasy. The idea is for you to suspend disbelief, and enjoy yourself for an hr, or even a week. This works by women employing all manner of tiny ‘technicalities”.  

Her stage name is not her real name. Maybe she isn’t a real blond, or maybe her amazing breasts are augmented, or maybe she’s had a facelift, or has butt implants, maybe she didn’t really have an orgasm (or 5), or maybe she doesn’t really think you’re the most amazing lover she’s ever had, or think you have the most beautiful cock she’s ever seen. Then again maybe she is and she hasn’t or she has and she does or she doesn’t.

These kinds of tiny technicalities are readily accepted as part of the whole “game”—-of course she’s creating an illusion—and most men appear to like it that way. And men are not being ‘duped’. Men want this fantasy. They’re willing to pay good money for it. In fact, generally speaking,  they don’t care who a provider “really is” as long she’s in his price range, she looks like her pics, she didn’t try to up-sell him or kick him out the door early and he had a good time——even better if he had a good time and is thinking about going back.

So, with the myriad of technicalities used by providers every day, why the need for some line in the sand if you think you’ve seen some ‘tell-tale’ sign that her vagina isn’t OEM? Even assuming this is true (and, despite how convinced you are, you could be wrong), if nobody can tell, or maybe they can and they just don’t care, well then…..who cares? She’s just another women creating a convincing fantasy that you, and apparently other guys, enjoy.  

Assuming you *are* correct in that she’s post-op, any (IMO questionably and marginally) ethical “good” you think you might be doing in “warning” people by announcing her status on the Inet, will be completely undone by the harm this could bring to her IRL.  

I’m glad to see you’ve taken (a) off your list. But, since you’ve already brought this up publicly, I recommend (b) vs (c). You only have so long to post the review, and when/if you do  someone WILL remember this post and connect the dots

and did a good job and you enjoyed yourself. Why be rude about it? Don't you feel some people may truly feel they were born in the wrong sex body? I had a friend that had a man made pussy and she was so pretty, My bf at the time was all confused. "I like think, he she I mean, I think she is so attractive is that wrong?" i said cal her a she, not a freakin he she..............that is rude.  
        Guys you have this thing pushed on you by society that your gay if you like you g spot massaged. Your gay if you like a woman who maybe wasn't born as a woman by accident on gods part maybe thier spirit and soul feels it is uncomfortable in own skin and just wants to be happy. So we have the science now to allow folks to change thier sex. What different does it make?  
      If it was a man made pussy and she is now living her life as woman, Can you just be a gentlemen to her and not create drama?  
        Just be cool and write review of her as she is presenting herself as a woman,. Allow her to live her dreams.  
 this is a fantasy for all of us, we should be allowed to create a character and act out that character for you. We should all respect the right to discretion.  
    In the local top 100 and the national top 100 many ts are top rates providers. So apparently there are plenty of guys comfortable in thier own sexuality enough to feel able to enjoy all types of human earthlings we live among, A ts, a man made pussy, a chick with a dick, Who cares isn't the person's vibe and energy and how good they made you feel more important that wether they have a real pussy or man made one? Also if they had a sex change they are not a ts, so they need not advertise that they are technically now a woman and she be accepted as a woman,  
                    I am bi and have been head over heels in love with males and females so getting all wrapped up with what gender a human being is? . I get that guys have this bad stereo type hang up and are still living with homophobia, and like grossed out by ts or sex changes, I think grow up, get over it, treat her like a lady and be discreet about her choices, and give her a polite review of her as she is living her life now as a woman. If a man made pussy and no dick they shouldnt have to mention they used to be or were born a mans body thats not your business.  
                     if you arrive and sense that was the case, and see they have great review and not a single other soul felt the need to divulge this , you couldve been free to say you dont want to do the appt and leave,.  
  I totally usually have this opposing opinion that is like opposite every one elses, but thaT MY VIEW POINT, I LOVE HOT WOMEN WITH MAN MADE PUSSIES.  
 I love butch lesbians that wear timberlands and slick thier hair back and wear cologne. especially if they have big hands and fingerzs.....lol
 I love fems. I love black women puerto rican women, white women and asians .
           and I love both penis and vagina, So I cant relate to feeling the need to snitch out this person no one has been a rat yet , they got thier good reviews, yet your feeling the need to be the town cryer and like blow up thier spot, Can you afford to just walk away and not do this? no one else felt the need to create drama but yet you cant control yourself, I mean you got your moneys worth? why ruin thier business? So many guys are so uptight they probly WILL judge her now and not go if they know she may have been a man oreviously, That detail is for her personal life and friends and shouldnt concern clients, They are free to leave when they arrive if they have an issue but if you pay for a sex change you have a right to live a life as woman in this country
 i just hate the whole reviewers as snitches thing too, No other hobbyist has felt the need to blab they used to be a man and they are currently not a man technically any more, so why go there??????????????????

Whether I agreed or disagreed with you. There are some great thoughts in reply to my questiion. I appreciate the replies greatly.  

There are two competing tensions here. One is the ethics issue, but that's counterbalanced by the provider's personal security. No, I don't want to hurt her business, and no, this is a tough enough business for the ladies as it is, but at the same time, I'm very big on personal integrity. So, understand where I was coming from when I posted this.  

As a couple of you note, (b) and (c) are more or less the same thing. If a review does get posted, chances are you won't have an Eureka! moment :). Moreover, I think it would be rude to speculate.  

I will say this much. I employed a transgirl as a housekeeper in the late 1980s. It was my ex's idea. She was Cuban, and in the US as a refugee, which made matters really complicated for her. She was a great employee, and taught me a lot about tolerance. I also have spent a great deal of time in Thailand, and speak enough Thai to get by (read write too!). As you probably know, transpeople are revered there and has been long accepted. I have accidentally gotten naked with a couple of them (way too good looking!). While the SOA of gender reassignment surgery has dramatically improved over the last 25 years, there are some things even the most skillful of surgeons can't change. At the end of the day, we're all prisoners to our hormones. I'll just leave it at that

Skyfyre599 reads

You mentioned "integrity" here as if there's some sort of deception involved. I totally FAIL to see why after a person has completed the full process to transform physically, emotionally, spiritually as well as legally, that he/she OWES anyone some sort of "disclaimer".  

Since you did not say you're a physician or surgeon your "allegation" will forever be just that, allegation without irrefutable proof and thus reasonable doubts exist until proven otherwise.  

If you go with option A I would believe in all the other reviews and discount your review as just the writing of a weirdo probably with a homophobic hangup of some sort. Apparently whatever "clue" that set you off it wasn't noticed by all the other fellas so why should I believe in the word of one "nobody" vs. the words of many which probably come from at least a few "somebody"?

This seems to be one of those sensitive issues that people claim absolutist Black and White positions on but which should really be nuanced.

I don'y believe in the maximalist position of some that "if she chooses to live her life completely as a woman what business is it of yours, you have no right to "out" her"  

Sex is a very personal thing and we all have our preferences.  If you happen to be uncomfortable with the idea of having sex with a transgendered person, you should have the option of knowing and NOT seeing a particular provider.  Conversely, a transgendered person has a right to privacy and to control her identity.  These two interests are in conflict.  Given the different weight of the interests I think the provider's interest in her actual life outweighs the client's interest in knowing whether she is a transgendered woman or a non-surgically altered woman  (what's the accepted term for distinguishing between natural born women and transgendered women?) for the purposes of a single visit.

Putting aside Admin's statement that this might violate their policy (and I would like to know what policy that is?)  I would advocate that your review not speculate as to whether she is transgendered or not.  If nobody else has commented, it appears she is very "natural" looking.  I do think it would be fair to comment on any significant body mods that affected her appearance and performance, w/o making it obvious that you think she is transgendered.  For example, as with all providers, I think it is fair to comment that you believe she has implants, and/or to say that she didn't respond to your efforts to stimulate her and she needed to lube up, etc.  These are standard things that appear in many reviews of all providers.    

I do think that If she is very obviously a post op, transgendered woman, a provider owes a certain duty of disclosure to not mislead people just like I think all providers owe such a duty.  It is fine to try and look your best in photos, but using 10 year old photos, or photo shop to remove 25 pounds of avoirdupois is also misleading and dishonest.  Likewise claiming to be a natural born woman when 90% of clients will be able to see that you are not strikes me as bad business, dangerous and somewhat dishonest.

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