I don't want to sound judgmental and I am personally not bothered that some guys like TS providers, pre- or post-op. But if you're not a genetic girl, I think guys have the right to know. No doubt this will cost you some business, which may not be fair, but I believe in truth in advertising. Not that there's much in this business anyway, lol!
but you may encounter a guy with a temper and why take the chance , be truthful about yourself not only to you but to others and see what happens . just to post is in a way deceitful and you could get a bad reputation . good luck and remember once its off its not going back on so think long and hard ( pun intended ) .
call rod he'll take you for snails and doesn't mind pe po s personal pooop
Posted By: TS Aleksandra
A very straight forward question.
If a TS girl goes post op, and advertises on any provider listings website in the "female" section. Would you feel deceived if you choose to see her and after seeing her you find out she is not a genetic girl?
Not to mention it is an extremely dangerous practice that could cost you your life. I am not defending the violent reactions that some guys have to this type of thing. I am just pointing out that it exists.
Ask yourself, is this really worth risking your life for?
As for me, I make my own choices about who I see, and I would be very unhappy to have certain choices "made for me" via a deceitful hooker. I would not be violent about it, but I would be very upset.
Sorry if I sound like a homophobe, but a post op "TS girl" is still not a "real" woman to most straight guys. I walk if a woman is ten years older or twenty pounds heavier than advertised, I damn sure would walk if her vagina was "man made".
You asked.
about your sexual identity. If you do advertise in regular female section, you make sure that your dates have heard loud and clear of who you really are. There are lot of new people in this world, who may not catch on the industry lingo. There could be issues with people not paying enough attention and making error. How many times we hear of stories where people end up at wrong hotel or in a hurry short change a lady... You don't want to be in a room with someone who hates you for being the third gender.
I personally will not feel deceived, as long as the words TS are there in your post, but I can't speak of other guys.
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The warning that BIB and GaG gave about getting the wrong client is real and I want to first echo that caution.
Now, about the deception issue. Yes, I would feel deceived. Not because I'd feel you'd told an untruth, but that you didn't tell the whole truth. I would want to know that the woman I am considering seeing was born with a man's body. That you once was viewed and assumed to be male and that surgery was required to rectify the natter probably looks to you like a totally personal matter. If you were a lawyer or a factory worker, it would be a private matter and no business at all for your clients or employers to be in the know about. The field you've chosen is another matter.
Because the encounter involves more than the physical service, because it elicits an emotional response, and because each client chooses to rendezvous with a woman they have carefully selected, IMO, you owe the client that much of an understanding as to who you are as a woman.
Now, if I only discovered this when reading the "About Me" page on your personal website, that would be a different matter. I probably would decide that this was not the type of erotic experience I want, but I would feel that I had learned an important aspect of who you are.
Good luck, doll.
(You guys know I love you, but you also know how pissed I get over some of the ignorance here when it comes to gender identity and trans* issues.)
You may want to speak with some providers who have been through transitioning and how that affected them job-wise. Also, as Curly mentioned, trans* providers are at greater risk of violence (statistically speaking, of course) whether pre-op or post-op. I would also recommend that you seek out a transition counselor whom is also sex worker friendly. SWOP may be able to offer some resources on that, along with Scarlett Alliance.
Furthermore, I just wanna say that I always enjoy seeing you post here. You're a badass chick and I really admire your strength!
None of them were insulting or rude, and all were intended to be helpful. I have often disagreed with GaG on the whole "anyone who sucks a TS dick is gay" thing, but that's not where he or any of the others went this time. Everyone was direct, honest and respectful. So far, at least.
see girls like you just look so hot and ive always dated girls like you who look so hot and I love girls like you who are so hot now if you were a fugly maybe my opinion would be different however you are not a fugly and because of this I am only attracted to females so its really all your fault . but I forgive you and lets kiss and make up
When a post op girl would still make him "feel gay"... There's really no reasoning with a person like that. So I decided to not even answer. I appreciated the honesty tho.
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where he said "it felt like a dude " . ummm kinda what I said just different words , yes if I was dupped and with you I would feel as if I was in a gay situation and that's my opinion am I entitled to one ? actually I now do believe your a girl because you sure do whine like 1 .
best of luck to you , please be safe and have a nice thanksgiving.
Posted By: TS Aleksandra
When a post of girl would still make him "feel gay"... There's really no reasoning with a person like that. So I decided to not even answer. I appreciated the honesty tho.
Is it possible... And please think before answering... That the post op girl who other than not being able to have babies... Has nothing to do with ur homophobia? For all u know you probably already saw a post op ts who never bothered telling u and u probably had a great time. Now that's something to make you think about.
a girl from a guy its not hard a dick is a dick .. something for you to think about .
Posted By: TS Aleksandra
Is it possible... And please think before answering... That the post op girl who other than not being able to have babies... Has nothing to do with ur homophobia? For all u know you probably already saw a post op ts who never bothered telling u and u probably had a great time. Now that's something to make you think about.
the op now pre op wants to go post op and is asking what if she ( post op ) doesn't tell . we are just stating how we feel and I don't think I was rude in anyway just stating how I felt and what could happen so we are a poll of men whom the op now pre op I assume may encounter when he fully becomes a she post op . and I still recommend rod take her out to celebrate he does toot his mighty horn with open mindedness towards all . and while I have your attention which I hope I do you look amazing in some of your photos id let you have me and id love it . have a nice night tobi
Posted By: Tobi Telford
(You guys know I love you, but you also know how pissed I get over some of the ignorance here when it comes to gender identity and trans* issues.)
You may want to speak with some providers who have been through transitioning and how that affected them job-wise. Also, as Curly mentioned, trans* providers are at greater risk of violence (statistically speaking, of course) whether pre-op or post-op. I would also recommend that you seek out a transition counselor whom is also sex worker friendly. SWOP may be able to offer some resources on that, along with Scarlett Alliance.
Furthermore, I just wanna say that I always enjoy seeing you post here. You're a badass chick and I really admire your strength!
The OP is just as much of a woman as I am. By both implying that she's a gay man as well as implying that you'd feel the need to slough off your skin if you "felt gay" is just really insensitive. I've seen the things that many of my trans* friends and family members have had to go through, and all of it is solely the result of ignorance and bigotry. I'm not saying you have to fuck her. I'm just saying that it never hurts to take some time to learn about each other's differences and to grow from that knowledge.
but the main point was safety and some men would or will get very mad so why take the chance . the op and I do give credit to her for coming here and asking politely will get honest replies and I hope the op thinks about all the answers and that's what this board is for . not to be politically correct but to give opinions and I think its fair to say we can agree to disagree sometimes but I really didn't say anything that isn't possible . oh refer to bachelor party movie , tom hanks the little dude taking a shower after finding he was with a guy , yes im that handsome fellow .. lol
Posted By: Tobi Telford
The OP is just as much of a woman as I am. By both implying that she's a gay man as well as implying that you'd feel the need to slough off your skin if you "felt gay" is just really insensitive. I've seen the things that many of my trans* friends and family members have had to go through, and all of it is solely the result of ignorance and bigotry. I'm not saying you have to fuck her. I'm just saying that it never hurts to take some time to learn about each other's differences and to grow from that knowledge.
Actually, safety has nothing to do with it. TS people are no more likely to carry STDs than anyone else, and actually less than some.
punching the now girl . lol never thought about disease at all .
Posted By: inicky46
Actually, safety has nothing to do with it. TS people are no more likely to carry STDs than anyone else, and actually less than some.
the way you wrote it left it open to multiple interpretations. And lots of people do have the mis-perception I addressed.
up here as a major factor for some women who wont see guys who see ts girls .. am I correct ? and if I am some ladies aren't so pc either ... yes I think im correct..
Posted By: inicky46
the way you wrote it left it open to multiple interpretations. And lots of people do have the mis-perception I addressed.
It's ok to refer to me as "she " or "her". Trust me. Ur tongue is not gonna fall off. When u refer to me repeatedly as "the op" ... U might as call just say "it" instead.... It's easier to type I guess. 
I know. But I think it's obvious he was just avoiding using a personal pronoun.
if I meant something , trust me im not shy ..lol lol and im not gay either
Posted By: TS Aleksandra
I know. But I think it's obvious he was just avoiding using a personal pronoun.
Hi Tobi. Thanks for the support. The original question was because us girls who aren't necessarily genetic, once going post op there's really nothing male about us at that point so; therefore we may feel like it's natural to post and ad where genetic girls post theirs. At least that's how I would feel. But since this is a two way street I wanted to ask how guys would feel about it.
While in my personal opinion I believe there's no deception. I also know there some homophobic person could hurt me if I can't provide them a Brillo pad to scrub off after being with me... Right back in black? LoL.
Anyways. Just trying to ask meaningful questions in hopes to open some minds around here 
ah...ok. Seriously.
Nicely said. I think it's difficult for people to wrap their head around the idea that gender identity is determined by our brains, not our genitals. Even being queer, I had to give this one some serious thought and really question my own internalized assumptions and beliefs. That seems like a million yrs ago now. But, I have a feeling I would be horrified, today, by any number of things I probably would have said 20-30 yrs ago----having absolutely no intention of being insulting.
Evolution is slow change.
And, I have a feeling this thread could deteriorate yet....again....as they always seem to do.......sig
it would be deceptive and not lead to a good result for either you or your clients.
In my own case, I met a PO gal after we had established a very good rapport on line. When it came time to get physical however, my body just couldn't do it. The chemistry I was getting was like it was still a guy, not a gal. I felt very bad about it, and the gal was extremely gracious about it and offered to refund my money, but I demurred.
But since then I know better than to meet up with a PO gal, and I think most POs know this fact and therefore are up front about it.
By the way, I share Tobi's views on you personally, and wish you success.
First of all, if I respond to your girl ad, you "are girl enough" then and later.
Second, I am here to f..k you, not make babies.
So, tell me again - where is the deceit?
A middle ground response? I appreciate the permission, and will proceed.
Some times we should do what we feel is the right thing - what our gut tells us - and reap the rewards and consequences. As long as we know we did what was right in our heart, we can be at peace. If later we learn we should have done differently, there's always the option to change. This is a journey with a lot of moving parts, and a lot of people with different belief systems. And we can't do it all perfectly all the time.
First of all, I feel not owing information to anyone but YOU is most important. From my very minimal knowledge of TS and transgender, you go through operations to identify with the sex you are, right? It's, in that case, corrective surgery. That belief to me, would mean you are telling people by NOT being in the female section that you are male, and in your heart you are not male.
So though others may have a completely opposite belief, I'm wondering if you feel as though NOT advertising as female is a lie, because YOU know who YOU are. And the 'corrective surgery' is you becoming who you feel you are.
If this is true, why would you want to disregard your own morals and convictions just so others feel they want to believe you are something you in your heart know you aren't...
If the question is whether or not it would be profitable for you to advertise in the female section because you will be telling them, thus possibly wasting time and money by people who change their minds, that's another story. So I guess I'm wondering if you're asking from a moral standpoint, or from an efficiency in advertising standpoint/
Shit, I have trouble knowing whether I should advertise as 34D or 36C, because I am both lol.
I think I'm asking more from a moral perspective. Because there's the way I feel about myself. And of course while I wouldn't tell anyone about my past. I also do not lie about it. So if the question pops up. I wouldn't lie about you. In a business full of deceit. I try to be as honest as possible. And of course I also i don't wanna jeopardize my physical health by meeting a homophobic person
Kind of like a picking your battles type of thing for your own safety and well being.
From an efficiency standpoint, I would think it wouldn't be wise if it's noticeable. From a moral standpoint, I think it'll really take thought. There's also the greater of the two things that are important... And your physical well being is definitely most important.
Lots of hateful people out there, unfortunately.
Have you tried talking with other well reviewed p, successful TS ladies on TER? They may be able to talk it through with you as well. You being in the same market, as well as similar situations would be good, I think. No worrying about stepping on toes because the full understanding, plus experience, may be pretty fruitful?
homosexual encounter , exactly ..! thanks turkey
Posted By: TS Aleksandra
I think I'm asking more from a moral perspective. Because there's the way I feel about myself. And of course while I wouldn't tell anyone about my past. I also do not lie about it. So if the question pops up. I wouldn't lie about you. In a business full of deceit. I try to be as honest as possible. And of course I also i don't wanna jeopardize my physical health by meeting a homophobic person.
A homophobic person who doesn't acknlowedge the fact that I am a girl (if not genetic) will not sit to reason with me. So you would first need to comprehend that if you're homophobic... It really doesn't matter how I see myself. But how you perceive me as. I guess this is as clear as I can be.
trapped inside you and now your a woman . happy ! omg take some midol and relax okay
Posted By: TS Aleksandra
A homophobic person who doesn't acknlowedge the fact that I am a girl (if not genetic) will not sit to reason with me. So you would first need to comprehend that if you're homophobic... It really doesn't matter how I see myself. But how you perceive me as. I guess this is as clear as I can be.
Guys.... Is this drunken Asian using an alias? LoL. I miss u drunken asian. 
Apparently I'm really a girl who thinks that can teach a homophobic dude this is not 1950 anymore. :-P
I understand that you're coming from a place in which you're so uninformed that you don't realize how ignunt' you're being. But.....unless you're actually intending to be a complete ass? Please try listening more and spouting off less.
im just having some fun ..xo xo happy thanksgiving to you and all the best ..
Posted By: hotplants
I understand that you're coming from a place in which you're so uninformed that you don't realize how ignunt' you're being. But.....unless you're actually intending to be a complete ass? Please try listening more and spouting off less.
I can totally see bib asking girls now.... "And for the record... Ure not post op right" lol. So funny.
you will " respect my authority " that's so funny . not what you said .
Posted By: TS Aleksandra
I can totally see bib asking girls now.... "And for the record... Ure not post op right" lol. So funny.
Omg thanks ova. I thought it was clear... apparently not enough.
He just wants to play around on here. A lot of people will only take time to go so deep in thought or comprehending what someone says, so they'll take it out of context. Such is life in general. But some do get the concept of not interrupting. I think BIB was reading and interrupted his own reading to respond lol,
OMG , teach em and lose em ..
Posted By: TS Aleksandra
Omg thanks ova. I thought it was clear... apparently not enough.
What's past is passed. I only care about the current plumbing and if it's up to date, no problemo.
Just be aware that you will be judged according to normal criteria of a GG!
Yay
I know it is a SAD FACT that this country is spiritually cavemen-mentality when it comes to the subject of sex. We ranked just above the Muslim countries and that's about it -everybody else is light years ahead.
The way I see it the operation is but the final finishing touch. All along you must have been taking hormone treatment PLUS mentally and spiritually you WERE becoming a girl.
However for your safety I agree with some of the advices that you might want to let guys know that you're "post-op". An progressive open-minded like myself is unfortunately still rather scarce in this country.
"We ranked just above Muslim countries." Let me know when we throw gay folk in prison much less stone them to death. Drama much?
My good friend had reassignment surgery in Thailand a few months ago. Before that surgery, she had already had a legal name changed and was recognized as female on all documents and on her DL. She still identifies as being Transgender but I think that it would really be up to you at this point. The issue with my friend was she felt that fetishised as a TGirl rather than GG and didn't like feeling that someone liked her for her "equipment" & that was the reason for surgery. Remember you are in the business for not only the client but yourself first and foremost. If you decide to advertise as pre op or post op you're still going to have clients thst love and can't get enough of you. This is about you and what you want for your business, so forget what anyone else thinks. Being yourself will always prove to be a sucess. I wish you lots of love and luck in whatever decison you make. Xoxo
