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Ho Litmus Test: ho4pay vs bonafide ho?
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It's been a few months since I've been hobbying and made friends with a couple of escorts. On a nice evening, the 3 of us decided to get together in the big apple. After a couple of drinks, her friend told me that ever since she got a taste of getting paid big bucks for spreading her legs and giving access to her roast beef, she has been losing interest going back to normal dating. Specifically.. even when she's dating guys in real life, she finds herself expecting to get something of value, whether it be a few hundred cash, or gifts, Just ANYTHING of value before she'd sleep with him. If he doesn't take care of her with something, she says she feels unrequited to the point of cutting their date short. The irony to all this is that she thinks of herself as just another girl next door who has never thought of getting paid for sex. As well, she claims to have the same dreams as any other girl, to find true love, to settle down, raise kids. I'm sure she was daddy's little girl before but when I heard the part about her expecting compensation or gift of value before giving up sex... even on real dates, I almost felt like telling her "Maybe the reason is because you've officially become a bona fide prostitute?". Regardless of what she pictured herself as before, by definition she has been conditioned to be a ho and treat her man like a ho even on real dates. Of course, I didn't say this to her but I'm sure other guys would think the same. Could it be that most women in this business become "whorrified" and "whorrific" like this to the point where it starts to affects their civvie dating to some extent? I can see how women can become "institutionalized" into the business and end up feeling shorted whenever they don't get paid after giving up bootie, but to what extent does the instituitionalization affect the ladies here? Maybe it's like that dog conditioning psychology thing where you give a dog a bone and ringing a bell at the same time and do this a dozen times to condition the dog, the dog starts salvating every time he hears the bell even when there's no food. Thoughts?

-- Modified on 11/13/2014 11:27:03 PM

And that's about all it's changed for me. You can't even pay me enough to treat me poorly, lol!

That's one thing I really appreciate about having done this. It has taught me not to value money or things, but the actual time you spend with someone. Nothing makes up for a person that just doesn't do it for you. You can be compensated, sure, but it's not the same as being glad you were there.  

I think I am a better partner because of this too. You see and hear a lot doing this, and it's not always what you expected. If anything, I give more in all my relationships now, and it's not out of guilt. It's because if I'm spending time with you, it means you are important to me. I want you there and I want you to know it, whoever you may be. Life is more fun that way :-)

-- Modified on 11/14/2014 12:11:09 AM

I've known of quiet a few sugar babies who no longer can engage in traditional dating, because they get accustomed to the "indulgent" lifestyle. Also, what about strippers? You are spreading this blanket only over the sex providers whereas it is much wider than just the confines of the "hobby". If a "ho" as you put it, manages to get out of this business, internalize and compartmentalize her experiences and providing lifestyle, I am sure that she can embark upon this: "the same dreams as any other girl, to find true love, to settle down, raise kids." Women are generally better at it than men!

By the same token, as guys do we not always expect something "of value" in return for time and the money which we spend on our dates IRL? It is a supply and demand cycle and our gender is the enabler and the demander which means that the supplier has a commodity and a service of value.

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On normal dates, girls who haven't become whorrified won't expect to get compensated with "something" every time they have sex. They give up their tang in exchange for mutual companionship, romance, and all that normal stuff that normal people do in normal relationships. At least according to the escort I was talking to, it seems to me that "institutionalized" sex workers become too accustomed to equating monetary value to their roast beef and therefore expect to receive something every time they give up their bootie

And my point was that expecting something of value in return for the "privilege" of dating is just not limited to "institutionalized" sex-workers. Of course I fish in different waters as opposed to when I was in my 20's or the 30's via a vis RL dating, so in exchange the potential partner is looking for social prestige, economic status and security in return for the "tang" as you put it, but my personal experience has been that the SB's, the stripper types or the I-am-too-pretty-to-work crowd generally view dating an older man as a transaction of sort. I maintain that you are painting the sex-providers with a broad brush. If you are ever in LA and go to the plush 5 star hotels during HH, you will see the so-called normal civilian girls who make a hooker blush and are much more adept at playing that game. The P4P is a much more vast continuum than just this thing people call the Hobby!

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